BATracer general discussion (also if you're looking for a teammate) - Page 5

Scoobz0202 · 07-26-2007, 01:57 PM

I would if my slots were not full.

TonyR · 07-26-2007, 03:07 PM

I'm in the FOFC Indy Car series.
I have 3 private league, 1 public, and 2 mid season slots left open if anyone needs a teammate.

Brillig · 07-26-2007, 04:09 PM

Is it just me or is the BATracer site horribly slow now?

FrogMan · 07-26-2007, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillig

Is it just me or is the BATracer site horribly slow now?

it was very, very slow mayb 20 minutes ago, have nto tried it since...

FM

FrogMan · 07-26-2007, 04:16 PM

it seems much better now though...

FM

Scoobz0202 · 07-26-2007, 04:58 PM

I have noticed that it has been really slow lately.

FrogMan · 07-26-2007, 08:43 PM

that clan thing has made the spammers come out of the woods, look at this gem:

From:	Ben Allen
Subject:	hey
Posted:	21:46 Yesterday
hey ur in this game im in, u look pretty good, take a look at are clan and see if you want to join cheers ben

HEY U BIG HONKING IDIOT, I DON'T SPEAK LIKE THAT!!! AND IT'S OUR, NOT ARE!!!

FM

PS: I gotta say that I'm kicking all sorts of ass in that game, a midseason replacement F1 2007 with BMW Sauber in which I came only a couple races into the season, with the guy in 1st place and I'm still in first. The last race we did, I started 19th and won it.

FrogMan · 07-26-2007, 08:45 PM

dola, and my world ranking is dropping every time I check it. I was 629th at one point, 744th an hour later and I now sit in 929th place...

FM

DanGarion · 07-27-2007, 09:43 AM

We are number 21 out of 28 clans! Hehh.

Mr. Wednesday · 07-27-2007, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan

dola, and my world ranking is dropping every time I check it. I was 629th at one point, 744th an hour later and I now sit in 929th place...

Yeah, unfortunately, as they keep computing world rankings, they keep finding guys better than me.

Out of the top 100 last I checked.

FrogMan · 07-27-2007, 03:00 PM

I was down to 1452nd last I checked, heh...

FM

Mr. Wednesday · 07-27-2007, 03:14 PM

I think the big thing that will push you up in the rankings is winning a public championship.

I still have a couple of issues with the rankings. First is the question of whether they adequately address cherry-picking, second is that I doubt they divide between pre- and post-mid-season-replacement eras. It was a lot different racing when you'd have half (or more) of the field abandoned by the midway point in a season.

Brillig · 07-27-2007, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan

I was down to 1452nd last I checked, heh...

FM

I have no idea how I rate ahead of you, I still don't know what I'm doing.

SnDvls · 07-27-2007, 03:51 PM

is another FOFC league going to start up soon with only one race left in the current one?

FrogMan · 07-27-2007, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

is another FOFC league going to start up soon with only one race left in the current one?

no clue, but we've lost many players in this one. As I posted in the series chat, only 18 of 24 drivers ran practice laps prior to the qualifying for Laguna Seca and four drives are available when you check the join midseason game page with our series number...

FM

SnDvls · 07-27-2007, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan

no clue, but we've lost many players in this one. As I posted in the series chat, only 18 of 24 drivers ran practice laps prior to the qualifying for Laguna Seca and four drives are available when you check the join midseason game page with our series number...

FM

maybe we need to start with a smaller starting field if that is possible.

FrogMan · 07-27-2007, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillig

I have no idea how I rate ahead of you, I still don't know what I'm doing.

what's your name in the game?

FM

FrogMan · 07-27-2007, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

maybe we need to start with a smaller starting field if that is possible.

it's always possible, every series have their limitations as to what minimum of drivers you need to have before you say go. Thing is, we always try to get as many people from here as possible, leading to people signing up and then disappearing...

FM

FrogMan · 07-27-2007, 05:40 PM

just realized that in all series together, I have now started over 150 races. Good thing I'm off work for summer vacations and am running 12 series at once.

8 of those starts resulted in wins

FM

Neon_Chaos · 07-27-2007, 10:50 PM

Do we have a FOFC clan in batracer?

FrogMan · 07-27-2007, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Do we have a FOFC clan in batracer?

yes, yes we do, simply search for FOFC in the clan search page and send a PM to Daniel Schoonover (DanGarion here) so he can send you and invite into it...

FM

kingfc22 · 07-28-2007, 12:44 AM

So do we have a new game starting?

Neon_Chaos · 07-28-2007, 06:50 AM

I have one private game slot open, just say so if we've got a FOFC series going on.

FrogMan · 07-28-2007, 09:37 AM

To the guys who signed up for the Pacific Racing Challenge Season 5, I'm disappointed in you. I vouched for you, talked all kinds of good about you so you would have an all FOFC team of three and now two of you have disappeared, leaving Travis (sorry, can't seem to make the connection with an FOFC name here) alone and fumbling to find replacements. That's not very good. I know shit can happen in real life, but least you could have done would have been to let your teammate know so he could go and try to find replacements before he's lost a couple races of time... That sucks for him, and for our name...

FM

MrBug708 · 07-28-2007, 09:47 AM

Every time I sign up for an FOFC league my teammates bail on and I've lost most of my interest in this game. It had such good promise too

FrogMan · 07-28-2007, 09:50 AM

well, I play many other series and it's not only with FOFCers that you can have fun. Yeah, some are frustrating, but some are tons of fun...

FM

FrogMan · 07-28-2007, 09:56 AM

dola, one good challenge I'm in is one of the V8 single team. Yeah, I don't expect to win many, if any at all, but every little success means a great deal to me. That and there are three races out of 4 days and you keep on working on the setup over the three day events... Currently in 13th place out of 31, the highest of the three single team drivers...

FM

Mr. Wednesday · 07-29-2007, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan

Travis (sorry, can't seem to make the connection with an FOFC name here)

SnDvls, I assume.

kingfc22 · 07-29-2007, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan

To the guys who signed up for the Pacific Racing Challenge Season 5, I'm disappointed in you. I vouched for you, talked all kinds of good about you so you would have an all FOFC team of three and now two of you have disappeared, leaving Travis (sorry, can't seem to make the connection with an FOFC name here) alone and fumbling to find replacements. That's not very good. I know shit can happen in real life, but least you could have done would have been to let your teammate know so he could go and try to find replacements before he's lost a couple races of time... That sucks for him, and for our name...

FM

Do you have the ID so I can try to replace a driver?

Emiliano · 07-29-2007, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan

just realized that in all series together, I have now started over 150 races. Good thing I'm off work for summer vacations and am running 12 series at once.

8 of those starts resulted in wins

FM

Frog=BatRacer wizard.

Oh and BTW, go Tasman!

Emiliano · 07-29-2007, 05:34 AM

Guys, to clarify this once for all: is the super-official FOFC IndyCar league the ID#15590??? Because I always get a "game full" message. Are there some spots available or not? I'd love to join.

FrogMan · 07-29-2007, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emiliano

Guys, to clarify this once for all: is the super-official FOFC IndyCar league the ID#15590??? Because I always get a "game full" message. Are there some spots available or not? I'd love to join.

yeah, it was. The series is over, is why you get a "no drives available" message.

FM

FrogMan · 07-29-2007, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Do you have the ID so I can try to replace a driver?

One was replaced and apparently the other came back to life, it's all full for now. The guy who got to the Front Office Racing, Mark Thomas, is a really nice guy. He's my teammate in my BTCC production series and has helped understand many things, as well as help me be in 2nd place, within reaching distance of the Championship so far...

FM

Emiliano · 07-29-2007, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan

yeah, it was. The series is over, is why you get a "no drives available" message.

FM

Good. Well, what we're waiting for, let's start a new one now!

What series do you guys prefer?

Voo · 07-29-2007, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vex

Umm, Voo, did you sleep in and miss the qualifying or what?

Yeah. For one of the races I didn't want to waste the soft tires, so instead of just switching to normal for one run I chose to do just the second run. So on the next race it was just one run and I didn't think to look at it and click the make this run button. Hence the non attempt to qualify.

Emiliano · 07-29-2007, 05:32 PM

Brand new public A1GP series created, game #16670, plenty of nations still available. I finally joined as Italy.

FrogMan · 07-29-2007, 07:10 PM

The A1GP has grown old quick for me. Not too sure why. There are short races in both the BTCC and V8 series, yet I like these two much more. Even a V8 as a single driver team is more fun to me.

Speaking of series and all, would people be in for a fourth FOFC series or should we wait that the summer vacation period dies down? I was thinking maybe a BTCC single class (either touring OR production) that would allow up to 16 drivers in (or maybe more, would need to be tested). Would make for good competition, especially in the production series where most of the cars are similar with only some tiny differences between them...

Just thought I'd see how people feel about it...

FM

Mr. Wednesday · 07-30-2007, 01:44 PM

I'll be up for whatever private game we should come up with next.

MrIllini · 07-30-2007, 04:29 PM

I've started a new F1 2007 private game

league: 16719
pass: hornsmaniac

I'm going to try something different and make a smaller league...so once the top 6 or 7 teams fill up I'm going to close it down and start the league. FYI.

MrIllini · 07-30-2007, 04:33 PM

um, to be more clear

PLEASE DO NOT SIGN UP FOR TORO ROSSO, SPYKER, RED BULL

Brillig · 07-30-2007, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan

The A1GP has grown old quick for me. Not too sure why. There are short races in both the BTCC and V8 series, yet I like these two much more. Even a V8 as a single driver team is more fun to me.

Speaking of series and all, would people be in for a fourth FOFC series or should we wait that the summer vacation period dies down? I was thinking maybe a BTCC single class (either touring OR production) that would allow up to 16 drivers in (or maybe more, would need to be tested). Would make for good competition, especially in the production series where most of the cars are similar with only some tiny differences between them...

Just thought I'd see how people feel about it...

FM

My personal problem with A1GP is that it's just too random. Without the ability to select Thinker or Charisma, all it takes is one bad roll in practice, and you've basically screwed the next three days.

Emiliano · 07-30-2007, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrIllini

I've started a new F1 2007 private game

league: 16719
pass: hornsmaniac

I'm going to try something different and make a smaller league...so once the top 6 or 7 teams fill up I'm going to close it down and start the league. FYI.

Signed up!

FrogMan · 07-30-2007, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillig

My personal problem with A1GP is that it's just too random. Without the ability to select Thinker or Charisma, all it takes is one bad roll in practice, and you've basically screwed the next three days.

but still even with a V8, I have the feeling that much more interesting stuff can happen with the V8, even though I pretty much everyone of my three race event start for me with a couple strikes. The reverse grid events, the total mayhems and all, they make the V8's more fun than the A1GP, or at least that's my feeling...

FM

Mr. Wednesday · 07-30-2007, 06:04 PM

I can think of several factors favoring the V8s over A1:
* Point structure keeps fights for places interesting over the entire field, whereas in A1, 11th is no different from 25th. I'm happy with a top 10 finish in V8s, but I don't like being lower than 6th in A1. (The A1 setup favors more aggressive driver settings, but the V8 setup produces a more interesting race.)

* Reverse grid races make it somewhat easier to score a good finish after an unlucky first round (although if you retire you're starting from the back).

* Longer races lead to more room for action.

I'm not sure if there are more passes in V8s than A1 or no.

Mr. Wednesday · 07-30-2007, 06:30 PM

From the department of LOL, in one of the academy games, a racer won the championship by default. Every single other driver was a midseason replacement or an opt-out.

He took it home with a total of 2 pts in a Toyota.

FrogMan · 07-30-2007, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I can think of several factors favoring the V8s over A1:
* Point structure keeps fights for places interesting over the entire field, whereas in A1, 11th is no different from 25th. I'm happy with a top 10 finish in V8s, but I don't like being lower than 6th in A1. (The A1 setup favors more aggressive driver settings, but the V8 setup produces a more interesting race.)

* Reverse grid races make it somewhat easier to score a good finish after an unlucky first round (although if you retire you're starting from the back).

* Longer races lead to more room for action.

I'm not sure if there are more passes in V8s than A1 or no.

all very valid points and one more regarding the point structure is the penalty with not finishing a race. I'm sometimes very, very happy to limp to a 24th place out of 31, maybe even as I drop from say 10th place with 6 laps to go, because I know I will still get points. I that case, I still have an interest for the last 6 laps. That certainly wouldn't be the same in A1GP.

FM

Brillig · 07-30-2007, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I can think of several factors favoring the V8s over A1:
* Point structure keeps fights for places interesting over the entire field, whereas in A1, 11th is no different from 25th. I'm happy with a top 10 finish in V8s, but I don't like being lower than 6th in A1. (The A1 setup favors more aggressive driver settings, but the V8 setup produces a more interesting race.)

* Reverse grid races make it somewhat easier to score a good finish after an unlucky first round (although if you retire you're starting from the back).

* Longer races lead to more room for action.

I'm not sure if there are more passes in V8s than A1 or no.

A cursory examination suggests that there's no more passing in V8 than A1. I agree with everything else though.

Lathum · 07-30-2007, 09:29 PM

are there any versions that don't give an advantage to having teammates?

FrogMan · 07-30-2007, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

are there any versions that don't give an advantage to having teammates?

Well, there are no teams in the A1GP, but as we just said, it can be a bit frustrating.

FM

MrIllini · 07-30-2007, 10:06 PM

F1 league is almost ready to go...if we can 1 more Renault driver and a couple to fill the Toyota team, I'll start it up

thanks guys

07-26-2007, 03:07 PM	#202
TonyR High School Varsity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas	I'm in the FOFC Indy Car series. I have 3 private league, 1 public, and 2 mid season slots left open if anyone needs a teammate. __________________ XBox360 GamerTag - Tonyr76 Former HTer

07-26-2007, 04:16 PM	#205
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	it seems much better now though... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

07-26-2007, 08:45 PM	#208
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	dola, and my world ranking is dropping every time I check it. I was 629th at one point, 744th an hour later and I now sit in 929th place... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

07-27-2007, 09:43 AM	#209
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	We are number 21 out of 28 clans! Hehh. __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

07-27-2007, 03:00 PM	#211
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	I was down to 1452nd last I checked, heh... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog... Last edited by FrogMan : 07-27-2007 at 03:05 PM.

07-26-2007, 01:57 PM	#201
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	I would if my slots were not full.

07-26-2007, 04:09 PM	#203
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	Is it just me or is the BATracer site horribly slow now?

07-26-2007, 04:58 PM	#206
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	I have noticed that it has been really slow lately.

07-27-2007, 03:14 PM	#212
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I think the big thing that will push you up in the rankings is winning a public championship. I still have a couple of issues with the rankings. First is the question of whether they adequately address cherry-picking, second is that I doubt they divide between pre- and post-mid-season-replacement eras. It was a lot different racing when you'd have half (or more) of the field abandoned by the midway point in a season. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

07-27-2007, 03:51 PM	#214
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	is another FOFC league going to start up soon with only one race left in the current one?

07-27-2007, 05:40 PM	#219
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	just realized that in all series together, I have now started over 150 races. Good thing I'm off work for summer vacations and am running 12 series at once. 8 of those starts resulted in wins FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

07-27-2007, 10:50 PM	#220
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Do we have a FOFC clan in batracer? __________________ Come and see.

07-28-2007, 12:44 AM	#222
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	So do we have a new game starting? __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-28-2007, 06:50 AM	#223
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	I have one private game slot open, just say so if we've got a FOFC series going on. __________________ Come and see.

07-28-2007, 09:37 AM	#224
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	To the guys who signed up for the Pacific Racing Challenge Season 5, I'm disappointed in you. I vouched for you, talked all kinds of good about you so you would have an all FOFC team of three and now two of you have disappeared, leaving Travis (sorry, can't seem to make the connection with an FOFC name here) alone and fumbling to find replacements. That's not very good. I know shit can happen in real life, but least you could have done would have been to let your teammate know so he could go and try to find replacements before he's lost a couple races of time... That sucks for him, and for our name... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

07-28-2007, 09:47 AM	#225
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Every time I sign up for an FOFC league my teammates bail on and I've lost most of my interest in this game. It had such good promise too

07-28-2007, 09:50 AM	#226
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	well, I play many other series and it's not only with FOFCers that you can have fun. Yeah, some are frustrating, but some are tons of fun... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

07-28-2007, 09:56 AM	#227
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	dola, one good challenge I'm in is one of the V8 single team. Yeah, I don't expect to win many, if any at all, but every little success means a great deal to me. That and there are three races out of 4 days and you keep on working on the setup over the three day events... Currently in 13th place out of 31, the highest of the three single team drivers... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

07-29-2007, 05:34 AM	#231
Emiliano College Prospect Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nuremberg, Germany	Guys, to clarify this once for all: is the super-official FOFC IndyCar league the ID#15590??? Because I always get a "game full" message. Are there some spots available or not? I'd love to join. __________________ Xbox Live&PSN: Emiliano81 GM of the Rome Gladiators in the WOOF

07-29-2007, 05:32 PM	#236
Emiliano College Prospect Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nuremberg, Germany	Brand new public A1GP series created, game #16670, plenty of nations still available. I finally joined as Italy. __________________ Xbox Live&PSN: Emiliano81 GM of the Rome Gladiators in the WOOF

07-29-2007, 07:10 PM	#237
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	The A1GP has grown old quick for me. Not too sure why. There are short races in both the BTCC and V8 series, yet I like these two much more. Even a V8 as a single driver team is more fun to me. Speaking of series and all, would people be in for a fourth FOFC series or should we wait that the summer vacation period dies down? I was thinking maybe a BTCC single class (either touring OR production) that would allow up to 16 drivers in (or maybe more, would need to be tested). Would make for good competition, especially in the production series where most of the cars are similar with only some tiny differences between them... Just thought I'd see how people feel about it... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

07-30-2007, 01:44 PM	#238
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I'll be up for whatever private game we should come up with next. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

07-30-2007, 04:29 PM	#239
MrIllini High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where you live	I've started a new F1 2007 private game league: 16719 pass: hornsmaniac I'm going to try something different and make a smaller league...so once the top 6 or 7 teams fill up I'm going to close it down and start the league. FYI. __________________ if i said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?

07-30-2007, 04:33 PM	#240
MrIllini High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where you live	um, to be more clear PLEASE DO NOT SIGN UP FOR TORO ROSSO, SPYKER, RED BULL __________________ if i said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?

07-30-2007, 06:04 PM	#244
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I can think of several factors favoring the V8s over A1: * Point structure keeps fights for places interesting over the entire field, whereas in A1, 11th is no different from 25th. I'm happy with a top 10 finish in V8s, but I don't like being lower than 6th in A1. (The A1 setup favors more aggressive driver settings, but the V8 setup produces a more interesting race.) * Reverse grid races make it somewhat easier to score a good finish after an unlucky first round (although if you retire you're starting from the back). * Longer races lead to more room for action. I'm not sure if there are more passes in V8s than A1 or no. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

07-30-2007, 06:30 PM	#245
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	From the department of LOL, in one of the academy games, a racer won the championship by default. Every single other driver was a midseason replacement or an opt-out. He took it home with a total of 2 pts in a Toyota. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

07-30-2007, 09:29 PM	#248
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	are there any versions that don't give an advantage to having teammates?

07-30-2007, 10:06 PM	#250
MrIllini High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where you live	F1 league is almost ready to go...if we can 1 more Renault driver and a couple to fill the Toyota team, I'll start it up thanks guys __________________ if i said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?

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