2015 NFL Week 2

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Getting fired up. Home opener in front of one of the best home field advantages in the NFL against the hated Broncos. It doesn't get any better than that!

[Logan]

If KC doesn't win by at least a TD, I'll be surprised.

[BillJasper]

If KC doesn't win by at least a TD, I'll be surprised.

If Manning doesn't have a better game than he did against the Ravens, it'll be a blowout.

[Logan]

Yeah, even being so early on in the season, I don't like Manning on short rest following how he played W1.

[Galaril]

I am expecting a big game from Von Doom and our other three edge rush backers and the oline and running game taking off. The days of the 400 yards passing are over in Denver with a new offense. Manning is just a game manager at this point. It will be interesting to see how KC's CBs Peters and Gaines matchup with Sanders and DT.

[cartman]

Haven't the Broncos won 5 straight in Kansas City?

edit: I guess it is 6 straight overall, and 5 out of 6 in KC.

[Subby]

Hey now!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPH6BEOWoAAKzX6.jpg

[Suicane75]

ET Phone home.

[timmae]

Why wouldn't he have had the team doctors check out that thing the day after it happened. That dude's off man.

[miami_fan]

Why wouldn't he have had the team doctors check out that thing the day after it happened. That dude's off man.

I wonder why he wasn't asking the Giants to send him the tender offer paperwork for him to sign before he was admitted to the hospital.

[Thomkal]

If KC doesn't win by at least a TD, I'll be surprised.

But will it be by a KC WR is the question?

[Glengoyne]

But will it be a WR by a KC WR is the question?
This seems unlikely.

But they are due.

[TroyF]

1) I think the Manning is finished crowd is getting just a bit too excited. I also think this is a horrible matchup at a horrible time for him. The KC D is damned good at rushing the passer. The Broncos O-Line still hasn't had time to gel.

2) KC is deeper this year and can withstand more injuries. For the first time in a long time, I actually think they are a threat.

3) That said, my belief is based off of roster moves and not week one. Week one was very similar to past KC victories. Destroy a crappy QB, get two TD's off of turnovers and then hold on because the offense can't put the team away.

4) I LOVE Eric Berry. Great story, loved him as a player before the cancer, love him even more now.

5) This is the KC Super Bowl for the regular season. Denver loses and it proves NOTHING. (see NE last year in KC) KC cannot lose this game if they want to be serious contenders in the AFC West.

6) For me, this game comes down entirely to the Denver offensive line. The Denver defense is going to bring it all year. It is going to be ridiculous. They'll get torched in a game or two because that's what offenses do. . . but it won't happen often. I don't expect it to happen tonight.

That said, if the O-Line is as bad as it was last week (and I expect them to be that bad), Denver simply isn't moving the ball. KC will get enough turnovers and points to grab a 17-6 win if that's the case. If the offensive line can generate even a little running game and allow Manning time to attack the young CB's? Denver can win this game.

[TroyF]

Good luck to all the KC fans here. No injuries, lets have a fun game.

[TroyF]

We may not see a dumber goal line series all year. What does Denver do well? Rush the passer. So you get the ball first down and goal on the 3 yard line and you go into a 0 back offense?

Run the ball, call play action, use some motion. All of it was working on that drive. I had pretty much written this off as 7-0 KC and was waiting for Charles to run it in. I saw him go out wide and smiled a big smile. I figured it would only be a FG. Instead a turnover and Broncos ball.

Thanks Andy.

[EagleFan]

We may not see a dumber goal line series all year.

I beg to differ. The Giants goal line series at the end of the game last week has already wrapped up that award for the year.

[BillJasper]

Why, oh why, didn't Kubiak take the points there in an obvious defensive battle?

[Arles]

Best Chiefs offensive play: a Denver personal foul

[thesloppy]

Gotdamn this Denver Oline is horrrrrrrrible. Kubiak ain't helping. I guess the fact that Kubiak took offensive control away from Manning shoulda been a bad sign. Manning may have a noodle arm these days, but he certainly knows how to run an offense, and taking all that shifting/audibling he does at the line away from him seems like playing against his strengths, and handicapping your QB & team in service of the coach's ego.

[BillJasper]

Gotdamn this Denver Oline is horrrrrrrrible. Kubiak ain't helping. I guess the fact that Kubiak took offensive control away from Manning shoulda been a bad sign. Manning may have a noodle arm these days, but he certainly knows how to run an offense, and taking all that shifting/audibling he does at the line away from him seems like playing against his strengths, and handicapping your QB & team in service of the coach's ego.

+1

The signal a stuttering mess for anyone else?

[SirFozzie]

Holding prior to the snap, on the defense?

That's a new one.

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[bhlloy]

Too early to say Manning is done? He can barely get any zip on his 10 yard throws

[SirFozzie]

Stick the fork in Manning. He's done.

:(

[bhlloy]

I think even Pennington towards the end threw a ball with more zip than that

[kingfc22]

Manning is certainly showing his age so far early on this year.

[BillJasper]

Too early to say Manning is done? He can barely get any zip on his 10 yard throws

Stick the fork in Manning. He's done.

:(

Definitely one of the worse passes I've ever seen him throw. He has zero zip on the ball and I know that pass didn't go where he wanted it to go.

Time catches up to everyone. I wish he would've walked away before this point, however.

[MizzouRah]

I need to trade him in my FF league ASAP to maybe get some value for him.

[BillJasper]

Wow. Another horrible pass.

[bhlloy]

Definitely one of the worse passes I've ever seen him throw. He has zero zip on the ball and I know that pass didn't go where he wanted it to go.

Time catches up to everyone. I wish he would've walked away before this point, however.

I dunno, there were at least 3 on that drive that were awful. The one with the holding call and the completed pass to Thomas with nobody within 10 yards. He just looks shot.

[BillJasper]

He's too slow now to run an offense from under center.

[SirFozzie]

Well a sign of life.. Let's see if it continues.. Lots of throws to covered wide receivers

[Galaril]

So some how Elways buddy Kubiak has found a away to turn the most prolific offense in NFL history into the Army offense from 1918:-(

[BillJasper]

As long as Manning throws the ball 8-12 yards and inside the hash marks, he's deadly.

[BillJasper]

Andy Reid being Andy Reid. Good to know that things never change.

[BillJasper]

I've always wondered about playing your DB's 8-10 yards off the ball when you're down on the goal line?

[Galaril]

So my reverse curse worked that time.

[bhlloy]

I've always wondered about playing your DB's 8-10 yards off the ball when you're down on the goal line?

I have zero clue what the Chiefs are doing on D. If Manning can throw a ball over 20 yards to the outside maybe you start being worried but right now this should be easy, sit on the short and intermediate routes and you might have four picks by now

[bhlloy]

Also this is two games in a row now I've watched on mute. Holy shit Nantz and Simms are terrible.

[Glengoyne]

So some how Elways buddy Kubiak has found a away to turn the most prolific offense in NFL history into the Army offense from 1918:-(
It really is pretty hard to believe he took the reigns from Peyton.

Just because he doesn't have much of an arm doesn't mean he still doesn't have his best weapon still working just fine.

[BillJasper]

It really is pretty hard to believe he took the reigns from Peyton.

Just because he doesn't have much of an arm doesn't mean he still doesn't have his best weapon still working just fine.

It does seem odd that Elway allowed that to happen.

[BillJasper]

Offensive offense most of the night by KC.

[EagleFan]

That was an ugly pass.

[thesloppy]

It does seem odd that Elway allowed that to happen.

Considering the connection with Kubiak, it makes you wonder if Elway wasn't motivated by thinking that it would give Elway himself more input/control over the offense, even if indirectly.

[EagleFan]

Almost a Madden style interception.

[BishopMVP]

You get a gift INT and start playing for the FG with 7 minutes left? Denver deserves to lose.

[BillJasper]

You get a gift INT and start playing for the FG with 7 minutes left? Denver deserves to lose.

You have a RB averaging 2 yards per carry and a QB struggling to throw the ball 10 yards accurately. Tough to do anything else.

[bhlloy]

I wonder if this the lowest YPC and YPA of Peyton's career? I'm amazed there has only been the one pick, they've flat out dropped at least three more

[BillJasper]

I wonder if this the lowest YPC and YPA of Peyton's career? I'm amazed there has only been the one pick, they've flat out dropped at least three more

Been a rough night for Manning. Though, if I'm the Chiefs, I'm not feeling too much better with how Alex Smith has performed.

[BishopMVP]

You have a RB averaging 2 yards per carry and a QB struggling to throw the ball 10 yards accurately. Tough to do anything else.Slant routes? Crossers? With the RB as a checkdown? Let the athletes get out in space and give you some YAC.

I'll also never understand why teams who can kick off from the 50 choose to boot it thru the end zone. Even if you don't want to go all the way and onside kick it (with the opponent still starting inside their 40), your kicker has to be able to pooch kick better from there off a tee.

[Galaril]

I just mentioned to my girlfriend as the Broncos took over with 2:30 left and down 24-17 this was the first time in a football game in this situation I felt there was no chance of the offense driving the ball for a score

[Julio Riddols]

I'm thinking Manning really is shot. As the season wear on, unless his arm magically gains strength, teams are just going to load the box and make him try to beat them down the field. My guess as this point is that he will not be able to. The Broncos are going to have to make a decision who to start at about mid season if he keeps this up.

[BillJasper]

The calling card of an Andy Reid coached team: an inability to put people away.

[Julio Riddols]

The calling card of an Andy Reid coached team: an inability to put people away.

He really hates running the football too.

[bhlloy]

I absolutely hate what the Chiefs have done on defense. There is no reason to have DBs running 20 yards downfield given what the Broncos have shown. Manning is still smart enough to pick you apart if you give him a target.

And yup, as bad as some of those throws were that was still coming the way they were playing him

[bhlloy]

I'm thinking Manning really is shot. As the season wear on, unless his arm magically gains strength, teams are just going to load the box and make him try to beat them down the field. My guess as this point is that he will not be able to. The Broncos are going to have to make a decision who to start at about mid season if he keeps this up.

Why the hell haven't the Chiefs done this tonight? Do they realize you can adjust your gameplan once the game has started? They haven't been beaten over the top once and the corners are still dropping off and the safeties are playing deep

[Galaril]

I absolutely hate what the Chiefs have done on defense. There is no reason to have DBs running 20 yards downfield given what the Broncos have shown. Manning is still smart enough to pick you apart if you give him a target.

And yup, as bad as some of those throws were that was still coming the way they were playing him

I don't know if they gave him a target. The KC DbS have on the Bronco receivers like scotch tape.

[BillJasper]

L!O!L!

[kingfc22]

Oh my...

[Galaril]

Holy fuck.

[EagleFan]

Wow

[JonInMiddleGA]

OMG !!!

Bwahahahahaha

[EagleFan]

Was that knee down?

[EagleFan]

Guess not.

[bhlloy]

Totally deserved. Awful coaching on both sides of the ball.

[kingfc22]

14 points KC could have avoided by simply kneeling on the ball.

[BillJasper]

So the Chiefs turned the ball over five times?

[Julio Riddols]

Wow.

[RainMaker]

That was something else.

[BillJasper]

My hat off to Manning. His arm is obviously shot, but he is still the smartest QB in the NFL.

[Glengoyne]

14 points KC could have avoided by simply kneeling on the ball.

QFT

[JonInMiddleGA]

Never in doubt ... right?

[Glengoyne]

Oh and I do love Andy Reid.

[thesloppy]

The Broncos had zero business winning that game, but KC just couldn't keep from choking.

[BillJasper]

14 points KC could have avoided by simply kneeling on the ball.

I'm definitely struggling to understand the clock management issues we saw Sunday night with the Giants and tonight with the Chiefs. These guys get paid millions to make these decisions and it seems fans have a better grasp on how these situations should be handled.

[BillJasper]

The Broncos had zero business winning that game, but KC just couldn't keep from choking.

The defense forced five turnovers. Whether it was through KC incompetence or not, Denver made the plays they needed to make.

[Logan]

Yeesh.

[Suicane75]

I'm definitely struggling to understand the clock management issues we saw Sunday night with the Giants and tonight with the Chiefs. These guys get paid millions to make these decisions and it seems fans have a better grasp on how these situations should be handled.

I'll always love Andy for what he did for the Eagles, but time management and a lot of times game management, were not his strong suit.

[TroyF]

The Broncos had zero business winning that game, but KC just couldn't keep from choking.


Then who does deserve to win this game? Denver doesn't. KC turned the ball over 5 times, they sure as hell didn't. It's not like KC DOMINTATED this game without the turnovers. it was a game that was going to be within a score for most of the game. This game could have been a blowout both ways if a handful of plays turned out differently. At the end of the day, we can say KC choked, but the reality is Peyton Manning took Denver 80 yards in just over 2 minutes to tie that game.

Manning, flat out, needs to stay in the shotgun. The OLine is simply not good enough. There were plays where the play action had an open receiver down the field (even though we can't run the ball at all). Peyton didn't have time to see him. Anytime he was under center, he had pressure by the time he got a step back and it has nothing to do with him being slow.

I mean, I read here where he can only throw balls inside the hashes 8 to 12 yards and watched a TD 20 yards down the field. His arm is weak, but he is not done. The OLine is done. It's comical.

As for the Chiefs? I feel horrible for Charles. A really good player and I hate that this happened to him. On the other side, the coaching was horrific. The other thing is they CANNOT go down the field. If Manning is done because he can't throw it 30 yards, what exactly is the excuse of Alex Smith? The Chiefs were 0-7 on third downs and I was sitting on my couch calling their third down plays.

"Watch out Dad, they are throwing a swing pass to Charles here. They have Thomas in the backfield, they are motioning him, he'll get the ball. Watch out for the TE here." It's so painfully predictable. The Chiefs D is great, but their corners didn't impress me at all. Slow the pass rush and what do you have exactly? The Broncos have two pro bowl CB's. The Chiefs have a couple of young guys who might be great one day, but are only so so for now.

Overall, happy to get a win. The Ravens and Chiefs are probably the two best defensive fronts we'll see all year. With the poor line, I'll be happy to face poorer defenses and worry about how the offensive line is coming along when we face KC again in mid-November.

[thesloppy]

Then who does deserve to win this game? Denver doesn't. KC turned the ball over 5 times, they sure as hell didn't. It's not like KC DOMINTATED this game without the turnovers. it was a game that was going to be within a score for most of the game. This game could have been a blowout both ways if a handful of plays turned out differently. At the end of the day, we can say KC choked, but the reality is Peyton Manning took Denver 80 yards in just over 2 minutes to tie that game.

For sure. I would vote for "nobody" as for who actually 'deserved' the win tonight. Kansas City felt like they were somehow playing better football, except not during any plays that mattered...but like on 1st and 2nd down, between the 30s, and not during the end of either half, they were totally killing it. Likewise, on defense they seemingly just looked better to the eye, but couldn't convert critical interceptions, and let Denver score/convert at all the worst times...the old "break but don't bend" defense.

I'd also agree with your assessment of Denver's offensive problems. Manning's ball flutters more these days, especially under pressure, and he obviously doesn't have as much zip as he used to...but he looked competent & strong enough when he was given adequate protection & able to step into his throws, which got a little better as the night went on. In the beginning the Oline was atrocious, letting guys through free on literally every play...nobody's going to look good under those conditions (especially if you can't muster even the tiniest threat of a running game). The question is of course whether he's going to be playing under those conditions all year long. Making him take snaps under center and take drops, and not letting him adjust plays/protections at the line seems ludicrous. It does seem relevant that his couple long ball attempts were actually overthrown by a yard or two, and relatively good looking passes, rather than wobbly under-thrown ducks, so I agree that the worries about his arm being completely cooked may be a bit premature.

[Kodos]

Crazy ending last night. Maybe Kubiak learned a bit last night that if you let Manning work out of the shotgun, things go better. What's the deal with Anderson. Was he just good at the end of last season because he was fresh and everyone else was worn out?

[BillJasper]

Crazy ending last night. Maybe Kubiak learned a bit last night that if you let Manning work out of the shotgun, things go better. What's the deal with Anderson. Was he just good at the end of last season because he was fresh and everyone else was worn out?

Maybe he's just better out of the gun? With Manning being a stationary target there, he can concentrate looking at the defense?

[TroyF]

Crazy ending last night. Maybe Kubiak learned a bit last night that if you let Manning work out of the shotgun, things go better. What's the deal with Anderson. Was he just good at the end of last season because he was fresh and everyone else was worn out?

I do not think anyone realizes just how bad this line is right now. Last year, CJ was eunning behind some guys who could grate. Watch a replay of the Broncos first two games and tell me exactly where the running lanes were. It is the same thing for Manning. Take ANY QB and put him under. The conditions Manning was in the last two games and tell me how it is going to work.

Joe Flacco and Alex Smith have went a combined 34/57 for 308 yards and 4 int's against Denver and their arms are just fine. Manning is 50/85 for 431 yards and 3 TD/2 INT in his first two games. (Yards per pass attempt nearly identical to the other two guys, which is horrible)

Thankfully the line now has some time to get better. They dont need to be the best in the NFL, but they do need to be better. Barring a ridiculous rash. Of injuries, the Denver D will be dominant all year long. They can carry the O fow awhile. If the OLine stays this bad? Manning will not finish the year (and really no QB would)

CJ will need to rely on that line to get better.

[Galaril]

Crazy ending last night. Maybe Kubiak learned a bit last night that if you let Manning work out of the shotgun, things go better. What's the deal with Anderson. Was he just good at the end of last season because he was fresh and everyone else was worn out?

New offensive line with four new starters and a new offense is part of the running backs struggles. CJ early in the Ravens game hurt his toe pretty badly and also reinjured a high ankle sprain he got in preseason. He should be fine after the 10 day rest.

[Logan]

Yikes.

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[Kodos]

I thought the other RB (whose name escapes me at the moment) looked better than Anderson. But, yeah, their o-line looks terrible right now. Can't pick up blitzes, can't create running lanes.

[Kodos]

Yikes.

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Yep. Over time, it is becoming harder to remain a football fan. Which sucks, because it is by far my favorite sport.

[molson]

We've known for almost 100 years that boxers and others that get hit in the head a lot are at a dramatically increased risk for being "punch-drunk" as they get older. It's interesting psychologically how identifying this buzz-term diagnosis of "CTE" has totally changed the game even though CTE can't be diagnosed until after you're dead, and there's no clear agreement on what the symptoms or impacts of it even are, or how prevalent it is in the general population. That Boston University group definitely wins the award for increasing awareness of this, but I'm not really sure what it all means. It's not surprising that football players' brains end up looking different than other brains. I guess the question just where the line of "acceptability" is to where we're OK with the risk. And that question can't really be answered by CTE diagnosis alone, because that doesn't tell us anything about real impact or real consequences. The BU group has successfully sold that term as something really scary and terrible on its own, even though it's something you'll never even know you have. But yet we didn't seem to be phased at all by pre-CTE data about how football players have 3-4 times the risk of developing Alzheimers, a much lower life expectancy generally, etc, and other actual practical diagnosable consequences.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yep. Over time, it is becoming harder to remain a football fan. Which sucks, because it is by far my favorite sport.

Doctors, dentists, veterinarians, finance workers and chiropractors all have suicide rates that are 1.5x or more higher than the norm. Do you feel bad patronizing their line of work? What about white women in sales professions, with a suicide rate nearly 2.5x the norm? Do you avoid them in favor of white male or Asian sales people? Or black women in protective service occupations, where the rate is closer to 3x the norm?

I'm not picking on you, I just never have quite understood the angst over this particular statistic.

[Kodos]

I have trouble mentally justifying things that I know have real downsides for others or myself. I guess I'm prone to feeling guilt. In some circumstances it pays off: I'll never cheat on my wife at least in part because I couldn't handle the lifelong guilt I would feel afterward. I don't think I could carry on if I killed someone in a DUI accident or if my negligence caused somebody else's death. It acts to keep me from drinking when I know I'll be driving later. It helps me to do the right thing in a lot of situations.

With football, I feel like players are taking tremendous risks for my entertainment. Yes, they do it voluntarily, and at least now they do it with full knowledge of possible downsides. But somewhere in my mind, that doesn't absolve me of being part of the problem as a fan who supports football with his wallet. Obviously, it hasn't stopped me from watching yet, but it does lower my enthusiasm.

I think some people are just better at ignoring downsides. I'm terrified of dying of cancer, so I avoid activities that increase the chance that I might get it. For lots of people (yourself included), the established fact that smoking increases your chances of dying from cancer is not a deterrent. Same thing with motorcycle riders, skydivers, and other thrill seekers. I don't do a lot of risky things, because I like to help shift the odds in my favor.

[Arles]

To go along with what Jon said, a lot of people enjoy watching "The Deadliest Catch". This even though, through the early 2000s, the Alaskan crab fisherman fatality rate was significantly higher than most professions. There's always been an element of danger involved with certain entertainment professions - and this data doesn't really change that.

I think the NFL has done a pretty good job lately at managing the concussion issue - but there was a period from 1970 through 2000 where they did a piss poor job (mostly because people really didn't understand). I fully expect to see more and more instances of brain injuries for people who played in the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s, but I'm not so sure the same level of risk exists in today's NFL given the equipment and rule changes. The problem is that by the time we would see data on today's players (2030+), the PR damage may already have been done on the sport for past sins. The next 10-15 years will be interesting as more of the 80s/90s "headhunting" era cases come to light.

[Kodos]

FWIW, I would never watch a show like "Deadliest Catch." :)

[lungs]

Better throw away your cell phone with how many tower climbers get killed :)

[BillJasper]

With football, I feel like players are taking tremendous risks for my entertainment. Yes, they do it voluntarily, and at least now they do it with full knowledge of possible downsides. But somewhere in my mind, that doesn't absolve me of being part of the problem as a fan who supports football with his wallet. Obviously, it hasn't stopped me from watching yet, but it does lower my enthusiasm.



This.

[JPhillips]

Doctors, dentists, veterinarians, finance workers and chiropractors all have suicide rates that are 1.5x or more higher than the norm. Do you feel bad patronizing their line of work? What about white women in sales professions, with a suicide rate nearly 2.5x the norm? Do you avoid them in favor of white male or Asian sales people? Or black women in protective service occupations, where the rate is closer to 3x the norm?

I'm not picking on you, I just never have quite understood the angst over this particular statistic.

But if I was watching a reality show that included their bouts with clinical depression and their eventual deaths, I'd probably question my choice of entertainment.

[JonInMiddleGA]

But if I was watching a reality show that included their bouts with clinical depression and their eventual deaths, I'd probably question my choice of entertainment.

They're just as dead (harmed, etc).

Like I said, I ain't picking on nobody at all. I simply don't really get the angst.
Life is fatal, at least these guys are getting paid in the interim.

[molson]

Better throw away your cell phone with how many tower climbers get killed :)

Also clean through our closets and shelves for products made by exploited workers, including exploited child workers. Maybe if they thought of a catchy abbreviation for all the horrors involved with that we'd suddenly feel more guilty about things we already know about.

[stevew]

I guess starting next year it will be mandatory for both Thursday night times to wear their colored jerseys.

[miami_fan]

Don't tell the Texans not to overreact to Week 1. First they change their starting QB, now they are changing the field surface.

Houston Texans switch to artificial surface rest of 2015 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13684348/houston-texans-switch-artificial-surface-rest-2015)

[BishopMVP]

I do not think anyone realizes just how bad this line is right now. Last year, CJ was eunning behind some guys who could grate. Watch a replay of the Broncos first two games and tell me exactly where the running lanes were. It is the same thing for Manning. Take ANY QB and put him under. The conditions Manning was in the last two games and tell me how it is going to work.

Joe Flacco and Alex Smith have went a combined 34/57 for 308 yards and 4 int's against Denver and their arms are just fine.Well, I'm not sure I'd be using Alex Smith as my primary arm-strength example, but I agree that Peyton is just as done as Tom Brady was after the first 4 games last season. Unfortunately, Gronk (or Julius Thomas) isn't walking through that door to make his life easier, but he'll do just fine with that defense in what's shaping up as a down year at the top of the AFC (regardless how ugly it was, Denver's 2-0 with W's over playoff contenders Baltimore and KC). And anyone who thinks that it's time to start Brock Osweiler over Manning can be summarily ignored going forward.

Interesting note re: the O-Line though - "During his first three seasons in Denver, Manning was pressured on 14.3 percent of his passes, the lowest rate in the league by a comfortable margin. Andy Dalton is in second at 19.6 percent. In two games this season, that figure is up to 22.8 percent, which is roughly league-average. Manning has already been sacked seven times in two games. Last year, he didn’t take his seventh sack until Denver’s sixth game." Part of that was Manning's reads and the offense's design, but that also suggests that this O-Line isn't aberrationally bad, just league average, and Denver fans have been a little spoiled as to what usual O-Lines look like.

[stevew]

Don't tell the Texans not to overreact to Week 1. First they change their starting QB, now they are changing the field surface.

Houston Texans switch to artificial surface rest of 2015 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13684348/houston-texans-switch-artificial-surface-rest-2015)

I thought it took 3(or is it 5?) seasons to fix poor quality turf. Hope they paid extra for a quality construction firm.

[TroyF]

Well, I'm not sure I'd be using Alex Smith as my primary arm-strength example, but I agree that Peyton is just as done as Tom Brady was after the first 4 games last season. Unfortunately, Gronk (or Julius Thomas) isn't walking through that door to make his life easier, but he'll do just fine with that defense in what's shaping up as a down year at the top of the AFC (regardless how ugly it was, Denver's 2-0 with W's over playoff contenders Baltimore and KC). And anyone who thinks that it's time to start Brock Osweiler over Manning can be summarily ignored going forward.

Interesting note re: the O-Line though - "During his first three seasons in Denver, Manning was pressured on 14.3 percent of his passes, the lowest rate in the league by a comfortable margin. Andy Dalton is in second at 19.6 percent. In two games this season, that figure is up to 22.8 percent, which is roughly league-average. Manning has already been sacked seven times in two games. Last year, he didn’t take his seventh sack until Denver’s sixth game." Part of that was Manning's reads and the offense's design, but that also suggests that this O-Line isn't aberrationally bad, just league average, and Denver fans have been a little spoiled as to what usual O-Lines look like.

I would argue that Manning made a lot of those pressure statistics what they were. Sitting in the shotgun and reading the blitzes allows him to cover for a lot of mistakes. Brady does the same thing back there by the way.

Tell me why you think that pressure statistic is what it is if you've watch the first two games? How about the fact that the he threw the ball a total of 18 times on the drive Denver scored to make it 14-7 and the drive that Denver scored to make it 24-24 and was pressured 2 times?

In other words, the times Denver simply ran out of the shotgun and hurry up. Take out those two drives and I will promise you the numbers look like a horror show for all of Denvers otherr possessions.

Not counting a kneel down drive, the Broncos have had 23 total possessions. Manning has thrown for 31% of his total yards on those two drives. (8.6% of the Denver possessions) Again, wipe those two, two minute drives off the books and the pressure has been unbearable.

[BishopMVP]

I would argue that Manning made a lot of those pressure statistics what they were. Sitting in the shotgun and reading the blitzes allows him to cover for a lot of mistakes. Brady does the same thing back there by the way.

Tell me why you think that pressure statistic is what it is if you've watch the first two games? How about the fact that the he threw the ball a total of 18 times on the drive Denver scored to make it 14-7 and the drive that Denver scored to make it 24-24 and was pressured 2 times?

In other words, the times Denver simply ran out of the shotgun and hurry up. Take out those two drives and I will promise you the numbers look like a horror show for all of Denvers otherr possessions.

Not counting a kneel down drive, the Broncos have had 23 total possessions. Manning has thrown for 31% of his total yards on those two drives. (8.6% of the Denver possessions) Again, wipe those two, two minute drives off the books and the pressure has been unbearable.So do we just take out all the times other teams are in the shotgun or hurry up offenses too?

Denver's line certainly isn't good now, and it's clearly worse than last year's, but I'm just not ready to say it's the worst in the league and put all the blame on it. It's probably closer to average, (no, I haven't watched all 32 teams play so I can't say that empirically right now) and all that your parsing of under center vs shotgun stats tells me is that Denver should probably go back to having Peyton in shotgun most of the time... which is what most people have been saying for 2 weeks now. We'll see if Kubiak adjusts or digs his heels in.

[TroyF]

So do we just take out all the times other teams are in the shotgun or hurry up offenses too?

Denver's line certainly isn't good now, and it's clearly worse than last year's, but I'm just not ready to say it's the worst in the league and put all the blame on it. It's probably closer to average, (no, I haven't watched all 32 teams play so I can't say that empirically right now) and all that your parsing of under center vs shotgun stats tells me is that Denver should probably go back to having Peyton in shotgun most of the time... which is what most people have been saying for 2 weeks now. We'll see if Kubiak adjusts or digs his heels in.


Go ahead, pull all of the two minute offenses out. I'm telling you, Denver has been a complete and total horror show on the OLine outside of those two drives. It's not just Manning either. The Broncos are averaging 2.8 yards per carry on the ground. If that's "AVERAGE," I would seriously hate to see horrible.

I read the Barnewell article you are referring to. He's also missing that point. On 21 of 23 drives that line has been far below average in protecting the QB. it's been putrid and about as bad of protection as you will ever see in an NFL game. The 18 passes on those two drives have caused the overall number to look a lot better than what it should.

We'll see as we play out the year. The line must get better. If it does, I believe Manning will be just fine. If it doesn't, this offense is going to be a very poor one.

[Suicane75]

Any Dolphins fans have an opinion your coach? I love that teams talent but everything I read about your coach is that he's pretty underwhelming as far as play calling and scheming goes.

[thesloppy]

Playing to DEN o-line's statistics dismisses the fact that their o-line simply fails the eye test. There were rushers coming unblocked, immediately from the snap of the ball, as soon as the game started. Treating 'pressure' as having a binary value of "yes" or "no" on each particular play, ignores the fact that Denver's oline was giving up the worst kind of pressure, as quickly as possible.

[BillJasper]

Any Dolphins fans have an opinion your coach? I love that teams talent but everything I read about your coach is that he's pretty underwhelming as far as play calling and scheming goes.

I think :mad: just about covers my feelings on Joe Philbin.

[Izulde]

Any Dolphins fans have an opinion your coach? I love that teams talent but everything I read about your coach is that he's pretty underwhelming as far as play calling and scheming goes.

I can't believe he's lasted this long. I think if he doesn't make the playoffs this year, he's done.

[BillJasper]

I can't believe he's lasted this long. I think if he doesn't make the playoffs this year, he's done.

I thought he was done when they collapsed down the stretch last year.

[cuervo72]

He seems like such a generic, non-entity coach.

[miami_fan]

Any Dolphins fans have an opinion your coach? I love that teams talent but everything I read about your coach is that he's pretty underwhelming as far as play calling and scheming goes.

At this point he has proven to be a pretty good OC with Mike McCarthy calling plays and Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball.

[BillJasper]

Kevin Hogan confuses me? Some games he looks like he could be a great NFL QB, other games you wonder why he isn't in DIII.

Oops... wrong thread!

[stevew]

When is the NFL going to realize the 930AM EST time zone could easily be in play every week? While Thursday really feels like a cash grab, early on Sunday doesn't.

[Thomkal]

Bad news Cowboys fans:

Dez Bryant expected to miss 10-12 weeks because of bone graft - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000533861/article/dez-bryant-expected-to-miss-1012-weeks-because-of-bone-graft)

[cuervo72]

When is the NFL going to realize the 930AM EST time zone could easily be in play every week? While Thursday really feels like a cash grab, early on Sunday doesn't.

I was thinking this in bed this morning, pondering if I should get up or not (I didn't).

[Suicane75]

9:30amEST? No thank you.

[bhlloy]

Yeah, there is a lot of people in mountain and pacific that aren't watching those games, there is no way the NFL does that. I'm sure it would be great for you though

[BillJasper]

9:30amEST? No thank you.

+1

I'm not even stoked about the games that are already scheduled today. Add another one to the mix? That would be rough and devalue Sunday Ticket and RedZone even more.

[Suicane75]

I'm in NJ and I would hate that. I can't imagine someone out west having to deal with it.

[BillJasper]

I'm in NJ and I would hate that. I can't imagine someone out west having to deal with it.

Imagine the folks in Hawaii that are five or six hours behind the East Coast. :lol:

Then there are the fans that would have to get up and actually leave their house for a game at seven or eight AM. That's if they're not tailgating. :eek:

[Suicane75]

Tailgating for an 8am game is called Saturday night.

[Thomkal]

All rookie Johnson does for the Cards is score TD's-this week 108 yard kickoff return to start the game.

[Butter]

When will the Bengals cut Mike Nugent?

[MikeVic]

Steelers go for 2 on each of the first two tds and convert. Then go for 1 on the next td and it misses... Wouldn't you just go for 2 each time if you started with it already? Figured that was the strategy.

[cuervo72]

Let down much, Rams?

Redskins do look good though. Might indeed be onto something with Matt Jones.

[BillJasper]

Lesson about crowning anyone champs or great after Week One: Winston looking much better, Mariota not so much.

[BillJasper]

I know judging intent is tough, but it really looked like Dalton was trying to pull that ball back in, instead of throwing it.

[Groundhog]

Up at 3am to watch Hayne and the 49ers... Has not been pretty. Brown is murdering them deep, and the Steelers D is giving the 49ers nothing.

[Simbo Klice]

Mariota is having his own tribute to Vince Young, but Poutasi the RT is having a terrible game. He's not holding the edge at all. I think if Mariota gets back under control they can still make a game of it though.

[miami_fan]

Lesson about crowning anyone champs or great after Week One: Winston looking much better, Mariota not so much.

That being said, for all the talk about the possible demise of Manning and Brady, are we sure that Brees is still good?

[Thomkal]

Cardinals score 28 against the Bears so far and Cutler after going perfect, throws a pick-6 and injures himself after trying to tackle the guy who pick-6'ed. Jimmy Claussen in for Bears.

[Thomkal]

stick a finger in the Saints? Brees, Payton. Last I looked they were down to the Bucs and Brees trying to do to much, throws an INT to a double covered receiver.

[Radii]

Jimmy Claussen in for Bears.

Congrats on your victory.

[BillJasper]

For all the grief given Cutler, the Bears are in real trouble if they have to depend on Clausen.

The 49ers look terrible today.

[SirFozzie]

Yikes. Ambulance on the field in Buffalo

[BillJasper]

Yikes. Ambulance on the field in Buffalo

Aaron Williams went down on the Edelman TD.

[BillJasper]

Nice 4th down TD pass by Mariota.

[BillJasper]

Alfred Morris get hurt?

[BillJasper]

Clock management could bite the Giants in the ass again.

[Atocep]

For all the grief given Cutler, the Bears are in real trouble if they have to depend on Clausen.

The 49ers look terrible today.

The Bears are in real trouble no matter what this year. Fox will get it done in all likelihood, but it's going to take time to convert the roster to what he wants to do on both sides of the ball. This probably a 5 win team at best.

[BillJasper]

Too bad Watt and Clowney can't play QB and RB for the Texans.

[BillJasper]

*cough*PhilipRiversisgarbage!*cough* :lol:

[Abe Sargent]

TD jags baby

[SirFozzie]

Um... holy shit?

[MIJB#19]

Massacres across the fantasy survivor leagues as the Buccaneers upset the Saints. I went down with this bandwagon as well.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh my gosh Allen Robinson!!! Tyson Alualu is catching a 1st down, I don't knw when y team started looking like an NFL team, but I like it!

[BillJasper]

Um... holy shit?

I don't understand why the Patriots are throwing the ball 55 times?

[SirFozzie]

I don't understand why the Patriots are throwing the ball 55 times?

Because it's working?

[jeff061]

Well not the last quarter so much, other than this drive.

[BillJasper]

I'm so fucking sick of watching the Miami Dolphins kick FG's. It seems like they've been doing it for fifteen fucking years, non-stop! :mad:

[Thomkal]

Jags 0-8 streak since 2010 in games at 4pm start time in "danger" of being broken

[Abe Sargent]

Bortles with teh 3rd down scramble of huge yardage to keep thangs going

[Abe Sargent]

BOMB to Robinson to put the Jags up another score - 17-6

[BillJasper]

Two TD's in six quarters. It is an offensive explosion by the Dolphins!

[Abe Sargent]

58 yard FG by teh JAGS!!!!


I told y'all this kid looked good in the pre-season.

[miami_fan]

I love the aggressive coaching at the end of the half by Bradley.

[JPhillips]

I doubt the numbers could be made to work, but would a Brees to Buffalo trade make sense for both teams?

[EagleFan]

How did the refs not see that was forward? That looked quite obvious even live.

[stevew]

Yeah, embarrassing

[claphamsa]

I doubt the numbers could be made to work, but would a Brees to Buffalo trade make sense for both teams?

hell get cut, and lead the Bengals to the superbowl next year...

[EagleFan]

How was that a penalty? The receiver ran directly into him.

[EagleFan]

That was the most offensive half of offense that I have ever seen. If they are going to keep paying like this I guess I can open up my Sunday afternoons for the rest of the year.

[stevew]

Tebow looks like trash out there for the Eagles

[kingfc22]

Romo down

[stevew]

Romo has to have a broken collarbone

[Scoobz0202]

:(

[EagleFan]

What is that thing that just happened, where they moved the down markers...

[kingfc22]

Eagles need to just start passing the ball all over the yard. Run game is clearly NOT working.

[BillJasper]

Eagles fans ready for the Sanchize yet? :eek:

[EagleFan]

:banghead:

:rant:

:mad:

:(

[markprior22]

Eagles have more hope for the season now than the Cowboys do.

[BillJasper]

Eagles have more hope for the season now than the Cowboys do.

Obviously you haven't seen how inept the Eagles offensive line is. :eek:

[EagleFan]

Nice play by Murray. What was the kicker doing grabbing him on the sideline after the play?

[kingfc22]

Broken collarbone confirmed for Romo

[BillJasper]

Tony Romo, broken collarbone.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Poor Tony Romo.

[JPhillips]

With Romo out the NFC East has to be by far the worst division in football.

[BillJasper]

Have fun with Brandon Weedon!

[stevew]

This turf is garbage

[miami_fan]

WTF

[kingfc22]

Byron Maxwell is in the early lead for worst FA signing this offseason.

[Abe Sargent]

Good D there by teh Jags

[stevew]

Byron Maxwell is in the early lead for worst FA signing this offseason.

Lol

[kingfc22]

Lol

Guess my reverse jinx powers were in effect for 2 minutes.

[miami_fan]

WTF

I see this will be a consistent theme for Dolphins fans once again this year.

[stevew]

This is the guy Chip Kelly wanted? Will be so happy when that schmucko is back in college.

[JPhillips]

Obviously you haven't seen how inept the Eagles offensive line is. :eek:

Yeah, this might be the worst O-Line I've seen.

Apparently Chip is a supergenius in the same way as Wile E. Coyote.

[Jas_lov]

The Chip Kelly experiment is a complete disaster. He should be fired at season's end. This looks like the worst offense in football. Dallas doesn't have its QB or best WR.

[Abe Sargent]

Catches by Marqise Lee, Hurns, good stuff.........come on JAGS!!!!

[Atocep]

The Chip Kelly experiment is a complete disaster. He should be fired at season's end. This looks like the worst offense in football. Dallas doesn't have its QB or best WR.

4th in yards and 3rd in points last year. 2nd in yards and 4th in points the year before.

Complete disaster because of the first 2 games this year.

[miami_fan]

Where is my damn post about composure from the soccer thread?:mad:

[Abe Sargent]

THAT RIGHT MY JAGUARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stevew]

Why aren't the Jags, Bucs and Fins in the same division? Other than maybe a TV law against it? It would be so much fun.

[rowech]

4th in yards and 3rd in points last year. 2nd in yards and 4th in points the year before.

Complete disaster because of the first 2 games this year.

It's a disaster because he got rid of all the players who produced that and now has this left. Dude should be fired tomorrow.

[miami_fan]

A quick look at the box score shows that the Dolphins' leading rusher was.....Ryan Tannehill. 3 carries for 17 yards. Sheesh

[Dutch]

Why aren't the Jags, Bucs and Fins in the same division? Other than maybe a TV law against it? It would be so much fun.

I'd love that. Throw in the Falcons too.

[MikeVic]

So on that last ravens pick, the raiders guy was never touched lol.

[Eaglesfan27]

That was so disappointing.

[BillJasper]

A quick look at the box score shows that the Dolphins' leading rusher was.....Ryan Tannehill. 3 carries for 17 yards. Sheesh

Philbin has got to go.

I'm tired of the mediocrity in Miami. Other teams get better, get worse, get better, get worse. Not Miami, we're solidly seven to eight wins.

It's like being on the hamster wheel of mediocrity.

[sabotai]

A quick look at the box score shows that the Dolphins' leading rusher was.....Ryan Tannehill. 3 carries for 17 yards. Sheesh

The Eagles leading rusher was Sam Bradford. 2 carries, 9 yards. Second was DeMarco Murray. 13 carries, 2 yards.

[EagleFan]

That was so disappointing.

That is an understatement. :(

[MizzouCowboy]

That is an understatement. :(

And that is an understatement!

I just can't believe the injury to Romo. We might have been able to survive not having Dez for 6 weeks to who knows how long they are reporting now. But without Romo there is really no chance with defenses "preparing" for Weeden.

What really sucks is this defense has the ability to be extremely good. Romo finally gets a solid D and he gets hurt. Just heart breaking.

Now if they can maybe split the games Romo misses, we might have a chance to sneak into the playoffs, but with Weeden I sure am expecting the worse.

[Thomkal]

So any reason to watch NFC East teams rest of the season?

1. Dallas-Romo and Bryant gone maybe for good chunk of the season

2. Giants-Clock management problem second game in a row-for second game in a row lose with a 10 points or more lead in 4th quarter.

3. Eagles- Wow that was beyond pitiful. Chip Kelly does not seem to have the answers so far this season. Leading rusher last year held to 21 yards so far this year. No TD even when weeden came in? wow. well they got one when it didn't matter anymore I guess.

4. Redskins-won today at least, but RGIII circus still in town and just waiting for a Cousins injury to be the main attraction again.

Meanwhile Atlanta has gone 2-0 against you with a good chance of 3-0 if Romo is out next week. Yowza.

Meanwhile my beloved Cards lead the division already, but needed to have taken Palmer out when they got the big lead today. No reason to risk an injury in a meaningless game.

Nice wins by Oak and Jax today

[Scoobz0202]

And that is an understatement!

I just can't believe the injury to Romo. We might have been able to survive not having Dez for 6 weeks to who knows how long they are reporting now. But without Romo there is really no chance with defenses "preparing" for Weeden.

What really sucks is this defense has the ability to be extremely good. Romo finally gets a solid D and he gets hurt. Just heart breaking.

Now if they can maybe split the games Romo misses, we might have a chance to sneak into the playoffs, but with Weeden I sure am expecting
the worse.

Yea. This could get ugly. Really the only positive is that they are off to a 2-0 start in the division. Also, if I am remembering correctly, Romo could have come back earlier than the 10 games he missed for this injury originally but the season was already lost by the time it rolled around so there was no point. Maybe we will get "lucky" and it will be 6-8 weeks.

[Izulde]

Fuck Philbin.

[MizzouRah]

WTF Rams?

[EagleFan]

Okay, Rodgers is good but let's not give him credit for everything.

"Rodgers, knowing he has a free play, sends everyone downfield..."

Some sort of telepathic ability I guess.

[EagleFan]

I wouldn't buy a Samsung Galaxy just for that stupid wireless charging commercial alone...

(sorry, getting tired of seeing that commercial today)

[cuervo72]

Eagles have more hope for the season now than the Cowboys do.

Redskins radio is going to be a really optimistic place tomorrow.

[BillJasper]

I think the Cowboys may be okay with Weeden, in the short term. The defense is pretty stout, so I don't think anyone is going to be able to run away from them.

Atlanta will be a good test for them next week.

[BillJasper]

Fuck Philbin.

+1.

Tannehill is probably the real deal, but he's useless without some type of commitment to the running game.

[JPhillips]

The Bengals tackle eligible play with Jake Fisher was nice. Fisher looked like a TE.

[BillJasper]

Shouldn't the play been blown dead when the offensive lineman jumped from Bennett going into the neutral zone?

[EagleFan]

Shouldn't the play been blown dead when the offensive lineman jumped from Bennett going into the neutral zone?

If an o-lineman jumps the play should be blown dead and a neutral zone infraction given to the defense.

[EagleFan]

Just rewound and looked at that (missed it but heard them talking about it). The o-lineman moved, play should have been blown dead right then.

[EagleFan]

Go Hawks!!!

[EagleFan]

Does it seem like the Packers are starting to rely on the offside draw at times, have been a couple plays lately where they try multiple times and when they actually snap the play without the offside it seems like they had little success.

[kingfc22]

Seattle's defense playing like a bunch of jackasses. Somethings never change.

[EagleFan]

I've seen this now and again. Pile on a fumble. Refs looking at the pile, not calling anything yet. Player from Team A comes out of the pile with the ball, ref calls the ball for Team B. What did they see to give the ball to Team B?

My favorite was a couple years ago seeing a player actually coming out of the pile with the ball (refs didn't see him I guess) and the refs were still untangling the pile looking for the ball. :)

[EagleFan]

Where's Eli and the Giants when we need them for bad clock management?

[Julio Riddols]

The Eagles leading rusher was Sam Bradford. 2 carries, 9 yards. Second was DeMarco Murray. 13 carries, 2 yards.

I think Murray is averaging 0.5 a carry so far this year. I wonder if Chip Kelly has a plan to make the league give his team 20 downs instead of 4. I bet Evan Mathis is laughing his ass off.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Got to bring it better than that, Bills fans.

Bills fans fail to set Guinness World Record for crowd noise against Patriots | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/bills-fans-fail-to-set-guinness-world-record-for-crowd-noise-against-patriots-124943288.html)

[BillJasper]

I hated the Suh signing when it happened and it looks like it's only going to get better from here:

Ndamukong Suh freelancing part of Dolphins problem | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/21/ndamukong-suh-freelancing-part-of-dolphins-problem/)

[bhlloy]

I think Murray is averaging 0.5 a carry so far this year. I wonder if Chip Kelly has a plan to make the league give his team 20 downs instead of 4. I bet Evan Mathis is laughing his ass off.

Too early obviously (and the Romo/Bryant injuries probably set the bar for winning that division lower) but if the Eagles finish with a losing record, does Kelly get another season given that he blew a successful team up in the offseason?

[BillJasper]

Too early obviously (and the Romo/Bryant injuries probably set the bar for winning that division lower) but if the Eagles finish with a losing record, does Kelly get another season given that he blew a successful team up in the offseason?

I'm not sure? Three years of getting progressively worse may see him headed back to college during the off-season.

[Arles]

I've seen this now and again. Pile on a fumble. Refs looking at the pile, not calling anything yet. Player from Team A comes out of the pile with the ball, ref calls the ball for Team B. What did they see to give the ball to Team B?

My favorite was a couple years ago seeing a player actually coming out of the pile with the ball (refs didn't see him I guess) and the refs were still untangling the pile looking for the ball. :)
If the ref sees one player with possession, they make that ruling at that moment (before the full scrum). Seattle's player Justin Britt confirmed that he had to pull it away from Elliott with his statement after the game:

I pulled the tip from him and pulled it away. I walked away with it. Explain to me how that's their ball.
If you have to "pull the ball away", that means the other player was on the ground with the ball to begin with. At that point, it's Green Bay's ball. The only way this doesn't come into play is if the ref doesn't see the initial player have possession of the ball, which he apparently did in this situation. If you look at the video at the 1:06 mark below, it's pretty clear Elliott has the ball and then the Seattle tackle dives in to try and pry it away:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ro5glNQ6UrI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Arles]

Another question on the game. During the personal foul situation that got KJ Wright disqualified, Seattle had 2 personal fouls and GB had one - yet they were offsetting? Here's the PBP from NFL.com:
Penalty on SEA-72-M.Bennett, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. Penalty on GB-70-T.Lang, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. Penalty on SEA-50-K.Wright, Disqualification, offsetting.
So, does this mean if two people get in an altercation and both get a personal foul, I can then take a cheap shot on any other player and the result will still be "offsetting" penalties with no 15-yarder stepped off? Seems pretty odd that if one team gets two personal fouls and the other gets one, they offset. The math doesn't seem to work out ;)

[cartman]

Another question on the game. During the personal foul situation that got KJ Wright disqualified, Seattle had 2 personal fouls and GB had one - yet they were offsetting? Here's the PBP from NFL.com:

So, does this mean if two people get in an altercation and both get a personal foul, I can then take a cheap shot on any other player and the result will still be "offsetting" penalties with no 15-yarder stepped off? Seems pretty odd that if one team gets two personal fouls and the other gets one, they offset. The math doesn't seem to work out ;)

When the ref made the announcement, he said something to the effect that since there was a live ball penalty that was accepted, the dead ball personal fouls were automatically declined, not offsetting. It sure didn't sound right at the time.

[Arles]

Cartman, I heard the same thing - but it didn't make any sense as no live ball penalty was made. The game just continued 2nd and 2 (after the 8 yard gain on first down). My only thinking is that since all the personal fouls were post-play, they offset since there were penalties against both teams. It was just odd that if one team gets two personal fouls post-play while another just gets one, they offset. You'd think the team with two would net out a 15-yard personal foul against them.

[JonInMiddleGA]

You'd think the team with two would net out a 15-yard personal foul against them.

I ain't really up for digging through the NFL rules to see if it's different but what you said is how I saw it work last season at the high school level. I remember it mostly because they actually marched 15 left, 15 right and another 15 left.

I figured the ref was trying to lose weight or something ;)

[sabotai]

Another question on the game. During the personal foul situation that got KJ Wright disqualified, Seattle had 2 personal fouls and GB had one - yet they were offsetting? Here's the PBP from NFL.com:

So, does this mean if two people get in an altercation and both get a personal foul, I can then take a cheap shot on any other player and the result will still be "offsetting" penalties with no 15-yarder stepped off? Seems pretty odd that if one team gets two personal fouls and the other gets one, they offset. The math doesn't seem to work out ;)

Not sure if this is the same situation as in the game because I didn't watch it, but I think the answer to your question is "pretty much". Over the years, I'm pretty sure I've seen a few 2 PF penalties for one team vs. 1 PF penalty for the other in near-brawl like situations after the whistle, and they simply all offset.

[Eaglesfan27]

Too early obviously (and the Romo/Bryant injuries probably set the bar for winning that division lower) but if the Eagles finish with a losing record, does Kelly get another season given that he blew a successful team up in the offseason?

If he does get fired... Should I want him to come to USC (assuming Sark doesn't turn things around and ends up being fired?)

[bhlloy]

100% yes- I'd take that in a heartbeat

[MizzouRah]

I wouldn't buy a Samsung Galaxy just for that stupid wireless charging commercial alone...

(sorry, getting tired of seeing that commercial today)

Those stupid Chevy commercials (real people, not actors) soooo tired of them!

[BishopMVP]

4th in yards and 3rd in points last year. 2nd in yards and 4th in points the year before.

Complete disaster because of the first 2 games this year.I think it's fair to say that OC Chip Kelly is a success, and Pro Personnel Director Chip Kelly is an abysmal failure.

Got to bring it better than that, Bills fans.

Bills fans fail to set Guinness World Record for crowd noise against Patriots | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/bills-fans-fail-to-set-guinness-world-record-for-crowd-noise-against-patriots-124943288.html)It's hard when you're getting emasculated again by the QB that's 20-1 against you in the last 12 years.

[bhlloy]

Those stupid Chevy commercials (real people, not actors) soooo tired of them!

A million times better than Buick. Yes, it looks exactly like a fucking Buick, that's why you are trying to hawk it for 180 bucks a month

[Grover]

Those stupid Chevy commercials (real people, not actors) soooo tired of them!

Still better than McConnaghuey's Lincoln adverts.

"I don't drive a Lincoln because it's coooool."

[BillJasper]

A million times better than Buick. Yes, it looks exactly like a fucking Buick, that's why you are trying to hawk it for 180 bucks a month

:lol:

[albionmoonlight]

Saints message boards blowing up with rumor that Brees has torn rotator cuff and will have season ending surgery. Nothing official yet.

If so, it will be a (likely) sad end to a transcendent career with the Saints.

Of course, as a Saints fan I was ecstatic to have him on my favorite team. It has been a while since I have had to watch shitty QB play and pretend it was adequate. You get used to that.

But, as a football fan, I am also sad that he was stuck with such a bad situation for so long. He dragged teams to relevance that had record-settingly-bad defenses. And he made household names out of guys like Marcus Colston (no probowls ever) and Lance Moore. And the first two weeks with the Seahawks have shown us how mortal even guys like Jimmy Graham look when Brees isn't putting the ball right where it needs to go.

Basically, I wonder how many Super Bowls Brees would have won with even an average supporting cast.

And I think that people may be shocked by just how bad the Saints will be if he's out. I'm thinking two or three wins at the most.

[albionmoonlight]

dola: And props to Brady. I'm not the biggest fan, but out of the Manning/Brady/Brees/Romo generation, he's the one who's managed to keep his body in shape beyond the typical expiration date for QBs.

[BillJasper]

Basically, I wonder how many Super Bowls Brees would have won with even an average supporting cast.



Part of that is on Brees. By demanding so much money, he tied their hands.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Those stupid Chevy commercials (real people, not actors) soooo tired of them!

Curb that impulse. Enjoy the hilarity and the realness of the real people (not actors). Buy a Chevy!

That's a Buick?!?! Or you can buy one of these too.




Or you can buy/lease a GMC or Cadillac.

Choice is yours!

[Grover]

dola: And props to Brady. I'm not the biggest fan, but out of the Manning/Brady/Brees/Romo generation, he's the one who's managed to keep his body in shape beyond the typical expiration date for QBs.

What a Big Ben?

He's honestly probably the third best QB of this generation behind Brady/Manning.

[Thomkal]

Saints message boards blowing up with rumor that Brees has torn rotator cuff and will have season ending surgery. Nothing official yet.

If so, it will be a (likely) sad end to a transcendent career with the Saints.

Of course, as a Saints fan I was ecstatic to have him on my favorite team. It has been a while since I have had to watch shitty QB play and pretend it was adequate. You get used to that.

But, as a football fan, I am also sad that he was stuck with such a bad situation for so long. He dragged teams to relevance that had record-settingly-bad defenses. And he made household names out of guys like Marcus Colston (no probowls ever) and Lance Moore. And the first two weeks with the Seahawks have shown us how mortal even guys like Jimmy Graham look when Brees isn't putting the ball right where it needs to go.

Basically, I wonder how many Super Bowls Brees would have won with even an average supporting cast.

And I think that people may be shocked by just how bad the Saints will be if he's out. I'm thinking two or three wins at the most.

about to post that. Guess there was a reason besides age that Brees looked so bad on Sunday, If he is done, I think we can say the Saints are done for this season (well when they traded Jimmy Graham should have been the first sign) and probably Sean Payton too.

[Thomkal]

Dolphins trade CB Will Davis to Ravens - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000536107/article/dolphins-trade-cb-will-davis-to-ravens)

[Thomkal]

Tony Romo won't need surgery on fractured clavicle - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000535731/article/tony-romo-wont-need-surgery-on-fractured-clavicle)

[Thomkal]

And the QB injuries are stacking up:

Matthew Stafford's availability unclear for Week 3 - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000536104/article/matthew-staffords-availability-unclear-for-week-3)

[Honolulu_Blue]

And the QB injuries are stacking up:

Matthew Stafford's availability unclear for Week 3 - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000536104/article/matthew-staffords-availability-unclear-for-week-3)

If Dan Orlovsky starts next Sunday night, I will not be watching that game. In fact, at this point, I'd rather re-watch Season 2 of True Detective than the Lions.

[Thomkal]

wow that's sad HB-I was still watching after all the horror show in Arizona last year. Guess I can't blame you though,

[Honolulu_Blue]

wow that's sad HB-I was still watching after all the horror show in Arizona last year. Guess I can't blame you though,

I have a particular dislike for Dan Orlovsky for some reason.

His presence is like black a hole, it sucks all of the enjoyment out of everything for me. I think it's because he reminds me of the 0-16 season.

[Grover]

I have a particular dislike for Dan Orlovsky for some reason.

His presence is like black a hole, it sucks all of the enjoyment out of everything for me. I think it's because he reminds me of the 0-16 season.

Is he the only player still on the roster from that team?

Edit: Wow, Megatron was there.