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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Raiders re-hire Art Shell
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'Breaking' news on ESPN.com... no article yet... He might've been a good coach, but isn't that quite a hefty break for a relatively unsuccessful coach? |
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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HAW HAW!
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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You're not measuring him against the last few years, though. He's a blinding supernova by comparison. |
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Banned
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Shouldn't that read: Quote:
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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What spin. Yes, I'm sure Davis' first inclination was to right a wrong. That's always been his style...
ESPN's John Clayton reports Steelers' offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt is no longer a part of the Raiders' head coaching search. Art Shell and Jim Fassel are now the top candidates. Louisville's Bobby Petrino was allegedly offered the job, but turned it down. Whisenhunt will be first in line for coaching vacancies in 2007. Feb. 9 - 4:02 pm et Jim Fassel could have a shot at the Raiders' head coaching job, as Steelers' offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt has been apprehensive about heading to Oakland. League insiders say Steelers' offensive coordinator doesn't want to get caught in the (silver and) black hole that is the Oakland franchise and would rather wait for 2007. "He'd be one of the top candidates next season and could probably pick his job," said one league source. Possible openings for '07 could be in Baltimore, Tennessee, Jacksonville, San Diego, Dallas, Atlanta, Arizona, and Seattle. Feb. 9 - 12:05 pm et
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Im surprised Shell hasn't gotten another HC job in 12 years he's been out.
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Strategy Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: North Carolina
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Blast from the past, baby.
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#9 |
Strategy Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: North Carolina
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dola. bring back Bo Jackson, Jay Schroeder, and "Swervin'" Meryvn Fernandez and we REALLY have a story!
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Here and There
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Considering the dross being hired around the league, it's a joke that he wasn't given a second chance.
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Kansas City, Mo
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Just Recycle baby!
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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A possible opening in Jacksonville? What are these people smoking? Del Rio has been really good in J'ville. -Anxiety
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Aah yes. Now all we need is Cito Gaston to be rehired by the Blue Jays and we'll have completed the black coaches/managers who were good but seemingly can't rehired circle.
I'm happy for Art Shell, but I just don't understand how these owners get to treat people this way and make it seem legit. Meh. "You're my sixth choice. That worked for Ty Willingham at Notre Dame, no?"
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Kansas City, Mo
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I think del rio wants the cowboy job or somesuch.. no idea really
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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If the Atlanta job came open, I would be interested to see what Whiz could put together for Vick.
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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Who's to say it would be Jacksonville's choice for Del Rio to leave?
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
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When was the last time a head coach has been hired with the rest of his staff already in place? That just seems like a setup for failure
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Davis, CA
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A 56-41 career record that includes a trip to the AFC Championship Game is "relatively unsuccessful"? |
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Glad someone else said it, 'cuz I saw that last night and wondered if my eyes were playing tricks on me.
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H.S. Freshman Team
Join Date: Jan 2002
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ok i think there were about 10 so-called head coaching jobs open in the nfl this year. take out the raiders and just consider the other 9 or so teams. if you took the top 10 list from each of those teams do u think art shell was on any list?
the real kicker tho is that no one wanted the raiders job because they knew that al davis meddles and has no respect for the head coach but with the exception of maybe a couple of teams is any other nfl owner any different. the typical nfl owner invites 25 or so people to his box on sunday, has a little too much too drink, his team loses and he decides too fire the head coach because artie's wife doesn't think he is a good play caller. i have a feeling that when art is fired (replaced)it won't even be announced but one day another guy (biletnikoff, otto, etc.)will just show up in his place and no one will even notice. |
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Nov 2003
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I think this is just another way fro Al Davis to screw with the league.
Wasn't Shell the guy everyone would interview just to comply with the minority interview rule? |
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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I don't think Shell was part of the minority interview tour anymore. He left that to assistants and such.
But still, I hate the way this happened. I think if you're Shell, you never get a shot again - I mean, no one is gonna hire him - so you take this and parlay it either into a different gig in the NFL as a high-priced coordinator or just to bide your time. That said, I don't expect him to be worst than Norv Turner or Bill Callahan. I just hate how these sorts of things happen to only certain types of coaches.
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H.S. Freshman Team
Join Date: Jan 2002
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art shell certainly is no worse than norv turner or bill callaghan and probably is no worse than bill cowher either.when u analyze football coaches most of them are about the same. they all go to the same clinics, have similar assistants and put in 18 hours a day. football coaches are generally good coaches with varying degrees of talent on their team. of course there are some guys that aren't very good but for the most part if u have a good owner you will have a good coach.
if u sat and talked to norv turner, callaghan or shell you would be amazed at their knowledge of the game but not all jobs are equal. vince lombardi would win if he coached the 49ers and eddie d was the owner. lombardi would lose if he coached the 49ers and york is the owner. the head coach is an important cog in a very large wheel. if owners have patience and are willing to do the right things most coaches will eventually win but since there are few good owners it just doesn't happen that way. art shell will not win with the raiders because al davis is a meddling owner who has lost it. i have known 3 people who have worked for the raiders and the stories they tell would make it very clear that this is an organization that should be avoided if at all possible. but the raiders have about 20 football jobs and my guess is that every spot pays over $100,000 so there will always be people who are willing to put up with a job that they know is al loser. i do think there is one area that may separate coaches and that is their ability to deal with players. it seems like cowher and parcells excel in this area but i would think that bellichick does not. this is not an area that is easy to define and i think you would have to be very close to a team to see which coaches excel in this area. bellichick does not seem to be much of an outgoing person but apparently he seems to be able to get alot out of his players. in the oakland raider organization since every coach is undercut by davis there is no way that they can command the respect of the players thus regardless of their knowledge of the game it is difficult to succeed actually impossible. |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Troy, Mo
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When they lose games will the headlines read, "Raiders of the lost Art"?
Ok, that was corny. Last edited by MizzouRah : 02-11-2006 at 04:13 PM. |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Ohio
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but watch - i'm sure it will be used
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Oct 2003
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a trip to the AFC Championship Game. Callahan took the raiders to the superbowl. In the NFL winning it all is the only thing that really certifies you. So what's your point? I didn't say a complete failure, it just wasn't the second coming of Vince Lombardi either. You're talking about what? like a 12 year absence... Joe Gibbs has struggled adapting, and he won 3 super bowls. Yeah, the Skins made the playoffs but it wasn't because of Gibb's offense... Norv Turner was obviously fired because he did an unsatisfactory job, and Al Davis wants to win now, not later... Shell isn't exactly a proven commodity in this day and age. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Kansas City, MO
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A difference between Shell and Gibbs is that Gibbs was completely out of football for more than a decade, while Shell has been in the game ever since. I think the biggest struggle Gibbs has had is that he's still getting used to the speed and style of the game. I wouldn't say the game has passed him by, but he's still adjusting. That said, I don't know how successful Shell will be. The team is a shabbles -- the little talent that have is a head case. But then again, I think Shell coached up his earlier Raider teams. I like Art Shell and I'd like to see him succeed ... just somewhere rather than Oakland. It's unfortunate he's getting this chance just because nobody else wanted the job. If Al Davis really wanted to right a wrong, he didn't need to offer the job to 15 other guys and get turned down before going to Shell. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Black Hole
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Art Shell, on the other hand, did it all himself. I'm sorry, but I'm tired of Al Davis at this point. The Raiders have more talent than anyone else, but they always underachieve. I cannot help but attribute this to the majority owner, Al Davis.* Until he leaves, I doubt that greatness will ever come back to the Silver and Black. *I'd also like to say that he was the man back in the day, but let it go...JoePa had to. |
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Davis, CA
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You are dead wrong. There are lots of highly respected coaches who have never won a Super Bowl. Shell's not among the great coaches of all time, but he was pretty successful when you consider that Jay Schroeder was the Raider QB for most the time Shell was the head coach. |
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: New Jersey
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Location: Tennessee
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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I agree completely with all this.
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H.S. Freshman Team
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Missouri
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Art Shell is where he belongs. For those lamenting the fact that he is going to crazy Al's dungeon (Al is the only reason the Raiders ARE the Raiders that we know), just think about what it did to poor John Madden. Al can be frustrating at times with draft picks, but no owner goes after top talent like Al. I'll take him over any other supposedly invisible owner any day. Al is not as bad as the media clowns portray him. He is the villain of the NFL that sells stories, nothing more. I can't believe how many people regurgitate the same junk the media spews without even questioning it. Do some research. Read the book Slick for starters. It gives a pretty good insight to a man who simply has a passion for his team. Most of the media stories are going to be skewed. The writers live and root for teams in their areas. It just seems to me that many act like it is high school and hate the man because "every one else does". Don't get me wrong; I like it when people hate on the Raiders because they root for a rival. I live behind enemy lines so I get a lot of flak (KC Cheat fans
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Ohio
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All I have to say is - I hope he does good. My brother-in-law is a Raiders fan - he also has Sunday Ticket on Direct TV - so I go over there every sunday to watch football...it gets old watching them stink. I'm a Bengals fan myself - and I had enough losing over the past 15 years - So hopefully he'll turn things around and I can watch two winning teams every Sunday!
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: South Florida
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Al Davis has his pawn.
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H.S. Freshman Team
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Missouri
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Nope, just a lifetime Raider fan that stretches back to the last of the Madden years. I have been everything Raiders since I was 5 years old. I just tire of regurgitated media swill being thrown around as fact. Take for instance a reporters stories on the west coast over the last several weeks. Said reporters first article states that Al has offered the HC position to Al Saunders. His next article claims Saunders turned the job down. The following article claims Al was too stupid to even offer Saunders the job thus blowing the Raiders chances at a top flight coach. Keep in mind the same stories at the time where lamenting the fact that the good assistants were not going to be interviewed because teams could not wait a couple of weeks until the playoffs were over. Al waits and is a "fool". Are there any facts in journalism these days or are stories driven because of personal dislikes for a team/owner.
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Davis, CA
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You're talking about the Al from before the move to LA. That guy hasn't been around since 1981. Since then, he's spent more time chasing stadium deals than talent. |
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H.S. Freshman Team
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Missouri
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Yes, he has aged a little, and made some mistakes (who hasn't). The only owners who haven't been chasing stadium deals are the ones that have great stadiums in place. The LA Coliseum was a terrible venue for pro football. The track around the field put the crowd too far from the action. Some of the seats were so far away that they were impossible to sell, so they began using huge tarps to cover some of them. Not to mention the stadium holds an enormous amount of people making sellouts impossible, and black outs inevitable. The NFL in its constant battle with the dissident owner sabotaged the stadium deal that was in the works for the Raiders, leaving Al no choice but to search for new digs. The move to Oakland was to bring an upgrade in facilities and sold out stadiums. PSL's have killed any chance of sellouts and marketing has been handled by the city of Oakland which has been in an ongoing lawsuit with Al. This is the one place where I think Al is in the wrong (lawsuit vs city), but has been ironed out this year. The city of Oakland and the Raiders have dropped their lawsuits respectively and the Raiders can now handle their own marketing. All of the failures of the Raiders on the field the past three years has been a wake up call for Al. I think the Raiders are about to recapture some of their old glory. One thing about it you can't match Al's passion when it comes to going after anyone who he thinks might make the Raiders better. I don't think many could see Randy Moss in anything but purple until last year.
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