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Poli 08-28-2009 02:38 PM

Ping: Referee
 
Team A has ball on their own 30 yard line. Team A attempts to pass, but it is intercepted by Team B at the 50. Team B returns the interception 10 yards before fumbling the ball. Team A recovers the football on their own 40 yard line. Flag on the play: Roughing the passer on the defense.

Sort this out, please.

stevew 08-28-2009 02:42 PM

Roughing the passer negates all the other calls I believe. Team A has the ball on their 45(first and 10)?

Unless the ball was intercepted before the infraction occurred. Then it's Team A's ball on the other teams 45?

CU Tiger 08-28-2009 02:44 PM

dpends on whether he was roughed on the return or during the act of passing

Coffee Warlord 08-28-2009 02:47 PM

As I recall, the QB becomes a regular player once an interception occurs. You can only rough the passer when he's, well, a passer. If he's picked off and gets blocked / shoved during the INT return, he's fair game.

So if it's a legit roughing the passer call, it's all nullified, team A ball from I *think* the original line of scrimmage + 15 yards.

Poli 08-28-2009 02:48 PM

Roughing the passer was called during the act of passing.

Dr. Sak 08-28-2009 02:48 PM

Since B fouled before the INT (i'm assuming) they do not keep the ball. You can't have a change of possession with "dirty hands". Ball goes back to the previous spot, tack on 15 and an automatic first down. If there had not been a change of possession, you tack it on from the end of the run.

Dr. Sak 08-28-2009 02:50 PM

Maybe I'll restart my officiating question of the day :)

Poli 08-28-2009 02:51 PM

Sweet. I love referees. I saw a similar play where the penalty yards were tacked on to the end of the play. Same referee I had a problem with last season.

I know better, you know better, but apparently this referee knows more than all of us together.

Dr. Sak 08-28-2009 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 2104182)
As I recall, the QB becomes a regular player once an interception occurs. You can only rough the passer when he's, well, a passer. If he's picked off and gets blocked / shoved during the INT return, he's fair game.

So if it's a legit roughing the passer call, it's all nullified, team A ball from I *think* the original line of scrimmage + 15 yards.


That is true but if the QB is not in the play, for example the ball is 40 yards down field and a returning team player just pounds the QB, you can call an unsportsmanlike. But at that time B would retain the ball.

stevew 08-28-2009 02:52 PM

What if Team B intercepts at the 50, the returning team(B) gets called for a personal foul on the return, and then fumbles and A recovers on their 40?

Dr. Sak 08-28-2009 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2104195)
What if Team B intercepts at the 50, the returning team(B) gets called for a personal foul on the return, and then fumbles and A recovers on their 40?


Tack on 15 from the end of the run. First and 10 for A on B's 45.

Suburban Rhythm 08-28-2009 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2104187)
Maybe I'll restart my officiating question of the day :)


Exactly what I came into here to post...

But with no FOFC access from work anymore, I'll need mine mailed.


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