WW LXVI: Money Money Money (Game Over!)

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That was Lathum on Day One, I believe. And, yes, for hoops to have gotten it, Lathum would have had to have had that $15K in the bank. And he could only have put it in that night (having just received it).

Then I think that suggests the requests to put money in bank/CDs/etc is processed before the wolf kill then.

[Chief Rum]

And that means DT's plan is a plausible option at this point.

Of course, we would be mostly relying on people to self-report, but it might be difficult to hide excess cash, considering I know the Bank totals, and someone bought the Financial Analyst tonight.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

And that means DT's plan is a plausible option at this point.

Of course, we would be mostly relying on people to self-report, but it might be difficult to hide excess cash, considering I know the Bank totals, and someone bought the Financial Analyst tonight.

I tried to buy the Financial Analyst, but got way over bid. I tried to get the PI Last night as well and got overbid on that as well. I think one possible thing we can do is if Chief can identify someone who looks fishy with their bank totals, he gives the name tonight for the financial analyst to check them out for tommorrow.

[Alan T]

Well. Bed time for me. I'll be back in the morning.

[DaddyTorgo]

let me clarify: I didn't mean to suggets that plan for right now, I meant it in general

[DaddyTorgo]

just as a topic for discussion

[Schmidty]

I'm assuming that I'm target #1, and I understand why. I have no defense.

Here's where I'm at: I have $45,000 on hand. I went to bed and forgot to put any in the bank or in CDs. If it appears that I am going down, I will spread my money out by 3-4 pm PST because I will need to go to sleep.

I know this rings hollow, but I'm just a villager/rich guy. I haven't been converted (why would they when I'm a lynch target), and I don't know what else to say. I haven't got a good reason to vote for anyone, although I do have a "gut" feeling again, but I'm not saying anything, since we know how well that went earlier in the game.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm assuming that I'm target #1, and I understand why. I have no defense.

Here's where I'm at: I have $45,000 on hand. I went to bed and forgot to put any in the bank or in CDs. If it appears that I am going down, I will spread my money out by 3-4 pm PST because I will need to go to sleep.

I know this rings hollow, but I'm just a villager/rich guy. I haven't been converted (why would they when I'm a lynch target), and I don't know what else to say. I haven't got a good reason to vote for anyone, although I do have a "gut" feeling again, but I'm not saying anything, since we know how well that went earlier in the game.

Schmidty, I didn't think anyone would be around otherwise I would have posted sooner.

I believe you're good now. I will make my case shortly.

Also, do me a favor and announce who your beneficiary is currently. Yes, it sounds crazy, but the wolves have almost certainly bought the Notary Public, and they will change your beneficiary (they have until tonight) and kill you and take your money (or they will do it to someone, and we can't stop it). This way, they can't spin it. They might not even get to use it at all, except to misdirect.

My beneficiary is The Jackal.

[Schmidty]

My beneficiary was path12.

[Chief Rum]

Well, I'm glad it was someone dead. I think I might send you $10K to change it. I will change mine. I had the days wrong. The wolves would have had until Night 6 (last night) to change someone's bene. The plan would be to change someone's bene to the convert (someone not suspected), then kill that person and so, no surprise, look the killed person sent money to this pretty much cleared person.

This actually happened on Night 5. I have a huge theory that I need to get out now before I go to bed, because I won't be around at all tomorrow (working both jobs, V-Day at the restaurant of course).

SEND SCHMIDTY $10,000

[Chief Rum]

1191 Alan's "no evidence" post on Mr Wed as Cutthroat

Tally on N4 (noting for Wolf Convert point)

Alan T: $30 + $15*4 votes - $21.455 (D2 Tele) - $38.5 (D3 PI)=
Chief Rum: $30 + $15*4 votes - $12.5 (D3 BG) - $5 (D4 FOB)=
Daddy Torgo: $30 + $15*4 votes=
The Jackal: $30 + $15*3 votes= ($78K as of end of N4)
Mr. Wednesday: $30 + $15*4 votes + saldana inherit$ - $40 (D3 Thief)=
Schmidty: $30 + $15*4 votes-$25 (D2 PI)=
SnDvls: $30 + $15*4 votes=

WOLVES AS GROUP: $90 + $15*11 votes + path12 inherit$ + Wolf Convert $ (as of N4) - Service Bids (as of N4)=


Okay, I'll try to run it down here. You guys can correct me if I am missing something. Here are the remaining players, in alphabetical order, and then the wolves (I am assuming 3 wolves at start, and all active enough to always vote, and they move money to other wolves before lynch):

Nonvotes: Swaggs (lynched D1 no $), Arles x 3, Render x 2, The Jackal x 3
Claimed to change bene: hoops, path, Render

Alan T: $30 + $15*7 votes - $21.455 (D2 Tele) - $38.5 (D3 PI) + Tyrith inherit$= $75K + Tyrith's inherit$ (max $95K)
Chief Rum: $30 + $15*7 votes - $12.5 (D3 BG) - $5 (D4 FOB) + $97 (hoops inherit$ N5) - $140 (Underworld D6) - $1 (FOB D7)= $73.5K
Daddy Torgo: $30 + $15*7 votes= $135K
The Jackal: $30 + $15*4 votes= $90K ($78K as of end of N4)
Mr. Wednesday: $30 + $15*7 votes + saldana inherit$ - $40 (D3 Thief) + $9 (Thief from clap N4)= $104K + saldana inherit$ (max $50K)
Schmidty: $30 + $15*7 votes - $25 (D2 PI) - $70 (D5 Hitman)= $40K
SnDvls: $30 + $15*7 votes - $20 (extra votes)= $115K

WOLVES AS GROUP: $90 + $15*17 votes + path12 inherit$ - $100K bribe + Wolf Convert $ (as of N4) - clap $ in CDs - Service Bids= $245K + path12 inherit$ (max $65K) + Wolf Convert $ (prob about $90K) - clap$ in CDs (pure guess, $30K) - Service Bids = about $370K - Service Bids

D1 PI (7500) = Lathum prob
D1 FOB (7) = Pass
D1 G Insider (30000) = Render
Swaggs lynched

N1 hoops inherits from Lathum (max not counting CD int = $45K)

D2 hoops gifts $6000 each to DT and Arles
D2 hoops gets $6500 from mauboy

D2 FOB (51) = Pass
D2 PI (25000) = Schmidty (scanned saldana)
D2 BG (2500) = ?
D2 Telecom (21455) = Alan (made wolves quiet)
saldana extra vote (-$10K)
mauboy1 lynched

N2 Mr. Wed inherits from saldana (max not counting CD int = $50K)

D3 BG (12500) = Chief (protected self)
D3 Thief (40002) = Mr Wed (stole from $9K from clap)
D3 PI (38500) = Alan (hoops N3 and Mr Wed N4, says both good)
no one lynched (tie)

N3 Pass inherits from path (max not counting CD int = $65K)

D4 FOB (5000) = Chief
D4 Wiretapper (66000) = hoopsguy (gained $46668 back, for a net $19332 cost)
D4 Financial Analyst (10107) = Tyrith (used on Jackyl, $78K)
D4 Notary Public (25005) = ?
Passacaglia lynched (we learn in lynch that Schmidty was his bene and he had no $)
BK announces Arles is withdrawn from game (money with him)

N4 no kill (presumed wolf conversion at $100K)
Mr Wed steals $ from clap

D5 BG (55863) = SnDvls?
D5 Lawyer (1501) = ?
D5 Hitman (69866) = Schmidty (kills hoops)
SnDvls 2 extra votes on clap (-$20K)
Claphamsa is lynched

N5 Alan T inherits from Tyrith (wolf kill from w/u, max not counting CD int = $95K)
N5 Chief inherits $97K from hoops (the hitman kill)

D6 Underworld (140000) = Chief
D6 PI (70700) = ?
Render lynch attempt but has gov't insider (no lynch)

N6 no kill (blocked by Underworld Connection)

D7 BG (41500) = ?
D7 Financial Analyst (91123) = ?
D7 FOB (1000) = Chief
Render lynch attempt #2 (succeeds)

N7 Chief sends Schmidty $10K

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Okay, I'll try to run it down here. You guys can correct me if I am missing something. Here are the remaining players, in alphabetical order, and then the wolves (I am assuming 3 wolves at start, and all active enough to always vote, and they move money to other wolves before lynch):

Alan T: $30 + $15*7 votes - $21.455 (D2 Tele) - $38.5 (D3 PI) + Tyrith inherit$= $75K + Tyrith's inherit$ (max $95K)
Chief Rum: $30 + $15*7 votes - $12.5 (D3 BG) - $5 (D4 FOB) + $97 (hoops inherit$ N5) - $140 (Underworld D6) - $1 (FOB D7)= $73.5K
Daddy Torgo: $30 + $15*7 votes= $135K
The Jackal: $30 + $15*4 votes= $90K ($78K as of end of N4)
Mr. Wednesday: $30 + $15*7 votes + saldana inherit$ - $40 (D3 Thief) + $9 (Thief from clap N4)= $104K + saldana inherit$ (max $50K)
Schmidty: $30 + $15*7 votes - $25 (D2 PI) - $70 (D5 Hitman)= $40K
SnDvls: $30 + $15*7 votes - $20 (extra votes)= $115K


WOLVES AS GROUP: $90 + $15*17 votes + path12 inherit$ - $100K bribe + Wolf Convert $ (as of N4) - clap $ in CDs - Service Bids= $245K + path12 inherit$ (max $65K) + Wolf Convert $ (prob about $90K) - clap$ in CDs (pure guess, $30K) - Service Bids = about $370K - Service Bids

Okay, it's going to be hard to follow all that above. Here is the good stuff. I went through the thread and listed out the key money changes I caught (see the day by night info below this quoted part in the post prior to this).

The above is an estimate of where we should all be given what has been posted in the thread. This does not include gains from CDs, and of course, I don't know every service bid (and people could be lying, too, of course).

All told, the seven of us have about $777.5 minus the successful service bids where the money it was paid for is still in the game (either the service winner is in the game or received money from a player who won the service). The wolves have about $370K minus what they have paid for service bids. Since they won't have won all unknown service bids, their subtraction wiull be smaller than ours. It seems likely our total will be about $600K and theirs $300K. Since the wolves are among us, their $300K is part of our $600K. And that means if we were to vote End Game, we would very likely lose.

So DO NOT VOTE END GAME!!!

Now to my theory...

[Chief Rum]

First, let me clear some people (or as clear as I can get them)...

Schmidty-- Schmidty's money is just about dead on what he just said it would be. On Day 2, he won the PI and no one challenged him. Pass, a known wolf, said he won FOB that day and that's very risky for a wolf to say when someone could challenge them. Ergo, Pass DID win FOC that day. And I think the wolves can only bid on one service per day or we would see more going to them. So if Pass won a service on D2 and is a wolf and Schmidty won a service on D2, Schmidty cannot be a wolf.

SnDvls-- SnDvls has been much thrown around, and I admit this is mostly conjecture. But hoops, a proven good guy, showed that clap and SnDvls had "linked" votes that are unlikely for two wolves to do, and clap is a proven wolf. clap also leaped on hoops vote of SnDvls the other day to try to save himself. And Pass went hard after SnDvls early. And SnDvls spent actual cash (unnecessary actually) to ensure clap was lynched on D5. IMO, SnDvls is pretty clearly good.

The Jackal-- Tyrith, a known good guy, said The Jackal had $78K in net worth as of N4, and that is pretty much exactly what he would have had at that point without bidding on any services (he missed one vote at that point). So he didn't bid on any services early on (is that likely for a wolf?). Hoops a known good guy, was not pushed to death by the wolves (including Pass) when he was up against The Jackal in a D3 showdown, which would have made sense if The Jackal were a wolf. And The Jackal has missed three votes, when votes mean money and money means victory. You think a wolf would do that?

DaddyTorgo-- DT was the vote that got the ball rolling on Pass on D4. Personally, I think that's enough right there. But my gut says he's good, too, and really, hardly anyone has been able to come up with something on him, last I checked.

Chief Rum-- If typing this up isn't enough for you, then remember that I bought the Underworld Connection the other night--post conversion--and there was no kill that night. No kill == village. Two kills == wolf.

Now to the two left...

[Chief Rum]

Guys, we are getting the wool pulled over our eyes by two of the best-- Alan T and Mr. Wednesday.

It just became more and more obvious as I went through the money and considered the possibilities and what I would do as a wolf.

Mr. Wednesday is the last original wolf, and Alan T is the convert. Alan T was a full-fledged good villager up until N4!

The first two nights, the wolves bid and won the FOB (probably Pass both times). They were trying to get a handle on what people were doing with their money and hoping to get targets for their nightly kills (or so I suspect).

Remember BGs and PIs mean little to them--BGs protect from wolves, and PIs tell you what side someone's on. Well, they ARE wolves, and they already know who isn't. They didn't need those roles. And they knew the Gov't Insider would be overbid big time. So they went with the FOBs.

On N3, they finally went after something that could help them--the Thief. Think about it. They just spent two nights checking out who had cash in the Bank, and the Thief could steal from the Bank. Mr. Wednesday bid and won this service. Actually, my guess is he has been the money wolf all along.

If Mr. Wednesday was a villager, why would he come out on the very night he won it with the fact that he had won it? He would suspect he would be killed by the wolves after succeeding in his theft, so they would get his money. Mr. Wednesday came out early to try to put himself in a COT, but that was a little too bold. He should have waited a day (at least). Point is, the wolves didn't attack him on either of the next two nights. Why? Because he is already a wolf. The Thief was always going to be a more useful role for the wolves than for the village.

Meanwhile, Alan T, as a villager, wins the Seer and hoops outs him. So he fesses up and says he scanned hoops on N3 and he came out good. But this is the two-night Seer, so he gets another scan on N4.

Now, you're the wolves and you know a Seer that has some trust and influence is about to scan for you--and there is no BG that night. Plus, if you bid $100,001 on a conversion, it will be an automatic conversion. And getting Alan T on your side is someone close to a COT who is suddenly a wolf. So that's what they do. On N4, the wolves (who just lost Pass) bid to add Alan T to the team and succeeds.

And then the next day, Alan says he carried through on his plan to scan the Thief, Mr. Wednesday. Of course, he probably didn't scan anyone. Or he did just for fun. Didn't really matter. He didn't need to scan Mr.Wednesday to know he is a wolf. But he comes out the next day and says Mr. Wednesday is good! Now we have two wolves in our "COT".

Mr. Wednesday, also that night, then steals money from clap, or maybe says that he does. Doesn't really matter--they planned all this. clap says he has been robbed. Mr. Wednesday comes out and says that he did. I doubt it really happened, because clap and Wednesday got their numbers wrong and clap got himself lynched. But that doesn't matter--clap was a loose end anyway, not in the "COT".

Meanwhile, back in D4, while Pass is trying to save himself from a lynching, the wolves are looking for a new service to bid on. They decide to bid on the Notary Public, so they can change someone's bene, and then kill them to get their money.

Only problem is, if the bene is too far out there or untrusted, people would get suspicious. So they wait until they have converted their "cleared" member Alan T. After all, no one is going to question Alan T with the trust he had built up. So they convert Alan T on N4, and on N5, they change Tyrith's bene to Alan T, unbeknownst to Tyrith--and then they kill Tyrith and Alan gets all his cash (I estimated it at about $90K in the posts above). And since Tyrith is dead, no one is the wiser to the bene change.

When Schmidty went rogue and killed hoopsguy the same night (only downer being I was his bene), things were going wonderfully for them. I delayed things a bit with the Underworld Connection, but we gace it right back with our stubborness on Render (who didn't really help his own cause).

Frankly, it's brilliant. They will waltz to the win if you allow them to.

And it will be up to you all, because I will be at work all day today and unable to vote. Heck, they may even kill me tonight, which is why I had to get this out now.

I knew you will have questions, but you're on your own. Hopefully you guys see the same things I have seen.

I will be switching my bene from The Jackal because of my reveal, but it won't go to one of those two, so be suspicious if somehow it ends up on Alan T or Mr. Wednesday.

Oh, BTW, Mr. Wednesday aka the money wolf has $147,325 in the Bank, by far more than anyone else. (Alan has about $45K, third most).

[Chief Rum]

My early vote (as I will be out all day)...


VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

[Alan T]

Chief, like I said before, I don't think there is any way I can believe you are bad right now. I am a bit confused about the totals you provided though. You say I have 45k in the bank right now, but thats not correct... I am not sure if you are saying that to try to get me in a trap or if Barkeep just messed up.. I have 154594 in the bank right now and assumed that it was me that you were talking about having so much more money than anyone else. You estimated the max inheritence I would have received from Tyrith to be about 95k, but the exact money I got from Tyrith was $109549. Like I also suggested to you last night, I have an additional $30k to that money which means I have in total $184594 right now which I assume is probably near the most if not the most of any villager.

I think you put alot of effort into your theory and you may very well be right about Mr.Wednesday, but he wasn't the original wolf at all. I know for a fact the night I scanned him he turned up good. I have for a while considered the likeliness that he was the convert though based on what has happened since then however. The conversion happened the same night that I scanned him and as we discerned yesterday it appears that services occur before the night kill happen. So I wonder if I scanned him then he got converted that night.

My theory that I have had stewing in my head for a few days (since Claphasma's death) is the following: The wolves were worried about the thief that night and needed to make sure that he didn't get their money. So all in the same night, I scan Mr.W, he steals from Claphasma, and they convert him... That is the reason why you had found Claphasma had no money in the bank, yet Mr.W supposedly only stole $9k from him and Claphasma couldn't get his story straight about how much money he had on hand.

It ties up all of the loose ends that I've been wondering about what exactly happened with Clap's money... I don't have any real large issue with your vote for him today, and will go the same direction.

Also, just to get my financial information out in case I'm killed tonight,
Here is my daily spending amounts for the entire game:

30000 - start
45000 - Day 2
38545 - Day 3
15045 - Day 4
30045 - Day 5
45045 - Day 6 all in bank + money from Tyrith
60045 - Day 7 15000 in hand 45045 + money from Tyrith in bank
75045 - Day 8 30000 in hand 45045 + money from Tyrith in bank (154594 in bank)

Day 1 I bid 30k on the Govt insider, and failed to get it.
Day 2 I bid 21,455 on the Telecomm service
Day 3 I bid 38500 on the private investegator.
Day 4 Did not bid
Day 5 bid 30045 on Bodyguard and failed to get it.
Day 6 bid 45000 on Private Investigator and failed to get it
Day 7 bid 62000 on Financial Analyst and failed to get it.

[Barkeep49]

There are fewer and fewer of you left. And now ChiefRum is the one who goes. DaddyT inherits his money.

Today's services:
Day 9:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 9
Government Insider: May not be bankrupted on the day won and the following day.

[Alan T]

I still have a gut feeling that Schmidty isn't the last oriignal wolf.. But I feel pretty good about The Jackal, Sndvls and DaddyTorgo for reasons I had already previously mentioned. Only other thing I can think of is perhaps there were only 2 wolves to start plus a conversion and instead they started with alot more money. That would mean all that is left is the person who was converted.

I gave my reasons earlier why I think Mr.W could have been the converted rich guy, so will go along with Chief's thoughts for the day

Vote Mr. Wednesday

[SnDvls]

I can't dispute what Chief has said and I've been leaning this way in the last day as I've looked at people.

VOTE ALANT

[Schmidty]

Holy crap, CR. I'm sorry you died. I guess your heart exploded after all of that typing.

Seriously, that is some amazing analysis, and I don't think there's anything else to say. Mr.Wednesday and Alan must go. Alan scares me more because his sneaky verbosity hurts my brain and confuses me, therefore:

VOTE ALANT

[DaddyTorgo]

need to catch up. looks like lots o posts

[Alan T]

Lets talk about some of the points brought up about me then. What have I done that people have issues with? What would you like me to do or provide you to prove my innocence? I was the person who led the charge vs Passacaglia, I helped convince people to vote for Claphasma. I helped clear Hoops when most people wanted to lynch him.. I tried to provide my thoughts on what I felt was the least likely people and most likely people to be wolves along the way.. I was wrong about Render, but I was right about Pass and Clap.

I've been completely open about my money spending, where I have spent it and how. So what would you like me to provide to prove that I am good?

[Alan T]

And I will also note that you supposedly are going along with what Chief said, but you aren't going along with what he wanted his vote to be? He suggested Mr.Wednesday for today's vote.. I agree and voted there as well. He is wrong about me but I think he is right about Mr.W. I think that is where we should vote today.

[Schmidty]

Here come the words.............

*sticks fingers in ears*

Lalalalalalalalalalallalala

[DaddyTorgo]

oh son of a ***** !!!!

Not Chief Rum!!

Chief - rest assured that I am good and have not been converted, so your money will be put to good use on the side of good.

I'm going to go back and forth between Alan & Mr. W all day in my mind I'm sure. I see several early votes on Alan, and I'm wondering if maybe we've reached that point where it makes sense to lynch him almost no matter what to try to see if his information has been biased...

hi mr. Alan T -- are you a cutthroat?

[DaddyTorgo]

let's look at #'s...how many people are left?

we can likely afford one bad-lynch at this point, right?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

oh son of a ***** !!!!

Not Chief Rum!!

Chief - rest assured that I am good and have not been converted, so your money will be put to good use on the side of good.

I'm going to go back and forth between Alan & Mr. W all day in my mind I'm sure. I see several early votes on Alan, and I'm wondering if maybe we've reached that point where it makes sense to lynch him almost no matter what to try to see if his information has been biased...

hi mr. Alan T -- are you a cutthroat?

No, I'm not a cutthroat, and I haven't been converted as Chief suggested he thinks that I might have. Lets consider the night that he says I was converted, I had the Private investigator available to me one more night. But I had hardly any money. I had only 15045 total in cash.. I said that night I likely was going to scan Chief or Mr.W . If they were worried about my scan, why would they convert me?

Sndvls and Schmidty both voted me agreeing with Chief's logic, but the problem with his logic is that it did not go far enough. If you worry about what I was going to say, there was NO bodyguard that night. Do the wolves spend $100k to try to convert me for my 15k? Instead what they do is they used me that night. They knew that I had picked Chief and Mr.W as my scan choices and both were good at the time. The PI scan obviously goes off before the wolf actions (As we previously had figured out the other day talking through night action order), so what they did was brilliant.

Instead of killing me, they keep me alive, let me scan Mr.W and convert Mr.W that same night. So he shows up good to me, but then suddenly was bad. It makes no sense what Chief suggests about me, they wouldn't have converted me that night... In a game where money matters the most, they would have just flat out killed me and saved the conversion for someone with money.

I think Chief is right about Mr.W being a wolf, he has been my suspect for the bribed wolf (converted wolf) since Hoops died... He just is wrong about me.

[Alan T]

We've said it many many times, in this game people are expendable, its money that matters. Why would they bother converting me when I had no money? They would have just killed me.

[DaddyTorgo]

if Alan's willing to vote for Mr. W and Chief tied Alan and Mr. W together as the last 2 wolves before he died then i have to believe that this is either a super-ballsy wolf-play to buy alan the trust to make it to endgame, or else alan isn't a wolf and mr. w is the last wolf, or chief rum got it wrong.

bottom line is, alan coming out early and voting for mr. w gives me more confidence in him. i'm not sure that he'd do that unless he wasn't a wolf. unless they're planning on blowing a ton of money late to switch the vote to someone else.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

We've said it many many times, in this game people are expendable, its money that matters. Why would they bother converting me when I had no money? They would have just killed me.

i've said that too.

i definately see the logic with Mr. W, for sure.

[DaddyTorgo]

my schedule for the day: got a long meeting this morning in a bit. may be around a bit at lunch and spottily in afternoon. won't be around tonight till around 9pm or shortly after (i have to go to my little brother's middle school musical).

so i will presumably get my vote in before i leave work around 5...

[Alan T]

I think chief had the right idea, he just connected the wrong dots. The night there was a conversion, I think they converted Mr.W the thief.. who else would be the best conversion target? someone who had the most money right? They just lucked out that I also scanned him that night instead of Chief RUm like I had planned to.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

bottom line is, alan coming out early and voting for mr. w gives me more confidence in him. i'm not sure that he'd do that unless he wasn't a wolf. unless they're planning on blowing a ton of money late to switch the vote to someone else.

I see it a different way: He knows their goose is cooked, so he sacrifices MrW to buy himself a bit of credibility.

[DaddyTorgo]

so you think we're down to just Mr. W then Alan? Or do you still think there's an original-wolf floating around?

schmidty - thoughts?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I see it a different way: He knows their goose is cooked, so he sacrifices MrW to buy himself a bit of credibility.

i mention that possibility too

[Schmidty]

Dola.

Also, if I'm going to listen to logic and analysis, I'm definitely going to believe the dead good guy over the guy that the dead good guy seemed so sure about, especially since I know the dead good guy was definitely good, and the alive guy is shrouded in mystery and doubt.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Dola.

Also, if I'm going to listen to logic and analysis, I'm definitely going to believe the dead good guy over the guy that the dead good guy seemed so sure about, especially since I know the dead good guy was definitely good, and the alive guy is shrouded in mystery and doubt.

That was officially the most idiotic, horrendous post in WW history.

Go me!!!!!!!!!

[Schmidty]

God, I'm tired.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

That was officially the most idiotic, horrendous post in WW history.

Go me!!!!!!!!!

no. makes sense. dunno if it's the soundest strategy, but i understand what you meant.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh look...the cutthroat's are here

[DaddyTorgo]

hi pass! hi clap!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Dola.

Also, if I'm going to listen to logic and analysis, I'm definitely going to believe the dead good guy over the guy that the dead good guy seemed so sure about, especially since I know the dead good guy was definitely good, and the alive guy is shrouded in mystery and doubt.

THen listen to the dead good guy and vote Mr.Wednesday like he suggested.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

oh look...the cutthroat's are here

Yeah. I don't know if it's fair to use in the game, but it seems fishy that as soon as there's heat on Alan and Mr.W, the old baddies show up........hmmmmm.....

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Alan T

THen listen to the dead good guy and vote Mr.Wednesday like he suggested.

Plugging my ears!!!!!!





Plus, already voted you.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Yeah. I don't know if it's fair to use in the game, but it seems fishy that as soon as there's heat on Alan and Mr.W, the old baddies show up........hmmmmm.....

They probably are wanting to see if Mr.W gets off the hook or not here is my guess.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Plugging my ears!!!!!!





Plus, already voted you.

Doesn't stop me from trying to talk sense into you just in case others see my side and I don't get lynched today. Everyone else this game has been given a chance to clear themselves or hang themselves, Pass, Clap, Render, Hoops, etc... I'm just asking for the same treatment here.

If you have questions for me, or would like me to give explanations for certain actions, please let me know. I'd love to be able to clear my name today in people's eyes.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

hi pass! hi clap!

whassup

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Doesn't stop me from trying to talk sense into you just in case others see my side and I don't get lynched today. Everyone else this game has been given a chance to clear themselves or hang themselves, Pass, Clap, Render, Hoops, etc... I'm just asking for the same treatment here.

If you have questions for me, or would like me to give explanations for certain actions, please let me know. I'd love to be able to clear my name today in people's eyes.

All kidding aside, i don't really know how you can clear yourself after the evidence CR presented; however, I will read your posts and try not to have a totally closed-mind.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

All kidding aside, i don't really know how you can clear yourself after the evidence CR presented; however, I will read your posts and try not to have a totally closed-mind.

To be fair, Chief didn't provide evidence as much as a gut guess about me. He said alot of the same things about you, DaddyTorgo, The Jackal and Sndvls that I have been saying for days, and I actually agree with most of Chief's thoughts about the majority of people. His main "evidence" is mostly a guess regarding whom the conversion target was. I've already shown why Chief is wrong about me and why I would have been a horrible conversion target. (Converting me would have cost the wolves 85k and have accomplished the same end result as killing me for free and saving the conversion for later would have done.

My explanation for that evening I believe makes far more sense, that the richest player to convert would have been Mr.Wednesday being the thief, and him being converted the same night I scanned him would have resulted in the scan turning up good since our actions occur before Wolf actions do.

The only way all of the pieces add up for me is if Mr.Wednesday was the one converted, and that explanation also matches nicely with everything that Chief Rum presented other than his being wrong about his guess on me.

[Alan T]

Dola, and it should be obvious that his thoughts about me was more a guess than anything as he pushed for Mr.Wednesday to be lynched first anyways. I think he was setting it up that way to have further conversation with me and see how I reacted to the Mr.W vote.

For the record I am fully behind Chief's Mr.Wednesday vote, and think if Chief was still alive, our talking about the events that occured would have given him more ease regarding me. It makes me sad that you all jumped on me based on a guess, rather than going after Mr.Wednesday where Chief's evidence points to.