Official 2019 College Football Thread

[cartman]

The games kick off tomorrow! Miami v. Florida and Arizona at Hawaii. Let the games begin!

[Kodos]

Huzzah!

[cartman]

That was a fun game to start the season

[Kodos]

Florida should drop some after a sloppy game like that one.

[BishopMVP]

Either the Florida D-Line is loaded, or Miami's OL is as bad as FSU's was last year.

[CU Tiger]

Either the Florida D-Line is loaded, or Miami's OL is as bad as FSU's was last year.

I didn't get to watch the game because of family obligations, but....Miami tool an OL last year who basically had no other offers. A kid I've watched in some camps and watched against my son specifically who wasn't very good. Very good kid not a good player...But had some good clay. MIAMI offered and he committed in about 7 seconds. We talked about him locally thought maybe by his senior year he could be a player....then saw he was STARTING at LT...that tells me all I need to know about their OL

[Butter]

No surprise that was the LT, that poor kid got abused all night

[kenbryan]

I can't wait for season to start

[cartman]

Starting tonight, at least one game per day for the next five days.

[JonInMiddleGA]

GT manages 294 yards offense while getting manhandled by Clemson. Despite questionable playcalling and player usage that's the most GT has gained vs Clemson since their last win over the Tigers back in 2014

[JonInMiddleGA]

Give the devil his due a little bit here. Mark Richt isn't awful as a lengthy analysis guy at the desk after a game.

I don't think his style would translate well in-game, nor do I think he'll be great at halftime (okay, but not great, pace may be too quick), but he's good with explaining the detailed minutiae of how a specific skill/situation is taught.

I'll also say that I felt like I could see him mentally choosing his words for a non-football audience - it's not automatic to him at this point - so he's probably going to get better at that over time.

[MrBug708]

UCLA is a QB away from being much of a bother to anyone. 8-24 and 5 TO's to a team like Cincy? Ugh

[Vince, Pt. II]

I'm not a huge college football guy, but isn't Cincy supposed to be sneaky good this year?

[Chief Rum]

I'm not a huge college football guy, but isn't Cincy supposed to be sneaky good this year?

Did you watch tonight?

Cincy is a team with some decent players and they are well-coached. They aren't going to beat themselves.

But they showed themselves to be just okay tonight. They played a QB that hit 33% of his throws and turned the ball over four times, including twice on phantom self-fumbles, and the coaching staff (for UCLA) inexplicably started a scat back as not only their primary runner, but really, only runner. They were also missing seven starters, only two of whom were listed as out on the school's self-provided two deep.

The fact that despite all that, UCLA was a horrible refs' call away from being just a FG down with 3 minutes to go, says that UC is perhaps a touch overrated.

Don't get me started on what tonight means for UCLA.

[jbergey22]

Don't get me started on what tonight means for UCLA.

I would be shocked if Chip cant turn this around. I mean if he could turn Oregon to what they were there is no reason he cant make UCLA a power. I cant figure out what he is doing at this point though. Have other coaches really caught up to him this fast?

[Chief Rum]

I would be shocked if Chip cant turn this around. I mean if he could turn Oregon to what they were there is no reason he cant make UCLA a power. I cant figure out what he is doing at this point though. Have other coaches really caught up to him this fast?

That's the thing. I don't think they have. His offense by the end of the season last year looked phenomenal. Not Oregon phenomenal, but very very good. It appeared he was doing it again, finding new wrinkles and staying ahead of the game.

His problem seems to be that he just... stops... doing it. He gets in his own way. Maddening playcalling like tonight,.where he goes from looking like a genius one moment to looking like he pulled the next play out of a hat. For instance, he left his properly-sized star RB on the bench (admittedly seems he was dinged up) and started a RB/WR who is all of 5"8" 190 or something like that-- and stuck with him all game. He has plenty of other nornal sized RBs, including the backup on his own provided to media two deep for this game, but he runs the scatback ALL game.

His QB is clearly struggling to go through progressions and make even the simplest of passes. Does he pull him to give a look at a backup who is by most accounts not terribly worse than the starter? No. Does he do some short-throw easy completions to get the starter in a rhythm? Heaven forbid.

He's reading his own press clippings right now, like all he has to do is show up. It's pure ego. His own inexplicable decisions are the reasons for the utter failures and yet he's too egotistical and convinced of his own superiority to acknowledge these issues, admit he's wrong and actually do something like make an adjustment to his precious gameplan.

[JonInMiddleGA]

His own inexplicable decisions are the reasons for the utter failures and yet he's too egotistical and convinced of his own superiority to acknowledge these issues, admit he's wrong and actually do something like make an adjustment to his precious gameplan.

When did they hire Paul Johnson?

[tarcone]

When did they hire Paul Johnson?

I thought he was talking Kirk Ferentz.

[CU Tiger]

Give the devil his due a little bit here. Mark Richt isn't awful as a lengthy analysis guy at the desk after a game.

I don't think his style would translate well in-game, nor do I think he'll be great at halftime (okay, but not great, pace may be too quick), but he's good with explaining the detailed minutiae of how a specific skill/situation is taught.

I'll also say that I felt like I could see him mentally choosing his words for a non-football audience - it's not automatic to him at this point - so he's probably going to get better at that over time.

Hes getting blasted on Clemson boards today for his goofy SEC fellating post game. He said aTm would be ready for Clemson because they play in the SEC-W...on the ACCN...if the opposite had been said on the SECN he'd be unemployed already

[JonInMiddleGA]

Hes getting blasted on Clemson boards today for his goofy SEC fellating post game.

I didn't see/hear that part. I think I was later maybe (he was discussing things like where to position throws on certain routes with, who was it, E.J. Manuel I think)

[BishopMVP]

I thought for sure Dorian would clear through by mid-next week, but it just keeps getting slower and slower. Shouldn't be anywhere near a Hurricane in the Carolinas, but could have some weather effect on that A&M/Clemson game (or tailgate!)

[Butter]

Too early to fire Chris Ash?

[Atocep]

Too early to fire Chris Ash?

Is it already time for the WTF Rutgers posts?

[Butter]

Looks like it was too early, Rutgers is going into half with a double digit lead

[tarcone]

Jonathon Taylor is the real deal. He has a heisman type season and Wiscy is int he playoffs.

[Atocep]

McClane Carter actually looks like a competent qb.

[lungs]

Jonathon Taylor is the real deal. He has a heisman type season and Wiscy is int he playoffs.

He's great. And it looks like there is another good one coming behind him in Nakia Watson. Like always, it will come down to QB play. With Quintez Cephus coming back, there some nice weapons at WR too. But if Coan isn't any better than Hornibrook (not a high bar too clear), they'll look great against teams like USF and Illinois but the better Big Ten teams will give them challenges offensively.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Purdue called.

Said WTF just happened.

[tarcone]

Purdue called.

Said WTF just happened.

Purdue being Purdue. "DEFENSE!? We dont play no stinking defense!"

[cartman]

Kiffin and FAU getting destroyed by Ohio State. 28-0 halfway through the first quarter.

[JPhillips]

I was grumpy about OSU playing such an obviously over matched opponent, but then they showed Kiffin and I felt much better about it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

If there's a coach in all the land that seems more likely to be - literally - inbred than Matt F'n Luke I'd hate to see them.

You'd think it'd be difficult for a guy who appears to have the IQ of a turnip to have less football acumen than general knowledge ... and then you see this misbegotten sumbitch & realize it's happening right before your very eyes.

[JonInMiddleGA]

5 of 13 passing for 43 yards
13 carries for -1 yard

Rich Rodriguez ladies & gentlemen

[cuervo72]

Purdue being Purdue.

Yeah, I forgot they played last night (vs today). Wife told me the quarterly breakdown and I was basically "oh, they're doing this again, huh."

[BishopMVP]

Iowa State down 13-10 to Northern Iowa late 3rd. South Alabama back within 7 of Nebraska also late 3rd. And on the flip side Maryland up 72-0 on Howard mid 3rd...

[thesloppy]

Northern Iowa playing lights out.

[tarcone]

Northern Iowa playing lights out.

UNI is a tough in state opponent.

Iowa had to block 2 late FGs back to back to beat them a few years ago.

And ISU is really missing their studs from last year.

[BishopMVP]

And FSU goes down. Willie Taggert remains an idiot.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Willie Taggert remains an idiot.

There's overmatched and then there's Taggert.

[Butter]

Georgia State!

[BishopMVP]

True FR QB Sam Howell looking good for UNC.

Not looking good? Bottom half of the SEC. At least Kentucky survived?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Unless UT wins out from here, I can see no reason for Pruitt to be retained.

And I'd bet that the season won't end without at least one coordinator being relieved of his duties by week 6 or 7.

The shocking part though is that they don't look nearly so much unwilling to compete physically as they look unable to compete physically. Whomever has been taking a paycheck under the guise of being a "strength coach" ought to be charged with fraud.

[Butter]

Not looking good? Bottom half of the SEC. At least Kentucky survived?

They had to practice all spring and fall against the SEC, no wonder they're already beat up

[BishopMVP]

Somehow Willie Taggert doesn't have the worst end of game execution & playcalling today.

UNC just took a knee on 4th down & gave South Carolina the ball at the 47 with 10 seconds left. They sack Bentley anyways, but man what a bizarre ending.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Somehow Willie Taggert doesn't have the worst end of game execution & playcalling today.

UNC just took a knee on 4th down & gave South Carolina the ball at the 47 with 10 seconds left. They sack Bentley anyways, but man what a bizarre ending.

I'm not anything resembling a "Mack Brown guy" but his emotion in the post-game was impressively real.

[CU Tiger]

Unless UT wins out from here, I can see no reason for Pruitt to be retained.

And I'd bet that the season won't end without at least one coordinator being relieved of his duties by week 6 or 7.

The shocking part though is that they don't look nearly so much unwilling to compete physically as they look unable to compete physically. Whomever has been taking a paycheck under the guise of being a "strength coach" ought to be charged with fraud.

I’d remind you of Saban losing to ULM ...patience is the name of the game . But I’m not sure that a turn around is possible as long as Fulmer is roaming the halls.

[Thomkal]

Coastal Carolina opened the season on a down-note with the QB throwing four INTs and losing at home against Central Michigan. 30-23. :(

[JonInMiddleGA]

I’d remind you of Saban losing to ULM ...patience is the name of the game . But I’m not sure that a turn around is possible as long as Fulmer is roaming the halls.

Whomever approved the hiring of Jim fucking Chaney as anything above janitor is the start of the problem. Nobody ever grieves his departure, you ever notice that? So how fucking dumb do you have to be to hire him TWICE?

As for Phat Phil, I've long been of the notion that he returned specifically with the intent to do as much damage as possible.

As for the ULM comparison,here's where it seems to fall flat: Saban at least tried by all appearances. He didn't go into that game ineptly causing the loss. That's what Pruitt, by his own words mind you, did this week. Midweek, his own words were about "keeping it simple". And what did that get him? A team that played with no energy at all.

That said however, the tone was set by GSU being not just the more physical team but appearing to be the stronger team. How the fuck do you spend the money that's spent in Knoxville and fail to get players to even a bottom feeding D1 level physically? The fucking food budget in Knoxvegas is likely the same as the entire football budget at GSU.

There may be a time when I'm ready to call for the heads of the (likely numerous) scholarship thieves on the roster but this one appeared to be 100% on the staff that does nothing but draw fucking paychecks.

[PilotMan]

NDSU paid Butler to come play at Target Field in Minneapolis, the second football game to be hosted there (hosted a D3 game in 2017), and as expected, put a 57-10 smackdown on them.



Our redshirt freshman QB, Trey Lance was 10-11 for 185 yards and 4 TD's. Oh, and he also ran 5 times for 116 yards, and 2 more touchdowns. It's early, but that is one helluva an opening game.

[cartman]

No opening weekend stumble for the Longhorns this year. College Gameday is coming to Austin next weekend for the LSU matchup.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'll be damned, Auburn did it to a Pac-12 team again.

(No, I didn't think they'd pull that one off, not with a struggling freshman QB)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Quality control, sportswriting edition:
From the AP story about Wyoming upsetting Missouri

"It was the second upset win on the day by a Mountain West Conference team against a Southeastern Conference member. Earlier Saturday, Boise State beat Florida State 36-31 in Tallahassee, Florida."

[MizzouRah]

Good to see Mizzou has a worse defense than last year... I didn't know that was even possible.

[tarcone]

I thought Odom was going to be more hands on with the defense, or running it?

What happened?

[MizzouRah]

I thought Odom was going to be more hands on with the defense, or running it?

What happened?

That's a great question. If he's running the defense and this is the result, he might want to look at other options.

[panerd]

I thought Odom was going to be more hands on with the defense, or running it?

What happened?

He got more hands on with the defense. :)

[panerd]

That's a great question. If he's running the defense and this is the result, he might want to look at other options.

I know the skill position players are supposed to be faster but good lord our defense is slow. Not even pretending we are "SEC" quality but our secondary should be able to chase down Wyoming right?

[PilotMan]

That was a great game for Wyoming. Coach Bohl has made that them a strong team. He's finally been there long enough that his recruits have finally filled the system.

[BishopMVP]

Alabama -55.5 vs New Mexico St. I think that's the largest spread for a game involving two 1A teams since Houston/SMU in 1989. (FSU/Savannah State closed at -67 a couple years back, but ended up being a no contests when the game was called at 55-0 after 3 quarters.)

[MizzouRah]

I know the skill position players are supposed to be faster but good lord our defense is slow. Not even pretending we are "SEC" quality but our secondary should be able to chase down Wyoming right?

It's the defensive play calling too.. how they let their QB run for that TD baffles me. Nobody around for miles... it's going to be a long season.

Congrats to Wyoming though, well done!

[Atocep]

It's the defensive play calling too.. how they let their QB run for that TD baffles me. Nobody around for miles... it's going to be a long season.

Congrats to Wyoming though, well done!

WVU is going through a rebuild with Neal Brown so Saturday should be interesting. I don't think there's enough experience on offense to score enough to win. The O-Line is inexperienced, the QB will be making his 2nd real career start, and the receivers are mostly freshman/sophomores other than TJ Simmons. Running back is a strength, but requires blocking up front.

The defense is solid on the front 7, but the weakness is the secondary which JMU wasn't able to test at all.

[MizzouRah]

WVU is going through a rebuild with Neal Brown so Saturday should be interesting. I don't think there's enough experience on offense to score enough to win. The O-Line is inexperienced, the QB will be making his 2nd real career start, and the receivers are mostly freshman/sophomores other than TJ Simmons. Running back is a strength, but requires blocking up front.

The defense is solid on the front 7, but the weakness is the secondary which JMU wasn't able to test at all.

It will be interesting for sure. I'm not really sure what to expect out of us this weekend.

[Edward64]

FWIW, the Razorbacks are 1-0 but many fans say we should have put Portland State away and had a more convincing win. No one is expecting a breakout season but I'm hoping for a minor bowl assuming a QB steps up.

Sad state of affairs for Razorback nation.

[HomerSimpson98]

FWIW, the Razorbacks are 1-0 but many fans say we should have put Portland State away and had a more convincing win. No one is expecting a breakout season but I'm hoping for a minor bowl assuming a QB steps up.

Sad state of affairs for Razorback nation.


Ole Miss sucks tho. Should be an interesting pillow fight.


Pumped about playing the champs in Death Valley as I think we are a sneaky good team. I havent drank enough of the kool-aid to predict an Aggie win but I think we keep it within 7-10. Clemson is just too damn good right now.


Also excited to see if Ehlinger and the Horns are really back or not.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Ole Miss sucks tho.

And that's putting it mildly.

[CU Tiger]

Ole Miss sucks tho. Should be an interesting pillow fight.


Pumped about playing the champs in Death Valley as I think we are a sneaky good team. I havent drank enough of the kool-aid to predict an Aggie win but I think we keep it within 7-10. Clemson is just too damn good right now.


Also excited to see if Ehlinger and the Horns are really back or not.

You arent traveling in to watch the game are you?

Mond gave us fits last year. Lots of missed tackles last week. Jimbo always stresses Venables.

In fact I was actually going to be the upset. Then I saw the line was sitting at 17.5 and while Vegas screws up, they dont usually screw up that bad. In fact the only thing that gives me any confidence in this game is the Vegas line.

Strangely I think what I see as Clemson's weakness may end up being its strength. The DL is way down from last year....and despite aTm's OL issues (which haunt Jimbo wherever he goes) I dont think Clemson can exploit it and get significant pressure on Mond. I actually think this is a benefit though as Id much rather have Mond sitting in the pocket precision passing than letting him roll and play scramble drill. Clemson has a veteran secondary and I expect passing windows to be tight on designed routes.

Elko likewise gave us fits all the way back to his WF days. Hopefully we can open some holes and let ETN eat a bit on the ground.

All in all looks like one of the few games I will get to attend this year and Im stoked to check it out how ever it plays out.

[HomerSimpson98]

You arent traveling in to watch the game are you?

Mond gave us fits last year. Lots of missed tackles last week. Jimbo always stresses Venables.

In fact I was actually going to be the upset. Then I saw the line was sitting at 17.5 and while Vegas screws up, they dont usually screw up that bad. In fact the only thing that gives me any confidence in this game is the Vegas line.

Strangely I think what I see as Clemson's weakness may end up being its strength. The DL is way down from last year....and despite aTm's OL issues (which haunt Jimbo wherever he goes) I dont think Clemson can exploit it and get significant pressure on Mond. I actually think this is a benefit though as Id much rather have Mond sitting in the pocket precision passing than letting him roll and play scramble drill. Clemson has a veteran secondary and I expect passing windows to be tight on designed routes.

Elko likewise gave us fits all the way back to his WF days. Hopefully we can open some holes and let ETN eat a bit on the ground.

All in all looks like one of the few games I will get to attend this year and Im stoked to check it out how ever it plays out.




Would absolutely love to be there but I'm blowing my road trip dough to Athens this year.


Solid preview and I was shocked Vegas had us as 20 point dogs (it has since gone down to 17) and that, like you, makes me worried that there is something I dont know. ETN scares me more than Trevor does but the way they complement each other puts a ton of pressure on defenses. We looked pretty salty last week there, but you obviously have to take into consideration the level of competition. We need our front 4 to keep the fat guys off our backers and they need to be sure tacklers.


As for Mond, if he can be more consistent then we have a shot. The problem is for a quarter or 2, he loses his shit and becomes highly inaccurate and makes dumbass decisions. This is starter year number 3 so it's time to put it all together. If he does, he can be a very good QB.


Very much looking forward to this!

[cuervo72]

Iowa - that number font is not an improvement.

[BishopMVP]

Maryland making an early statement, though Syracuse is still in it.

Army triple option also keeping them around vs Michigan, like the Oklahoma game last year.

[EagleFan]

Army stops them to start the 3rd quarter and are driving. If they score a touchdown on this drive there will be a wave of panic in the stadium.

[Edward64]

MO doing quite a job on WV.

Enjoying the Army MI game also. Rooting for the underdog but do think MI has a top 3 colors/uniform.

[PilotMan]

Targeting is stupid on a play like the one that got that kid kicked for Army.

[PilotMan]

The return of the NDSU/ UND rivalry game that's over 100 years olds returns today. The Bison are big favorites for the home opener, but having lost 3 times to them in college there is no point total that is sufficient to win by.

Also, I'm flying this weekend with a UND grad. In aviation, there aren't a lot of us NDSU guys compared to the UND guys so any extra chance to pile on is good. As long as we win I shouldn't have any problem working with him the rest of the trip.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Idle thing I noticed in the box scores ... one of the numerous RBs used by Kennesaw State today vs Kent State is Bronson Rechsteiner.

Yep, that's the son of Rick Steiner.

[EagleFan]

Targeting is stupid on a play like the one that got that kid kicked for Army.

Yeah, that was rather bogus.

[tarcone]

Iowa with their first B1G opener shutout since 1981. That was the year that Hayden Fry turned the program around and they went to the Rose Bowl.


Iowa is good. The defense is really good. You need to watch AJ Epenesa play. He has to be the best DE in the nation.

[tarcone]

Iowa - that number font is not an improvement.

I guess I never noticed and dont remember a change. Still a great uni.

[tarcone]

Nebby offense came to play today

[mauchow]

Badgers......if they actually have good QB play they're gonna be tough to beat.

[BishopMVP]

Probably over anyways, but I would have gone for that 4th & 5? if I was Texas A&M. Play to win.

[Atocep]

It will be interesting for sure. I'm not really sure what to expect out of us this weekend.

I didn't expect 38-7 but it wasn't very far from my expectation. This offensive line is probably the worst of P5s. Neal Brown is all about creating a culture and too many guys left the program this summer to be competitive this year. He has his work cut out for him and he needs to show he can put a competent offense on the field because he failed to do that at Troy and isn't off to a good start at WVU.

In other news, Florida State putting up a hell of a fight against UL Monroe.

[RainMaker]

Those Michigan State uniforms are bad.

[Swaggs]

I didn't expect 38-7 but it wasn't very far from my expectation. This offensive line is probably the worst of P5s. Neal Brown is all about creating a culture and too many guys left the program this summer to be competitive this year. He has his work cut out for him and he needs to show he can put a competent offense on the field because he failed to do that at Troy and isn't off to a good start at WVU.

In other news, Florida State putting up a hell of a fight against UL Monroe.

I still feel pretty good about Brown. I had talked myself into thinking there was more talent remaining than there actually is, but I like the discipline and the way he manages the program. There were just way too few, if any, positions where we were physically equal to or better than Mizzou today. Once we get a couple classes in, I think we can get back into the top 4 of the Big 12.

[Thomkal]

Don't look now but Coastal Carolina down 7-6 at the half at Kansas. Missed PAT from being tied. It would be Coastal's first ever win against a Power 5 conference team.

[JPhillips]

Does Kansas really count, though? :)

[Thomkal]

Does Kansas really count, though? :)


They all count baby :) kicker having a bad day though-just missed a FG that would have put them up by 8. :( 12-7 with over 5 mins left.

[Thomkal]

But Kansas just missed a 4th and 3 giving the ball back to the Chants at about the 30.

[EagleFan]

So LSU decides to freeze their own kicker...

[Thomkal]

Woot! Chants win! Didn't really see that coming based on their first game of the season.

[EagleFan]

He made it, but why the timeout? Seems like a wasted timeout to use in the 3rd quarter.

[bhlloy]

Lol Vols

[Edward64]

LSU Texas game turning out to be pretty good back-and-forth.

[Butter]

He made it, but why the timeout? Seems like a wasted timeout to use in the 3rd quarter.

Play clock was running out

[tarcone]

Texas defense is weak. Need some DBs.

[cuervo72]

I guess I never noticed and dont remember a change. Still a great uni.

Apparently it wasn't new this year, but last year. Still, old numbers were better.

(Same goes for the Steelers.)

[jbergey22]

Tennessee about to get booted from the SEC

[Edward64]

Tennessee about to get booted from the SEC

And Arkansas to follow. We are a sad, sad team

(Please Petrino, please come back ... all the action you want, we'll turn a blind eye!)

[JonInMiddleGA]

And Arkansas to follow. We are a sad, sad team


That was like watching two zombies fight over a chipmunk.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Nebby offense came to play today

The defense however ...

[cartman]

That was a hell of a game. So close on recovering the onside kick

[tarcone]

Gameday is going to be in Ames for Iowa/ISU

Iowa going to get some great press. We need that

[tarcone]

The defense however ...

HEY the black shirts will win

[bhlloy]

Did USC just find another QB, except this time one who basically didn't have any other power-5 offers? A half of football doesn't a career make, but he looks good...

[BishopMVP]

Did USC just find another QB, except this time one who basically didn't have any other power-5 offers? A half of football doesn't a career make, but he looks good...I thought Oregon State offered? :p But yeah, either this is a very bad Stanford defense or he's something. 28-33 377? Wow.

Also, if this keeps up it'll be funny to see the Helton/Harrell dynamic & how the fanbase treats the two.

[miked]

Gameday is going to be in Ames for Iowa/ISU

Iowa going to get some great press. We need that

People would probably care if it weren't inept Rutgers.

RU QBs threw for 40 yards on 26 attempts and 2 picks. I would credit Iowa but it seems like this is about par for the course for RU over the last few years (Shitkowski 4.2 YPA and 4-18 TD-INT last year). Sometimes you have to cut your losses and admit you were wrong. Chris Ash must have naked pictures of Paul Robeson they way he continues to get chances.

[tarcone]

People would probably care if it weren't inept Rutgers.

RU QBs threw for 40 yards on 26 attempts and 2 picks. I would credit Iowa but it seems like this is about par for the course for RU over the last few years (Shitkowski 4.2 YPA and 4-18 TD-INT last year). Sometimes you have to cut your losses and admit you were wrong. Chris Ash must have naked pictures of Paul Robeson they way he continues to get chances.

Both of Rutgers QBs were terrible. Some credit goes to Iowas D line, esp. Epenesa. But, those 2 guys were as bad as they get.

[MizzouRah]

I didn't expect 38-7 but it wasn't very far from my expectation. This offensive line is probably the worst of P5s. Neal Brown is all about creating a culture and too many guys left the program this summer to be competitive this year. He has his work cut out for him and he needs to show he can put a competent offense on the field because he failed to do that at Troy and isn't off to a good start at WVU.

In other news, Florida State putting up a hell of a fight against UL Monroe.

I didn't expect that either, not with our defense. They tried going deep on us early, which typically works.

[Lathum]

Just finished watching the Husky game. Can't remember the last time I was so annoyed by them. Can't use the weather delay as an excuse, both teams had to wait it out. This was the sloppiest I have seen them in a long time. Dropped passes, missed receivers, blown tackles, poor end game management, etc...Just a brutal game to watch.

[miked]

FBS teams which have been shutout more than twice since 2016:;

Rutgers (7)
UTEP (3)

[tarcone]

Well, at least Rutgers can claim the birth of college football. So they have that going for them.

[dawgfan]

Just finished watching the Husky game. Can't remember the last time I was so annoyed by them. Can't use the weather delay as an excuse, both teams had to wait it out. This was the sloppiest I have seen them in a long time. Dropped passes, missed receivers, blown tackles, poor end game management, etc...Just a brutal game to watch.
First time in a long time I can remember a UW defense under Kwiatkowski/Lake that was so frequently blowing fundamental things like gap integrity and proper tackling technique. Joe Tryon is a physical specimen but he's freelancing out there waaaaaaay too much and he got burned several times. The drops by the receivers were killers too.

The thing about the weather is the 2.5 hour delay (game re-started at 10:30 local time) reduced the crowd to less than 1/3 capacity. Those that remained did their best to make noise, but it was less than it would have been without the delay.

I've taken for granted that UW's defense reloads instead of rebuilds, but the youth on that side clearly needs some more seasoning to reach their (considerable) potential.

[tarcone]

IT'S HATE WEEK. And ESPN Gameday is there for it. Iowa travels to Ames to play Iowa State.

This is a big game. Matt Campbell has done a nice job at an impossible place to win.

Iowa State believes this is their Super Bowl. They would rather beat Iowa than go to a bowl game.

I hate Iowa State.

[miami_fan]

This seems appropriate for this thread as I only knew of T. Boone Pickens as the guy who supports OSU football. Does Jerry Jones take the lead now?

RIP

T. Boone Pickens, billionaire OK St. donor, dies (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27594573/t-boone-pickens-billionaire-ok-st-donor-dies)

[BishopMVP]

Oh my god, Kansas won a road game vs a P5 team for the first time since 2008! And they smoked Boston College to do it...

Weak slate of games. I guess Iowa/Iowa State & Florida/Kentucky are the highlights? Maybe Syracuse can knock out Trevor Lawrence and keep it close again vs Clemson.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Weak slate of games. I guess Iowa/Iowa State & Florida/Kentucky are the highlights? Maybe Syracuse can knock out Trevor Lawrence and keep it close again vs Clemson.

It ain't exactly a lot of must-see TV on the slate.

A couple of other down-ballot games that are kind of interesting in some fashion are Nebraska vs NIU and maybe Michigan State-Arizona State, with UCF-Stanford a bit less than those.

Otherwise, it's a day where the interesting viewing seems limited to teams you're already a fan of and any stray upsets that might start brewing.

[tarcone]

First time since week 7 of 2017 no ranked teams are playing against each other. That week there were like 7 upsets.

Pitt/PSU could be good.

I cannot wait for Iowa/ISU.

[larrymcg421]

Furman up 14-3 on Virginia Tech in the 3rd. I was at the Furman-Georgia State game last week and watched them give up 48 points. A P5 OC who can't figure out how to score against that defense should not be employed the next day.

[JonInMiddleGA]

GT trails Citadel 14-6 at the half.

per Elias, it's the largest margin Tech has trailed a non-FBS team by at the half since NCAA classification play began in 1937.

[Atocep]

What Neal Brown did with this WVU team from last week to this week is impressive.

[larrymcg421]

Temple held Maryland on a goal line stand with like 4 minutes left. They went 3 and out and their punter shanked it, giving Maryland 1st and goal immediately. Temple's defense held again.

[Jas_lov]

Pitt kicked a FG from the 1 yard line down 7 with less than five minutes to play in the 4th quarter. They deserved to lose after that dumb decision. And they didnt even make the FG!

[tarcone]

This is Iowa's 2nd toughest game on their schedule. Only behind Wiscy. I say that because PsU and scUM suck.

[JonInMiddleGA]

local headline reads "Georgia Tech stunned by Citadel"

The only thing "stunning" about this collection of scholarship thieves and fraudulent "coaches" is if they win a fucking game.

This @#$%@#$ assclown is like watching Butch Jones all over again -- all talk, no ability -- and he's got a lot less of a roster than Butch baby had.

[jbergey22]

This is Iowa's 2nd toughest game on their schedule. Only behind Wiscy. I say that because PsU and scUM suck.

You dont think very highly of the BIG apparently

[jbergey22]

local headline reads "Georgia Tech stunned by Citadel"

The only thing "stunning" about this collection of scholarship thieves and fraudulent "coaches" is if they win a fucking game.

This @#$%@#$ assclown is like watching Butch Jones all over again -- all talk, no ability -- and he's got a lot less of a roster than Butch baby had.

Between Tennessee and Georgia Tech:eek:

And now Ole Miss is struggling with SW Louisiana

[Swaggs]

What Neal Brown did with this WVU team from last week to this week is impressive.

Amazing turnaround.

After the first two games, I was legitimately feeling like we could go 1-11 this year. I’m hoping that Missouri is just really, really good, but NC State’s QB may just be real bad.

[tarcone]

You dont think very highly of the BIG apparently

Yes and no. I think Iowa is that good. And I think most teams int he B1G are overrrated.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And now Ole Miss is struggling with SW Louisiana

That's no surprise at all.

No coaching to be found in Oxford, hasn't been in some two years now. If Matt Luke has an IQ over 80 I'd be shocked.

edit: And, yes, I realize what that belief indicates about the state of academics there

[bob]

local headline reads "Georgia Tech stunned by Citadel"

The only thing "stunning" about this collection of scholarship thieves and fraudulent "coaches" is if they win a fucking game.

This @#$%@#$ assclown is like watching Butch Jones all over again -- all talk, no ability -- and he's got a lot less of a roster than Butch baby had.

So I knew going into this year that it was Year 0, and that next year could be another Year 0. And so did the AD given the 7 year contract they gave him. That being said, I'm worried that they hired a marketing coordinator rather than a coach. A lot of the social media stuff seems really silly right now, and I have no clue what they are doing on offense.

Also, stop calling third down "money down" when you are letting the fucking Citadel convert at a 70% clip.

Unrelated note: I don't think I've ever see the QB return a kickoff 50+ yards. That happened today for GT.

[bob]

Further note on GT: I won't be shocked if they stumble into another win somewhere given the state of the ACC, but I'm having trouble finding one on the rest of the schedule. And I might have to find a long hike on the Saturday after Thanksgiving.

[Atocep]

Amazing turnaround.

After the first two games, I was legitimately feeling like we could go 1-11 this year. I’m hoping that Missouri is just really, really good, but NC State’s QB may just be real bad.

I wasn't buying into how bad the talent Holgorsen left behind was. I knew it wasn't great by any means, but it's not as bad as fans were making it out to be in order to cover for Brown through the first 2 games.

I do think with the number of freshman Brown played today along with essentially benching his starting LG, C, RG combined with today's performance shows that there are problems with the upperclassmen buying in. Those guys should have received a wake up call.

Dana did leave the team absolutely stacked at receiver for the foreseeable future. Sam James could be a household name by next year and Ali Jennings and Winston Wright looked good for freshmen getting their first real time out there today.

Dante Stills has first round talent.

The kneel on the extra point was stupid and unnecessary.

I don't think this is a bowl team, but today was a good sign for a very young team with a new coach.

[Thomkal]

Coastal Carolina had to bring themselves back to Earth after their win against Kansas, and not let a FCS school surprise them. Mission accomplished with a 46-7 win against MEAC member Norfolk State. One more non-conference game vs UMass next week before starting Sun Belt Conference games.

[JonInMiddleGA]

and I have no clue what they are doing on offense.

It's okay, neither do they.

I don't think he's a marketing director so much as a used car salesman. The kind at the local note-n-tote lot.

Also, stop calling third down "money down" when you are letting the fuckingCitadel convert at a 70% clip.

Thacker should have been fired before the final gun. He's utterly worthless, he's actually made a bad defense worse.

And, honestly, NOW I'm ready to declare at least 90% of the roster as scholarship thieves. There isn't a legitimate P5 player on the entire fucking roster. Release them all at the end of the year afaic. Not a goddamned one of them deserves a scholarship after today.

[BishopMVP]

P5 thieves maybe, but you could probably still beat UMass by 20. Lost 52-17 to UNC-Charlotte?!? How have we gotten worse every year in the decade since we went D1?

[tarcone]

Iowa survives. And probably the dumbestplay ever. An ISU guy ran over the PR and the ball hit him in the back and Iowa recovered. So Dumb.

[BishopMVP]

I know QBR was dumb from the start, but Ian Book went 15/24 for 360 & 5 TD's & gets am 85.5, Phil Jurkovec goes 1/1 for 52 yards (& no TD) for 77.3... and New Mexico has a player go 0/1 & get an 86.4? Wtf? New Mexico vs. Notre Dame - Box Score - September 14, 2019 - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=401114336)

[jbergey22]

I know QBR was dumb from the start, but Ian Book went 15/24 for 360 & 5 TD's & gets am 85.5, Phil Jurkovec goes 1/1 for 52 yards (& no TD) for 77.3... and New Mexico has a player go 0/1 & get an 86.4? Wtf? New Mexico vs. Notre Dame - Box Score - September 14, 2019 - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=401114336)

Was it a perfect pass that would have led to a TD that was dropped or something? Otherwise makes no sense.

On this boxscore the guy was 0-1 w 0.1 rating

https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=401110788

[stevew]

Is Jalen Hurts a first rounder now? I mean hell is he 1.1 even?

[booradley]

It's okay, neither do they.

I don't think he's a marketing director so much as a used car salesman. The kind at the local note-n-tote lot.



Thacker should have been fired before the final gun. He's utterly worthless, he's actually made a bad defense worse.

And, honestly, NOW I'm ready to declare at least 90% of the roster as scholarship thieves. There isn't a legitimate P5 player on the entire fucking roster. Release them all at the end of the year afaic. Not a goddamned one of them deserves a scholarship after today.

I watched a condensed version of the game. GT has some athletes, but they aren't disciplined - either in terms of execution or (sadly) behavior. My impression is that they have a culture problem and will need to clean house before things can start to improve to an acceptable level.

[JonInMiddleGA]

My impression is that they have a culture problem and will need to clean house before things can start to improve to an acceptable level.

When the new guy in charge is the one creating the culture, well ...

[Lathum]

Mike Leach is a god damned national treasure.

Morning links: Mike Leach breaks down a Pac-12 mascot battle - Deseret News (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseret.com/platform/amp/2019/9/17/20870041/morning-links-mike-leach-breaks-down-a-pac-12-mascot-battle)

[Edward64]

Looking forward to GA vs ND game this weekend. Good game for both to prove themselves and get confidence for rest of the year.

[tarcone]

If you havent caught this, you should. Its awesome.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Folks in Iowa are apparently, the best.” <br><br>We agree, <a href="https://twitter.com/notthefakeSVP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@notthefakeSVP</a>.<br><br>Thanks for showing the world what it means to be a Cyclone, <a href="https://twitter.com/CarsonKing2?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CarsonKing2</a>.<br><br>🌪🚨🌪<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/Vg63izdQPF">pic.twitter.com/Vg63izdQPF</a></p>&mdash; Cyclone Football (@CycloneFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/CycloneFB/status/1174731747725991936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[tarcone]

Oh, Its over $67,000 now.

[Butter]

I hope Michigan keeps Harbaugh 4EVA

[JPhillips]

Some observations from the Wiscy/UM game:

How could so many people think Michigan was the class of the B1G?

Shea Patterson is not very accurate.

That Wiscy O-line factory just keeps on going.

The Wiscy/OSU game is going to be great.

This has to be Harbaugh's last year, right?

[JonInMiddleGA]

from Twitter (@LouBrutus)

Jim Harbaugh and Michigan are being shamed like a puppy who has shat upon the carpet.

[JonInMiddleGA]

This has to be Harbaugh's last year, right?

Unless he wins out from here, yeah I'd think so.

[JonInMiddleGA]

That was a very Ole Miss way to lose a ball game.

Not sure why the 3rd down play (next to last run) wasn't reviewed.

[Thomkal]

Coastal Carolina didn't have much of a passing game in its first 3 games. Problem solved when one of the worse defenses in the nation UMASS hosted CCU. Coastal won 62-28 with almost near perfect passing from both QB's used. Over 300 yards passing and rushing too.

[PilotMan]

NDSU (1) and UC Davis (4) are at the half locked in a pretty good game. Davis is making it hard today.

[PilotMan]

NDSU takes the hard win today. If the defense would not have come up big it would have been an L. Three wins, and three times they haven't covered the spread.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Thank You Pitt

[tarcone]

Remember when I said ISU was Iowa's 2nd toughest game behind Wiscy? Do you get where Im coming from.

[JPhillips]

I really expected ND to get blown out tonight.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I really expected ND to get blown out tonight.

Still a lot of football to play unfortunately

[JPhillips]

Still a lot of football to play unfortunately

The one area where we're close is GA/GA Tech. My father-in-law is a Tech grad and I've learned not to like GA.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Still a lot of football to play unfortunately

I hate it when I'm fucking right sometimes.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Meanwhile Arkansas has lost at home to San Jose State, thanks in no small part to 5 INTs thrown by Starkel. SJS blew a 17 point lead but needed less than 2 mins to go the distance for the game winning score. The 5th INT followed one play later.

Tick tock, tick tock.

[JonInMiddleGA]

ND is a pretender.

But they weren't the only pretender on the field tonight.

Natty is a 3 horse race: Clemson (IF Lawrence is still Lawrence)vs the winner of the SEC West. Oklahoma is the dark horse if Clemson falters.

A team with an offensive pulse will beat Georgia, soundly if they have a decent defense to go with that. They should be very wary of Auburn after this performance.

[Lathum]

ND is a pretender.

But they weren't the only pretender on the field tonight.

Natty is a 3 horse race: Clemson (IF Lawrence is still Lawrence)vs the winner of the SEC West. Oklahoma is the dark horse if Clemson falters.

A team with an offensive pulse will beat Georgia, soundly if they have a decent defense to go with that. They should be very wary of Auburn after this performance.

Ohio state disagrees.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Ohio state disagrees.

LOL.

[Chief Rum]

No one's probably up, but UCLA and Wazzu are putting up a fun game to watch.

[bhlloy]

There’s a reason that “Coug’ing it” is a well known phrase. That was unbelievable. Has Leach ever heard of a free safety or a running back?

[Chief Rum]

There’s a reason that “Coug’ing it” is a well known phrase. That was unbelievable. Has Leach ever heard of a free safety or a running back?

Lol... agreed.

Whatever, I'll take a much needed win.

[Lathum]

LOL.

I'm guessing you haven't watched 5 minutes of an tOSU game. Fields is nasty. I would also say LSU looks pretty damn good.

[Lathum]

There’s a reason that “Coug’ing it” is a well known phrase. That was unbelievable. Has Leach ever heard of a free safety or a running back?

As a UW alum I love that phrase.

[lungs]

It's been a while since I've been to a Wisconsin Badger game. Glad I went yesterday! Michigan looked terrible as you all could probably see on your TVs.

Wisconsin looks like a pretty good squad. I'm not going out on a limb and predicting playoffs though, with Ohio State looming. And the Iowa game is always tough. At least Bucky doesn't go on the road to Northwestern though, as that would be a certain loss!

[BishopMVP]

ND is a pretender.

But they weren't the only pretender on the field tonight.

Natty is a 3 horse race: Clemson (IF Lawrence is still Lawrence)vs the winner of the SEC West. Oklahoma is the dark horse if Clemson falters.

A team with an offensive pulse will beat Georgia, soundly if they have a decent defense to go with that. They should be very wary of Auburn after this performance.
ND is what they are. I don't think any ND fan thought this year's team was national title good, but considering we were 14.5 point underdogs it was a good result (false start penalties aside!) Probably the best result since now we won't potentially get blown out by 40 in a semifinal, or "choke" when in line for said playoff berth... Not sure why Georgia waited so long to start feeding DeAndre Swift.

Also Michigan should sign Kaepernick to play QB.

[BishopMVP]

No one's probably up, but UCLA and Wazzu are putting up a fun game to watch.
I guess ESPN's writer was also ready to go to bed. POLL IMPLICATIONS

Washington State will likely drop in the poll.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm guessing you haven't watched 5 minutes of an tOSU game. Fields is nasty. I would also say LSU looks pretty damn good.

In reverse order: LSU's early season look is why I said SEC West winner (look back, I didn't say Bama)

re: Fields -- that's a mentally weak little bitch that has a million dollar athleticism and a ten cent mind. When things matter, he'll fold.

[tarcone]

In reverse order: LSU's early season look is why I said SEC West winner (look back, I didn't say Bama)

re: Fields -- that's a mentally weak little bitch that has a million dollar athleticism and a ten cent mind. When things matter, he'll fold.

Hopefully against Iowa in the B1G championship game

[Atocep]

No one's probably up, but UCLA and Wazzu are putting up a fun game to watch.

I turned it on with 8 minutes to go and watching those last 8 minutes reminded me so much of the WVU-Baylor game from 2012.

[General Mike]

Fire Ash

[JonInMiddleGA]

from espn

Alabama added ESPN 300 quarterback Bryce Young to its 2020 recruiting class, flipping Young from USC.

The No. 4 ranked dual-threat quarterback in the class, Young had been committed to the Trojans since July, 2018, but switched his decision after a visit to Alabama this past weekend.

... Of the 16 ESPN 300 recruits from California who have announced their commitment, only two are staying in-state and both are committed to Stanford -- wide receivers John Humphreys and Bryce Farrell.

In the 2019 class, 24 of the 33 ESPN 300 recruits left the state, including the No. 1 overall prospect, defensive end Kayvon Thibodeaux.

[tarcone]

When you cant even make the playoffs, why stay?

And F Alabama

[BishopMVP]

When you cant even make the playoffs, why stay?

And F Alabama
Weather, girls, proximity to family? It's not like the SEC has some leg up, Alabama & Clemson (& LSU & Georgia & Ohio State & Oklahoma) are just dominating certain things right now. If one or the two LA schools hires the right coach idk why they can't be at least at the Ohio State/Oklahoma/ND level.

[jbergey22]

Weather, girls, proximity to family? It's not like the SEC has some leg up, Alabama & Clemson (& LSU & Georgia & Ohio State & Oklahoma) are just dominating certain things right now. If one or the two LA schools hires the right coach idk why they can't be at least at the Ohio State/Oklahoma/ND level.

Still not to the level of Iowa though. :lol:

[tarcone]

Still not to the level of Iowa though. :lol:

Its hard to average 7.5 wins a season.

[dawgfan]

Weather, girls, proximity to family? It's not like the SEC has some leg up, Alabama & Clemson (& LSU & Georgia & Ohio State & Oklahoma) are just dominating certain things right now. If one or the two LA schools hires the right coach idk why they can't be at least at the Ohio State/Oklahoma/ND level.
You know things are bad at USC when they can't even hold on to top recruits from Mater Dei.

It's a bad look for the conference. I know many fellow Husky fans that say "Great, helps us!" but they're myopic. The talent pool out of California is shrinking as it is, and losing a growing percentage of them to other conferences is only going to accelerate the Pac-12's decline.

[Edward64]

5 SEC teams in Top 10. None in 11-25. The woes of the SEC 2nd tier (and yeah, the Razorbacks are 3rd tier) teams

[JonInMiddleGA]

5 SEC teams in Top 10. None in 11-25. The woes of the SEC 2nd tier (and yeah, the Razorbacks are 3rd tier) teams

Yeah, it's kinda ugly. Uglier than usual even.

[BishopMVP]

Houston QB D'Eric King will redshirt & transfer. Oklahoma an obvious potential destination.

[CU Tiger]

Houston QB D'Eriq* King will redshirt & transfer. Oklahoma an obvious potential destination.

This is "the other shoe"...KB left Clemson last year after being benched. This is a starting QB walking away from his team because he doesnt like the play calling of the head coach who didnt recruit him...

Oof.

RIP CFB.

[dawgfan]

Houston QB D'Eric King will redshirt & transfer. Oklahoma an obvious potential destination.
Apparently D'Eriq and his dad aren't on the same page. King just released a statement saying he's redshirting but not transferring.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Houston clearly does not understand how "Tank for Tua" works.

[Chief Rum]

Weather, girls, proximity to family? It's not like the SEC has some leg up, Alabama & Clemson (& LSU & Georgia & Ohio State & Oklahoma) are just dominating certain things right now. If one or the two LA schools hires the right coach idk why they can't be at least at the Ohio State/Oklahoma/ND level.

UCLA thought it did this with Chip. Unfortunately, it appears they got NFL Chip. Maybe Saturday night will start to turn that around.

As for USC, well... what's Urban doing nowadays?

[Edward64]

Yeah, it's kinda ugly. Uglier than usual even.

Razorbacks are toast.

ESPN Ranks College Football's 10 Hardest Remaining Schedules (https://thespun.com/sec/arkansas/espn-college-football-hardest-remaining-schedules-fpi)

[tarcone]

PING: Jon............

Regarding Iowa running back Tyler Goodson out of sawanee who played at North Gwinnett. How did Iowa get this guy? He is fast and damn good. Really the question is how and why?

[Lathum]

How is the ref right in front of that last play in the Wisconsin game and not call defensive PI?

[tarcone]

2 of the top 6 coaches in all time B1G wins are from Iowa.

The others include Schembechler, Hayes and Paterno.

[tarcone]

Wisconsins defense has outscored every offense they have played in total this season.

[Atocep]

PING: Jon............

Regarding Iowa running back Tyler Goodson out of sawanee who played at North Gwinnett. How did Iowa get this guy? He is fast and damn good. Really the question is how and why?

Too much talent in Georgia for UGA to get everyone and Tech has been fairly easy to pull kids away from in recent years.

WVU had 5 from Georgia in the '19 class including one of Goodson's teammates. They were in on Goodson, but were only taking 1 RB in the class and had Tony Mathis (also from Georgia) higher on their board.

WVU has largely moved away from recruiting Florida and into other SEC states because you can land Florida talent without the Florida drama.

[JonInMiddleGA]

PING: Jon............

Regarding Iowa running back Tyler Goodson out of sawanee who played at North Gwinnett. How did Iowa get this guy? He is fast and damn good. Really the question is how and why?

Iowa was pretty much the biggest offer Goodson had (or one of the two)

Only BC and Wake offered from the ACC, only Kentucky from the SEC. Colorado offered west of the Mississippi. Michigan State the other B1G offer. Everything else appears to have been non P5 (though he did have some visits, possible walk-on opportunities other places)

He was a relatively small 3* RB that was 1st team all-state as a junior, winning a title while surrounded by talent (4 1st team all-state, another hon. mention) but didn't even warrant an HM as a senior when the talent level fell around him.

He was something like the #66 prospect in state (3rd on his own team). He was, well I don't want to say "a guy" but he wasn't a top guy by any stretch. That he ends up out of state is no real surprise.

(By comparison, the state's leading rusher this year - Jahmyr Gibbs of Dalton HS - is a GT commit, so far. He's #40 in state right now, #10 all-purpose back in the country. Those are the players that the big name programs - or ones who want to be - are looking at here)

[Edward64]

Razorbacks had a good loss against the Aggies. Exciting and end in doubt until the last minute. A very small hope that we can beat a couple SEC teams this year.

[Lathum]

Elijah Molden with an incredible INT then 2 plays later Ahmed buts a huge TD run. 14 point swing. really happy for Molden. He is from the town I used to live in when we were in Oregon. His dad played at Oregon and everyone assumed he would to. Top ranked corner from the state. Was a real coup when we got him. The decision was really tough for him and a lot of people didn't handle it well. I got the whole story from his mom. I was in Safeway one day wearing a huskies shirt and this woman comes up to me and asks me how I liked UW. I told her I loved it, etc...asked if she had a kid considering it. Tells me who she is and what Elijah was going through. A few days later he commits. Glad he did

[Lathum]

USC is so poorly coached. How Helton still has a job is insane.

[Atocep]

I don't get UNC going for 2 in that situation.

[Jstraub]

I get and love the call. Too bad the courage wasn't rewarded

[dawgfan]

USC is so poorly coached. How Helton still has a job is insane.
I don't know if Slovis or Daniels are better, but Fink isn't that good. Which is a shame, because USC has elite receivers.

Not the prettiest win for Washington, but no win over USC is ever ugly so I'll take it. Nice to see Ahmed bust off that 89-yard TD. That sequence with the Molden pick near the goal line and then Ahmed taking it to the house a few plays later was clearly a massive momentum swing.

[CU Tiger]

I don't get UNC going for 2 in that situation.

I'm very, very thankful they did.

[General Mike]

Rutgers fires Ash and OC McNulty. TE coach Nunzio Campanile is interim HC.

Sources: Greg Schiano left Patriots to return to Rutgers - FootballScoop (https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-greg-schiano-left-patriots-return-rutgers/)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Former Rutgers coach Greg Schiano, who went 68-67 in 11 seasons and led the Scarlet Knights to six bowl appearances, could be a leading candidate to return. ... Other potential candidates include Texas A&M defensive coordinator Mike Elko, Army coach Jeff Monken, former Tennessee coach Butch Jones and Michigan linebackers coach Anthony Campanile.

Soooo the current interim guy is perhaps a placeholder for his brother?

Aaaand there's a thought that you'd actually consider Butch Jones? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[miked]

Heck, RU would probably consider Al Golden. They were shutout in 16 of their last 29 B10 games.

[tarcone]

Rutgers should throw a bunch of money at Mike Leach. At least they would score.

[Brian Swartz]

I don't get the timing of the Rutgers firing. You can say Ash has had enough time and it isn't working, but what did you learn from the Michigan game that you didn't already know? If you think the team isn't responding this year and that's why it wasn't done in the offseason, I'd have at least waited for games like Maryland, Minnesota, etc. to pull the trigger.

[Lathum]

Rutgers should throw a bunch of money at Mike Leach. At least they would score.

Why would he do that? He doesn’t strike me as motivated by
Money and Rutgers isn’t a better job than Wazzou.

[tarcone]

Im sure he wouldnt. But when you get shut out 16 of your last 29 games, why not look for an offensive genius that produces exciting football games.

[miked]

I don't get the timing of the Rutgers firing. You can say Ash has had enough time and it isn't working, but what did you learn from the Michigan game that you didn't already know? If you think the team isn't responding this year and that's why it wasn't done in the offseason, I'd have at least waited for games like Maryland, Minnesota, etc. to pull the trigger.

According to the quotes, they voted on it 2 weeks ago so I have no idea why they waited. Maybe it was a $ thing (they wanted to make sure they could secure the stupid $8M buyout).

[JPhillips]

Rutgers should throw a bunch of money at Mike Leach. At least they would score.

That guy should be shunned out of the profession for the way to throws his players under the bus.

[Lathum]

That guy should be shunned out of the profession for the way to throws his players under the bus.

I think I only heard part of it but whatbindidnhear I have zero issue with.

[JPhillips]

I don't mind him saying that to his players, but keep that out of the media.

The next question should have been how can a coach let his team get like that if they are all the same players as last year?

[ISiddiqui]

According to the quotes, they voted on it 2 weeks ago so I have no idea why they waited. Maybe it was a $ thing (they wanted to make sure they could secure the stupid $8M buyout).

The buyout is probably what it is. It was postulated that Ash was safe for another year at least because of it, so Rutgers likely had to scramble to secure that amount to get rid of him now.

Oh, also Nunzio Campanile is the most Jersey name imaginable.

[Thomkal]

Late reporting this but Coastal Carolina had a chance to be considered one of the top teams in the Sun Belt, but they have never beaten any of the top 3 in this conference. Sadly this trend continues on the road against a hot App State team fresh off an upset over North Carolina. They showed they just don't have the quality and depth of quality as App State scored 50+ against them while scoring 30+. They get a week off to recover then have a home game against Georgia State in 2 weeks.

[BishopMVP]

I don't get UNC going for 2 in that situation.
I get and love the call. Too bad the courage wasn't rewarded
I was debating it & I think I'm on Atocep's side. I like the David vs Goliath strategy if you think the other team is more likely to win in OT than to stop you on the 2-pt, but 1:21 on the clock & 2 Clemson timeouts gives them a lot of time to go for even a FG if you go up 1.

I also didn't get why Dabo didn't use a timeout right away after the previous play to save another 30 seconds, and man, they had a real good chance at that onside kick too.

[Atocep]

I was debating it & I think I'm on Atocep's side. I like the David vs Goliath strategy if you think the other team is more likely to win in OT than to stop you on the 2-pt, but 1:21 on the clock & 2 Clemson timeouts gives them a lot of time to go for even a FG if you go up 1.

I also didn't get why Dabo didn't use a timeout right away after the previous play to save another 30 seconds, and man, they had a real good chance at that onside kick too.


The analytic types have been debating this recently. Coaches tend to play conservatively in tie games late. They don't want to lose on a fumble, tipped ball, or some other fluke so they'll take a shot or 2 to see if they can pick up some chunk yardage and then run the clock out if they're unable to.

By taking the lead with enough time to drive they're forced to play aggressively and IMO that strongly favors the team with more talent.

With 30 seconds or less I can understand going for 2. However, with enough time to drive, as you said, I think it's a bad play. I think Clemson had an advantage either way but playing for OT is the preferred call for me in that situation.

[dawgfan]

Why would he do that? He doesn’t strike me as motivated by
Money and Rutgers isn’t a better job than Wazzou.
He wouldn’t take a different job just for money, but if it was a place with higher upside than WSU he’d be gone faster than you can say “I like to insult my players in public”. I don’t think Rutgers is that job though...

[JonInMiddleGA]

that strongly favors the team with more talent.


Which was the part scenario Brown cited afterwards for his decision to go for two, saying (paraphrasing a bit) that the longer a game goes the more it favors the more talented team.

He felt like his chances were better against a defense that was on its heels a bit, I can't really blame him for that thinking.

[Jstraub]

The analytic types have been debating this recently. Coaches tend to play conservatively in tie games late. They don't want to lose on a fumble, tipped ball, or some other fluke so they'll take a shot or 2 to see if they can pick up some chunk yardage and then run the clock out if they're unable to.

By taking the lead with enough time to drive they're forced to play aggressively and IMO that strongly favors the team with more talent.

With 30 seconds or less I can understand going for 2. However, with enough time to drive, as you said, I think it's a bad play. I think Clemson had an advantage either way but playing for OT is the preferred call for me in that situation.


All Good Points, especially in a vacuum. But there are some important points of context that make me stick with my statement of being a good idea to go for two.

1. UNC just methodically drove down the field using 8+ minutes of clock. This had to instill some confidence in the offense to secure an additional 3 yards to go up by 2 points.

2. Given #1, UNC might be inclined to believe Clemson's defense was tired.

3. Also Given #1, how many more times do you think, If your UNCs coach, that you are going to be able to move the ball and score against Clemson's defense if the game did go into overtime? Seems like taking advantage of this ONE chance is a good bet against what you might have to do in overtime.

4. Its not like Clemson was moving the ball very well against UNC. Score 2 points and rely on your defense, which has done a hell uv a job all day, to continue to stop them.

5. UNC was 2-2 and just lost to Appalachian State the week prior (translation = does not have huge bowl aspirations). Taking a chance like this, against maybe the best team in the country, has HUGE upside for your season (and program) and very little downside. Everyone expected them to lose... They did but it wasn't because they played scared or conservative. I still love the call.

[tarcone]

2 big games on today. #14 Iowa visits #19 Michigan. Iowa is a 5 point dog. We are more physical than they are. And Wiscy punished Michigan a couple weeks ago. I do not expect that at all. I expect a close game that ends with the score within a FG

GO HAWKS!

Then Auburn takes on Florida. I think Florida is overrated. SO I am guessing Auburn puts the hurt on them.

[tarcone]

Another piss poor coached game by the Ferentz family.

Sick. And Sad.

[jbergey22]

Another piss poor coached game by the Ferentz family.

Sick. And Sad.

Yeah that Michigan team you said "sucks" has held them out of the end zone.

[PilotMan]

NDSU goes on the road to play the #6 ranked team in the FCS, the #3 team in the MVC, in the Illinois State Redbirds.



Bison 37-3.



By far the most impressive game they've played this year. They just rolled on offense, and the defense was stout. They gave up a few big plays, including a 63 yd pass that gave Illinois St first and goal on the half yard line. Then stuffed them on 4 plays. It was a solid game.

[tarcone]

Yeah that Michigan team you said "sucks" has held them out of the end zone.

They do suck. But they out coached. Us. Man they blitzed all day and we did not adjust one bit. We just let our statue of a QB get sacked.

Terrible coaching again. We will be 8-4 this season again.

[tarcone]

Yeah that Michigan team you said "sucks" has held them out of the end zone.

We were inside their 40 7 times and came away with 3 points. Im thankful we have a great defense.

[larrymcg421]

Disgraceful performance from Miami. 5 turnovers and down 28-0 in 1st half to a Virginia Tech team who got throttled by Duke.

[jbergey22]

They do suck. But they out coached. Us. Man they blitzed all day and we did not adjust one bit. We just let our statue of a QB get sacked.

Terrible coaching again. We will be 8-4 this season again.

Does Iowa "suck" though?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Very cool (for me) to see Shannon Brooks back on the field for Minnesota.

Arguably the best athlete from my HS alma mater in the past 40 years, to come back and be effective after a pair of ACL injuries ain't bad at all.

[tarcone]

Does Iowa "suck" though?

Good question. I think our D line and DBs are very good. We have top ten pick at DE.

I think our O line is suspect right now. We do have a 1st round tackle playing and another that should be drafted. Our guards are not very good and we have a freshman at center.

Our WRs are pretty darn good. And RB Goodson is fantastic. But he loses touches to the guy (Sargeant) who is the great [ractice guy. But Sargeant did fumble and KF benches guys when they fumble, so I see Goodson starting against PsU.

For whatever reason our QBs peak their junior years and regress their senior years. And this season is no different. The scouts think Stanley is a pro prospect, but I dont see it.

Our DC is one of the best in the nation.

Our OC is overmatched. He got worked today.

Our HC is a good guy and stable. But he is not a good coach. But he can fund raise and kiss ass with the best of them.

Does Iowa suck? No, I think the Ferentz family is not good at coaching. I think another HC would take this unit and be a 10 or 11 win team. This staff gets them 8.

By the way, the contract for KF is structered so he gets a $500k bonus at 8 wins and his staff gets an 8% raise at the same win total. Every year.

That is a contract that screams mediocrity.

[BishopMVP]

Meaningless game nationally, but man Nebraska got a gift. That missed PI on the ball they intercepted with a minute left was as bad as Saints/Rams.

[HerRealName]

I think the correct answer is that just like most years, Kinnick Iowa is scary. Road Iowa, not so much.

[JonInMiddleGA]

That is a contract that screams mediocrity.

That's a contract that screams "we're content with mediocrity"

[JPhillips]

What's the likelihood that Iowa would land a coach obviously better than Ferentz? Seems like it would be much more likely to end up like Purdue than to end up like Wisconsin.

[tarcone]

What's the likelihood that Iowa would land a coach obviously better than Ferentz? Seems like it would be much more likely to end up like Purdue than to end up like Wisconsin.

Right now the problem is the AD. And I wont go inot the stupid shit this guy has done and kept his job. But there is a lot of stuff that would have gotten others fired. But he is a damn good fund raiser.

Purdue has a damn good coach by the way. And I think he would do really well at Iowa. Shoot, I would take Iowa States coach. Iowa has the ability to do great things. Great stadium, great revenue stream, great fans and a weak press. A lot of coaches would love to come here.

I aspire to become Wisconsin, just like they aspired to be Iowa back in the 90s. Then they hired Barry Alvarez (A former Iowa coach) and he took that program to new heights.

He had Brett Bielema winning 10 and 11 games a season. And that dude crashed at Arkansas.

A good AD can do great things at a school like Iowa. But nepotism is king at Iowa. Our punter last season, who was one of the worst in the country, was the nephew of one of our biggest boosters.

If you know Iowa football, you know STs are important. Well, maybe money a little more.

[tarcone]

I think the correct answer is that just like most years, Kinnick Iowa is scary. Road Iowa, not so much.

This is a fantastic take. Thank you for this. It opened my eyes.

[JPhillips]

Still hard for me to take FL seriously.

[tarcone]

Still hard for me to take FL seriously.

I agree. Makes me think Auburn is overrated as well.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Still hard for me to take FL seriously.

I said earlier today "they've nearly mastered the art of winning ugly".

I can't remember the last time I saw a Florida team that looked flat out good, even while winning.

[cartman]

This Tulsa/SMU game is pretty damn entertaining. SMU was losing 30-9 starting the 4th quarter and came back to tie. Each team scored in the first OT, and SMU fumbled in the 2nd OT while Tulsa missed a FG. Going into 3rd OT

[cartman]

Tulsa missed another FG, then SMU wins when an incomplete pass in the end zone is reviewed and correctly called a TD on their first play.

[jbergey22]

This Tulsa/SMU game is pretty damn entertaining. SMU was losing 30-9 starting the 4th quarter and came back to tie. Each team scored in the first OT, and SMU fumbled in the 2nd OT while Tulsa missed a FG. Going into 3rd OT

Fantastic game! SMU is a very nice squad this year.

[jbergey22]

I aspire to become Wisconsin, just like they aspired to be Iowa back in the 90s.

Some nice stuff in that paragraph but I had to pull this out. Are you frikkin serious? Wisconsin aspired to be Iowa :lol:

Iowa was 62-53 in the 90s.

Just be happy with what the Hawkeyes are. They are an upper mid level B1G team. Their location prevents them from getting a bunch of 5* recruits. Unless they can get Nick Sabin Id imagine every coach they get will have the same struggles as KF.

In 20 years under Fry they ended the season ranked in the top 10 twice(10th in 1985 and 10th in 1991) while under 20 years of KF they have been ranked inside the top 10 5 times(2001, 2002, 2003, 2009, 2015). I dont get your love of Fry and hatred of KF.

[tarcone]

Some nice stuff in that paragraph but I had to pull this out. Are you frikkin serious? Wisconsin aspired to be Iowa :lol:

Iowa was 62-53 in the 90s.

Just be happy with what the Hawkeyes are. They are an upper mid level B1G team. Their location prevents them from getting a bunch of 5* recruits. Unless they can get Nick Sabin Id imagine every coach they get will have the same struggles as KF.

In 20 years under Fry they ended the season ranked in the top 10 twice(10th in 1985 and 10th in 1991) while under 20 years of KF they have been ranked inside the top 10 5 times(2001, 2002, 2003, 2009, 2015). I dont get your love of Fry and hatred of KF.

Before Fry, Iowa hadnt had a winning season in 20+ seasons.We were awful. Fry came in and changed the culture of, not only the football program, but the entire University.
Fry changed the logo to the Tigerhawk, which is one of the most well known national logos today. Fry took us to the Rose bowl in 81. Fry had us ranked number 1. And we beat the number 2 team in the nation that year, which was Michigan.

Fry Brought us back from the dead. Fry was a great personality. Fry changed the culture. Fry was one of the leaders that ended the 3 yards and a cloud of dust philosophy of the B1G. Fry opened up Texas to Iowa.

Look at Frys coaching tree. It is one of the greatest ever. He brought an attitude of Lets play to win. Not lets play not to lose.

KF has not taken us any higher than Fry. He just recently passed Fry in wins. It took KF the same amount of time with more games a season. KF is boring. He recently changed the offense a little bit. But you could study film from 2000 and be prepared for the Iowa offense in 2017. I dont hate KF more than I feel his time is up. Fatigue more then anything.


What KF has done is great. But Im ready for change.

[tarcone]

"Next Sunday morning we will be complaining about poor clock management, why aren't our best players ( Goodson) playing more. We will be asking why we cant adjust in game, (Blitzes cause PSU will be bringing it). Been doing this for many many years."

This a post over at Hawkeyenation after guy put up a thread that we will beat PSU and Wiscy, and Nebby will lose.

This is the KF brand right here.

[MizzouRah]

Kelly Bryant seems to be ok. They need to be able to kick players out for low hits like the one on Bryant.

[lungs]

Some nice stuff in that paragraph but I had to pull this out. Are you frikkin serious? Wisconsin aspired to be Iowa :lol:


Tarcone was just a little off on the timeline. Wisconsin hired Barry Alvarez in 1990. Iowa of the mid to late 1980's was what Wisconsin aspired to be. The level of ineptitude in Madison was Rutgers'esque at the time. I don't take issue with the notion that Wisconsin aspired to be Iowa at one time because aspiring to be Michigan/Ohio State was simply unrealistic. Even today, Wisconsin will never be Ohio State. Neither will Iowa.

The problem for Iowa is they don't have large enough of a history of Polish immigrants to build a proper offensive line :)

[tarcone]

I miss Barry Alvarez and Bill Snyder. They were fantastic coaches under Fry. And have done some amazing things.

[dawgfan]

I'm still not done being pissed off at Washington's pathetic performance at Stanford this weekend. I don't know why Petersen's teams lay a turd like this almost annually, but they do. I suppose a silver lining is that game almost certainly slowed down the hype train on Eason, and the chances of him returning went up a small percentage.

[Lathum]

I'm still not done being pissed off at Washington's pathetic performance at Stanford this weekend. I don't know why Petersen's teams lay a turd like this almost annually, but they do. I suppose a silver lining is that game almost certainly slowed down the hype train on Eason, and the chances of him returning went up a small percentage.

yeah. I didn't even post because I don't know what to say. What a horrible game to watch. Flat out took them for granted. I was really juiced for the Oregon game. Wife and I going to Atlantic City, gonna do VIP seating at a sportsbook, and now the game means so much less.

[MacroGuru]

yeah. I didn't even post because I don't know what to say. What a horrible game to watch. Flat out took them for granted. I was really juiced for the Oregon game. Wife and I going to Atlantic City, gonna do VIP seating at a sportsbook, and now the game means so much less.

Pisses me off even more that our team only rushed 3 or 4, dropped 7 or 8 and didn't make Eason uncomfortable.

I do know this. My wife was yelling at the TV and the announcers because Gilmore fixated on this being a trap game for Washington and that Petersen said it.

He was scared of this game, he knew his team wasn't ready. But isn't his job to ensure they are ready?

I am BYU blue at heart, but through Proxy of marriage, I have been slowly becoming a Husky fan.