Werewolf LXXV - Rise of the Great Old Ones -Students Win!!!! - Page 27

Telle · 06-17-2008, 09:41 AM

Well I'd prefer Alan be lynched since I'd like to live

Plus I don't think I'm a wolf.

Alan T · 06-17-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It sounds more like you and Alan are trying to get you lynched instead of him.

I am absolutely interested in getting her lynched instead of me. I am glad that I am getting at least part of my message through loud and clear!

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Well I'd prefer Alan be lynched since I'd like to live

Plus I don't think I'm a wolf.

Sounds like this day is confusing you. You're not sure Racer is a seer, but you believe hoops was (right?) -- but on the other hand, hoops vouched for Racer. So are you on board with lynching Alan, or not?

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Kwhit, how about you for a reveal? And Jets is in here, too. I think it would help a lot.

I don't think it's time for that yet. There's no need in helping the wolves narrow down who the roles are yet - since we have 2 days of pretty certain votes (Alan and Telle).

I think the time to reveal our majors is after we lynch the two of them. The info we gain does us no good until we lynch those two and it can only help the wolves at this point.

Does that make sense?

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I am absolutely interested in getting her lynched instead of me. I am glad that I am getting at least part of my message through loud and clear!

What's the other part, again? That you're not a wolf, but you're not a villager, and you have a separate win condition?

Telle · 06-17-2008, 09:45 AM

Well of course I believe hoops was a seer. The night kill write-up said he was a psychic and the psychic role is listed as being a seer.

VOTE ALAN T

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I don't think it's time for that yet. There's no need in helping the wolves narrow down who the roles are yet - since we have 2 days of pretty certain votes (Alan and Telle).

I think the time to reveal our majors is after we lynch the two of them. The info we gain does us no good until we lynch those two and it can only help the wolves at this point.

Does that make sense?

If you think you need to keep yours a secret, I understand. No one has to, but it would help me a lot. If that makes me look suspicious, I'm fine with that.

Telle · 06-17-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I don't think it's time for that yet. There's no need in helping the wolves narrow down who the roles are yet - since we have 2 days of pretty certain votes (Alan and Telle).

I think the time to reveal our majors is after we lynch the two of them. The info we gain does us no good until we lynch those two and it can only help the wolves at this point.

Does that make sense?

Well it might help us sniff out those two alternate roles.

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 09:47 AM

Sorry my post was rambling above, but I wanted to hurry and get that out before anyone else revealed.

I hope my point made sense. I don't want to give the wolves any additional information to use to help them in their night kill selections at this point.

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Well it might help us sniff out those two alternate roles.

Do you mean it might help you sniff out who to night-kill tonight?

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Sorry my post was rambling above, but I wanted to hurry and get that out before anyone else revealed.

I hope my point made sense. I don't want to give the wolves any additional information to use to help them in their night kill selections at this point.

I think we're okay on that point -- we've already got the seer outed, so the emphasis will be on keeping him alive for now. I think people can make their own call about it.

Telle · 06-17-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Do you mean it might help you sniff out who to night-kill tonight?

First off, to my knowledge I am not a wolf. And thus I have no ability to night kill.

Secondly, why would the wolves even care about the alternate roles?

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If you think you need to keep yours a secret, I understand. No one has to, but it would help me a lot. If that makes me look suspicious, I'm fine with that.

Nothing too super-secret, but I'd rather not reveal at this point.

Alan T · 06-17-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What's the other part, again? That you're not a wolf, but you're not a villager, and you have a separate win condition?

I'll be pretty much ok with whatever that would get me off the hook at this point. At the point I am in this game, I'm pretty sure that I am a goner, it is just a matter of time.

I assume that you all won't be kicking yourselves when I die, but you sure are going to wish that you had lynched Telle instead of me. Since killing me doesn't really help you much.

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

First off, to my knowledge I am not a wolf. And thus I have no ability to night kill.

Secondly, why would the wolves even care about the alternate roles?

First off, I don't believe you.

Second off, the more information the wolves have about anyone, the easier it is for them to narrow down the list of people who might have roles that they do care about like the bodyguard.

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I'll be pretty much ok with whatever that would get me off the hook at this point. At the point I am in this game, I'm pretty sure that I am a goner, it is just a matter of time.

I assume that you all won't be kicking yourselves when I die, but you sure are going to wish that you had lynched Telle instead of me. Since killing me doesn't really help you much.

I doubt that the order in which we lynch you and Telle will matter all that much.

Alan T · 06-17-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I doubt that the order in which we lynch you and Telle will matter all that much.

It matters for me

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 09:55 AM

Yes, I suppose it does.

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I'll be pretty much ok with whatever that would get me off the hook at this point. At the point I am in this game, I'm pretty sure that I am a goner, it is just a matter of time.

I assume that you all won't be kicking yourselves when I die, but you sure are going to wish that you had lynched Telle instead of me. Since killing me doesn't really help you much.

You could try being open about your win conditions. It might only buy you a day, but who knows? Maybe we find a wolf tomorrow and let you live another day. The fact that you haven't disclosed them leads me to think that it's something we should be worrying about more than the wolves, who will still be able to kill, even if we get Telle.

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 09:55 AM

Hey, you lasted a day longer than you probably should have!

Look at the silver lining!

Alan T · 06-17-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You could try being open about your win conditions. It might only buy you a day, but who knows? Maybe we find a wolf tomorrow and let you live another day. The fact that you haven't disclosed them leads me to think that it's something we should be worrying about more than the wolves, who will still be able to kill, even if we get Telle.

You're probably right.. you wouldn't like my winning conditions. Of course the wolves might not either. Luckily for me, I should be a lower priority to them just like I should be a lower priority to you. I'd probably just get in everyone's way though so best to eliminate me before I cause more problems right?

After you kill me though, you'll have to then go back and revisit yesterday's vote..Knowing that I'm not a wolf, and someone outs me as a wolf, the wolves know I'm not a wolf.. how would they have played yesterday? How would they play today?

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

You're probably right.. you wouldn't like my winning conditions. Of course the wolves might not either. Luckily for me, I should be a lower priority to them just like I should be a lower priority to you. I'd probably just get in everyone's way though so best to eliminate me before I cause more problems right?

After you kill me though, you'll have to then go back and revisit yesterday's vote..Knowing that I'm not a wolf, and someone outs me as a wolf, the wolves know I'm not a wolf.. how would they have played yesterday? How would they play today?

So you're not going to say what your win conditions are? Got it.

Alan T · 06-17-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So you're not going to say what your win conditions are? Got it.

I would think you would be nicer to me. I know more about the rolled villagers than they know about me. I guess I could release a list of who those would be.. but not sure who it would help more.. Not like it matters to the wolves too much right now since they are preoccupied with Racer and Mrs.Schmidty.

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I would think you would be nicer to me. I know more about the rolled villagers than they know about me. I guess I could release a list of who those would be.. but not sure who it would help more.. Not like it matters to the wolves too much right now since they are preoccupied with Racer and Mrs.Schmidty.

Right.

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 10:29 AM

Hey olie, henry, and Render!! Interested in making your own reveals before Alan outs you?

RendeR · 06-17-2008, 10:31 AM

Interesting choice to go after Hoops. The two seer dynamic is an interesting one. I'm wondering if Racer and Hoops shouln't have hinted at who would be scanning last night so that the BG could have covered him instead of (I'm assuming) racer.

So we had two seers, I'm hoping we have 2 BG's too so that racer gets protected tonight. Though at this stage I think we can develop a prety solid COT and hunt down the last 1 or 2 wolves with little difficulty.

Have I voted yet?

just in case:

VOTE ALAN T

RendeR · 06-17-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Hey olie, henry, and Render!! Interested in making your own reveals before Alan outs you?

Nope, at least not at this time. We have Alan and telle to lynch, then sure, I'll put my major out there. Its not really connected to much but I suppose the wolves could fathom something from it.

At this point we know I'm good (racer/hoops scan) so I'm going to leave it at that until we have the next two out of the way.

And Alan, its all just mind over matter, we don't mind, and you won't matter after we hang you from the angle irons....

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 10:35 AM

path is here! There's a guy who I know is on pins and needles, wanting to tell me his major!

Alan T · 06-17-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Nope, at least not at this time. We have Alan and telle to lynch, then sure, I'll put my major out there. Its not really connected to much but I suppose the wolves could fathom something from it.

At this point we know I'm good (racer/hoops scan) so I'm going to leave it at that until we have the next two out of the way.

And Alan, its all just mind over matter, we don't mind, and you won't matter after we hang you from the angle irons....

I was trying to think of some witty come back to this.. but I fail horribly!

henry296 · 06-17-2008, 10:37 AM

I still have some doubts that AlanT is 100% wolf because of the other teams that appear to be in the role description. i vote we go after the known wolf.

VOTE Telle

I have meetings the rest of the day and then out to dinner with work. I hope to back on by 8:30.

I'm a statistics major.

Schmidty · 06-17-2008, 10:38 AM

By the way, if anyone who's out of the game and wants to know the roles, I have a long-winded listing of them all and their abilities, and will PM them at your request. Just the role powers that the players themselves know, not other mechanics and stuff.

(I asked BK if he thought it was ok and he said it was my call. I trust everyone to not be cheaters, so ask and you shall receive...)

path12 · 06-17-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

So you're saying there's two people with the same role, not just with the same role-type? And that's happened before? Weird.

I ran a game with more than one bodyguard, and the Divination Nation games where everyone is a seer.

path12 · 06-17-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Kwhit, how about you for a reveal? And Jets is in here, too. I think it would help a lot.

I don't get why you think it will be such a help. I'm not totally averse to it, but I'm also not seeing the point.

oliegirl · 06-17-2008, 10:43 AM

I have no problem releasing my role...I'm a student of Architecture. That was all the information I was given.

I think at this point, I'm willing to give Alan another day...I see no reason for him to admit that he has alternative win conditions that are bad for villagers. I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt for another day and see what happens tonight.

VOTE TELLE

path12 · 06-17-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

First off, to my knowledge I am not a wolf. And thus I have no ability to night kill.

Then here is my question for you, Telle.

Mrs. Schmidty outed EagleFan yesterday by saying she saw him slit your throat and bring you back to life, which certainly would sound like a conversion. Subsequently EagleFan was lynched and proved to be a wolf, lending credence to Mrs. Schmidty's story.

Now, given all this, what possible motivation would Mrs. Schmidty have to toss EagleFan under the bus yet frame you?

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

I study Astronomical Science, and I have a part-time job at the library.

I'm curious about this. Does your part time job at the library have any in-game benefit?

Alan T · 06-17-2008, 10:51 AM

Maybe we can come to some form of laissez-faire here.. What if the students and wolves both leave me alone, and I promise to be a good boy and leave you all alone for a while? You can even have Mrs.Schmidty try to follow me every day if you wanted to make sure that I'm behaving, and if I don't then you can lynch me?

path12 · 06-17-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

path is here! There's a guy who I know is on pins and needles, wanting to tell me his major!

You are being endlessly disappointed today, aren't you!

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

I don't get why you think it will be such a help. I'm not totally averse to it, but I'm also not seeing the point.

I think a reveal can help keep you alive, if you're a villager.

Alan T · 06-17-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think a reveal can help keep you alive, if you're a villager.

Why would you want to kill poor Path before Telle?

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Why would you want to kill poor Path before Telle?

path12 · 06-17-2008, 10:54 AM

Hell, why not. Not like I've got a role. Liberal Arts, baby.

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 10:54 AM

There is way too much information being shared at this point by the villagers, IMO.

Alan T · 06-17-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

There is way too much information being shared at this point by the villagers, IMO.

I agree fully. I lose my value to the villagers if you all share this information yourselves.

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I agree fully. I lose my value to the villagers if you all share this information yourselves.

You don't know anything, you're just trying to save your skin another day.

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

You don't know anything, you're just trying to save your skin another day.

Yes, I know that is the most obvious statement ever in the history of the universe.

Alan T · 06-17-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

You don't know anything, you're just trying to save your skin another day.

You are right that I am trying to save my skin another day!

You are incorrect about the not knowing anything part however! Everyone blames poor Hoops for outing the seer after all, but it really was me. I could provide a bit more information about some roles, but I'm trying to pass myself off as a more villager friendly Alan T right now.. and you wouldn't like that very much would you Kwhit?

Passacaglia · 06-17-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I agree fully. I lose my value to the villagers if you all share this information yourselves.

Good thing we're planning to kill you anyway.

KWhit · 06-17-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

You are right that I am trying to save my skin another day!

You are incorrect about the not knowing anything part however! Everyone blames poor Hoops for outing the seer after all, but it really was me. I could provide a bit more information about some roles, but I'm trying to pass myself off as a more villager friendly Alan T right now.. and you wouldn't like that very much would you Kwhit?

You're funny. I was wondering when this would start. Dropping little hints here or there that so-and-so is a wolf, or such-and-such is a roled villager.

I know well enough to know that some of it might be true, some of it might be false and I can ignore it all.

Alan T · 06-17-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Good thing we're planning to kill you anyway.

Hey, put away your torches and pitchforks Gaston!

I am just misunderstood right now. All I need is for Henry269 to love me before my last rose petal falls and I will turn into a prince once again.

06-17-2008, 10:31 AM	#1326
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Interesting choice to go after Hoops. The two seer dynamic is an interesting one. I'm wondering if Racer and Hoops shouln't have hinted at who would be scanning last night so that the BG could have covered him instead of (I'm assuming) racer. So we had two seers, I'm hoping we have 2 BG's too so that racer gets protected tonight. Though at this stage I think we can develop a prety solid COT and hunt down the last 1 or 2 wolves with little difficulty. Have I voted yet? just in case: VOTE ALAN T __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

06-17-2008, 10:37 AM	#1330
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I still have some doubts that AlanT is 100% wolf because of the other teams that appear to be in the role description. i vote we go after the known wolf. VOTE Telle I have meetings the rest of the day and then out to dinner with work. I hope to back on by 8:30. I'm a statistics major. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

06-17-2008, 10:38 AM	#1331
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	By the way, if anyone who's out of the game and wants to know the roles, I have a long-winded listing of them all and their abilities, and will PM them at your request. Just the role powers that the players themselves know, not other mechanics and stuff. (I asked BK if he thought it was ok and he said it was my call. I trust everyone to not be cheaters, so ask and you shall receive...) __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

06-17-2008, 10:54 AM	#1342
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Hell, why not. Not like I've got a role. Liberal Arts, baby. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

06-17-2008, 09:41 AM	#1301
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Well I'd prefer Alan be lynched since I'd like to live Plus I don't think I'm a wolf.

06-17-2008, 09:45 AM	#1306
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Well of course I believe hoops was a seer. The night kill write-up said he was a psychic and the psychic role is listed as being a seer. VOTE ALAN T

06-17-2008, 09:47 AM	#1309
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Sorry my post was rambling above, but I wanted to hurry and get that out before anyone else revealed. I hope my point made sense. I don't want to give the wolves any additional information to use to help them in their night kill selections at this point.

06-17-2008, 09:55 AM	#1318
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Yes, I suppose it does.

06-17-2008, 09:55 AM	#1320
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Hey, you lasted a day longer than you probably should have! Look at the silver lining!

06-17-2008, 10:29 AM	#1325
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Hey olie, henry, and Render!! Interested in making your own reveals before Alan outs you?

06-17-2008, 10:35 AM	#1328
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	path is here! There's a guy who I know is on pins and needles, wanting to tell me his major!

06-17-2008, 10:51 AM	#1337
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Maybe we can come to some form of laissez-faire here.. What if the students and wolves both leave me alone, and I promise to be a good boy and leave you all alone for a while? You can even have Mrs.Schmidty try to follow me every day if you wanted to make sure that I'm behaving, and if I don't then you can lynch me?

06-17-2008, 10:54 AM	#1343
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	There is way too much information being shared at this point by the villagers, IMO.

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