Holy crap! Vick-to-the-Raiders Rumor - Page 5

Vinatieri for Prez · 01-24-2007, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

The Falcons couldn't fill the Dome when they went 14-2, but they've filled it up year after year with Vick. There's really no argument in terms of energizing a fanbase. Someone mentioned Vince Young. He's the only young player that I could see filling the Dome like Vick has. Keeping him in Atlanta is a business decision that extends wayyyyyyy beyond stats. I've followed this team for over 30 years and there's never been a time when back-to-back 8-8 and 7-9 have been unacceptable. It's sad to say, but 9-6-1, 11-5, 8-8, and 7-9 (the four seasons with Vick as starting QB) are all in the upper tier of seasons in Falcon history. I'm fairly certain that 11-5 is the third-best Falcon record ever, behind 14-2 in '98 and 12-4 in '80. It's difficult to overstate what Vick has meant in terms of attendance and interest in this franchise.

This is a good point. And a factor to take into account with respect to accepting for now his average/slightly better than average QB skillset. Of course, the owner has to eventually make a decision as to whether he wants to just put butts in the seat or wants to win. That will be his decision.

wade moore · 01-24-2007, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

This is a good point. And a factor to take into account with respect to accepting for now his average/slightly better than average QB skillset. Of course, the owner has to eventually make a decision as to whether he wants to just put butts in the seat or wants to win. That will be his decision.

I bet I know the answer.

Ben E Lou · 01-24-2007, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I bet I know the answer.

My best guess is that Vick has two seasons to show signs that the team can make a deep playoff run with him at the helm.

RedKingGold · 01-24-2007, 06:40 AM

The one thing I'm surprised no one has brought up yet (or maybe I missed it) is how Mora refused to build a system around Vick and tried to make him conform to a system. TO is an idiot but the one thing he was right about was that Greg Knapp was a bad offensive coordinator.

While I in no way am attempting to compare Tom Brady to Michael Vick, is there anyone here (besides st.cronin) who thinks that Brady doesn't have weaknesses? There's a reason he fell to the sixth round of the draft. Again, I'm not saying that Brady has no talent, but I believe the system in New England maximzes Brady's talent and minimizes his short comings. When Reeves was coach, he built the offense around Vick, and when Vick started those games the team was pretty successful.

I'm also not saying that Mora trying to employ the "West Coast Offense" did not have its merits. In fact, its value could be seen when Vick was "out" with injury (as other quarterbacks who did not have Vick's skill set could be as or even more successful with Vick).

I like Mike Vick's plight to FOF (as I try to relate most things in life). A quarterback with Vick's skills in FOF would probably have high potential in long and deep passes, and scrambling ability. He'd probably also have mediocre (think low 50's) accuracy and next to nothing in ratings for screen passes, touch passes, timing, etc. Do you try to run a throw short offense with him in FOF? Heck, no! You would try to get receivers that maximize Vick's abilities and offensive tackles with high pass blocking abilities to let Vick get out of the pocket. Had Mora played more FOF, he probably would have been more succesful.

The moral of the story? With Vick's cap number, the Falcons know they are going to be stuck with him for at least two more years. So, why not give him the best opportunity to succeed? He proved with Dan Reeves he could. That's why the hire of Bobby Petrino was a good selection (as would have Ken Whisenhunt). Both have had success using their great playcalling abilities to get the most out of their players (see Whisenhunt with Big Ben).

I say in two years, Petrino will make Vick a winning quarterback again.

st.cronin · 01-24-2007, 11:12 AM

I believe the main reason Brady fell to the 6th round was his size. He was really, really skinny in college.

Ksyrup · 01-24-2007, 11:15 AM

So you're saying Brady might be linked to steroids in some manner?

st.cronin · 01-24-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

So you're saying Brady might be linked to steroids in some manner?

He is a professional football player.

rkmsuf · 01-24-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

He is a professional football player.

I thought you were going to say "only his cock is".

st.cronin · 01-24-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I thought you were going to say "only his cock is".

That thought says a lot about you.

Pumpy Tudors · 01-24-2007, 11:30 AM

Tom Brady has a cock?

rkmsuf · 01-24-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

That thought says a lot about you.

I could have sworn you were the guy in one thread supporting the fact that tom brady was the greatest fornicator on the planet.

01-24-2007, 06:40 AM	#204
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	The one thing I'm surprised no one has brought up yet (or maybe I missed it) is how Mora refused to build a system around Vick and tried to make him conform to a system. TO is an idiot but the one thing he was right about was that Greg Knapp was a bad offensive coordinator. While I in no way am attempting to compare Tom Brady to Michael Vick, is there anyone here (besides st.cronin) who thinks that Brady doesn't have weaknesses? There's a reason he fell to the sixth round of the draft. Again, I'm not saying that Brady has no talent, but I believe the system in New England maximzes Brady's talent and minimizes his short comings. When Reeves was coach, he built the offense around Vick, and when Vick started those games the team was pretty successful. I'm also not saying that Mora trying to employ the "West Coast Offense" did not have its merits. In fact, its value could be seen when Vick was "out" with injury (as other quarterbacks who did not have Vick's skill set could be as or even more successful with Vick). I like Mike Vick's plight to FOF (as I try to relate most things in life). A quarterback with Vick's skills in FOF would probably have high potential in long and deep passes, and scrambling ability. He'd probably also have mediocre (think low 50's) accuracy and next to nothing in ratings for screen passes, touch passes, timing, etc. Do you try to run a throw short offense with him in FOF? Heck, no! You would try to get receivers that maximize Vick's abilities and offensive tackles with high pass blocking abilities to let Vick get out of the pocket. Had Mora played more FOF, he probably would have been more succesful. The moral of the story? With Vick's cap number, the Falcons know they are going to be stuck with him for at least two more years. So, why not give him the best opportunity to succeed? He proved with Dan Reeves he could. That's why the hire of Bobby Petrino was a good selection (as would have Ken Whisenhunt). Both have had success using their great playcalling abilities to get the most out of their players (see Whisenhunt with Big Ben). I say in two years, Petrino will make Vick a winning quarterback again. Last edited by RedKingGold : 01-24-2007 at 06:44 AM.

01-24-2007, 11:12 AM	#205
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I believe the main reason Brady fell to the 6th round was his size. He was really, really skinny in college. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

01-24-2007, 11:15 AM	#206
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	So you're saying Brady might be linked to steroids in some manner? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

01-24-2007, 11:30 AM	#210
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Tom Brady has a cock? __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

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