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Poli · 08-28-2009, 03:38 PM

Team A has ball on their own 30 yard line. Team A attempts to pass, but it is intercepted by Team B at the 50. Team B returns the interception 10 yards before fumbling the ball. Team A recovers the football on their own 40 yard line. Flag on the play: Roughing the passer on the defense.

Sort this out, please.

stevew · 08-28-2009, 03:42 PM

Roughing the passer negates all the other calls I believe. Team A has the ball on their 45(first and 10)?

Unless the ball was intercepted before the infraction occurred. Then it's Team A's ball on the other teams 45?

CU Tiger · 08-28-2009, 03:44 PM

dpends on whether he was roughed on the return or during the act of passing

Coffee Warlord · 08-28-2009, 03:47 PM

As I recall, the QB becomes a regular player once an interception occurs. You can only rough the passer when he's, well, a passer. If he's picked off and gets blocked / shoved during the INT return, he's fair game.

So if it's a legit roughing the passer call, it's all nullified, team A ball from I *think* the original line of scrimmage + 15 yards.

Poli · 08-28-2009, 03:48 PM

Roughing the passer was called during the act of passing.

Dr. Sak · 08-28-2009, 03:48 PM

Since B fouled before the INT (i'm assuming) they do not keep the ball. You can't have a change of possession with "dirty hands". Ball goes back to the previous spot, tack on 15 and an automatic first down. If there had not been a change of possession, you tack it on from the end of the run.

Dr. Sak · 08-28-2009, 03:50 PM

Maybe I'll restart my officiating question of the day

Poli · 08-28-2009, 03:51 PM

Sweet. I love referees. I saw a similar play where the penalty yards were tacked on to the end of the play. Same referee I had a problem with last season.

I know better, you know better, but apparently this referee knows more than all of us together.

Dr. Sak · 08-28-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

As I recall, the QB becomes a regular player once an interception occurs. You can only rough the passer when he's, well, a passer. If he's picked off and gets blocked / shoved during the INT return, he's fair game.

So if it's a legit roughing the passer call, it's all nullified, team A ball from I *think* the original line of scrimmage + 15 yards.

That is true but if the QB is not in the play, for example the ball is 40 yards down field and a returning team player just pounds the QB, you can call an unsportsmanlike. But at that time B would retain the ball.

stevew · 08-28-2009, 03:52 PM

What if Team B intercepts at the 50, the returning team(B) gets called for a personal foul on the return, and then fumbles and A recovers on their 40?

Dr. Sak · 08-28-2009, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew

What if Team B intercepts at the 50, the returning team(B) gets called for a personal foul on the return, and then fumbles and A recovers on their 40?

Tack on 15 from the end of the run. First and 10 for A on B's 45.

Suburban Rhythm · 08-28-2009, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Maybe I'll restart my officiating question of the day

Exactly what I came into here to post...

But with no FOFC access from work anymore, I'll need mine mailed.

08-28-2009, 03:48 PM	#5
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Roughing the passer was called during the act of passing. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

08-28-2009, 03:51 PM	#8
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Sweet. I love referees. I saw a similar play where the penalty yards were tacked on to the end of the play. Same referee I had a problem with last season. I know better, you know better, but apparently this referee knows more than all of us together. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

08-28-2009, 03:42 PM	#2
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Roughing the passer negates all the other calls I believe. Team A has the ball on their 45(first and 10)? Unless the ball was intercepted before the infraction occurred. Then it's Team A's ball on the other teams 45?

08-28-2009, 03:44 PM	#3
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	dpends on whether he was roughed on the return or during the act of passing

08-28-2009, 03:47 PM	#4
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	As I recall, the QB becomes a regular player once an interception occurs. You can only rough the passer when he's, well, a passer. If he's picked off and gets blocked / shoved during the INT return, he's fair game. So if it's a legit roughing the passer call, it's all nullified, team A ball from I think the original line of scrimmage + 15 yards.

08-28-2009, 03:48 PM	#6
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Since B fouled before the INT (i'm assuming) they do not keep the ball. You can't have a change of possession with "dirty hands". Ball goes back to the previous spot, tack on 15 and an automatic first down. If there had not been a change of possession, you tack it on from the end of the run.

08-28-2009, 03:50 PM	#7
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Maybe I'll restart my officiating question of the day

08-28-2009, 03:52 PM	#10
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	What if Team B intercepts at the 50, the returning team(B) gets called for a personal foul on the return, and then fumbles and A recovers on their 40?

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