Official 2019 College Football Thread

[tarcone]

Dumbest targeting of all time. Why would you do that?

[bob]

Yikes this game is out of hand but I can’t figure out who would have been a better #4.

[tarcone]

We need a mercy clock

[Edward64]

So that was a correct no call?

No but it doesn’t mean the refs were in cahoots

[bronconick]

Year 3 (?) of "I refuse to take Oklahoma seriously until they play defense" continues

[cuervo72]

Well, this makes Purdue's bowl last year feel a little less bad?

[Galaril]

ND plays fairly mediocre (at least on offense) and still crushes Iowa St.

At this point, I want Oklahoma to beat LSU just to shut up this Joe Burrow talk. This isn't a walk-on that became a starter and then won the Heisman. He had a scholarship to Ohio St. and then transferred to LSU because he was (rightfully at the time) buried on the depth chart. This isn't the LSU Rudy story.

I am a ND fan my whole life especially growing up and I even admit they are a joke until they join a big 5 conference .

[tarcone]

PAC12 and Big12 have no business in the playoffs until they play defense.

Offensive stats look awesome when you play teams that dont play defense.

[bob]

I am a ND fan my whole life especially growing up and I even admit they are a joke until they join a big 5 conference .

Why is that? Becoming a full member of the ACC would have made their schedule easier this year.

Also not sure how beating a team 33-9 means they are a joke.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yikes this game is out of hand but I can’t figure out who would have been a better #4.

4) BYE

[bob]

I thought I wanted a playoff, but I have to admit I kinda miss the old system (pre BCS).

[JPhillips]

I thought I wanted a playoff, but I have to admit I kinda miss the old system (pre BCS).

I preferred the system where winning your conference was the main goal and the end result was a lot of champions. The bowls gave bragging rights, but you had a successful season if you won the conference.

[tarcone]

And OSU is going to go all LSU on Clemson

[tarcone]

4) BYE

Yes

[tarcone]

Defense is not optional at this point of the season

[tarcone]

I jinxed OSU

[tarcone]

Good night Clemson. It sucks when you actually have to play a real team.

[tarcone]

Football is a different game when you play against a defense.

[tarcone]

Hey Clemson, this aint Virginia

[JPhillips]

Dobbins is moving up draft boards.

[tarcone]

If they never show me a picture of #16 on Clemson again, Im a much happier person.

[JonInMiddleGA]

If they never show me a picture of #16 on Clemson again, Im a much happier person.

Da hell?

One of the more likable players in college football in quite a while.

(Unlike the phony whiny little cunt on the other side of the field)

[MizzouRah]

You know Clemson is in trouble when they run Lawrence as much as they have. Hell of a job by Ohio St. defense so far.

LSU though.. yikes they have some weapons as well as the future #1 draft pick.

[tarcone]

Da hell?

One of the more likable players in college football in quite a while.

(Unlike the phony whiny little cunt on the other side of the field)

Dude is ugly

[JonInMiddleGA]

Dude is ugly

Dude looks like Matt Riddle, on that we can agree

[tarcone]

Red zone offense keeping Clemson in the game.

[tarcone]

If we are still using the BCs system, who is in the NC game, Clemson, the defending Chmaps ot OSU?

Thank goodness for the playoffs

[MizzouRah]

Lawrence is getting killed.

[MizzouRah]

Ok that's not pass interference. The WR was holding the DB away with his arm, what do you want him to do?

Get Clemson back in the game refs! :rolleyes:

[tarcone]

Ok that's not pass interference. The WR was holding the DB away with his arm, what do you want him to do?

Get Clemson back in the game refs! :rolleyes:

Clemson is the darling.

[JonInMiddleGA]

If we are still using the BCs system, who is in the NC game, Clemson, the defending Chmaps ot OSU?

Would have been Ohio State, as the BCS used equal parts two voter polls and one computer rating. Ohio State was #2 in both current polls, #1 in composite computer. tOSU would have been closer to overtaking LSU for #1 than Clemson would have been to being #2.

Thank goodness for the playoffs

Fuck the playoffs.

[tarcone]

OSUs crappy red zone offense going to cost them

[JPhillips]

That targeting play has been the line separating two completely different games.

[MizzouRah]

Oh good grief OSU you let the QB run a 67 yard TD?

Game on now I guess.

[MizzouRah]

That targeting play has been the line separating two completely different games.

No doubt about it. Completely turned this game on its head.

[bob]

This field looks terrible. Players slipping all over on both sides

[bob]

I think there should be a two-tiered system for targeting (similar to flagrant 1/flagrant 2), with the first tier being for hits like that which aren't really malicious, and don't result in an ejection. But it should still probably be a 15 yard penalty

[tarcone]

Georgia is going to rip Baylor a new asshole

[Kodos]

C’mon, Clemson. Eliminate OSU.

[JPhillips]

I hate that New Years Day is now only four games.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Georgia is going to rip Baylor a new asshole

I figure the opposite.

Georgia is going to be VERY short handed, so unless Baylor is in equally bad shape then it could be a mismatch.

[JPhillips]

Teams do a lot of shady crap with concussions. There's no good reason for Higgins being out a half and then coming back for the second half when Clemson is down.

[tarcone]

C’mon, Clemson. Eliminate OSU.

Not a B1G fan?

[tarcone]

Teams do a lot of shady crap with concussions. There's no good reason for Higgins being out a half and then coming back for the second half when Clemson is down.

Think coaches really care when their $5 million a year jobs are on the line?

[Kodos]

Not a B1G fan?

I don’t stop hating Ohio State during the playoffs. Unless maybe when they are playing Alabama.

[tarcone]

Tell you what, Kudos (not kodos) to Clemson for making adjustments

[Kodos]

BOOM!

[JPhillips]

Feels like OSU gave the game away. Too many FGs and personal fouls. At least next year should be good with Fields returning.

[Kodos]

Awfully early to be giving up.

[jbergey22]

Hopefully, Oklahoma is not allowed in the playoffs again until they can get a top 50 defense. What a joke of a "playoff" game.

Clemson's depth is getting the best of Ohio State as this game continues. Ohio State needs a big play to change momentum or Clemson could roll this second half.

[JPhillips]

Awfully early to be giving up.

See the pessimism/optimism thread.

[tarcone]

Hopefully, Oklahoma is not allowed in the playoffs again until they can get a top 50 defense. What a joke of a "playoff" game.

Clemson's depth is getting the best of Ohio State as this game continues. Ohio State needs a big play to change momentum or Clemson could roll this second half.

The PAC 12 or Big 12 do not deserve a team.

OSU is getting outcoached right now. They need to make some adjustments.

[bronconick]

Lousy review

[JonInMiddleGA]

At full speed, I have that clearly incomplete
In slow motion, it looked like a catch & fumble.

I dunno what I'd call that.

[tarcone]

At full speed, I have that clearly incomplete
In slow motion, it looked like a catch & fumble.

I dunno what I'd call that.

Whichever way favors Clemson

[Kodos]

See the pessimism/optimism thread.

I’m a pessimist too. Being an Indiana football fan has given me little reason for confidence over the years

[JonInMiddleGA]

Whichever way favors Clemson

My wife's broken arm is the household limit for injuries here.

Don't cause me to end up on the DL due to well-deserved eye rolling.

[MizzouRah]

At full speed, I have that clearly incomplete
In slow motion, it looked like a catch & fumble.

I dunno what I'd call that.

I agree but it was called a TD so how was there indisputable evidence it was incomplete?

[Kodos]

At full speed, I have that clearly incomplete
In slow motion, it looked like a catch & fumble.

I dunno what I'd call that.

Yeah. Honestly, it seems like the call on the field should have stood. But I’m not complaining.

[tarcone]

If Im Clemson Im running a fake punt

[JonInMiddleGA]

This almost feels like a red flag stat for his NFL future

With 55 touchdown passes (and counting), Burrow became the fifth player in FBS history with 5,000 passing yards and 50 touchdowns in a season. Fresno State's Derek Carr (2013), Hawaii's Colt Brennan (2006), Texas Tech's B.J. Symons (2003) and Houston's David Klinger (1990) were the only other players to do that.

[bronconick]

This almost feels like a red flag stat for his NFL future

Well, Cincy has the top pick so...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Well, Cincy has the top pick so...

Make that TWO red flags lol

[tarcone]

These QBs are impressive

[Kodos]

Dang. That was ballsy.

[tarcone]

Welcome back to the game OSU

[tarcone]

Why not go for 2 there?

[bronconick]

Probably should've gone for 2

[MizzouRah]

Why not go for 2 there?

I don't get that.

[tarcone]

I hate replays of leg injuries

[tarcone]

Jeez, Fields had happy feet on that throw

[MizzouRah]

Time for a TD and 9 point lead.

[tarcone]

And no holding on that play?

[tarcone]

And no holding on that play?
Nevermind

[MizzouRah]

Throw the effing ball down the field.

[EagleFan]

How was that not a penalty? Serious false start going on there on so many levels.

[tarcone]

Exciting finish ahead

[tarcone]

OSU should have gone for 2

[JPhillips]

Well, Cincy has the top pick so...

The excitement is wondering if his career will play out like Klingler, Smith, Carter or Palmer!

[tarcone]

OSU should have gone for 2

Nevermind

[tarcone]

Crispin Glover is who Lawrence looks like

[MizzouRah]

I hope LSU crushes Clemson.

[Kodos]

Yay, Clemson. Now go beat LSU!

[spleen1015]

That was one of the most fun games I've watched in a long time in any sport.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Hat tip to J.K. Dobbins. Great performance, and guts to keep going after getting dinged up.

[Kodos]

Sorry JPhillips. You’re not one of the people who makes me root against OSU.

[tarcone]

Congrats to Clemson, they survived some wicked punches by OSU and won.

Great game.

[Kodos]

Hat tip to J.K. Dobbins. Great performance, and guts to keep going after getting dinged up.

A lot of heart shown by both teams tonight.

[HerRealName]

I will forever have replay booth PTSD now.

[Galaril]

LSU is going to boat race these bozos.

[Vegas Vic]

Hopefully, Oklahoma is not allowed in the playoffs again until they can get a top 50 defense.

https://i.imgur.com/14xh8oQ.jpg

[GrantDawg]

I figure the opposite.

Georgia is going to be VERY short handed, so unless Baylor is in equally bad shape then it could be a mismatch.


Over 20 players are out for UGA.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Over 20 players are out for UGA.

Nearly a dozen of whom are significant contributors

3 starting OL, 2 of the top 3 receivers, all-american DB, #2 rusher is out, #1 rusher is questionable at this point.

It's pretty depleted

J.R. Reed among growing list of Georgia players missing Sugar Bowl (https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/reed-among-growing-list-georgia-players-missing-sugar-bowl/lTsWKoLmuwivF1P7fxSGpO/)

[tarcone]

Wow, Georgia needs a new strength and conditioning coach.

[Swaggs]

Probably not that big of a deal, but they said a few times that Lebron had given the OSU team Beats, as a gift, before the game. If free tattoos are a problem, isn’t something like this along the same lines? Seems like bad optics for a program with their history.

[MrBug708]

PAC12 and Big12 have no business in the playoffs until they play defense.

Offensive stats look awesome when you play teams that dont play defense.

Utah has a defense.

Hopefully, Oklahoma is not allowed in the playoffs again until they can get a top 50 defense. What a joke of a "playoff" game.

Clemson's depth is getting the best of Ohio State as this game continues. Ohio State needs a big play to change momentum or Clemson could roll this second half.

2019 COLLEGE FOOTBALL DEFENSIVE FEI RATINGS | Football Outsiders (https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feidef/2019)

[Lathum]

UW has also consistently been a top defense nationally last 5-6 years and have put just as many if not more DBs in the nfl as anyone.

[tarcone]

Here is what the NCAA head of officials had to say about that fumble scoop and score reversal:

"Veteran NFL official and collegiate officiating administrator Terry McAulay led the chorus on Twitter of those second-guessing the officials for overturning the Ohio State touchdown. “There is absolutely no way replay should have reversed,” he said. “’Indisputable video evidence’ is simply not there.”

[Honolulu_Blue]

That LSU/Oklahoma game is as good an argument against expanding the college football playoff beyond 4 teams as there is.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Wow, Georgia needs a new strength and conditioning coach.

Well, several of those are simply "protecting their draft status" guys. And there could be a small eyebrow raise about some of the others too.

[Butter]

This field looks terrible. Players slipping all over on both sides

Having been at the game, that stuck out to me as well. It was wet in Phoenix in the days leading up to the game, and I know they keep the field outside there... I was wondering if they just didn't dry the field out enough before the game itself or what. I don't know what was going on, figured the field should've been pristine.

Some of the other takes in here I'll agree with:

Not sure how they overturned the catch / fumble based on what the original call was. However, OSU scored on the ensuing drive, so not sure it was the game changer people made it out to be.

Dobbins is a hell of a player. When OSU was trying to run with Dobbins out, you could see the drop-off... him being banged up was a big deal.

Clemson is going to have a time with LSU... but so will LSU with Clemson. It should be another great game. It being in New Orleans could be the tipping point.

OSU fans were pretty obnoxious in the stadium prior to the game... even moreso at 16-0... as a reformed OSU fan, and still are my #2, I don't identify with the obnoxiousness and it really bugs me. My wife got taunted more than once. The OSU fans we sat next to (in the Clemson section) cheered when Trevor Lawrence went down injured. Some lady behind us was yelling to "rip his fucking head off" on every kickoff. WTF people? It's a game. You're not playing. These are kids. Calm fucking down.

Great game, great sporting event to attend.

[Bobble]

OSU fans were pretty obnoxious

Every team has it's asshats but this is the thing about OSU's resurgence that bothers me. A team you don't play for -- a school you might not have even gone to -- doing well in one fringe aspect (football) doesn't give you carte blanche to be a dick. Be respectful of your opponent and their fans -- even TTUN. I loved when Urban preached that but some fans don't seem to take it to heart.

[JonInMiddleGA]

A team you don't play for -- a school you might not have even gone to

"Sidewalk alums" are the scourge of a lot of fanbases

[HerRealName]

Sorry for the assholes.

FWIW, the drive following that fumble replay ended with a Fields interception.

[Butter]

Sorry for the assholes.

FWIW, the drive following that fumble replay ended with a Fields interception.

Correct. Saw that about 20 minutes ago.

[NobodyHere]

...My wife got taunted more than once...

Right now I'm imagining an OSU fan yelling in a bad French accent. "Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!"

[JonInMiddleGA]

Unconfirmed reports (but several of those) that he was hit by a train sometime early this morning. Gowdy was the highest rated (4*) receiver recruit for GT since Calvin Johnson and was due to arrive in Atlanta as an early-enrollee next week

Georgia Tech signee Bryce Gowdy dies (https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/georgia-tech-signee-bryce-gowdy-dies/QNOU6m2sMJI4E9ZHTLyH8L/)

[tarcone]

"Sidewalk alums" are the scourge of a lot of fanbases

ISU fans call them Tavern Hoks in Iowa.

Sorry about the loss of the young man. Always a horrible thing when a young person dies.

[Honolulu_Blue]

They’re called “Wal-Mart Wolverines” here.

[RendeR]

They’re called “Wal-Mart Wolverines” here.


Thats the whole fanbase though....:devil:

[RendeR]

THe reversal on the catch/fumble was huge in that it was a huge lift at the time and would have propelled the team further but then gets derailed by first the reversal, then the interception by fields.

That entire turnover/non turnover swap was the biggest dynamic change in the game.


That said it was a very GOOD game, officiating aside.

I think LSU wrecks Clemson.

[CU Tiger]

I think LSU wrecks Clemson.

I think this will be interesting.
Going into Saturday I said the Clemson-OSU game was for the national championship. Lsu sure looked impressive against Oklahoma though.

Without question this LSU offense is the most dynamic offense Ive seen in college football.

But their Defense 1-11 is a, significant notch below Ohio State in my opinion.

As a fan I feel very nervous going against this LSU monster.

My analytical mind however says last year's Bama team was the most dynamic offense I'd ever seen before this year's LSU team. Of course the front 4 for Clemson this year doesnt compare to last year.

If Clemson wins this game, and I think they have a real chance to either win or to get blown out by LSU, the story after the game will be how LSU out gained Clemson but couldnt convert in the redzone. Much like OSU in the first half and much like Bama in last year's NCG. Close observers will notice that is Venable's MO against explosive offenses. Shrink the field and neutralize the athletic component. Allow them to move, keep it in front and then clamp down in the red zone.

I hope he can do it again.

I also think there is something to be learned from the LSU-Auburn film.

Finally I think without hesitation this is the best offense LSU has seen this year as well.

Who wins?
It'll be fun. I'll be there stirring shit with the coonasses though thats for sure.

[CU Tiger]

dola - specifically regarding the catch/no catch..

Its the only play I can ever remember feeling this precise way about. I think the final call is correct for what happened. I thought live it was incomplete and watching replay I still feel that way. However I do not think it should have been overturned.

[Butter]

dola - specifically regarding the catch/no catch..

Its the only play I can ever remember feeling this precise way about. I think the final call is correct for what happened. I thought live it was incomplete and watching replay I still feel that way. However I do not think it should have been overturned.

100% agree.

[JPhillips]

I get Venables' plan, but the Bucks would have scored twice if Dobbins could have held onto the ball.

[Butter]

Fields would've thrown 4 picks if 2 DBs could hold onto the ball. Lots of ifs in this game.

[JPhillips]

Fields would've thrown 4 picks if 2 DBs could hold onto the ball. Lots of ifs in this game.

But that has nothing to do with the contention that Clemson wins by limiting red zone drives to field goals. Twice in the first half it had nothing to do with the defense, but instead ended in three because of drops by Dobbins.

In the first half, at least, Clemson's defense wasn't the primary reason the Bucks didn't score more.

[Butter]

But that has nothing to do with the contention that Clemson wins by limiting red zone drives to field goals. Twice in the first half it had nothing to do with the defense, but instead ended in three because of drops by Dobbins.

In the first half, at least, Clemson's defense wasn't the primary reason the Bucks didn't score more.

Not covering Dobbins out of the backfield was definitely part of the gameplan. Witness how quickly they marched down the field using him on the final drive. They were willing to allow him to beat them catching the ball if he could. He could not.

[JPhillips]

One he was covered pretty well and one was a screen where the whole defense was fooled.

It's okay to say that Clemson wasn't perfect. They won. They deserved to win. But they also benefited from OSU mistakes.

[tarcone]

Turn 0-3 in the red zone to 3-3 and its 28-0 and the game is over.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Report: Bryce Gowdy's death ruled suicide (https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/georgia-tech-signee-bryce-gowdy-death-ruled-suicide/yAH0gMkGn4wJWdOkvKvEFJ/)

[JPhillips]

Fuck depression. What a tragedy for the family.

[CU Tiger]

Turn 0-3 in the red zone to 3-3 and its 28-0 and the game is over.

Absolutely.
All I'm saying is Clemson had something to do with that.
OSU is a hell of a team. They played a hell of a game. They could have won for sure.

I'm not arguing any of that.

[tarcone]

Not arguing, just pointing out the ineptness of OSU or the red zone defense of Clemson was the deciding factor.

[MrBug708]

The loser of the PAC-12 championship game is now 0-8 in bowl games

[Butter]

One he was covered pretty well and one was a screen where the whole defense was fooled.

It's okay to say that Clemson wasn't perfect. They won. They deserved to win. But they also benefited from OSU mistakes.

I mean they were down 16-0 which easily could've been 24-0 or worse. Each team benefitted from mistakes of the other at one point or the other. It really all came down to the last 3 minutes where one team executed and the other didn't.

[HerRealName]

I was in a masochistic mood the other day and rewatched the game. Here are a couple takeaways:

1. Fields is a very good college QB but Lawrence is a generational type QB. He's the difference in this game.

2. Fields' injury had a big impact on the red zone issues. No excuse there, it's just a part of the game.

3. Clemson had some amazing play calls that made a big impact. That first interception trapped Fields completely. The CB blitzed and it looked like Victor was going to be open for a huge play. Simmons covers about 30 yards in 2 seconds and gets the easy pick.

The last Clemson TB was a thing of beauty. It looked like a power run play for Lawrence all the way until Etienne popped out of the backfield and the jump pass. Just kind of a tip of the hat type of situation.

I fully expect Clemson to give LSU a great game. I'm really looking forward to what Venables does to confuse Burrow. Venables did a great job making the adjustment to the OSU run game and Day found the counter a little too late to take advantage.

[miami_fan]

Report: Bryce Gowdy's death ruled suicide (https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/report-bryce-gowdy-death-ruled-suicide/SWc3PJ5EmH1NehZirDrcqI/)

Not sure what happened to your link Jon so I am adding one from the local paper. Suicide was my initial thought when I read the story. Some of the details in the local story are particularly heartbreaking but all too familiar.

Teen football star Bryce Gowdy’s death ruled a suicide - South Florida Sun-Sentinel (https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/deerfield-beach/fl-ne-bryce-gowdy-mental-health-20200101-ryf43wlw25e6too3bdce6lt35i-story.html)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Not sure what happened to your link Jon so I am adding one from the local paper. Suicide was my initial thought when I read the story. Some of the details in the local story are particularly heartbreaking but all too familiar.

Teen football star Bryce Gowdy’s death ruled a suicide - South Florida Sun-Sentinel (https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/deerfield-beach/fl-ne-bryce-gowdy-mental-health-20200101-ryf43wlw25e6too3bdce6lt35i-story.html)

I didn't even realize they'd broken my original link. I've repaired it now with the new URL, I think it must have gotten broken when they updated the original story.

[JonInMiddleGA]

QB Brock Vandagriff pulls commitment to Oklahoma (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28404845/qb-brock-vandagriff-pulls-commitment-oklahoma)

Despite playing for the local main rival, this kid is the best QB I've seen on the field here in the last decade. Not anything close even, incredibly dangerous with his arms and his legs. (I'd take him as a HS sophomore over the local kid Johnson that's now LSU bound as their next big thing)

Reading between the lines in his statement, which mentions the difficulty in going so far from home to play, I suspect that his largely lost season due to injury played a role in his outlook/attitude about it. (Also worth noting, perhaps, that he'd already said he'd reopen recruitment if Riley were to leave OU)

[tarcone]

Well, well, well, Minnesota and Michigan ahead at half time.

Auburn cannot handle Minnys physicality. And Alabama is struggling with UMs strength.

Going to be some interesting football coming up.

[tarcone]

QB Brock Vandagriff pulls commitment to Oklahoma (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28404845/qb-brock-vandagriff-pulls-commitment-oklahoma)

Despite playing for the local main rival, this kid is the best QB I've seen on the field here in the last decade. Not anything close even, incredibly dangerous with his arms and his legs. (I'd take him as a HS sophomore over the local kid Johnson that's now LSU bound as their next big thing)

Reading between the lines in his statement, which mentions the difficulty in going so far from home to play, I suspect that his largely lost season due to injury played a role in his outlook/attitude about it. (Also worth noting, perhaps, that he'd already said he'd reopen recruitment if Riley were to leave OU)

SEC boosters opened up their wallets I see. Let the highest bidder win.

[Edward64]

SEC boosters opened up their wallets I see. Let the highest bidder win.

I'm sure OK boosters can meet any price. It's obviously the quality of women available :)

[tarcone]

I'm sure OK boosters can meet any price. It's obviously the quality of women available :)

Good point, Though, you would think USC would be world beaters.

[cartman]

Texas should have fired their coordinators before every game. That was a fun game to watch as a Longhorns fan.

[JonInMiddleGA]

SEC boosters opened up their wallets I see. Let the highest bidder win.

Eh, this feels more like a personality thing to me.

His dad is his HC, he goes to a small Christian school with a K-12 enrollment of 700-800 students total. Missed most of the regular season with a broken foot and I suspect he started thinking about being 1,000 miles from home if a similar injury occurred.

Plus his mother is a double SEC grad (Auburn BS, Miss State Masters) and Dad graduated from Tennessee Wesleyan.

[CU Tiger]

Eh, this feels more like a personality thing to me.

His dad is his HC, he goes to a small Christian school with a K-12 enrollment of 700-800 students total. Missed most of the regular season with a broken foot and I suspect he started thinking about being 1,000 miles from home if a similar injury occurred.

Plus his mother is a double SEC grad (Auburn BS, Miss State Masters) and Dad graduated from Tennessee Wesleyan.

Brock was really really high on Clemson, and his mom wanted him there supposedly.
But the depth chart was apparently his concern.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Rather thorough bedshitting by Baylor against a Georgia team missing a ton of starters.

B12 is looking at 1-5 this bowl season

[Butter]

3. Clemson had some amazing play calls that made a big impact. That first interception trapped Fields completely. The CB blitzed and it looked like Victor was going to be open for a huge play. Simmons covers about 30 yards in 2 seconds and gets the easy pick. .

Isaiah Simmons was recruited as a safety. He won the Butkus Award.

Ohio State's defense had an NFL secondary. Okudah is amazing. Arnette is such a competitor. Losing Wade was so huge.

If this game wasn't in New Orleans I'd be extremely confident that Clemson is winning this game. As it is, I think LSU is being overrated for destroying OU. But Clemson can't come out slow against LSU, or it will be a 20+ point deficit.

[tarcone]

B12 sucks. Why do you think a team that was essentially given a death penalty won 11 games 2 years later?

[Butter]

This Rose Bowl protected 7 hour time slot needs to die. Yes I know I'm exaggerating. Yes I agree it's a special game. But only 4 games on New Year's with the final one ending sometime past 12:30 AM EST is some bullshit, and a lot of it has to do with accommodating the Rose Bowl.

[tarcone]

This Rose Bowl protected 7 hour time slot needs to die. Yes I know I'm exaggerating. Yes I agree it's a special game. But only 4 games on New Year's with the final one ending sometime past 12:30 AM EST is some bullshit, and a lot of it has to do with accommodating the Rose Bowl.

As a B1G fan. I was going to say something derogatory, but I wont. I will say that you are wrong. It is the granddaddy of them all and as long as we have a bowl system, you better get used to it.

The Rose bowl IS THE BEST

[Atocep]

B12 sucks. Why do you think a team that was essentially given a death penalty won 11 games 2 years later?

The NCAA hasn't even sanction Baylor yet. Penn State was actually sanctioned and didn't have a losing season. What's that say about the Big 10?

[Butter]

The CFP semis can only be on New Year's Day once every 3 years because the Rose Bowl HAS to be at 2 PM PST or whatever. I like the game fine, but there's no reason that it is the only game that is inflexible.

[bhlloy]

The CFP semis can only be on New Year's Day once every 3 years because the Rose Bowl HAS to be at 2 PM PST or whatever. I like the game fine, but there's no reason that it is the only game that is inflexible.

There is though, because it's the parade first, and the whole pageantry and history, plus all the money that TV makes off it all... you're essentially saying screw all of that just because it makes the later bowls finish past your bedtime.

[Butter]

There is though, because it's the parade first, and the whole pageantry and history.

This is some great reasoning

[CU Tiger]

I think this is one of those regional things.
Growing up in the SE the rose bowl is somewhere around the Citrus/Peach Bowl to me in terms of perceived importance.
Significantly behind the Orange, Sugar, Cotton and significantly ahead of the Tangerine, Blue Bonnet, Liberty Tier.

When I was younger and les traveled I never understood the whole "Grandaddy of them all" moniker or what the big deal was. Now I understand its cultural significance to that portion of the country and Ill watch the football. Still never going to watch the parade or halftime BS.

[ISiddiqui]

There is though, because it's the parade first, and the whole pageantry and history, plus all the money that TV makes off it all... you're essentially saying screw all of that just because it makes the later bowls finish past your bedtime.

This is some great reasoning

It is though, because of the stuff you cut off in your post. The pageantry and history leads to the oodles of money that TV makes off it. Everyone knows about the Rose Bowl Parade and people will watch that even if they don't give two shits about football or the game.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The CFP semis can only be on New Year's Day once every 3 years because the Rose Bowl HAS to be at 2 PM PST or whatever. I like the game fine, but there's no reason that it is the only game that is inflexible.

Actually there is: the TV contract ESPN signed with them in 2012 prior to the details of the playoff even being worked out. That deal runs through Jan 1 2026 and costs ESPN an average $80m a year. The separate playoff deal for ESPN costs them an average of $470m a year.

And when one network has virtually all the bowl games overlap is a pretty big no-no, you're competing against yourself and that'd be kinda dumb (I was surprised that they allowed it at 1p yesterday honestly).

When you pays the money, you makes the rules. And sometimes your own contracts make the rules for you.

(And it's 4p Eastern that's the kickoff guarantee, though that's neither here nor there really)

[Butter]

I get that the Rose Bowl thing is negotiated into the TV contract. Arguing that it shouldn't be. The 2 semifinals should be on New Year's Day. I also get that ESPN is not thrilled about major overlap between the bowls. However, there used to be 5-6 games, including 3-4 early games, even just a couple of years ago. Much more enjoyable, for me at least.

Just wondering why the pageantry would be so markedly reduced by being on December 31st or January 2nd.

[JPhillips]

All the bowls should be done by the end of Jan 1 and then the playoffs should take eight or nine days(depending on where Sunday falls) to complete the two rounds. Putting the semis in the middle of the bowls diminishes them and there's no need for two weeks between rounds.

[ISiddiqui]

Just wondering why the pageantry would be so markedly reduced by being on December 31st or January 2nd.

Sooo… you don't understand why the pageantry would be reduced if the game wasn't after the Rose Parade? Because they are never moving that thing from New Year's Day.

Back when the BCS changed the Rose Bowl date, to move it from the parade, people got really mad which is why they probably won't decouple that again.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I get that the Rose Bowl thing is negotiated into the TV contract. Arguing that it shouldn't be.

Except that ESPN bent over backwards to make sure they had the Rose. They offered more than double the previous amount just to lock them up.
Rose would have been nuts to say no.

If that's what ESPN felt the value was and was willing to make that offer, who are we to tell them they can't?


However, there used to be 5-6 games, including 3-4 early games, even just a couple of years ago.

Haven't had 6 since 2014. 5 has been the most common number over the past decade, dropped to 4 this year because the Fiesta was a semi-final BUT the Fiesta has only played on 1/1 eight times in the past 20 years anyway.
Historical significance of college football New Year's Day bowls (https://saturdayblitz.com/2019/12/22/historical-significance-college-football-new-years-day-bowls/)

Basically, there's nobody left to move to Jan 1 (or Jan 2 if a Sunday 1/1). Nearly 1/3rd of the bowls are now owned by ESPN so those won't be moved into competition obviously, and most of the rest are loathe to compete with the bigger traditional names.

[tarcone]

All the bowls should be done by the end of Jan 1 and then the playoffs should take eight or nine days(depending on where Sunday falls) to complete the two rounds. Putting the semis in the middle of the bowls diminishes them and there's no need for two weeks between rounds.

I agree. And the 13 days between the semis and NC game is way to long.

I like your idea.

[ISiddiqui]

I know they want to avoid the NFL playoffs, but I don't see why the semis can't be on the 6th and 7th and then the NCG on the 13th?

[CU Tiger]

I agree. And the 13 days between the semis and NC game is way to long.

I like your idea.

I personally like the extra week.
It always seemed strange to get 4 weeks to prepare for the semifinal game and 1 week for the championship game.

I wish we could get it off Christmas week though. I'm sure the kids dont mind but I wish ever kid had the option to be with their family on Christmas day.

[Butter]

Sooo… you don't understand why the pageantry would be reduced if the game wasn't after the Rose Parade? Because they are never moving that thing from New Year's Day.

Back when the BCS changed the Rose Bowl date, to move it from the parade, people got really mad which is why they probably won't decouple that again.

Not that I don't understand, I just don't care.

Got proof of "people (getting) really mad"?

[tarcone]

I feel like the officiating in the bowl games has been subpar this year. Is it just a roll over from poor officiating during the season? Dont the best refs get the games? If so, these are the best?

[JonInMiddleGA]

I feel like the officiating in the bowl games has been subpar this year. Is it just a roll over from poor officiating during the season? Dont the best refs get the games? If so, these are the best?

It's been pretty shite across bowl season. Some look like they wish they had sat out like some players do. Very much feels like replay has been treated like a crutch, moreso than I'm used to seeing.

[Atocep]

Very much feels like replay has been treated like a crutch, moreso than I'm used to seeing.

I was bitching about this to a friend of mine. College and NFL refs are making calls with replay in mind and it's annoying as hell.

[cartman]

The Gator Bowl ended up being an really entertaining game

[Edward64]

The Gator Bowl ended up being an really entertaining game

Agree. Close till the end.

[Kodos]

Heartbreaking to lose after having a 13 point lead with 5ish minutes left in the fourth. Not sure why we weren’t ready for the onside kick. Tough way to end our best season since I was in college. Good game, Tennessee. Wish we could have pulled this one out.

[Galaril]

Also with that win the SEC goes 7-2 and the BIG 10 4-5 in the Bowl games for those that keep track.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Heartbreaking to lose after having a 13 point lead with 5ish minutes left in the fourth. Not sure why we weren’t ready for the onside kick. Tough way to end our best season since I was in college. Good game, Tennessee. Wish we could have pulled this one out.

With a backup QB and without your leading rusher it was a pretty good effort.

[Edward64]

Also with that win the SEC goes 7-2 and the BIG 10 4-5 in the Bowl games for those that keep track.

Yay SEC ... but won't mean that much unless LSU beats Clemson.

[Lathum]

Read the other day the last 20 years Rutgers has 6 bowl wins and Michigan 5.

[Kodos]

With a backup QB and without your leading rusher it was a pretty good effort.

Yeah, I'm proud of the way we hung in there. It could have easily started 21-0 instead of 6-0, but our defense kept us in it until our offense finally started to find it's footing in the second half. And certainly, Michael Penix is a more dynamic QB than Peyton Ramsey, but Ramsey has started about 2.5 seasons worth of games now, so he is a solid backup. Our run game definitely missed Stevie Scott. It was asking a lot of our freshman RB to try to fill in for him.

Overall, Ramsey saved our season after Penix went down. I hope Ramsey sticks around for his senior year, as there are worries about Penix's durability.

You guys totally took our top WR (Whop Philyor) out of the game. Usually he is a game-changer, but he barely had anything thrown his way last night.

[HomerSimpson98]

Moorhead out (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/mississippi-state-fires-joe-moorhead-after-just-two-seasons-as-head-coach/)




A little surprised by this

[CU Tiger]

Moorhead out (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/mississippi-state-fires-joe-moorhead-after-just-two-seasons-as-head-coach/)




A little surprised by this

A lot of smoke around Billy Napier

[tarcone]

Moorhead had no control over his players. His players tried to fight Iowa players while visiting a childrens hospital before last years outback bowl. Classless.

This season his QB didnt play for getting into a fight with a LBer.

Seems like he was in over his head.

[Edward64]

Currently

The Bayou Bengals are 5.5-point favorites and the over-under for total points scored is 69.5 in the latest LSU vs. Clemson odds.

My guess is LSU will cover. Not sure about the over-under.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Jake Fromm declares for the draft. Let the speculation about graduate transfers heading to Athens begin in earnest.

(My eye lands on K.J. Costello as a legit possibility, who knows whether I'm right or not though)

[bob]

Phil Jurkovec has entered the transfer portal... wonder where he ends up.

Half the fan base believed the staff did not trust him enough to execute the full playbook when given opportunities, and the other half believed he should be the starter purely based on his recruiting ranking.

Kinda surprised he didn't stick out this year, graduate, and then transfer vs sitting out a year, but if you haven't passed Ian Book by this point, you probably aren't going to.

Edit: As someone has posted elsewhere, ND has a procedure for this. Outgoing ND QBs transfer to a Florida school and then get benched.
(Wimbush -> UCF, Golson -> FSU, Zaire -> Florida)

[CU Tiger]

Jake Fromm declares for the draft. Let the speculation about graduate transfers heading to Athens begin in earnest.

(My eye lands on K.J. Costello as a legit possibility, who knows whether I'm right or not though)

Stick the name Chase Brice in your back pocket.
Pro style QB from Grayson...at Clemson...has graduated. Grew up a Dawg fan.
Behind Lawrence and now DJU..

[CU Tiger]

Currently



My guess is LSU will cover. Not sure about the over-under.

I'll probably regret this but I played Clemson moneyline and UNDER

[henry296]

Phil Jurkovec has entered the transfer portal... wonder where he ends up.

Half the fan base believed the staff did not trust him enough to execute the full playbook when given opportunities, and the other half believed he should be the starter purely based on his recruiting ranking.

Kinda surprised he didn't stick out this year, graduate, and then transfer vs sitting out a year, but if you haven't passed Ian Book by this point, you probably aren't going to.

Edit: As someone has posted elsewhere, ND has a procedure for this. Outgoing ND QBs transfer to a Florida school and then get benched.

Interesting. I was talking to my brother about him doing the graduate transfer thing and coming back home to Pittsburgh. Pickett has 1 more year and then there would be an opening at Pitt.

[Atocep]

Leach to Mississippi State sounding likely?

[bob]

The Egg Bowl will be fun for the few years these guys are both in Mississippi.

[Atocep]

The Egg Bowl will be fun for the few years these guys are both in Mississippi.

I'm not sure if I can think of a worse fit in college football than Mike Leach in Starkville.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm not sure if I can think of a worse fit in college football than Mike Leach in Starkville.

Actually, my son noted that he wouldn't even particularly stand out as unusual there lol

[Atocep]

Actually, my son noted that he wouldn't even particularly stand out as unusual there lol

LOL

I get ya, but he's still going to have to win quickly or his act will get old fast.

I'm not sure they'd appreciate the SoCal guy coming in to lose 7 in a row to Ole Miss, listen to him talk about how the game isn't a big deal, and then whine that Ole Miss recruits better so they should win anyway.

[dawgfan]

I'm not sure they'd appreciate the SoCal guy...

Isn't he from Wyoming originally? Has he ever spent time in SoCal?

[Atocep]

Isn't he from Wyoming originally? Has he ever spent time in SoCal?

Eh, google says he basically grew up all over the western part of the US. He moved 8 times by age 12 (Colorado, Wyoming, and California).

So I guess he really isn't really a SoCal guy.

[albionmoonlight]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leach says he likes the gritty toughness of a place like Mississippi State. &quot;Everyone is not running around in linen suits,” he says.</p>&mdash; Alex Scarborough (@AlexS_ESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexS_ESPN/status/1215706592621912064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yet another blue collar fan base gets a new coach.

Just once I want a football coach to take over a college or pro program and said that he really appreciates the white-collar, educated professional nature of the city he's moving to. And that he's going to build a smart, sophisticated team to reflect the smart and sophisticated fan base.

[QuikSand]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mississippi State was reportedly linked to both Steve Sarkisian and Todd Grantham before hiring Mike Leach.<br><br>That’s like trying to decide between two different kinds of vanilla ice cream and then buying a grenade launcher.</p>&mdash; Justin Ferguson (@JFergusonAU) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFergusonAU/status/1215349169499648001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[HomerSimpson98]

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Yet another blue collar fan base gets a new coach.

Just once I want a football coach to take over a college or pro program and said that he really appreciates the white-collar, educated professional nature of the city he's moving to. And that he's going to build a smart, sophisticated team to reflect the smart and sophisticated fan base.


I think this may be a rim shot at the school that gave us The Piss and Miss.


Because God knows, Lubbock, Texas isnt filled with dudes in linen suits.

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Shit this got me ready to play. And I'm an old guy who likes to eat too many Snickers bars

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[PilotMan]

Incredible finish in the FCS title game. ABC got their money's worth today.

[CU Tiger]

Incredible finish in the FCS title game. ABC got their money's worth today.

No doubt...great game.
I want to hope Monday's game is as exciting but not sure my heart can handle it

[PilotMan]

Trey Lance proved he's the real deal today. I still don't know how ran ran for a 44yd TD on a 3rd and 22. He won the Jerry Rice (FCS Best Freshman) and became the FIRST FRESHMAN EVER to win the Walter Payton Award (FCS Best Player), plus he was MVP in the National Championship game. What an absolute weapon. He is the reason for the 16-0 season!



I was really happy they didn't overturn that 4th down play for JMU. It was so close, it could have gone either way. I was glad they at least got the chance to keep playing instead of having the refs end the game on a stupid review.



I thought JMU should have run with a time out and 8 seconds to play. They had had success all game, and instead their QB throws the pick in the endzone to seal it.



Would any of you believe that the Bison were 2 point underdogs going into this game? I would have take the points and the even money they were handing out!

[CU Tiger]

Trey Lance proved he's the real deal today. I still don't know how ran ran for a 44yd TD on a 3rd and 22. He won the Jerry Rice (FCS Best Freshman) and became the FIRST FRESHMAN EVER to win the Walter Payton Award (FCS Best Player), plus he was MVP in the National Championship game. What an absolute weapon. He is the reason for the 16-0 season!



I was really happy they didn't overturn that 4th down play for JMU. It was so close, it could have gone either way. I was glad they at least got the chance to keep playing instead of having the refs end the game on a stupid review.



I thought JMU should have run with a time out and 8 seconds to play. They had had success all game, and instead their QB throws the pick in the endzone to seal it.



Would any of you believe that the Bison were 2 point underdogs going into this game? I would have take the points and the even money they were handing out!

A drinking game where everytime they mentioned the walter payton award that trey won would have landed you in the hospital. LOL.
My wife pointed it out and we started counting and got to 11 mentions AFTER she had heard it enough to say .."WTF"

He played an amazing game. Fist I had had a chance to watch him. Impressed.

Coach Houston at JMU had recruited my son. Well more accurately Coaches Shankweiler and Sims recruited him. New staff wasnt as interested so we had some extra juice pulling for the Bison...lol

[Thomkal]

Congrats to the Bison!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Well more accurately Coaches Shankweiler and Sims recruited him.

As in former Griffin HS head coach Steve Shankweiler?

[Bobble]

The announcers harping on JMU clock management at the end gave me an uncomfortable "you're watching second-class football" vibe that I didn't care for. Maybe that was just me...

Great game, though.

[CU Tiger]

As in former Griffin HS head coach Steve Shankweiler?

That’s him!

[JonInMiddleGA]

That’s him!

I covered his two seasons at Griffin, arrived the same year he did. He had the tough task of following their local legend HC (Lloyd Bohannon, who would sit in the stands on the visitors side and hold court during games).

I liked Shank. His replacement a couple years later, umm, not so much (Daryl Jones would last two years and then become the on-campus recruiting coordinator at UGA)

[PilotMan]

This was shared and is completely valid for people thinking NDSU has to move up. Plus it doesn't even deal with recruiting problems.

Some perspective for everyone standing outside the campus of NDSU holding a pitchfork and a torch calling for the Bison to move up to FBS:

1. NDSU is a public school, meaning that its primary funding source is the State of North Dakota.

2. The State of North Dakota is funded exclusively by tax money.

3. The State of North Dakota cannot give money to NDSU that it doesn’t first take from the public.

4. Moving up to FBS will cost somewhere between $50-$100 million when it’s all said and done between expanding the Fargodome to meet NCAA FBS requirements and all related infrastructure improvements, increased number of academic scholarships for the athletes, coaching staff compensation, athletic department budget, etc.

5. The overwhelming majority of the costs of moving up to FBS will likely be footed by the State of ND.

6. To come up with the money needed to cover the bill, the state will have to increase its tax revenue.

7. Who in their right mind wants to see their taxes go up just to see some sportscasters/talking heads shut up over the issue of how a college football team funded by said taxpayers is “too good for the division they’re in and need to move up” or something to that extent?

8. NDSU doesn’t need to move up, everyone else in the FCS just needs to get better and show the NCAA that D1 football doesn’t need to have 2 tiers.

The moral? Everything has a catch, and it’s often found in the 2nd half of the story that no one ever talks about, which is why it’s usually located there.

[jbergey22]

I feel like LSU are the public darlings rights now. Clemson with their big game experience and excellent coaching +6 points seems right to me. If we take away the semi-final games LSU is no more than a 2 point favorite.

Also, interesting enough is the total has shot down from 69.5 down to 66.5.

I think the Isaiah Simmons factor is underrated right now. I also think the fact that while Clemson didnt always put up video game numbers on a weekly basis they have as strong of an offense as LSU. Both teams are strong at QB/WR, and offensive line but Id clearly take Etienne over Edwards-Helaire. In any case this should be one spectacular game.

[JonInMiddleGA]

NDSU doesn’t need to move up, everyone else in the FCS just needs to get better

This holds true regardless of any other points.

But we live in a participation trophy world, so the whining is almost inevitable.

I-AA has had dynastic teams since it's inception. Granted, NDSU has taken that to the next level but it's not really new.

79-82 -- Eastern Kentucky in 4 straight title games, 2 wins
85-90 -- Georgia Southern in 5 of 6 title games, 4 wins
91-94 -- Youngstown State in 4 straight title games, 3 wins
and 6 of 9, with 4 titles
05-07 -- Appy State, 3 straight titles

And none of this comes remotely close to what Mount Union has done in DIII (as previously discussed here I'm sure). And that's with Wisconsin-Whitewater having a dynastic run of their own second only to MU.

If programs are playing by the same rules you are then get better, or get your ass kicked.

[BYU 14]

Yeah, I don't get the Bison need to move up to FBS bullshit. They have constructed a system that allows them to excel and if anything other teams in FCS should be copying them!

I mentioned it before, but one of my players from Westview Jordan Champion was a multi-year starter there and has 5 rings. His story is a perfect example of what the Bison do better than anybody and that is identify kids with FBS talent that lack FBS measurables.

Jordan is a perfect example. Got lots of recruiting love but little in the way of offers because of his size. But he had an amazing work ethic and was an exceptional athlete, who I knew would succeed if given a shot.

Hated the cold up there and was not sure about the location as it was a culture shock coming from Phoenix. But he fell in love with the atmosphere and passion and bought into the vision of the program and had a successful college career.

NDSU continually identifies and recruits kids like Champ and they have a culture kids can thrive in and of course they win. So instead of complaining about their success start finding ways to emulate.

[Chief Rum]

This was shared and is completely valid for people thinking NDSU has to move up. Plus it doesn't even deal with recruiting problems.

Some perspective for everyone standing outside the campus of NDSU holding a pitchfork and a torch calling for the Bison to move up to FBS:

1. NDSU is a public school, meaning that its primary funding source is the State of North Dakota.

2. The State of North Dakota is funded exclusively by tax money.

3. The State of North Dakota cannot give money to NDSU that it doesn’t first take from the public.

4. Moving up to FBS will cost somewhere between $50-$100 million when it’s all said and done between expanding the Fargodome to meet NCAA FBS requirements and all related infrastructure improvements, increased number of academic scholarships for the athletes, coaching staff compensation, athletic department budget, etc.

5. The overwhelming majority of the costs of moving up to FBS will likely be footed by the State of ND.

6. To come up with the money needed to cover the bill, the state will have to increase its tax revenue.

7. Who in their right mind wants to see their taxes go up just to see some sportscasters/talking heads shut up over the issue of how a college football team funded by said taxpayers is “too good for the division they’re in and need to move up” or something to that extent?

8. NDSU doesn’t need to move up, everyone else in the FCS just needs to get better and show the NCAA that D1 football doesn’t need to have 2 tiers.

The moral? Everything has a catch, and it’s often found in the 2nd half of the story that no one ever talks about, which is why it’s usually located there.

I think it's stupid for non-NDSU people to get bent out of shape about what level NDSU plays at. Only NDSU and its affiliations themselves should have a say or care about making that move.

But your logic list is crap. It's not wrong. One point follows to the next. But that's the way government works. Every university deals with it. Almost every university's AD operates in the red and exists only because of support from their school's general fund, the vast majority of the money for which comes from state taxes. NDSU isn't in some special situation which exempts it from having to decide whether or not it makes the jump to FBS.

[Logan]

Think this game is going to be really fun and really close. Excited for tonight. Don’t have a pick so I’d take the points.

[HomerSimpson98]

I feel like LSU are the public darlings rights now. Clemson with their big game experience and excellent coaching +6 points seems right to me. If we take away the semi-final games LSU is no more than a 2 point favorite.

Also, interesting enough is the total has shot down from 69.5 down to 66.5.

I think the Isaiah Simmons factor is underrated right now. I also think the fact that while Clemson didnt always put up video game numbers on a weekly basis they have as strong of an offense as LSU. Both teams are strong at QB/WR, and offensive line but Id clearly take Etienne over Edwards-Helaire. In any case this should be one spectacular game.




Nice analysis. I cant wait either.



LSU are definitely the darlings, but Dabo and Venables can coach their asses off and I think they'll have something special for Burreaux. Having said that, if Clemson cant get to the QB, he'll pick them apart. Worried about the Clemson safeties against the LSU slot WRs.



I got the under at 70 and am pleased with that, but i can also see this turning into a shootout. I'm thinking LSU by 7-10 but I'm not that confident. Dabo will have his boys ready.

[JonInMiddleGA]

This is an article from 2017 but there's something in it that seems kind of useful for the NDSU discussion

Financial report shows Georgia Southern athletics with surplus for 2016 - News - Savannah Morning News - Savannah, GA (https://www.savannahnow.com/news/sports/2017-07-06/financial-report-shows-georgia-southern-athletics-surplus-2016)

The article mentions the cost increases from their final FCS days to their 3rd year (at the time) as an FBS program

Georgia Southern has devoted just over $8 million for coaching salaries across all sports, up from nearly $3.5 million in 2013 - the last year the Eagles were FCS in football. The Eagles are also paying nearly $6 million in scholarships, almost $2 million more than 2013, and renovations to Hanner Fieldhouse and Clements Stadium have led to $6.6 million in facility expenses, up from just $1.3 million in 2015.

So basically their salaries doubled and their scholarship expenses tripled, facility costs tripled as well due to renovations.

The story also notes that "university funds" were not their largest source of revenue, it was actually "student fees" by a tiny margin. Each were about 4x the revenue generated by ticket sales and about 2x what was received in contributions.

[JPhillips]

What a BS headline. After subsidies they had a surplus, but hell I can make my household budget work a lot better with extra money from students, too.

[JonInMiddleGA]

What a BS headline. After subsidies they had a surplus, but hell I can make my household budget work a lot better with extra money from students, too.

Student activity fees are a primary source of revenue for most programs in Georgia - at every level afaik. (Not true at GT and UGA afaik, but other than those two, likely the case at all the rest)

[JPhillips]

Sure. According to the USA Today database only a few D1 athletics programs break even without funds from the university/students. I just don't think a surplus = having money left over after the university kicks in a bunch of money.

I know it will never happen, but I favor an NCAA policy of, you can do almost anything so long as you balance your budget and get no money from the university/students.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Sure. According to the USA Today database only a few D1 athletics programs break even without funds from the university/students. I just don't think a surplus = having money left over after the university kicks in a bunch of money.

I know it will never happen, but I favor an NCAA policy of, you can do almost anything so long as you balance your budget and get no money from the university/students.

The benefits do outweigh the costs in many cases. It's the best marketing money most of them can spend.

[JPhillips]

Maybe for top programs, but Rutgers pulling thirty some million for athletics certainly doesn't seem like a good investment. When you get to smaller D1 programs it looks even worse. I looked a few years ago and Morehead St. was giving @10 mil to athletics. There's no way a school like that is making a good investment.

[Edward64]

Stare down at the coin flip.

[cuervo72]

The benefits do outweigh the costs in many cases. It's the best marketing money most of them can spend.

Now I'm wondering how many more applicants NDSU would get from states other than ND or MN were they D-I.

(Looking at their stats...they admit 94% of applicants? That's an astounding number to me.)

[spleen1015]

Who wants to go to college in ND?

[jbergey22]

Burrow is on fire since the first couple of drives. Lawrence needs to find his rhythm as he missing a few throws he cant miss in this type of game.

[Drake]

Almost every university's AD operates in the red and exists only because of support from their school's general fund, the vast majority of the money for which comes from state taxes.

Picking a nit, but at least in my state the bit about "the vast majority of the money for which comes from state taxes" is patently false. So false, in fact, that in Indiana, there are serious discussions going on among various university presidents to end the state school charade and go private. Last I heard, the state's contribution to IU was around 17% of our revenue.

https://bfc.indiana.edu/meetings/2018-2019/circulars/B29-2019.pdf

[JPhillips]

Damn, that QB run was a ballsy call.

[CU Tiger]

Great first half.
Electric crowd on both sides.
Clemson has to settle down and make this a 4th quarter game or it’s going to get bad.
Offensive play calling has to calm down. The run is there for Clemson and not the Zone read or the sprint draw...but the inside zone and off tackle power are there all night . Take the ball away from Burrow and move it.

Go Tigers! (The orange variety)

[jbergey22]

Big possession coming out of the half. Clemson needs a stop.

Clemson rarely loses that middle 8. Final four of the first half, first four of the 2nd half.

Clemson has had nice success on them delayed pass route plays with TEs and RBs. I think they need to stick with that a bit more.

[CU Tiger]

Tough call on the targeting.
Same rule from the OSU call though.
I hate the rule but it’s the right call.

Oh well tough way to end your career Skalski.

[Edward64]

Entertaining game so far.

[jbergey22]

Bad Call. Had to figure the Pac-12 crew would eventually make a key mistake.

And if this is a showcase of next level QBs. Joe Burrow is on another level than Lawrence right now.

[bhlloy]

ahahaha... I thought I recognized that doofus ref from somewhere. What a joke to have the worst referees in the country doing the biggest game of the year.

[Edward64]

And ... its over with the fumble at 4 min left to play.

The Burrows show. I've seen great College QBs fail in the NFL but hope he does great. I wish him all the best at Cincy.

[JonInMiddleGA]

That felt more thorough than it looked, if that makes sense.

[jbergey22]

And ... its over with the fumble at 4 min left to play.

The Burrows show. I've seen great College QBs fail in the NFL but hope he does great. I wish him all the best at Cincy.

He is just an impressive QB. I cant believe he is not considered a sure thing by the "experts". He was throwing 20-40 yard throws in a tight window and making it look routine. He set the completion percentage record and touchdown record playing in the SEC.

In the pregame they were talking more about Lawrence as a NFL quarterback.

I think the Bengals catch a break this year. Although they just might be a franchise dumb enough to trade the opportunity for him.

[jbergey22]

That felt more thorough than it looked, if that makes sense.

Yeah, from the 2nd quarter on LSU dominated that game.

[Brian Swartz]

I think one reason Burrows isn't considered a sure thing is that the 'expert' take seems to be that there's no such thing as that anymore. There's too many ways for a QB especially to fail in making the jump to the NFL.

[stevew]

Getting drafted by the Bengals seems like a surefire way to fail.

[albionmoonlight]

As a casual LSU fan, I enjoyed the heck out of this season. The stars align only so often to let you have the mix of players, coaching, and injury luck that leads to a championship season. So I jumped on that bandwagon and enjoyed the ride.

And it will be interesting to see the LSU system next year without Burrow and Burrow next year without the LSU system. I have no idea what was the chicken there and what was the egg.

[albionmoonlight]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cop threatened to arrest LSU players for smoking cigars in the locker room after winning the national championship <a href="https://t.co/pKrrdynQMk">https://t.co/pKrrdynQMk</a></p>&mdash; Laura Wagner (@laurawags) <a href="https://twitter.com/laurawags/status/1217077561467031554?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If the officer had followed through, it is funny to imagine the reaction in Louisiana to the local police officer who arrested LSU players for smoking cigars right after they won the national title.

I imagine that he would end up being a police officer somewhere other than Louisiana pretty soon.

[HomerSimpson98]

Tough call on the targeting.
Same rule from the OSU call though.
I hate the rule but it’s the right call.

Oh well tough way to end your career Skalski.


I hate, hate, hate, hate this damn rule. I get the player safety aspect but the penalty is too severe. IMHO, they need to focus on intent to kick players out of the game. Or make it a 2-strike penalty then you go.


There's also too many damn reviews. Make it like the pro game and give coaches 2 challenges a game. This reviewing after every play kills momentum and makes this games too f'ng long.


Great season for the Coon Asses. WIll be interesting to see how good Brady is without Burrow.

[GrantDawg]

I think one reason Burrows isn't considered a sure thing is that the 'expert' take seems to be that there's no such thing as that anymore. There's too many ways for a QB especially to fail in making the jump to the NFL.


I agree, but Burrows definitely feels more "sure" than most. The fact that he has the size, arm strength plus his ability to improve year on year. His legs helps him, but he is not dependent on his legs. My only worry is he does have that "linebacker" mentality, and trying to be tough can get you killed in the NFL.

[Butter]

LSU was just a machine this year. As Clemson, it would be a lot more frustrating if they hadn't already had the success they've had leading up to this year. But as a fan, it always felt like Clemson was going to have to score in the 40's to win. Which ended up being true.

Lawrence was just off and they didn't run the ball for whatever reason. LSU was just a machine, and it's hard to say that you gave up 42 points and over 600 yards and still felt you had a chance, but the fault really lies with the offense. I think Venables did about all he could.

There are real rumblings that Etienne will return for his senior season, and if he does, interesting to see what happens as both were Heisman candidates early but a garbage September really derailed both of their chances. The offensive line is losing a lot.

[Lathum]

They should fire him into the sun

New Orleans police issue arrest warrant for Browns' Odell Beckham Jr. (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28496532/new-orleans-police-issue-arrest-warrant-browns-odell-beckham-jr)

[PilotMan]

They should fire him into the sun

New Orleans police issue arrest warrant for Browns' Odell Beckham Jr. (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28496532/new-orleans-police-issue-arrest-warrant-browns-odell-beckham-jr)


dumbest thing ever

[Kodos]

What an idiot.

[Lathum]

Watching people justify it on Twitter, mostly African Americans, is laughable. I get their relationship with law enforcement is pretty bad, but this isn't the hill to die on.

[molson]

OBJ desperately wanted LSU's win to be all about him.

[Edward64]

dumbest thing ever

The butt slapping or the $?

[Lathum]

The butt slapping or the $?

yes

[PilotMan]

The whole, entire thing is dumb.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm unclear on the butt slapping thing for this reason.

Most accounts are just saying it was the butt slap ... but I've seen one or two that mention that the officer involved is the one that OBJ got into a verbal (?) altercation with when he tried to shut down the celebratory cigars in the LSU locker room.

a) if it's just the butt slap, the charge is pretty silly IMO

b) if there was more than that to it, all bets are probably off

c) that cop needs his head examined for interfering with a traditional celebration, though how you tell the knucklehead that probably requires some finesse (which I doubt OBJ utilized)

[CU Tiger]

pop the espn link above. it has a video.
its both.
Yeah OBJ is a dumbass.
Yea LA police are idiots for trying to arrest kids for smoking victory cigars.

[Atocep]

Dave Aranda to Baylor

Going to be interesting to see how Coach O does without Burrow, Brady, and Aranda.

[HomerSimpson98]

Hate to admit it, but Baylor made another solid hire in Aranda, IMO. No idea how they convinced Rhule to come down but that was a home run.

[Atocep]

Hate to admit it, but Baylor made another solid hire in Aranda, IMO. No idea how they convinced Rhule to come down but that was a home run.

They dodged a bullet with Fuente turning them down.

[tarcone]

Schools with the most players playing the conference title games:

owa & PSU are tied with 7 each
Mississippi ST has 6
Clemson has 5
Bama 4
Michigan 4
Northwestern 4
Stanford 4
Texas A&M 4
UCLA 4
Vandy 4
A bunch have 3 with the likes of Auburn OSU LSU, OU, and Purdue

[Chief Rum]

Schools with the most players playing the conference title games:

owa & PSU are tied with 7 each
Mississippi ST has 6
Clemson has 5
Bama 4
Michigan 4
Northwestern 4
Stanford 4
Texas A&M 4
UCLA 4
Vandy 4
A bunch have 3 with the likes of Auburn OSU LSU, OU, and Purdue

Can someone explain what this is? Trying to wrap my head around what this is saying, and I'm failing.

[miami_fan]

Can someone explain what this is? Trying to wrap my head around what this is saying, and I'm failing.

A breakdown of players by college represented in this weekend's NFL conference title games?

[Chief Rum]

A breakdown of players by college represented in this weekend's NFL conference title games?

Ah ha yes. Thank you.

Couldn't get my mind to latch onto conference title games rwferring to NFL