2014 NFL Regular Season, Week 2

[Abe Sargent]

I don't know if I could ever root harder than for my own personal team, the Jaguars, to SMASH those Redskins, my least favorite team in the league. ;)

[BillJasper]

Miami gets crushed by Buffalo. Following the trend of most of the last decade: up a week, down a week.

[Vince, Pt. II]

So in my most serious Fantasy Football League we only get a limited number of adds all season long. Designed to punish people who pick up 'flavor of the week' kind of guys. That being said, it's a keeper league that I entered late, and the team has been pretty weak. I could use a boom type pickup. The following guys of note are available:

WR Allen Hurns
WR Steve Smith
WR Kelvin Benjamin

I'm tempted to get Benjamin because I love his upside. Players I could drop:

WR Justin Hunter
WR Reggie Wayne
RB Carlos Hyde
RB Ben Tate

I'm leery that Tate won't have a job when he comes back, but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up on him just yet. Hyde and Hunter have great upside, so I'm not keen on dropping either of them. Reggie Wayne...is old. But he should be a solid receiving option. So I don't know if it's worth it to take a flier on Benjamin or either of the other WR's on the board. My starters are Crabtree and Roddy White.

[Julio Riddols]

Grab Benjamin, Drop Tate. Hurns is a good pickup too, but I think Benjamin is a larger part of his teams offensive game plan and I think he has a better QB throwing his way at this point.

Gotta keep Hyde around though. He looks like a stud for the future. He would make a strong keeper.

[Lathum]

Grab Benjamin, Drop Tate. Hurns is a good pickup too, but I think Benjamin is a larger part of his teams offensive game plan and I think he has a better QB throwing his way at this point.

Gotta keep Hyde around though. He looks like a stud for the future. He would make a strong keeper.

+1

[Izulde]

Grab Benjamin, Drop Tate. Hurns is a good pickup too, but I think Benjamin is a larger part of his teams offensive game plan and I think he has a better QB throwing his way at this point.

Gotta keep Hyde around though. He looks like a stud for the future. He would make a strong keeper.

+2

[Butter]

+6

[mrtourette]

+7

[Lathum]

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones accused of sex assault - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/us-jerry-jones-sex-assault-allegation/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)


smells like BS to me.

[SteveMax58]

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones accused of sex assault - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/us-jerry-jones-sex-assault-allegation/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)


smells like BS to me.
Unless its Manziel filing this I don't buy it for a second.

[Jas_lov]

Tonight's Crime Bowl game is just what the NFL needs to get past this Ray Rice fiasco. Goodell needs to resign immediately.

The Packers should rebound vs NYJ in a rout. Jets offense can't score with GB. Pack should win the division easily. Bears looking at an 0-2 start.

[Logan]

Tonight's Crime Bowl game is just what the NFL needs to get past this Ray Rice fiasco. Goodell needs to resign immediately.

The Packers should rebound vs NYJ in a rout. Jets offense can't score with GB. Pack should win the division easily. Bears looking at an 0-2 start.

I haven't looked at the latest injury report, but the Niners secondary got real banged up during Week 1 and that would pose a problem against Marshall/Jeffrey/Bennett. I realize they're hurt too, but I would take those guys at less than 100% over the Niners. Although I'm guessing primetime and the opening of the stadium will give the team a bit of a bump.

[Lathum]

Pack should win the division easily.

Lions will give them a run

[Coffee Warlord]

Lot of flex options for me this week.

Lamar Miller
Justin Hunter
Terrance Williams

Hunter is going up against Dallas's, ahem, stellar defense. Miller is always hit or miss, and Dallas is always going to throw a lot, so Williams is a thing.

[henry296]

Lot of flex options for me this week.

Lamar Miller
Justin Hunter
Terrance Williams

Hunter is going up against Dallas's, ahem, stellar defense. Miller is always hit or miss, and Dallas's Williams is always going to throw a lot.

I've got similar options but Sproles instead of Miller. I'm going with Sproles, but it is only 1/2 pt PPR. I'd probably go with Williams over Hunter.

[Abe Sargent]

Grab Benjamin, Drop Tate. Hurns is a good pickup too, but I think Benjamin is a larger part of his teams offensive game plan and I think he has a better QB throwing his way at this point.

Gotta keep Hyde around though. He looks like a stud for the future. He would make a strong keeper.

Why I like Hurns:


Cecil Shorts is injured, and of the three rookie WRs on the Jags roster, he's the one who played in OC's system for two years in college, and should make the smoothest transition.


Why I don't like him:

Rookie receivers who have a breakout game early on often are an important part of preparation the next week. The Eagles may not have known who Hurns was, but Washington certainly will.


My quick few cents as a jags fan who follows this stuff closely. GO JAGS

[BillJasper]

Is it already time for week 2 to kickoff? I miss the old days of football at 1pm and 4pm on Sunday, Monday Night Football at 9pm and the occasional Thursday/Saturday game (those seemed special).

I guess when you start complaining about the good old days, you are officially old.

[Jas_lov]

It was a big hit but he hit Big Ben in the chest, not the head or the knees. Didn't like that roughing the passer call on the first drive.

[Julio Riddols]

Damn these concussions.... I hope Brown gets back out there.

[EagleFan]

Pack should win the division easily.

They certainly looked like a team destined to "win their division easily" last week when they were bent over servicing the Seahawks.

I would think the Lions would have the inside track on winning the division easily.

[EagleFan]

It was a big hit but he hit Big Ben in the chest, not the head or the knees. Didn't like that roughing the passer call on the first drive.

He led with the crown of his helmet, textbook call.

[EagleFan]

Is it already time for week 2 to kickoff? I miss the old days of football at 1pm and 4pm on Sunday, Monday Night Football at 9pm and the occasional Thursday/Saturday game (those seemed special).

I guess when you start complaining about the good old days, you are officially old.

I agree completely. Leave Thursday for college. Thanksgiving games should be the extent of Thursday football but the almighty dollar wins this argument. Though the Thursday games are generally sloppy because both teams are tired which also exposes them to a higher chance of injury.

[JPhillips]

Why wasn't Bell flagged for a personal foul there? He had clearly stepped out of bounds before pushing his hand into the facemask of the defender. If a defender does the same thing it would be an obvious foul.

[JPhillips]

Gilbert's getting abused by Dumervil.

[EagleFan]

Gilbert's getting abused by Dumervil.

Not the first time someone's been abused by a Raven...

[EagleFan]

That was a penalty?

[EagleFan]

I'll ask again on that one too... that was a penalty?

[Bigsmooth]

What a garbage call.

[bhlloy]

Brilliant play calling - have your QB take two hits on a dive for a touchdown you absolutely don't need. Real lucky he's not dealing with a concussion on that last hit

[BishopMVP]

Adrian Peterson might not play this week... I actually don't think he should be suspended based on the initial reports (he's charged with child abuse due to disciplining his son with a switch), but given everything else going on right now the Vikings might have to for PR reasons.

[ISiddiqui]

ESPN article:

Adrian Peterson of Minnesota Vikings indicted in child case - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11514522/adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings-indicted-child-case)

Minnesota Vikings star running back Adrian Peterson has been indicted by a Montgomery County, Texas, grand jury on charges of reckless or negligent injury to a child, according to multiple media reports.

The Montgomery County District Attorney's office told ESPN that Peterson has not been arrested.

Last October, Peterson's 2-year-old son died in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, after being allegedly assaulted by a man who was dating the boy's mother. Peterson learned only two months earlier that he was the boy's father. The man who assaulted the boy, Joseph Robert Patterson, was charged with murder and manslaughter.

[bhlloy]

What the fucking fuck. My initial thought is unless the child was seriously hurt this is some DA grandstanding but what the hell is going on with the NFL?

[molson]

Sounds like it involves some physical discipline causing an injury

Report: Adrian Peterson indicted on charges of injury to a child | FOX Sports (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/adrian-peterson-indicted-reckless-negligent-injury-to-a-child-091214)

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/510555442615828480

These are always tricky. You have a constitutional right to discipline your kid, including physically, as long as the discipline is reasonable. And that's a real grey line, and varies by part of the country.

[molson]

And here's a photo from the police report:

WCCO - CBS Minnesota on Twitter: "Adrian Peterson indicted; photos from copy of police report show alleged child abuse. | http://t.co/u2XdDDcuw8 http://t.co/FqRtMWrhBP" (https://twitter.com/wcco/status/510546435809345536)

Seems a bit much, especially for a 4-year old, but we this wouldn't be a thing at all not too long ago. But still, I doubt anyone here would do this to their kids. Not that that's the standard for criminality.

[Julio Riddols]

I guess Jerrick McKinnon is going to get a shot at carrying the load. Interesting.

[miami_fan]

What the fucking fuck. My initial thought is unless the child was seriously hurt this is some DA grandstanding but what the hell is going on with the NFL?

STATE PROFILING AHEAD! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Texas does not strike me as a state where a DA gets any benefit from bringing charges against a parent just for simply "disciplining" their child with a switch.

I am thinking there is more there there.

[BillJasper]

And here's a photo from the police report:

WCCO - CBS Minnesota on Twitter: "Adrian Peterson indicted; photos from copy of police report show alleged child abuse. | http://t.co/u2XdDDcuw8 http://t.co/FqRtMWrhBP" (https://twitter.com/wcco/status/510546435809345536)

Seems a bit much, especially for a 4-year old, but we this wouldn't be a thing at all not too long ago. But still, I doubt anyone here would do this to their kids. Not that that's the standard for criminality.

It seems way overboard. If it takes that for a grown man to control a four-year old, what is it going to take when the kid is eight or twelve? Coming from abuse, I have no tolerance for parents who take out their frustrations on their kids. And I have spanked my kids before.

[cartman]

Hypothetical fantasy football team owner on Tuesday: "Welp, I guess I'll need to find another RB besides Ray Rice to backup Peterson"

Hypothetical fantasy football team owner today: "Fuck"

[molson]

If the police knew about it, then the kid was either brought in for medical attention, or someone else close to AP was concerned enough to call it in.

The lawyer quote ("he never intended to harm his son and deeply regrets the unintentional injury") seems to admit that this wasn't just regular discipline, but that something bad happened as a result.

[Jas_lov]

AP deactivated but Greg Hardy still playing. And Jerry Richardson is a fraud. Crying through that speech saying he wasn't indifferent all the while Hardy is practicing and suiting up on Sunday. They should deactivate him like the Vikings did with AP. Richardson and Goodell should resign.

[Julio Riddols]

Although I must admit, I'm not of the opinion Peterson did anything wrong here. I received a belt as a child and I would like to think it helped remind me who was in charge a lot better than time out ever could.

[rowech]

Although I must admit, I'm not of the opinion Peterson did anything wrong here. I received a belt as a child and I would like to think it helped remind me who was in charge a lot better than time out ever could.

When you see the pictures, if you still feel the same way, let me know.

[molson]

Greg Hardy still playing.

Can you imagine if we had THIS on video?

"Carolina Panthers defensive lineman Greg Hardy was declared guilty by a North Carolina judge of assaulting his former girlfriend, Nicole Holder, in an incident that allegedly involved hair-pulling, slamming a toilet seat on her arm, and putting his hands around her neck"

[mckerney]

It seems way overboard. If it takes that for a grown man to control a four-year old, what is it going to take when the kid is eight or twelve? Coming from abuse, I have no tolerance for parents who take out their frustrations on their kids. And I have spanked my kids before.

If that's what it looked like a week later that it goes far beyond disciplining a child.

[mckerney]

I guess Jerrick McKinnon is going to get a shot at carrying the load. Interesting.

Or time to give Patterson a go at playing RB full time.

[molson]

Either guy will look good against New England.

[cuervo72]

After a quick look at one pic, is that from a cat-o-nine-tails?

[mckerney]

EXCLUSIVE Details On Adrian Peterson Indictment Charges « CBS Houston (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/)

The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”
In further text messages, Peterson allegedly said, “Never do I go overboard! But all my kids will know, hey daddy has the biggie heart but don’t play no games when it comes to acting right.”
According to police reports, the child, however, had a slightly different story, telling authorities that “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face.” The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.” He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”

[Radii]

Can you imagine if we had THIS on video?

"Carolina Panthers defensive lineman Greg Hardy was declared guilty by a North Carolina judge of assaulting his former girlfriend, Nicole Holder, in an incident that allegedly involved hair-pulling, slamming a toilet seat on her arm, and putting his hands around her neck"

And you should see Panthers fans on the internet, even in the face of the Ray Rice stuff. Tons of bashing of the character of the victim, comments that the original conviction was made by a "female judge with a known feminist bias", calling all of this a "media witch hunt".

Ugh.

[BillJasper]

EXCLUSIVE Details On Adrian Peterson Indictment Charges « CBS Houston (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/)

The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”
In further text messages, Peterson allegedly said, “Never do I go overboard! But all my kids will know, hey daddy has the biggie heart but don’t play no games when it comes to acting right.”
According to police reports, the child, however, had a slightly different story, telling authorities that “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face.” The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.” He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”

If this is true, Peterson is one sick fuck.

[Kodos]

I hope both of AP's knees explode.

[BillJasper]

I hope both of AP's knees explode.

I wonder if the NFL's new domestic violence rules cover child abuse? If those text messages are from Peterson, you have him admitting what he did. Seems like it would be pretty open and shut six game suspension.

[Groundhog]

The NFL is starting to look like the Malaysia Airlines of professional sporting leagues.

[Groundhog]

Also, time for an update to Madden to include realistic suspensions.

"Oh darn, my starting WR is suspended for 6 games after beating his spouse to death with her own shoes."

[mckerney]

I wonder if the NFL's new domestic violence rules cover child abuse? If those text messages are from Peterson, you have him admitting what he did. Seems like it would be pretty open and shut six game suspension.

If children are involved the suspension can be longer than six games, but for the rules the league just put forth I think there needs to be a conviction first (at least as far as the automatic suspension goes).

[BillJasper]

If children are involved the suspension can be longer than six games, but for the rules the league just put forth I think there needs to be a conviction first (at least as far as the automatic suspension goes).

Hell, Peterson will likely be retired before they ever make it to trial. :lol:

:(

[mckerney]

From SI (http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/08/ray-rice-video-legal-fallout-roger-goodell-baltimore-ravens)

The NFL has not clarified the threshold for what constitutes a domestic violence “offense” under the new policy. Along those lines, it is not clear whether “offense” requires a conviction or guilty plea, or a lesser threshold of an arrest, civil lawsuit or mere accusation. The absence of clarification is not relevant to Rice’s situation, given that he was sentenced, but could be relevant to the situations of other players. This is most immediately apparent with San Francisco 49ers defensive lineman Ray McDonald, who was recently arrested for suspicion of domestic violence, a felony under California law. The charge stems from an alleged incident between McDonald and a woman who is reportedly pregnant. McDonald, who has said “the truth will come out,” awaits punishment from the NFL.

[Lathum]

As the father of a crazy four year old boy reading the details of that make me physically sick. I can't imagine my son or daughter doing anything that could make me so angry. To physically inflict pain on someone who looks up to you and trusts you as their whole world is so sick to me.

[Julio Riddols]

When you see the pictures, if you still feel the same way, let me know.

They honestly look like surface scratches, maybe extra strength welts, not open wounds. I never got whipped with a stick, but here in NC I know a lot of people who were as children. They tend to be very normal people, and they have great relationships with their parents. A think whipping stick would make wounds like that on a small child fairly easily, as their skin is generally pretty sensitive.

That said, I have never had to discipline my child on such a level.. He has generally been very good about listening to what he is told to do. I don't know that I ever could use a belt on him, let alone a whipping stick. I'm just not a very aggressive person physically unless I am being attacked. I also have a really convincing serious face, because 90% of the time I am smiling. When that smile goes away, the boy knows I am not fucking around anymore.

[rowech]

They honestly look like surface scratches, maybe extra strength welts, not open wounds. I never got whipped with a stick, but here in NC I know a lot of people who were as children. They tend to be very normal people, and they have great relationships with their parents. A think whipping stick would make wounds like that on a small child fairly easily, as their skin is generally pretty sensitive.

That said, I have never had to discipline my child on such a level.. He has generally been very good about listening to what he is told to do. I don't know that I ever could use a belt on him, let alone a whipping stick. I'm just not a very aggressive person physically unless I am being attacked. I also have a really convincing serious face, because 90% of the time I am smiling. When that smile goes away, the boy knows I am not fucking around anymore.

There's a difference between a single swat and having them all over your body. I got my dad's frat paddles when I was spanked. Typically one or two swats depending on the offense. I'm not against paddling/spanking but this goes way above that. This is an absolute beating.

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah, it may have been a bit overboard. We weren't there, Peterson seems to leave no indication that he thinks this is out of the ordinary.. In today's society, this kind of thing is such a grey area - It is pretty hard to draw a real conclusion. I am probably 60% on him not doing anything wrong still, but I guess ideally I should pretty much stop giving a shit. It's not my place to judge, or my job to interpret what is right and wrong with the legality of these actions. I'm not really much of a Peterson fan either, but I know 4 year olds say a lot of retarded stuff that is sometimes not anywhere close to reality. You have to know them to know when they are telling you about something that actually happened or something that their limited vocabulary and understanding of reality causes them to say.

I'm neither sympathetic to Peterson's plight, nor angry about what he has apparently done. I guess I'll leave the rest of this canvas blank so that I can draw conclusions when the subject is more clearly defined.

[JPhillips]

And those pictures are a week old. That kid's legs must have been horrifying the day after the beating.

[DaddyTorgo]

Not a good week from a PR standpoint for the NFL...

[Lathum]

- It is pretty hard to draw a real conclusion. I am probably 60% on him not doing anything wrong still.

I am honestly floored that anyone can think taking a tree branch and beating helpless 4 year old to the point of creating those kinds of marks isn't doing anything wrong.

What could that child possibly have done to deserve that?

What lesson can you possibly be teaching him?

[JAG]

If this is true, Peterson is one sick fuck.

Wow is that awful.

[Eaglesfan27]

I hope both of AP's knees explode.

Plus 1. I am horrified by the pictures especially considering they are a week old when photographed.

[Matthean]

So the new drug policy gets done and Gordon might get 19 games and Welker is free to play. Way to go NFL!

[panerd]

So the new drug policy gets done and Gordon might get 19 games and Welker is free to play. Way to go NFL!

I think the NFL's marijuana rules were a bit harsh but everyone seems to forget that Gordon also picked up DWI 2 or 3 right after his failed drug test. I keep hearing about Rice and domestic abuse being ignored while Gordon is punished but what about potential deadly car accidents being ignored?

[Julio Riddols]

I am honestly floored that anyone can think taking a tree branch and beating helpless 4 year old to the point of creating those kinds of marks isn't doing anything wrong.

What could that child possibly have done to deserve that?

What lesson can you possibly be teaching him?

Like I said, I can't make determinations on this stuff. The sensationalism of the news today, especially in the wake of the Rice stuff, its hard to trust or believe anything you read. What I see are the kind of marks that could be left if a kid scraped their knee. Marks that fade from the mind even quicker than they fade from the body. Peterson may be a psychopath, he may have used an actual branch from a tree and not a thin twig, or a "switch". The 4 year old involved will likely learn to listen if the whipping was in any way reasonable. I doubt he did this over the kid spilling a glass of milk or some other accident. This was likely a response to ongoing insubordination. I might sound like a psycho myself saying this stuff, but given that this has apparently been through the courts repeatedly and that Peterson has been forthcoming with everything from day one, I am less inclined to believe this has anything to do with child abuse and more to do with a form of discipline that people rarely employ today. In the past, this would have been nothing to get up in arms about. Now, everyone wants to go ape shit when a kid gets spanked or disciplined in such a way that does not mesh with the coddling nature of parenting today.

Personally, I am of the opinion that a lot of the bullshit teachers and authority figures deal with nowadays is due to the fact that kids and young adults know they cannot (or at least "should not") be punished like they used to be. Whats the worst that can happen, suspension? It used to be common to go to the principles office and get paddled for being a little shit. Now you can just be a little shit. That's it. It either ends in litigation or some other over escalation because of things coming to a head and boiling over.

[BishopMVP]

Adrian Peterson might not play this week... I actually don't think he should be suspended based on the initial reports (he's charged with child abuse due to disciplining his son with a switch), but given everything else going on right now the Vikings might have to for PR reasons.After seeing the picture and texts (and that it was a 4yo not an 11yo), I take this back... Fuck him.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Like I said, I can't make determinations on this stuff. The sensationalism of the news today, especially in the wake of the Rice stuff, its hard to trust or believe anything you read. What I see are the kind of marks that could be left if a kid scraped their knee. Marks that fade from the mind even quicker than they fade from the body. Peterson may be a psychopath, he may have used an actual branch from a tree and not a thin twig, or a "switch".

Mostly this.

If you chose your words to fit a certain narrative to describe the standard childhood punishment for 98% of the people who grew up within 25 miles of me, well, it would make a wonderfully sensationalized story in today's environment.

But it wouldn't be remotely "abusive" to any reasonable rational person.

There were basically 3 types of households when I grew up:
1) "Hickory" (colloquial term for "switch")
2) "Belt" ... self-explanatory
3) "House of F'n Little Shits" ... also pretty much self-explanatory

Petersen could very well be a completely pyschopathic abusive p.o.s. ... but I'm not ready to make that call based on one incident report or grand jury charge. Let the trial play out, get more information then maybe I'll have a more definitive take.

[Fonzie]

For those annoyed by soapboxes, be warned: I'm about to get on mine. Skip on past this post, if you prefer.

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This makes me ill.

To use violence in this manner teaches children that violence, even against loved ones, is OK. To call such acts "discipline" is a big, steaming pantsload. Discipline is, at its heart, correction via education. Education is optimized when the best interests of the student are of paramount importance, regardless of how frustrated the teacher may be. If the student's best interests are kept in mind, how does directing violence their way ever become a pedagogical technique? It cannot. No, violence enters the equation when the teacher's need to express anger overwhelms all other considerations.

There are myriad other ways to educate or to modify the behavior of a young children. Even if the desire to communicate "I'm in charge" is the main lesson, violence is simply never necessary to communicate this to a four-year old. Failure to find another way indicates either an astonishing lack of intellectual capacity or an indulgent, selfish need to express anger at the child's expense.

While AP's child may have deeply deserved a serious timeout, I find myself hoping that it is AP who gets it instead. In a very Big House. [/soapbox]

[stevew]

Suspend him now and sort it out later. Vikes absolutely should deactivate him this week.

[JonInMiddleGA]

For those annoyed by soapboxes, be warned: I'm about to get on mine. Skip on past this post, if you prefer.

FWIW, I'm not gonna grief you. I think you're about as dead wrong as you can be in terms of parenting/discipline but you have the right to be dead wrong ... as long as the mistake doesn't create any issues in my life.

I think that's pretty reasonable.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't think there's any harm in spanking a kid. I was spanked, my siblings were spanked, I know my sister has spanked her kids.

But it's a "last resort" type thing, not a common, everyday type of thing. I was probably spanked...less than 10 times growing up. Hell...probably 5 or less. I can't really remember now, so obviously it's not like it scarred me for life or anything.

I don't hold to spanking with a belt or a switch. My father was belt-spanked as a kid and still talks about it. That to me is...too much. I think when you start involving belts, paddles, switches, or any other sort of instrument then it crosses a line.

[Fonzie]

FWIW, I'm not gonna grief you. I think you're about as dead wrong as you can be in terms of parenting/discipline but you have the right to be dead wrong ... as long as the mistake doesn't create any issues in my life.

I think that's pretty reasonable.

Indeed, very reasonable.

And to be clear, I'm not suggesting that there should never be any use of consequences in disciplining children. I'm suggesting there should never be any use of violent consequences.

I realize there are many deeply held opinions on such things, and folks are certainly entitled to philosophies different from mine and can practice whatever parenting techniques are legal in their jurisdictions. But for what it's worth, what I described isn't merely my opinion. There's a substantial research literature on the negative effects of physical punishment supporting my position.

[sabotai]

You know, sometimes I just can't wrap my head around what some people are saying. I mean, one side is so clearly wrong and yet, they persist. No matter how much someone backs up their position with actual arguments, the people in the wrong stick to their preconceived notions and just won't move off of it.







I mean, I've watched the coaches film of the Giants - Lions game, watched every play several times and really dissected it as best I could, and I still can't believe people are putting the blame for the Giants' offensive woes all at Eli's feet. Yes, he has accuracy issues, yeah he tries to do too much sometimes, but that Lions game was the same as last year's season. Receivers dropping easy catches, running backs that just run into the line and fall down and never break a single fucking tackle, and to top it off, a offensive line that can't run or pass block for shit. It's scary that some of those offensive linemen actually beat out other players for the starting job!

The offensive lineman that really stood out (in a bad way) was G John Jerry. There were multiple running plays where he never even touched an opposing player. He just sorta stood around like he didn't know what the fuck he was supposed to be doing. I can't believe he actually won the starting job over someone else.

And before someone jumps on my nuts about Eli, I'm not absolving him of his contributions to that suckfest either. There were some passes that were horribly off target (thrown from inside the pocket while not under pressure), a few times where he tried to make something happen and should have just thrown it away. He had a bad game. If he can't accurately throw a quick slant in a west coast offense, and there were few times his pass on a quick slant was waaaay off target, this offensive system is doomed from the start. All I'm saying is that I don't think it's time to throw the towel in on him yet.

Having said that, he might have to go to a new team to find success again. The way he's getting the shit kicked out of him behind that traveshamockery of an offensive line that shows no signs of getting better any time soon, and he could be done within another year or two. I don't think any QB could sustain multiple season of getting their ass kicked like he did last year and looks to be again this year.

[Julio Riddols]

I just speak from my experience, I know that much. I'm not saying non violent discipline is impossible or ineffective, but that the time and patience required for that is something a lot of people don't have time or make time for. I was fortunate to be a stay at home dad for the first 4 years of my sons life, so I was able to dedicate the time necessary to show a consistent punishment/reward system is in place. It took enormous amounts of patience and some decent loss of sleep/sanity, but I believe it paid off. Now my son corrects my behavior more than I usually have to correct his.

Ultimately though, I believe this kind of 24 hour parenting is a pretty rare luxury. Being able to have the sole authority over what is acceptable and not acceptable and enforce it consistently while also maintaining a reward system that is also consistent is something I don't think many parents have. There is often a lot of stuff that is out of your hands when 2 or more people are making the decisions as to what is or is not acceptable, and one or the other may not have the patience needed to consistently enforce things.

Now the above has nothing to do with Adrian Peterson really, but I think the corporal punishment route is also effective when employed correctly. Adrian may have been overzealous, may have run out of patience too soon, may just be a young dude with things to learn about being a father, but little to no time to learn them with the kind of job he has. I had a lot to learn about how to be a father when I had my son, but I already knew quite well what kind of father I wanted to be and had already set boundaries for myself as to how I would achieve those ideals. I didn't have a lot of things distracting me from that ultimate goal either. I never ruled out corporal punishment, but never had to employ it as a means to the ends I had sought. I am thankful for that. In different circumstances, I may have felt forced to that threshold by constraints outside the realm of our family relationship.

[Julio Riddols]

Regarding Eli, I am not sure what the problem has been with him, because I haven't followed it that closely.. But every other QB on that team looked better than he did in the preseason.

I think he has definitely lost a ton of confidence, as his body language would seem to show. He looks bewildered every time a mistake is made, and that can't be good for team confidence. You might be right, Sabotai. He might just need a fresh start.. But where.. St. Louis as a caretaker QB?

[thesloppy]

I mean, I've watched the coaches film of the Giants - Lions game, watched every play several times and really dissected it as best I could, and I still can't believe people are putting the blame for the Giants' offensive woes all at Eli's feet. Yes, he has accuracy issues, yeah he tries to do too much sometimes, but that Lions game was the same as last year's season. Receivers dropping easy catches, running backs that just run into the line and fall down and never break a single fucking tackle, and to top it off, a offensive line that can't run or pass block for shit.


There was an offensive play in that game that seemed to encapsulate the Giants pretty well: pre-snap Eli sees something he doesn't like, and changes the play via hand signals to the 2 receivers in the play. The ball is snapped and Eli rolls out to the right, sets his feet, and looks up-field...to find both of the WRs blocking for a run. Awesome! It would be hard for anybody to succeed with that kind of execution.

[sabotai]

That post started off as a joke and developed into a rant...

As for preseason, I remember thinking Jesse Palmer looked great one year in the preseason. Much better than Kerry Collins did. Then Collins got injured in the regular season and Palmer got his chance in a real game...then the Giants drafted Eli.

Yes, Eli's confidence, especially in his offensive line, is completely gone. All of last year, and continuing this year, every time he throws the ball, he's throwing off his back foot. Pressure or no pressure, he's not fully stepping into his throws. It's causing them to be even less accurate than before, and not have as much zip on them. Several times passes last year died due to lack of power in the throw because of it and an otherwise fine pass turned into an incomplete or INT because he wasn't steeping into his throws (he still steps in the direction of the pass, but you tell from his posture that all of his weight is still on the back foot).

As for where he goes, there's not a lot of options out there really. St. Louis, Houston if Fitzpatrick doesn't work out (and Savage doesn't develop). Maybe Arizona if Palmer falls on his face.

[BishopMVP]

You know, sometimes I just can't wrap my head around what some people are saying. I mean, one side is so clearly wrong and yet, they persist. No matter how much someone backs up their position with actual arguments, the people in the wrong stick to their preconceived notions and just won't move off of it.







I mean, I've watched the coaches film of the Giants - Lions game, watched every play several times and really dissected it as best I could, and I still can't believe people are putting the blame for the Giants' offensive woes all at Eli's feet. Yes, he has accuracy issues, yeah he tries to do too much sometimes, but that Lions game was the same as last year's season. Receivers dropping easy catches, running backs that just run into the line and fall down and never break a single fucking tackle, and to top it off, a offensive line that can't run or pass block for shit. It's scary that some of those offensive linemen actually beat out other players for the starting job!

The offensive lineman that really stood out (in a bad way) was G John Jerry. There were multiple running plays where he never even touched an opposing player. He just sorta stood around like he didn't know what the fuck he was supposed to be doing. I can't believe he actually won the starting job over someone else.

And before someone jumps on my nuts about Eli, I'm not absolving him of his contributions to that suckfest either. There were some passes that were horribly off target (thrown from inside the pocket while not under pressure), a few times where he tried to make something happen and should have just thrown it away. He had a bad game. If he can't accurately throw a quick slant in a west coast offense, and there were few times his pass on a quick slant was waaaay off target, this offensive system is doomed from the start. All I'm saying is that I don't think it's time to throw the towel in on him yet.

Having said that, he might have to go to a new team to find success again. The way he's getting the shit kicked out of him behind that traveshamockery of an offensive line that shows no signs of getting better any time soon, and he could be done within another year or two. I don't think any QB could sustain multiple season of getting their ass kicked like he did last year and looks to be again this year.The majority of the blame has to go on the person who decided to put him in a west coast offense, and the personnel director, but come on... an NFL quarterback simply can't attempt this throw on anything other than 4th and 27 Page not found — Vine (https://vine.co/v/Oz5DXglhnX6)

[Lathum]

Like I said, I can't make determinations on this stuff. The sensationalism of the news today, especially in the wake of the Rice stuff, its hard to trust or believe anything you read. What I see are the kind of marks that could be left if a kid scraped their knee. Marks that fade from the mind even quicker than they fade from the body. Peterson may be a psychopath, he may have used an actual branch from a tree and not a thin twig, or a "switch". The 4 year old involved will likely learn to listen if the whipping was in any way reasonable. I doubt he did this over the kid spilling a glass of milk or some other accident. This was likely a response to ongoing insubordination. I might sound like a psycho myself saying this stuff, but given that this has apparently been through the courts repeatedly and that Peterson has been forthcoming with everything from day one, I am less inclined to believe this has anything to do with child abuse and more to do with a form of discipline that people rarely employ today. In the past, this would have been nothing to get up in arms about. Now, everyone wants to go ape shit when a kid gets spanked or disciplined in such a way that does not mesh with the coddling nature of parenting today.

Personally, I am of the opinion that a lot of the bullshit teachers and authority figures deal with nowadays is due to the fact that kids and young adults know they cannot (or at least "should not") be punished like they used to be. Whats the worst that can happen, suspension? It used to be common to go to the principles office and get paddled for being a little shit. Now you can just be a little shit. That's it. It either ends in litigation or some other over escalation because of things coming to a head and boiling over.

We'll have to agree to disagree, which is fine when it comes to being a parent.

[SteveMax58]

Yes, Eli's confidence, especially in his offensive line, is completely gone. All of last year, and continuing this year, every time he throws the ball, he's throwing off his back foot. Pressure or no pressure, he's not fully stepping into his throws. It's causing them to be even less accurate than before, and not have as much zip on them. Several times passes last year died due to lack of power in the throw because of it and an otherwise fine pass turned into an incomplete or INT because he wasn't steeping into his throws (he still steps in the direction of the pass, but you tell from his posture that all of his weight is still on the back foot).

Eli's problem is a compounded problem imho.

1. He lacks talented players around him. Serviceable sure, but not talented (where talented means they are capable of making consistent plays even when others don't do their job perfectly).

2. He lacks vocal leadership. Yes, he can be successful without being a yeller like his brother or a Dan Marino (and has won 2 SBs doing it), but that means he needs veterans around him that are on the same page with his "silent professionalism" and occasionally will do the yelling for him (which is what he's lost in the past few years with Diehl, O'Hara, and Snee retiring). In other words....there are a lot of younger guys that dont know wtf they are doing out there & it seems Eli would prefer to let the coaches ruffle their feathers rather than his own impatience/attitude just forcing his own "corrections" in realtime.

3. Because of 1 & 2.....Eli needs to think 1 more step ahead of some of the pea-brained teammates he has. If you look at that INT over the middle, it was a typical "Eli knows the receiver should turn around yet the receiver doesn't know". Or as mentioned earlier, the 2 WRs blocking on a rollout (wtf?). Eli always gives his receivers too much credit of knowing the playbook & mastering their reads. What he needs to realize is that even if he (Eli) knows everything, his guys don't. And so while it might not be fair, or equitable, or seem realistic....he has to reduce his dependency on routes that his questionable receivers must read & react to and simply go with the safest route (or at least the one with the least potential bad consequences).

[thesloppy]

If we were talking about a 10 year-old, I'd give more credence to talk about how we don't know the context and/or regional/cultural differences in parenting style, but I don't think there's ever an acceptable reason for a 200lb man to be "whooping" a 4-year old kid 20 times with a switch.

[BillJasper]

If we were talking about a 10 year-old, I'd give more credence to talk about how we don't know the context and/or regional/cultural differences in parenting style, but I don't think there's ever an acceptable reason for a 200lb man to be "whooping" a 4-year old kid 20 times with a switch.

It was one hell of a beating for a four-year old to receive.

[rowech]

So I guess the natural questions to ask are what if Peterson had done this to a daughter instead of a son? Does that change things? The next question after that is why is it okay to do a four year old boy but not okay to do a 25 year woman?

The easy answer will be "apples to oranges" and I guess I get it to some point but if these cases are somewhere along a spectrum of acceptance versus non-acceptance, then where are the transition points from one situation to the next, to the next?

[Lathum]

I still want to know what a 4 year old boy could have possibly done to deserve this. My 4 year old does crazy stuff all the time, including throwing my phone in the toilet a few weeks ago, and I would never dream of doing this to him as punishment.

[Desnudo]

We'll have to agree to disagree, which is fine when it comes to being a parent.

I think there's a desire to look back on the good ole days like a quick slap to the face is the best solution. Society evolves, some people take more time.

If anyone is curious corporal punishment is actually still legal in schools in Texas but no one, as far as I know, uses it...

For Peterson to get arrested in Texas for corporal punishment, he must have really done something bad.

[JAG]

You know, sometimes I just can't wrap my head around what some people are saying. I mean, one side is so clearly wrong and yet, they persist. No matter how much someone backs up their position with actual arguments, the people in the wrong stick to their preconceived notions and just won't move off of it.







I mean, I've watched the coaches film of the Giants - Lions game, watched every play several times and really dissected it as best I could, and I still can't believe people are putting the blame for the Giants' offensive woes all at Eli's feet. Yes, he has accuracy issues, yeah he tries to do too much sometimes, but that Lions game was the same as last year's season. Receivers dropping easy catches, running backs that just run into the line and fall down and never break a single fucking tackle, and to top it off, a offensive line that can't run or pass block for shit. It's scary that some of those offensive linemen actually beat out other players for the starting job!

The offensive lineman that really stood out (in a bad way) was G John Jerry. There were multiple running plays where he never even touched an opposing player. He just sorta stood around like he didn't know what the fuck he was supposed to be doing. I can't believe he actually won the starting job over someone else.

And before someone jumps on my nuts about Eli, I'm not absolving him of his contributions to that suckfest either. There were some passes that were horribly off target (thrown from inside the pocket while not under pressure), a few times where he tried to make something happen and should have just thrown it away. He had a bad game. If he can't accurately throw a quick slant in a west coast offense, and there were few times his pass on a quick slant was waaaay off target, this offensive system is doomed from the start. All I'm saying is that I don't think it's time to throw the towel in on him yet.

Having said that, he might have to go to a new team to find success again. The way he's getting the shit kicked out of him behind that traveshamockery of an offensive line that shows no signs of getting better any time soon, and he could be done within another year or two. I don't think any QB could sustain multiple season of getting their ass kicked like he did last year and looks to be again this year.

I think he graded out as the 6th best QB in PFF this week for what it's worth. I thought I read he made two errors (the INTs perhaps?) and the rest was on the OL / WRs.

[ISiddiqui]

Later in that Houston CBS article it also says:

After the child returned home to Minnesota in late May, the mother took the son to his previously scheduled doctor appointment and the doctor that examined the child said the injuries were consistent with child abuse and that it appeared the child had injuries from one incident involving a “switch” and another incident possibly involving a cord.

Yikes!

Though apparently AP says he never hit with a cord, as that would be too much...

[Abe Sargent]

Later in that Houston CBS article it also says:



Yikes!

Though apparently AP says he never hit with a cord, as that would be too much...

The phrase "consistent with" has to be understood though. For example, our medical center on campus back when I was at Wayne State often saw students who went in complaining of bed bug bites. They would come back with a "consistent with" analysis and get all pissed off at us, only to find that they brought in fleas or something else. It was usually not bedbugs, but the injuries were "consistent with" that analysis.

So I'm leery to just chuck AP into the child abuse camp based on that language. I'd want to hear more from the medical report, or get an expert opinion on that aspect of medicine rather than a general pediatrician.

I'm open to the possibility of it being more, but that language doesn;t sell me.

[Eaglesfan27]

For those annoyed by soapboxes, be warned: I'm about to get on mine. Skip on past this post, if you prefer.

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This makes me ill.

To use violence in this manner teaches children that violence, even against loved ones, is OK. To call such acts "discipline" is a big, steaming pantsload. Discipline is, at its heart, correction via education. Education is optimized when the best interests of the student are of paramount importance, regardless of how frustrated the teacher may be. If the student's best interests are kept in mind, how does directing violence their way ever become a pedagogical technique? It cannot. No, violence enters the equation when the teacher's need to express anger overwhelms all other considerations.

There are myriad other ways to educate or to modify the behavior of a young children. Even if the desire to communicate "I'm in charge" is the main lesson, violence is simply never necessary to communicate this to a four-year old. Failure to find another way indicates either an astonishing lack of intellectual capacity or an indulgent, selfish need to express anger at the child's expense.

While AP's child may have deeply deserved a serious timeout, I find myself hoping that it is AP who gets it instead. In a very Big House. [/soapbox]


Very well said.

[Abe Sargent]

My problem is the eviction of corporal punishment completely.

For me, nothing else worked. Ground me? I'd just read more books (i read 2-3 week anyway). Take away my books? I'd just going outside and playing basketball and other sports and hang out with my friends. Time out as a young child? Nothing. No allowance that month? I went to the library to borrow books, so I still got my read on that month.

Nothing worked, at all, my entire childhood. Not the "I'm very disappointed in you" speech, nothing.

So what else? Just spanking (and some slapping my face when I'd talk back too). Today, I understand right and wrong, and I'm one of the most careful people when it comes to both ethics and morality, and many people in the field consult me on ethical dilemmas in res life. I never drank a drop of alcohol in my life, don;t go around banging a bunch of people, never done an illegal drug, etc. I know right and wrong, because I was punished with the only thing that would work with me.


Not everyone is me. And if you can raise a child who learns about life, self-control, and so forth, without needing to use corporal punishment, then I'm all for that. But let's not go overboard and decry it completely.

[Matthean]

FYI, his child pushed another one of his kids down and that's what inspired the beating.

[BillJasper]

My problem is the eviction of corporal punishment completely.

For me, nothing else worked. Ground me? I'd just read more books (i read 2-3 week anyway). Take away my books? I'd just going outside and playing basketball and other sports and hang out with my friends. Time out as a young child? Nothing. No allowance that month? I went to the library to borrow books, so I still got my read on that month.

Nothing worked, at all, my entire childhood. Not the "I'm very disappointed in you" speech, nothing.

So what else? Just spanking (and some slapping my face when I'd talk back too). Today, I understand right and wrong, and I'm one of the most careful people when it comes to both ethics and morality, and many people in the field consult me on ethical dilemmas in res life. I never drank a drop of alcohol in my life, don;t go around banging a bunch of people, never done an illegal drug, etc. I know right and wrong, because I was punished with the only thing that would work with me.


Not everyone is me. And if you can raise a child who learns about life, self-control, and so forth, without needing to use corporal punishment, then I'm all for that. But let's not go overboard and decry it completely.

But at four years old?

FYI, his child pushed another one of his kids down and that's what inspired the beating.

Fighting violence with violence! I've never seen that really work.

[Matthean]

Let's put the act aside for a second. In AP's own words he even said that even though he loved his kids they had to know a beaten was going to come if they did wrong. He even made a comment about how well he did at least for parts of it. That's not a dude who did a one time thing that he's feeling sorry about. In cases of abuse, it rarely is. I still find it odd that his mug shot shows him essentially being happy.

[Danny]

In his defense, he has several kids all over the country
and maybe he needed it to be national news so all of them would learn a lesson.

No excuse for this. Not surprising to see someone who puts so little thought and care into having kids also put that little thought and care into raising them

[molson]

I'm pretty sure if we had a video of this AP would never play in the NFL again.

[Danny]

I'm pretty sure if we had a video of this AP would never play in the NFL again.

No question . If rice got a year, AP should get a year minimum also

[mckerney]

In his defense, he has several kids all over the country
and maybe he needed it to be national news so all of them would learn a lesson.

You'd have hoped that maybe he'd have learned the lesson after one of his kids was beaten to death by someone else last year.

[mckerney]

No question . If rice got a year, AP should get a year minimum also

+1

[DaddyTorgo]

Hardy and McDonald are still playing...

[Schmidty]

I am honestly floored that anyone can think taking a tree branch and beating helpless 4 year old to the point of creating those kinds of marks isn't doing anything wrong.

What could that child possibly have done to deserve that?

What lesson can you possibly be teaching him?

+1,000,000

Using physical punishment on a kid is not only sickening, it's also an example of lazy parenting.

I was demolished as a kid over and over, and I've been in therapy for years because of it. Abusers of kids are the lowest form of scum on this earth.

[Matthean]

I'm pretty sure if we had a video of this AP would never play in the NFL again.

He wouldn't be out on 15K bail that's for sure.

[TroyF]

You know, sometimes I just can't wrap my head around what some people are saying. I mean, one side is so clearly wrong and yet, they persist. No matter how much someone backs up their position with actual arguments, the people in the wrong stick to their preconceived notions and just won't move off of it.







I mean, I've watched the coaches film of the Giants - Lions game, watched every play several times and really dissected it as best I could, and I still can't believe people are putting the blame for the Giants' offensive woes all at Eli's feet. Yes, he has accuracy issues, yeah he tries to do too much sometimes, but that Lions game was the same as last year's season. Receivers dropping easy catches, running backs that just run into the line and fall down and never break a single fucking tackle, and to top it off, a offensive line that can't run or pass block for shit. It's scary that some of those offensive linemen actually beat out other players for the starting job!

The offensive lineman that really stood out (in a bad way) was G John Jerry. There were multiple running plays where he never even touched an opposing player. He just sorta stood around like he didn't know what the fuck he was supposed to be doing. I can't believe he actually won the starting job over someone else.

And before someone jumps on my nuts about Eli, I'm not absolving him of his contributions to that suckfest either. There were some passes that were horribly off target (thrown from inside the pocket while not under pressure), a few times where he tried to make something happen and should have just thrown it away. He had a bad game. If he can't accurately throw a quick slant in a west coast offense, and there were few times his pass on a quick slant was waaaay off target, this offensive system is doomed from the start. All I'm saying is that I don't think it's time to throw the towel in on him yet.

Having said that, he might have to go to a new team to find success again. The way he's getting the shit kicked out of him behind that traveshamockery of an offensive line that shows no signs of getting better any time soon, and he could be done within another year or two. I don't think any QB could sustain multiple season of getting their ass kicked like he did last year and looks to be again this year.

Isn't this the nature of the QB position? There was this QB in 2007 who pretty much sucked. 56.7% completion rate. 20 INT's. He had a game in 2007 where he went 8-22 for 57 yards and the team won. Said QB gets "hot" in the postseason. Hot means he doesn't throw an INT the first 3 games. He makes an "amazing" play in the Super Bowl where three holding calls are missed and a guy catches a hail mary on a fourth and long on the side of his helmet. Of course, this is also Eli.

Joe Flacco took the single best 4 game stretch of his career (and an unfathomable mistake by a safety) and turned it into being the highest paid QB in the game.

So you get way too much credit for the wins and way too much blame for the losses. Eli is making 15 million this year and has over 100 million in career earnings. If he had played on a team without a sensational defense, would he have made that cash? Say he comes out the year David Carr did and ends up with a young Texans offensive line?

That's a long winded way of me saying I agree with you. He's taking too much blame right now. He's also received too much credit in the past. I think it's all worked out ok for him in this life.

[Matthean]

Hell, add in his last name is Manning.

[Desnudo]

I'm pretty sure if we had a video of this AP would never play in the NFL again.

If there was a video of him beating his 4 year old with a tree branch he'd be banned for life. Since there isn't Goodell will go eat some skyline chili with Peter king instead,

[NobodyHere]

Skyline Chili is delicious.

And easy to make!

[Julio Riddols]

Regardless of personal opinions and ideas about child rearing, I am hoping that we can just enjoy some damn football tomorrow. I feel like that is too much to ask for those who will be on television talking about the games, but I'm hoping we as fans can just get beyond it.

Not because it is particularly annoying or anything, just because there is nothing we can do about what happens in other people's lives on a day to day basis and I think we could stand to just enjoy the game that brought most of us here in the first place. Here's to a Sunday worth remembering for what happens on the field more than what has happened off of it.

[Dutch]

It's where we are at, unfortunately.

If I were to ask these 4 questions...and you didn't know the answer to any of them...

1. Which QB had the most passing yards in week #1?
2. Which defender had the most tackles in week #1?
3. Which RB has the best hook vs women?
4. Which RB (allegedly) abuses his child?

If you tune in to ESPN, you'll know at least 2 of these answers within 30 minutes and 24 hours later, you'll still only know two of these answers. And it's not the sports related questions.

[gstelmack]

I feel like that is too much to ask for those who will be on television talking about the games

Well, they have hours of pregame shows to discuss it and get it out of their systems, so of COURSE they will talk about it during the games.

We should start a pool, and we'll have enough people here watching that all the games should be covered for us to get an accurate final count. How many plays are either missed by TV, or shoved into one of those small side boxes, so the announcers can discuss the abuse situations?

[BillJasper]

Regardless of personal opinions and ideas about child rearing, I am hoping that we can just enjoy some damn football tomorrow. I feel like that is too much to ask for those who will be on television talking about the games, but I'm hoping we as fans can just get beyond it.

Not because it is particularly annoying or anything, just because there is nothing we can do about what happens in other people's lives on a day to day basis and I think we could stand to just enjoy the game that brought most of us here in the first place. Here's to a Sunday worth remembering for what happens on the field more than what has happened off of it.

I agree.

Problem being the NFL has forced its way into our living rooms 24/7, 365 days a year. They wanted the attention and now they're getting it.

[Desnudo]

Well, they have hours of pregame shows to discuss it and get it out of their systems, so of COURSE they will talk about it during the games.

We should start a pool, and we'll have enough people here watching that all the games should be covered for us to get an accurate final count. How many plays are either missed by TV, or shoved into one of those small side boxes, so the announcers can discuss the abuse situations?

"I'm going to take an unpopular stand here, when you get down to it, no one in the national football league should be hitting women and children. Especially not when the videos on."

[NobodyHere]

<strike>Hardy and</strike> McDonald is still playing...

Fixed

ETA: Greg Hardy inactive for Carolina Panthers vs. Lions - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000393900/article/greg-hardy-inactive-for-carolina-panthers-vs-lions)

[Lathum]

If the Giants can't win at home against a Palmerless Cards may as well go 0-16.

[sabotai]

Wouldn't be surprised if the NYG-ARI game turns out to be an early contender for ugliest game of the year.

[stevew]

"I'm going to take an unpopular stand here, when you get down to it, no one in the national football league should be hitting women and children. Especially not when the videos on."
I hate it when they drop a bunch of gibberish sentences and then throw in a "national football league."

[NobodyHere]

So how much is the NFL actually going to get hurt by all these scandals? Do the majority of NFL fans even care? By care I mean being pissed off enough to not watch games or buy merchandize or anything else that would hurt the league financially.

[B & B]

Wouldn't be surprised if the NYG-ARI game turns out to be an early contender for ugliest game of the year.


honestly, very strongly considering picking up this catanzaro kid as theres a chance we see 4-5 FGs in this piece.

[Dutch]

So how much is the NFL actually going to get hurt by all these scandals? Do the majority of NFL fans even care? By care I mean being pissed off enough to not watch games or buy merchandize or anything else that would hurt the league financially.

Here in Tampa? Apparently they've cared about this for years.

[claphamsa]

So how much is the NFL actually going to get hurt by all these scandals? Do the majority of NFL fans even care? By care I mean being pissed off enough to not watch games or buy merchandize or anything else that would hurt the league financially.

i tend to doubt it. I am however getting an earful from my GF (who hates football). Its really just giving the naysayers something to blabber about.

[Coffee Warlord]

Looking like no Marshall or Jeffrey for the Bears tonight. Gonna be an ugly one.

[kingfc22]

RG done

[TroyF]

Vikings run a complete drive with nothing but crossing routes to the TE and FB. It results in 4/4, 75 yards, and a TD. NE gets the ball and hands it off three straight times, including a 3rd and 8. I don't think the Patriots are in any real danger. You have to figure they'll figure out the crossing routes and the Vikings are still the Vikings, but I don't think that's the start they were looking for after the second half last week.

[TroyF]

As I finished typing that, Cassell throws up one of the bigger ducks you will ever see in your life and the WR doesn't make an adjustment on the ball at all. Ends up as an INT and a first and goal from the one for the Patriots.

[Matthean]

RG done

And whatever cost it is to trade for Cousins continues to go up.

[kingfc22]

Skins are probably a better team with Cousins anyway at this point.

[Lathum]

All I saw was RG3 on the ground and Cousins in the game. What happened?

Sigh Eli.

[Desnudo]

McCourty channelling ed reed

[Radii]

All I saw was RG3 on the ground and Cousins in the game. What happened?

No contact, he was scrambling right, and sort of jump/plant/throw right near the sideline and went down and didn't get up.

[Radii]

dola, looked like right leg/right knee maybe

[Lathum]

and the Giants give up a 16 yard run on a 3rd and 14 draw. Gonna be a long year, can't even stop the other team when they are giving up

[Desnudo]

Is there any reason for kick offs to exist at this point other than commercials?

[kingfc22]

dola, looked like right leg/right knee maybe

Left on a cart with air cast on left leg.

[kingfc22]

Knowshon heading to locker room now as well.

[Radii]

Injuries everywhere, christ.

[Radii]

Left on a cart with air cast on left leg.

wow really. I'm watching Carolina and Red Zone at the same time, I missed that, my bad.

[General Mike]

I think Eli Manning drives me crazier then Gary Nova does. :(

[stevew]

Best Manning is garbage.

[Desnudo]

Refs hosing the patriots again, don't think anyone complain they get favored anymore

[Desnudo]

Cassel balancing it out though

[jeff061]

Refs hosing the patriots again, don't think anyone complain they get favored anymore

I'm not the sure Pats are getting hosed or the announcers are just incapable of explaining anything that is happening or playing relevant replays.

[Desnudo]

I'm not the sure Pats are getting hosed or the announcers are just incapable of explaining anything that is happening or playing relevant replays.

Seems legit calls, but they've been ignoring similar on the other side if they going to call it tight.

[mckerney]

Vikings should really line Patterson up at tailback the rest of the game if they want a chance to win.

[Lathum]

Will the real Drew Brees please stand up

[Radii]

Is it possible that the Saints are bad? Probably not, but please please let it be so. GO BROWNS.

[Radii]

Carolina up 6-0 at the half, Detroit with 2 missed FG's and a turnover, Carolina with a bunch of holding penalties, either team could take over in the second half if they fix a few mistakes.

[Abe Sargent]

Wow Patriots....

[Izulde]

WTF was Philbin doing? The offense finally putting a drive together and he just runs out the clock.

[TroyF]

The injury list:

AJ Green
Desaun Jackson
RG3
Knoshon Moreno


Ouchie.

[TroyF]

First half thoughts today:

Matt Ryan's MVP season being derailed

Someone forgot to tell the Cowboys defense they would suck this year. 68 total yards for the Titans.

Cassell is not a starting QB. I know the Vikings want to take things slow, but they shouldn't. See what you have in Bridgewater right now. There is a chance you'll have a very high pick next year and it'll probably be a good idea to see what you have. You have to know Cassell isn't leading you anywhere.

I haven't seen a lot of it, but my God to the Giants look horrible.

[Buccaneer]

So how much is the NFL actually going to get hurt by all these scandals? Do the majority of NFL fans even care? By care I mean being pissed off enough to not watch games or buy merchandize or anything else that would hurt the league financially.

The only real change will be when sponsors start pulling out. Maybe those of us that have a low tolerance for violence and abuse can put pressure on the sponsors.

[murrayyyyy]

WTF was Philbin doing? The offense finally putting a drive together and he just runs out the clock.

Helping my under bet.

[stevew]

Bengals vs Falcons makes for some impossible TV viewing with the clashing colors.

[stevew]

CJ Spiller!

[TroyF]

Rich Eisan reporting RG3 with a dislocated ankle

[Desnudo]

That's not an injury you hear every day

[TroyF]

What a catch from Wallace. Wow.

[stevew]

Awesome catch for Wallace.

[claphamsa]

having had a dislocated ankle.... it was more problematic than the 2 broken bones and 2 torn tendons....

so much for the skins picking #1!

[Dutch]

That's not an injury you hear every day

Although not entirely unexpected once you attach RGIII to it. That dude can't catch a break.

[claphamsa]

Redzone is awesome....why didnt yalls tell me about this...

[claphamsa]

also, Drew Stanton is AWFUL

[kingfc22]

That looked like Watkins almost sort of threw the ball at the pylon and didn't have control.

[Thomkal]

also, Drew Stanton is AWFUL

yeah you can see why he's the backup-he led a good drive but got in the red zone and couldn't do anything right (although if Ellington had turned around earlier it would have been an easy TD). Also disappointed with Patrick Peterson's play today. :(

[JPhillips]

Great punt return by Ginn.

[Coffee Warlord]

Did Marques Colston get benched or hurt or something? No targets!?!?

[claphamsa]

yeah you can see why he's the backup-he led a good drive but got in the red zone and couldn't do anything right (although if Ellington had turned around earlier it would have been an easy TD). Also disappointed with Patrick Peterson's play today. :(

you still love him though... right?

[Thomkal]

TED GINN JR WITH THE PUNT RETURN TD!

[Thomkal]

you still love him though... right?

He's less beloved than he was at the start of the game. ;)

[Lathum]

and thanks to Victor Cruz the Giants completely implode...

[Thomkal]

oh my thought that was going to be back-to-back return TD's for a second there.

[Desnudo]

They need to clarify how big the branch was

[Thomkal]

oh my Giants

[Lathum]

I don't know how much of this team I can watch...

[BillJasper]

I knew the Dolphins would shit the bed today!

[Desnudo]

Starting to feel bad for Cassel

[Radii]

Detroit scored easily on their first drive of the 3rd quarter to go up 7-6 but its been all Carolina since then. Stafford tried to launch one to Megatron that got intercepted, and they fumbled on a kickoff return, Carolina's kicker ended up making the fumble recovery. Carolina leads 24-7 and it looks to be over. That's three turnovers for Detroit today. Carolina has 6 takeaways in two games so far and haven't committed any turnovers of their own yet.

Kelvin Benjamin had a number of drops today, a couple of them pretty inexcusable. He also had one very very nice catch, but definitely not the same flash that we saw in week 1. Cam went to Greg Olsen a lot, with a lot of success, and got Cotchery and Avant more involved than they were last week too and both looked reliable.

[Lathum]

So the 2 guys complaining this week, Randal and Cruz, have both had huge drops in key spots today. Eli has looked good today

[BillJasper]

I'm glad I took a nap this afternoon! :lol:

[Thomkal]

*whews* as my beloved Cards win. Almost changed my Survival pick on them, glad now I decided to stay with it.

[Desnudo]

How refs can stare 2 feet away and not see a clear out of bounds on a TD beyond me

And fouts is senile

[Radii]

CLEVELAND! F the Saints!

[JPhillips]

The Browns still don't have much on offense, but Pettine's done a good job getting them to play hard and smart.

[Dr. Sak]

How refs can stare 2 feet away and not see a clear out of bounds on a TD beyond me

And fouts is senile

Determining possessing and a catch and at the same time trying to see where his body is in relation to OOB is more difficult in that instance cause the field of vision is shortened. The official can't widen it cause they can't leave the back line/goal line.

[Desnudo]

Determining possessing and a catch and at the same time trying to see where his body is in relation to OOB is more difficult in that instance cause the field of vision is shortened. The official can't widen it cause they can't leave the back line/goal line.

Or maybe he's just old and blind

[mckerney]

How refs can stare 2 feet away and not see a clear out of bounds on a TD beyond me

And fouts is senile

Seems like they often choose to just let replay sort it out by calling it a TD in situations like that.

[JPhillips]

Every time Bart Scott speaks the rest of the CBS crew looks at him like they're wondering why the hell he said that.

[Thomkal]

Wow Henne sacked 10 times today

[BillJasper]

Wow Henne sacked 10 times today

Guess we know why the Jags aren't starting Bortles yet...

[larrymcg421]

It's almost as if the first week isn't completely indicative of how the whole season will go.

[NobodyHere]

Love to see Cleveland get that win.

Sad to see that the Lions only put up 7 points.

[Abe Sargent]

Jets with an early play to recover the fumble/exchnage

[Abe Sargent]

If the Jets defeat the Packers today I will go mythic on everyone's asses! :)

[BillJasper]

Why have rules if they aren't going to follow them? Harvin steps out of bounds on his 51-yard TD and the booth didn't review it.

[Abe Sargent]

Dang, did someone replace Geno Smith with....er...Kirk Cousins I suppose?

[Lathum]

Great throw by Geno Smith on the TD

[BillJasper]

Dang, did someone replace Geno Smith with....er...Kirk Cousins I suppose?

Packers defense is pathetic.

[BillJasper]

Josh McCown is, well, Josh McCown. :lol:

[Thomkal]

Why have rules if they aren't going to follow them? Harvin steps out of bounds on his 51-yard TD and the booth didn't review it.

Yeah saw that-Seahawks had better hope they win by more than 7 now or there is going to be a major stink about that.

Also Jamaal Charles hurt-saw him limping off field, now going to locker room-probably an ankle sprain I'd guess

[Glengoyne]

Why have rules if they aren't going to follow them? Harvin steps out of bounds on his 51-yard TD and the booth didn't review it.

Agreed. AND the ref was right there. He should have made the call in real time.

This happened during the first 'experiment' with instant replay too. There is some sort of meta game that the refs engage in. If I blow the whistle and then i'm wrong there is nothing that an be done to correct my actions. If I swallow the whistle AND the guy scores, then replay will bail me out.

I was thinking that I hadn't really seen that be prevalent through last year, but I've seen it in every game this season.

That touchdown and in multiple turnovers last week.

I honestly don't know if that ref looked to replay to get it right or if he is just rusty because he is used to replay bailing him out. Either way this is a ver troubling trend.

[cartman]

On the opposite side of refs swallowing their whistles, the Cowboys had a defensive TD called back when the ref called the play an incomplete pass instead of an interception today, and on review it was called an interception.

[BillJasper]

I honestly don't know if that ref looked to replay to get it right or if he is just rusty because he is used to replay bailing him out. Either way this is a ver troubling trend.

What I didn't understand, is that the ref pointed at the ground as Harvin was running down the sideline near the spot where he stepped out.

[Abe Sargent]

A 17 play man-up drive puts the Jets up 21-3 in Green Bay? That is crazy.

[Radii]

Well last week we were declaring Seattle a lock to make the Super Bowl again based on their results against Green Bay, so I guess we're now looking at a Seahawks-Jets super bowl?

[Desnudo]

Chargers-redskins

[BillJasper]

So if Cousins looks decent over the next so many weeks, where does that leave Washington and RGIII? You have a guy that you invested multiple first-round picks yet seems like he is incredibly fragile.

[cartman]

I can speak from experience on ankle dislocations. I dislocated both of my ankles senior year of high school while playing soccer. Dislocated the left one during the 2nd game of the season. Luckily there were no fractures or torn ligaments, and I was out for almost 3 months. My second game back in, the first playoff game, I dislocated the right ankle. This one was worse, but again no bone fractures or torn ligaments. Since then, I've always played with a lace up brace on each ankle.

[Glengoyne]

On the opposite side of refs swallowing their whistles, the Cowboys had a defensive TD called back when the ref called the play an incomplete pass instead of an interception today, and on review it was called an interception.
I don't actually mind that. He MADE the call as he saw it.


What I didn't understand, is that the ref pointed at the ground as Harvin was running down the sideline near the spot where he stepped out.

My gut tells me this guy didn't make the call as he saw it. THAT is where things start to go bad for the league and for the perception of how instant replay works or doesn't.

Replay is great if the officials make the calls on the field, and the replay "team" works like a back stop.

[BillJasper]

Their defense may blow, but as long as the Packers have Aaron Rodgers, they have a chance.

[TroyF]

It's almost as if the first week isn't completely indicative of how the whole season will go.

You have to be joking. We ALL thought the Titans were Super Bowl contenders and Matt Ryan would average 475 yards a week passing. Every. Single. One. Of. Us.

[BillJasper]

You have to be joking. We ALL thought the Titans were Super Bowl contenders and Matt Ryan would average 475 yards a week passing. Every. Single. One. Of. Us.

I said Miami would upchuck at Buffalo earlier in this thread. Some people seem to mistake fans getting a little giddy/frustrated at their teams week one performance for how they think a team will perform all year.

[BillJasper]

What a catch by Antonio Gates.

[Radii]

That was a great Gates catch

[TroyF]

The Charger today are doing EXACTLY what you have to do to beat the Seahawks. And that starts with not giving a crap who is on one side of the field. They are making the 'Hawks play side to side. Sherman hasn't received the entire game off and Thomas hasn't been able to shade to one side the entire day.

The Seahawks are still making plays. They are still hard as hell to move the ball on. And knowing Rivers, he'll gift them a TD in the fourth to blow a lead. Yet he didn't walk into that game terrified that #25 was magical boss character in a video game who couldn't be beat.

Screw that, attack him and see what happens. Good on the Chargers, win or lose.

As for the Broncos/Chiefs game, the Chiefs are just getting banged up to hell. I knew they wouldn't be as lucky with injuries this year, I didn't think every pro bowler on the roster would go down in two weeks either.

Manning looks terrific. The running game is still a work in progress and the pass rush is too hit and miss right now. As I type this they rush three on a 3rd and 18, have I ever stated how much I hate that strategy?

[BillJasper]

The Charger today are doing EXACTLY what you have to do to beat the Seahawks. And that starts with not giving a crap who is on one side of the field. They are making the 'Hawks play side to side. Sherman hasn't received the entire game off and Thomas hasn't been able to shade to one side the entire day.



I think the heat is playing a factor as well. Seahawks aren't use to playing in this type of weather.

[TroyF]

I think the heat is playing a factor as well. Seahawks aren't use to playing in this type of weather.

Maybe, but it is hard to blame fatigue when the Chargers were playing effectively right from the kick.

[BillJasper]

Knile Davis needed to lower his shoulder there.

[TroyF]

Denver defense with their third 3rd down and long this series. I wonder if they'll rush three and get torched again.

[BillJasper]

Jackson earned those fifteen yards.

[TroyF]

Rush 5, get pressure, force Alex to finally miss on a third down and then cheap shot him like a complete group of jack asses. Good call Denver. Ugh.

[BillJasper]

Looks like a backwards pass by Geno Smith.

[BillJasper]

Longest drive (by the Chiefs) I've ever seen that didn't result in points. :eek:

[BillJasper]

Ryan Mathews down.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Combination of Steelers playing Thursday, losing interest league wide, and needing to get some stuff done around the house, I have not watched 1 minute of a game today

However, my phone buzzed about 100 times from the Yahoo! app to tell me of another injury about every 30 seconds.

[TroyF]

The announcers in the Seahawks game are stumbling over themselves talking about "that's who Seattle is as a team, of course they are going to go for it"

Ummm, the Seahawks had 1 timeout and with 1:40 left in the game. EVERYONE goes for it there. The Chargers really scare me. They are a very, very good team. Last year I was more worried about them than the Chiefs and that worry is still there. If they would stop blowing games they should win, they might challenge for the division. Thankfully, they've already blown one.

Seahawks will be good and pissed next week. Denver in for a dogfight.

[BillJasper]

Thankfully, they've already blown one.



Denver isn't careful, they're going to end up blowing this one.

[Galaril]

The announcers in the Seahawks game are stumbling over themselves talking about "that's who Seattle is as a team, of course they are going to go for it"

Ummm, the Seahawks had 1 timeout and with 1:40 left in the game. EVERYONE goes for it there. The Chargers really scare me. They are a very, very good team. Last year I was more worried about them than the Chiefs and that worry is still there. If they would stop blowing games they should win, they might challenge for the division. Thankfully, they've already blown one.

Seahawks will be good and pissed next week. Denver in for a dogfight.

Sad too say but based on what Denver has shown so far about 55% of the time the first two games of the season they are in for another a$$ whipping in Seattle:-(

[TroyF]

Denver isn't careful, they're going to end up blowing this one.

You think? I'm not that worried. We'll see.

[BillJasper]

You think? I'm not that worried. We'll see.

KC without Charles is a team that Denver should've taken out back to the woodshed. It isn't a victory I would feel good about.

[BillJasper]

Fans are already booing the playcalling in Tampa Bay. :lol:

[cartman]

That fumble by Smith wraps things up for the Broncos. The INT return earlier should have iced it, but negated by a defensive offside call.

[BillJasper]

Maybe not... :lol:

[cartman]

KC is playing with house money at this point

[TroyF]

Sad too say but based on what Denver has shown so far about 55% of the time the first two games of the season they are in for another a$$ whipping in Seattle:-(

I fully expect them to lose next week. I'm not all that worried about the "slow" start. There have been a lot of changes on defense this off season. The secondary has 1 guy in a different role (Haris), 2 brand new starters (Talib, Ward) and 1 new guy getting a massive amount of snaps (Roby)

On the pass rush, you have Miller coming off his injury and Ware brand new.

You essentially are talking about 5 guys in the nickle package being either brand new or being put in a different spot. Anyone who expected the Denver defense to be at the top of their game instantly was expecting just a tad too much. They won't be what they will be unil a week or two after the bye week.

Not as many changes on offense, but the offense really hasn't looked that bad. Need a little better running game, which is a little disappointing, but not anything I am all that worried about now.

Overall, I wouldn't have been shocked with a loss in either of the first two games.

I still don't think Denver loses this one, but we'll see.

[TroyF]

I'm a little pissed off that the Broncos aren't calling timeouts right now though.

[TroyF]

The Chiefs call time out? Denver is giving them a gift and the Chiefs call time out? LOL.

[TroyF]

Horrible clock management by Fox at the end, but another win. Life is good. 2-0 despite not playing anywhere near peak. No major injuries.. I'll take it.

[BillJasper]

Jets are fucking stupid!

[JPhillips]

Jets are fucking Jets!

Fixed.

[cartman]

Horrible clock management by Fox at the end,

The defense shouldn't stop the clock for the offense, especially when the other team only has one timeout and can't take the lead. Make the offense scramble and don't let them get settled.

[TroyF]

Teams to make it to 2-0:

NFC
Carolina Panthers
Arizona Cardinals
(Eagles if they beat Indy tomorrow night)

AFC
Buffalo Bills
Cincinnati Bengals
Houston Texans
Denver Broncos


Next week for these teams

Pittsburgh @ Carolina (Sunday Night)
San Francisco @ Arizona
Washington @ Philadelphia
San Diego @ Buffalo (looking like a fun game all of a sudden)
Tennessee @ Cincinnati
Houston @ NY Giants
Denver @ Seattle

I think we have three likely losses there. Denver, Houston and Buffalo.

[BillJasper]

They didn't even give Mike Evans the chance to get off the field before calling the game.

[TroyF]

The defense shouldn't stop the clock for the offense, especially when the other team only has one timeout and can't take the lead. Make the offense scramble and don't let them get settled.

You have Peyton Manning in Denver. You might want to give him a minute to win it if the defense falters. Different takes and it worked out, but I'd rather he have saved some time.

[Desnudo]

Teams to make it to 2-0:

NFC
Carolina Panthers
Arizona Cardinals
(Eagles if they beat Indy tomorrow night)

AFC
Buffalo Bills
Cincinnati Bengals
Houston Texans
Denver Broncos


Next week for these teams

Pittsburgh @ Carolina (Sunday Night)
San Francisco @ Arizona
Washington @ Philadelphia
San Diego @ Buffalo (looking like a fun game all of a sudden)
Tennessee @ Cincinnati
Houston @ NY Giants
Denver @ Seattle

I think we have three likely losses there. Denver, Houston and Buffalo.

I think buffalo gets to 3-0

[Galaril]

You have Peyton Manning in Denver. You might want to give him a minute to win it if the defense falters. Different takes and it worked out, but I'd rather he have saved some time.

I agree but inadvertently (I think at least it is) Fox may have given his defense some confidence with them closing out the last two games in the closing minutes especially by not calling the timeouts. If he calls the timeouts it tells the defense he thinks we can't stop these bums.

[JPhillips]

How can the Raiders have been so bad for so long and not only still be awful, but also old?

[BillJasper]

I still think Tampa Bay would be better off playing Mike Glennon.

[BillJasper]

How can the Raiders have been so bad for so long and not only still be awful, but also old?

I don't expect McKenzie and Allen to be around next year. But then I don't expect Philbin and Hickey to be around in Miami either.