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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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PING: WVU Hoops Fans
Talk is Beiline is going to potentially be named new Michigan coach as of Monday. Is that the talk there or is it just here? He's being interviewed during the Final Four but he is the guy Michigan wants so I want to know what we may be getting. He's a great x's and o's guys, but they question how he recruits. Your thoughts?
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Huntington, WV
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Not nearly as much talk as when Rodriquez was on the cusp of leaving to Alabama. WV's much more of a football state than basketball. Personally, I think he's a great coach, and I'm happy to see him get a job where his talents can really shine. Michigan's lucky to get him.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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I hope his talents can shine here. Michigan hasn't had an X's and O's guy in ages and the incoming class is the best since the Fab Five for Michigan. The big question is if Bieline can keep these guys coming in and the two freshman from last year. I hope this isn't getting ahead of myself because I am genuinely excited to see him coach here and a lot can happen so we will see. |
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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I find that odd. I watch alot of big east basketball and he seems to always have a competitive team. He seems more like the kind of coach that would rather have solid 4 year players then the one and done superstar. It may not be glamourous but he gets enough talent to compete in the big east. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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Yeah. Someone likened it to a Boise State in football. He gets the 1,2,3 star guys and coaches them up. I'd take that over recycling top 25 guys year and year out if you can only keep them a year. |
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago, Ill
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I hope this does indeed happen, I am really liking the overall roster of coaches in the Big Ten in the forseeable future.
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Huntington, WV
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WV seems to be a staging ground for good basketball coaches. Billy Donovan came from Marshall before he took the Florida job, and now Beilein seems to be moving to Michigan.
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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I'm hearing that Lon Kruger is #1 and Beilein is #2 right now for the U of M job and either way it'll be announced Monday. (Of course, right now CBS Sportsline is reporting that Michigan is after Stallings from Vanderbilt, but that seems off.) Kruger's ties to the midwest may be what is giving him the edge over Beilein, whom has always been on the East coast. It's all speculation right now. Beilein is in New York City for the NIT final tomorrow night, so I doubt any interview has taken place.
Beilein is a great coach, though. It's actually hard to guage his recruiting as he's only been a coach at a BCS school for 5 seasons, and when he took over at WVU the program was at rock bottom. His recruiting has gotten better and better as WVU has improved on the court and in terms of reputation the past 3 years or so. I actually disagree with the notion that he only finds diamonds in the rough - he is a great judge of talent and knows, whether a guy is 5 stars or 1, who is the best fit for his system. When he was looking to transfer out of St. Bonaventure, Beilein went after Mike Gansey like he was Lebron James because that's how highly he thought of his skills. We were in on several top 150 or so guys last year (and signed Da'Sean Butler who was a 4 star guy in some publications). I actually think JB will leave WVU this year or next year, but I'm not sure if Michigan will be the place he winds up or not yet. Last edited by timmynausea : 03-28-2007 at 08:09 PM. |
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Doesn't Beilein have a 3 million dollar buy-out? It would surprise me if Michigan paid that large of buy-out.
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Huntington, WV
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That's RichRod. I don't think Beilein is that high.
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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He has a huge buyout, which I believe lowers to $2.5 million this year. Plus, because of the way the contract is worded, Beilein will have to pay income taxes on the buyout money, which further complicates things. Basically Michigan would have to sink more money into Beilein than they do in Lloyd Carr, which has some doubting that this deal will go down. |
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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I think I was remembering back to some coaching search last year when his buy-out stopped the deal. I'm guessing Stallings gets named as the coach at UM. Kruger is Larry Brown Jr., I don't think he'd be a good choice either. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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Kreuger pulled his name out saying his wife would file for devorce rather then go move again to the Midwest. |
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Yep. There are stories both ways about it, but the majority of WVU fans believe that Beilein to N.C. State was a done deal last year, with Beilein even agreeing to chip in some of his own money toward the $3 million buyout until they realized that the contract would require him to pay taxes on that money. He fired his agent that week as well. |
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Ah... I was going off what I read this morning. That'd make Beilein #1, assuming the money isn't an issue. I think he could do some serious damage at Michigan, as in Tom Izzo better watch his back. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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The Ann Arbor insiders say Bieline is everyones top choice and they weren't considering Kruger. As far as Carr goes, his salary is never known so Bieline may get money that tops him but it'll be undisclosed. Also they're in the beginning stages of looking at options for new facilities.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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As I said above, this is from the Michigan insider in AA but that means nothing because some of these guys are less then reputable. I wasn't sure which guy said it tonight so i can't say for sure so I am taking it for what it is. |
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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I think he is a great coach and is, by all reports an even better person. He has a track record of sticking at places for about five years, rebuilding, and then moving on. I think he wants to leave, but I'm not sure that Michigan will be the destination for a few reasons.
One, as Timmy said, he has a $2.5M buyout that goes down to $2.0M in May. According to a Dominion Post (the newspaper in Morgantown, WV) the wording in the contract states that the money must come from him, rather than another school's AD or booster, so unless he has that kind of cash sitting around, he would have to get it plus income taxes on it from the school, which drives his price up. No one really knows the truth, but most assume the buyout + taxes kept him from ending up at NC State last season. I have heard that WVU would not accept the payment over a number of years. Second, right now he already makes more than Ammaker was making at Michigan, so it seems like a stretch that they are going to really spend a significant amount more, plus the buyout. Michigan doesn't have the greatest track record with basketball coaches, as they let their last two really good coaches leave to what I would consider lesser programs (Johnny Orr leave to Iowa State and Bill Frieder leave to Arizona State). Third, he is 54-years old and may not want to coach a whole lot longer, so another rebuild job may not be that attractive to him. He also has hung pretty close to the East Coast throughout his career, so I'm not sure how he would feel or do recruiting in areas like Detroit. Anyway, I think he is unfortunately looking to leave. But, I'm not sure his combination of age with that buyout makes him a good candidate for Michigan this year, but if they can come up with the buyout, I think he'd go. I'd hate to see him go, but unlike this year, we have a lot of pretty solid returning players, so it would be much less of a disaster this year than it would have been last year. |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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I don't think he has a high loyalty to WVU since he wasn;t even our first choice in the coaching carusel. We sort of lucked into him.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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Here's an article regarding Beiline coming here potentially..
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...90/1004/SPORTS |
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General Manager
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Just as a FYI, Beilein was also considered for the Mizzou job last year when it became available.
With that said, it would be very interesting in the coaching carousel if Beilein were to leave. There's a coach at Kansas State University who just took the basketball job there. I believe Huggins is his name. The sole coaching job built into his contract that allows him to leave with no strings attached? West Virginia, which is his alma matter. |
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Huntington, WV
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I hope not. Didn't Huggins accept the WVU job, then quit a day later?
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Flatlands of America
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Yeh, I'm SURE Huggie will leave K-State after assembling his 2007-2008 recruiting class.
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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Nope. That was Dan Dakich, the recently resigned Bowling Green coach. He was our second choice after Huggins flirted with WVU but ultimately chose to stay at Cincy. Beilein was actually our third choice. |
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Coordinator
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Puyallup, WA
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I'd be interested to see how Beilein would do at a program with high expectations. He's not a guy that will recruit players just because they're good, he looks for guys that will fit into his system and are coachable. In his 5 years at WVU he's had 1 top 100 recruit (De'Sean Butler, I believe).
He's probably one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the country, but I could easily see a scenario where his team underachieves for a year or two and he's forced out because he doesn't recruit top players. |
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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I doubt he would either and, even though I wouldn't mind seeing him in gold and blue, I'm not sure he will be real serious consideration this time around. Even though he is one of our own and his dad still lives there, the folks in Morgantown are pretty split down the middle on Huggins, since he has some off the court problems and he ended up using us as leverage with Cincy last time around (when Beilein was hired). That said, most, if not all, universities will release players from their signed LOI if the head coach leaves. They are not obligated to do so, but most understand that the backlash from high school/AAU coaches (who guide future recruits) and the negative impression are not worth the benefit of having disgruntled players. Usually a school will ask that the player gives the new coach a chance to "sell himself," but will let the player out if that is what they truly want. WVU got three of its recruits in Beilein's first year from Richmond commits, where he had previously been coaching. And, when Sidney Lowe took over at NC State, I know that they allowed Dan Warner and Dennis Horner re-open their recruitment, even though they had already signed LOIs with Herb Sendek (before he left for ASU). Warner ended up signing with Florida, while Horner ended up sticking with the Wolfpack. |
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Any Michigan fans hearing anything new? Nothing is certain just yet, of course, but it's starting to sound more and more like Beilein is going to turn Michigan down (or perhaps already has.)
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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Haven't heard much but I was starting to get that feeling. Hadn't been hearing much and generally something like a hire travels fast. With Lowry re-upping and Bieline probably (but I hope not) turning Michigan down, they better hope they can land Vandys coach. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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Can't confirm this but rumor is Calipari may've requested an interview with Michigan AD Bill Martin this weekend. Seems unlikely but stranger things have happened.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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And while on rumors, again these are more fun then anything else, but maybe Tommy can shead light to this. From a WVU ESPN Board...
My friend's dad has been working for WVU for over 20 years and knows alot of people in the athletic department. He hasn't failed me once and called the Rodriguez-Bama mess right on when he said the inside scoop was that RichRod was using Bama as leverage to get higher pay for his assistants and better facilities and never planned on leaving . Anyways, he says that relations between Beilein and the athletic dept have deteriorated to a point where they don't talk anymore. Any communcation between WVU and Beilein is done through his agent. Beilein is pissed because he saw WVU groveling at Rich Rod's feet during the Bama mess and feels like his work isn't being respected. Beilein has been PROACTIVELY searching for a new job for quite a while now including places like Indiana and NC St. The fact that WVU will not lift the buyout cost to his contract seems to be the final straw in destroying the coach's relations with the school. If anyone can or wants to afford the buyout, expect Beilein to make a hasty exit. |
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Sylvania, Ohio
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Many people will not be happy if they hire Stallings, hopefully Martin wont go there. Besides that, talk is the Air Force head coach is ahead of him anyway. Personally I hope that they go back and look at mid-major guys like Hobbs if they get turned down by Beilein.
There are rumors of some surt of mystery canidate whos name hasnt gotten out yet. I really doubt they are true, but they range from an NBA guy to some sort of "big name". |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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Yeah I agree. I am not a Stallings guy but of the initial list that was rumored he seemed like the last one left. Who knows at this point but a coach will probably be announced in the next few days. |
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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I have heard similar things as well. It definitely seems like Beilein doesn't get along with some people in the athletic department, and the way he handled the N.C. State situation last year made things much worse to the point where it did seem like that relationship could never be repaired. That's why I said a few days ago that I fully expect Beilein to leave WVU soon. However, it seems like going 27-9 this year with a very young team may have healed things some. On top of that, Beilein has a son that is going to be a senior in high school and doesn't want to move, and what I'm hearing recently is that "family pressure" is playing a role in this decision. I still wouldn't be surprised to seem him go, but one of his main quibbles with the AD here is not getting a practice facility built, and I saw recently that Michigan's AD has said that they won't be building a practice facility any time soon. If one of his main irks at WVU is that football is the favorite son, Michigan may not be the best choice. |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Troy, NY
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The point was that K-State, a basketball-nobody, has assemebled the #1 recruiting class in the nation for '07-'08.
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General Manager
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Beilein has been offered the Michigan HC position. Will be interesting to see if he takes it.
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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According to the WVU folks, there will be a counteroffer that will almost certainly be presented today and we will probably have an answer, one way or the other, by tomorrow afternoon.
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General Manager
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
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The dominoes are going to fall in a hurry now. Report is that Huggins will be the primary target if Beilein leaves WVU and they're prepared to throw the bank at him. Also, there are rumors circulating in KSU and B12 circles that the recruits in the 2007 class will be released from their letter of intent if Huggins takes the WVU job. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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From todays Detroit News
Michigan could land the men's basketball coach it coveted, West Virginia's John Beilein, in the next two days, possibly as early as today. U-M athletic director Bill Martin has targeted Beilein all along, and according to two sources, Beilein, 54, appears very interested in the job. Martin was in Atlanta for the Final Four to interview candidates, but U-M has primarily pursued Beilein. West Virginia just won the NIT championship and finished with a 27-9 record. In Beilein's five seasons there, the Mountaineers are 104-60 and have gone to the NCAA Tournament twice, reaching the Elite Eight in 2005. Martin, with the help of an advisory committee, has been seeking a new coach since he fired Tommy Amaker on March 17. Beilein is considered an excellent tactician. U-M has hoped that would compensate for his lack of coaching ties to the Midwest. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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I wouldn't bet money on Huggins being the replacement. As I said earlier, he is an alum and his father still lives in Morgantown, but most WVU folks either love him or hate him, and apparently the AD and president fall in the latter category. I would love to have him, because he is a good, established coach and I think he would retire at WVU, so we could quit dealing with the Beilein drama every offseason. Others think he is "dirty," and point to his poor graduation rates and his DUI arrest a few years ago, which are all legitimate causes of concern. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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It looks like Beilein to Michigan will be announced anytime now.
Hate to see him go, as he is a good man and a great coach, but I'll also be glad to not have to deal with him shopping himself around every offseason. It will be interesting to see how (or even if) he recruits Detroit, as he seems to prefer more polished recruits with good fundamentals over the athletic, streetball-types. Many people think his offense is to just chuck up three-pointers and hope you win, but I think he can win with far fewer threes and more slashers and his defense will be much, much better with more athletic players that are easier to draw to Ann Arbor than Morgantown, WV. I think his biggest challenge will be conveying that to the players/parents/coaches. Anyway, he is a real class act and a very good Xs-and-Os guy, so I think Michigan will enjoy him. At 55-years old, this could be his last stop, so maybe he'll let some grass grow under his feet for once in his life. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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Hope so. Rumor is all the recruits coming in will stay contrary to the reports out there. Alex Leigon said at a Chicago Camp he'd stay if Beiline was the coach because the offense is a perfect fit for him. As far as recruiting Detroit, the AAU coaches aren't fans of the Beiline hire but consider Tommy didn't do much to endear them it's not like this is the worst news ever. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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Dola: a 10 am presser is allegedly scheduled for tomorrow.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Getting those three guys to stick would be a blessing for him. I think they will have the chance to demonstrate that his offense can work with different types of players and give him a chance to open future recruits' eyes with them. Quote:
From what I am hearing, he has stopped talking to WVU officials, so my guess is that he has gotten the buyout taken care of and gotten a contract he is happy with from Michigan. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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Indeed.
Also Swaggs .. any idea about this guy Terelle Pryor? Hes a 2008 recruit. This is from a Michigan board.. 5 star recruit from the class of 2008 that is interested in Michigan might be closer to comitting to michigan because he was also interested in west virginia when beilein was coaching there. bring beilein to a better program and you might have terrele pryor coming with him |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Pryor is a two sport superstar from Western PA; he is also a QB. He could be a top recruit in either sport. Not sure if he is leaning towards football or basketball.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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I know quite a bit about him. He is an excellent basketball player, but most folks think he will end up playing football (or try to play both). I don't think he ever really considered West Virginia for basketball, but may like our football team based on proximity to his home and (probably more importantly) he is a Pat White/Vince Young-type of quarterback. He is going to be one of the top football recruits in the country. He is supposedly looking to play both in college, but if he seriously wants to play quarterback (he is also considered a great WR prospect), I don't see how he would play basketball, too. Right now, I think he will end up playing quarterback at Ohio State, with Penn State and Pittsburgh as other possibilities. Michigan certainly has the football weight to get after him and put in a good run to get him, too, but I would be surprised if he went to Michigan to play basketball because of Beilein. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA
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Pryor goes to school at the district right next to me and I got to ref one of his scrimmages last year. He is an amazing athlete in both sports, but I think he has more upside in football rather than in basketball. I think he is so good in basketball because he is just so much bigger than the rest of the kids.
He has stated that he wants to stay close to home to play and from what I hear it'll be a tOSU/PSU race till the end. He doesn't plan on deciding until close to signing day. |
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Sylvania, Ohio
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Pryor is a star in both sports, but may be the top player in the contry for football. He wants to play both, but thats his future. Unless he decides to play something other than QB(unlikely) hes not coming to Michigan. Like Bsak says, it will most likely come down to those schools closer to home.
As far as Amaker's incoming recruits, I dont think anyone knows what will happen. Harris and Grady are the most likely to stay, but Grady's dad doesnt seem to like beilein much. I have heard that Alex Legion is by far the most likely to leave and could already be gone. Hopefully things work out. |
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