Wondering how this works..

[korme]

Ok, as many of you know, the Reds/Phils brawled a few nights ago. I've been meaning to ask how this goes down in the statbook.

Silva throws a ball at Dunn. Count is 1-0. Silva throws again after the warning, both Silva and Dunn (along with Casey) are ejected.

In comes Hector Mercado. Wily Mo Pena is batting for Dunn. The count is already 2-0. Mercado throws 2 more balls and Pena takes his base.

Who gets credit for the walk, Pena or Dunn? Who gets credit for walking the batter, Silva or Mercado?

[Craptacular]

I would think Pena and Mercado get it.

[korme]

I actually heard Silva since he started it, gets the walk, but people were unsure about which batter takes the walk..

anyone else? ScottVib?

[primelord]

Well looking at the box score for the game Silva was charged with the walk and Pena was credited with the walk.

[Craptacular]

Even though they never faced each other in the at-bat. That makes sense.

[dawgfan]

Interesting. I know that when a pitcher relieves another pitcher in the middle of an at-bat, the most recent pitcher gets the credit for the outcome no matter what the count is. I hadn't realized that the same was not true for a batter as well. Odd...

[kcchief19]

10.17
(a) A strikeout shall be scored whenever: (1) A batter is put out by a third strike caught by the catcher; (2) A batter is put out by a third strike not caught when there is a runner on first before two are out; (3) A batter becomes a runner because a third strike is not caught; (4) A batter bunts foul on third strike. EXCEPTION: If such bunt on third strike results in a foul fly caught by any fielder, do not score a strikeout. Credit the fielder who catches such foul fly with a putout. (b) When the batter leaves the game with two strikes against him, and the substitute batter completes a strikeout, charge the strikeout and the time at bat to the first batter. If the substitute batter completes the turn at bat in any other manner, including a base on balls, score the action as having been that of the substitute batter.

The original batter can only be charged with a strikeout if he leaves with two strikes. Otherwise, the pinch hitter gets the credit/blame.

10.18
(h) A relief pitcher shall not be held accountable when the first batter to whom he pitches reaches first base on four called balls if such batter has a decided advantage in the ball and strike count when pitchers are changed. (1) If, when pitchers are changed, the count is 2 balls, no strike, 2 balls, 1 strike, 3 balls, no strike, 3 balls, 1 strike, 3 balls, 2 strikes, and the batter gets a base on balls, charge that batter and the base on balls to the preceding pitcher, not to the relief pitcher. (2) Any other action by such batter, such as reaching base on a hit, an error, a fielder's choice, a force out, or being touched by a pitched ball, shall cause such a batter to be charged to the relief pitcher. NOTE: The provisions of 10.18 (h) (2) shall not be construed as affecting or conflicting with the provisions of 10.18 (g). (3) If, when pitchers are changed, the count is 2 balls, 2 strikes, 1 ball, 2 strikes, 1 ball, 1 strike, 1 ball, no strike, no ball, 2 strikes, no ball, 1 strike, charge that batter and his actions to the relief pitcher.

There you go. Granted, in a case like this the outcome might not make sense -- a pitcher and a batter who never faced each other are charged with the walk, but I think you would be challenged to come up with a rules/scoring scenario not covered in the rule book.

[Samdari]

Originally posted by dawgfan
I know that when a pitcher relieves another pitcher in the middle of an at-bat, the most recent pitcher gets the credit for the outcome no matter what the count is.

But that is not what happened here. Silva started pitching the walk, and Mercado finished it, yet the box score says Silva was charged with the walk.

[tucker342]

a little off topic(sorry) but that tackle by Leberthal(sp?) was really funny