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Crapshoot · 01-19-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

IMO Sanchez is a dolt for leaving early, the guy has 15 games of experience and that's it. So what, he's graduated. Him leaving will hurt the team, and I think that's why the UCLA fans are brining this up in the first place, they want to shove it in our faces. That's ok though, because we have 3 other blue chip QBs and the Bruins only same QBs with the name of Olsen, Olson, Olsin, or Olsan. I think we'll be fine...

IMO, he's trying to get compensated for his services. More power to him, especially when Bradford pulled out. How that makes him a dolt, I don't know.

Chief Rum · 01-19-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Not as embarassing as those UCLA supporters who have convinced themselves that Slick Rick has really changed and won't burn the program with some impropriety in the future.

Well, when you find one here, let me know, because I know neither I nor Bug have said that Neuheisel has really changed for sure. We don't know (nor do you), so we'll just have to wait and see. At least there's still a chance Neuheisel will be good. Carroll has already proven, and publically, that he can be classless.

duckman · 01-19-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

IMO, he's trying to get compensated for his services. More power to him, especially when Bradford pulled out. How that makes him a dolt, I don't know.

Akili Smith

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Originally Posted by hxxp://football.about.com/od/nfldrafthistory/tp/topdraftbusts.htm

Smith, who was drafted third overall by the Bengals in 1999, started just 17 games over four years with Cincinnati. He played only two games during the 2001 season and was cut in 2002. In 2003, he was again cut, this time by the Packers. And in 2005, he failed in a stint with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Smith played one full season at quarterback for Oregon before being drafted in 1999.

While it may be smart to go now with a limited number of quality quarterbacks available, historically, a quarterback is far more successful with 30+ starts in college.

Chief Rum · 01-19-2009, 05:41 PM

That doesn't make him a dolt. If money is a goal, and you would think it has to be, Sanchez doesn't make more money next year with all the QBs coming out, and he takes a tremendous risk coming back.

Smith may not have had a successful NFL career--but he was well paid. Having watched Akili Smith play, I am of the opinion he wouldn't have succeeded whether he left as a junior or a senior, and certainly not stepping in as a starter right away. Since he was picked so high, he almost certainly wouldn't have made much more money, even if he had a flawless and injury free senior season. In the long run, Smith made the right decision.

Ryan S · 01-19-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Sorry, that's just not the forum for Carroll to get his message out. It's not about whether Sanchez's decision is right or wrong, or if Carroll is right or wrong for his belief about Sanchez's decision. It was the decision to do this at Sanchez's press conference, on Sanchez's day, when he should have been publically supporting his player, and applauding his career at USC.

If he comes out afterward with something about how the decision is bad, I don't have nearly the problem with it that I do here.

Speaking as an outsider to the LA rivalry, I totally agree with this comment. Carroll should have held his tongue during the press conference, and spoke out at a more appropriate time.

cartman · 01-19-2009, 05:50 PM

Another thing I didn't see mentioned here, and it wasn't in the video that was posted by Crim, but Carroll left the room while Sanchez was giving his talk.

RedKingGold · 01-19-2009, 06:24 PM

Getting 30+ million guaranteed and being an NFL bust > Potentially getting your leg snapped off during a peniless last year in college.

Crapshoot · 01-19-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

Akili Smith

Smith played one full season at quarterback for Oregon before being drafted in 1999.

While it may be smart to go now with a limited number of quality quarterbacks available, historically, a quarterback is far more successful with 30+ starts in college.

And he got 20 mil guaranteed for it. I don't think that helps your case - that first 20 surely exceeds the future funds in terms of its marginal utility. Smith was never ever going to be better than the 3rd pick in the draft.

Here's the harsh truth - many, many fail in the NFL. All the more to take your shot to maximize it as much as you can. I cannot see any reason to begrudge a player who's spent years in the serfdom that is the NCAA (where everyone can make money of him, except him) from taking full advantage at what may his single biggest shot at dough.

dervack · 01-19-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Getting 30+ million guaranteed and being an NFL bust > Potentially getting your leg snapped off during a peniless last year in college.

" Do you think Shaq got rich in Orlando?"
"No, he got rich playing in college, everybody knows that."

MrBug708 · 01-19-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Not as embarassing as those UCLA supporters who have convinced themselves that Slick Rick has really changed and won't burn the program with some impropriety in the future.

Why is it embarrassing? He's done nothing to prove that he's the same guy as he was a few years back. Unless you subscribe to the nothing that people can't change...? Carroll was a washout head coach who failed at two different locations. Seems he's done well on his third job, no?

Then again, we know where Rick received his education on ethics...

MrBug708 · 01-19-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

If that's the case it's the first classless thing he's ever done at USC in his many years there. I'm sure Joe'Pa has had faux pa once or twice in his career.

We should ask Brandon Hance.

Eaglesfan27 · 01-19-2009, 08:50 PM

Could have gone in another thread but might as well put it here. After Carl Smith used the Trojans as a stepping stone (leaving for the Cleveland Browns less than 2 weeks on the job), they have rebounded nicely by hiring Denver's QB Coach Jeremy Bates to be the Assistant Head Coach of the Offense and QB Coach.

flere-imsaho · 01-19-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Getting 30+ million guaranteed and being an NFL bust > Potentially getting your leg snapped off during a peniless last year in college.

That's absolutely the bottom line. I'd make the same decision if I was him - that's retirement money.

DanGarion · 01-20-2009, 01:17 AM

I guess I just don't see things as a paycheck. I would want to actually compete and be good at something... But that's because I think there is more then money to life...

DanGarion · 01-20-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

We should ask Brandon Hance.

I don't really know the background of what you are referring to. All I know is the guy started at Purdue as a freshman, then he wanted to come back home. Just because he never ended up really playing for the Trojans, that's makes Carroll classless? I mean come on, that makes every head coach in the NCAA classless, there isn't a coach out there that hasn't promised a kid something and then wasn't able to fulfill it...

RainMaker · 01-20-2009, 02:24 AM

Carroll is a jackass. First for going public, and second for being selfish.

There is no one in their right minds who would stay another year at USC. The potential downsides far outweigh the upsides. He's probably going to be the 2nd QB taken and a first rounder. That's a lot of guaranteed money to go with the years of leeway a young QB is given.

With his past injuries, any further marks on him could be seen as real costly. A disappointing season also drops him a ton too. USC is not going to be as good next year and a 9-3 season could look like a major disappointment and hurt his draft status.

Since he'll be getting his degree in the Spring, the only upside I see is going in the top 5 instead of around the middle of the 1st round. Sure it's a few million in guaranteed difference, but both options leave him set for life. An injury or bad season could eliminate all of that.

The best recent case for going pro should be Brian Brohm. He would have been one of the top QBs taken in the 2007 draft. Some had him projected at #1 to the Raiders. He decided to stay, had a solid season, but Louisville sucked. He dropped to the end of Round 2 and cost himself a ton of guaranteed money.

RedKingGold · 01-20-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

I guess I just don't see things as a paycheck. I would want to actually compete and be good at something... But that's because I think there is more then money to life...

I'm sure Sanchez does too. But, really? Is one more year going to make him a better potential franchise quarterback? Compare that with the risk that every athlete in professional football takes, and it makes sense to leave now.

Radii · 01-20-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

I guess I just don't see things as a paycheck. I would want to actually compete and be good at something... But that's because I think there is more then money to life...

I agree when I'm looking at a job that offers me $60,000 and a job that offers me $65,000.

However, if I was looking at a job that offered me $60,000 and a job that offered me $250,000, there would have to be a *LOT* of things wrong at the $250,000 job to not take it. Sanchez's decision makes the difference between 60k and 250k seem like nothing at all IMO.

larrymcg421 · 01-20-2009, 08:54 AM

If he comes out now, he has basically 100% chance of making alot of money. For a number of reasons (position competition, injuries), that percent goes way down next year. The likelihood of career success does not increase enough if he stays to overcome that factor, IMO.

mckerney · 01-20-2009, 09:58 PM

I figured this would be a good thread to post this in, word is Minnesota is in talks with USC for a home and home series. If a deal is made the teams would play between 2010 and 2016.

DeToxRox · 01-20-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

I guess I just don't see things as a paycheck. I would want to actually compete and be good at something... But that's because I think there is more then money to life...

Matt Leinart came back, and went from a top 2 pick to the 10th pick, losing 20 mil in the process, didn't win a NC and it didn't prepare him for the NFL at all apparently.

Why not just do it a year earlier?

MrBug708 · 01-21-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Could have gone in another thread but might as well put it here. After Carl Smith used the Trojans as a stepping stone (leaving for the Cleveland Browns less than 2 weeks on the job), they have rebounded nicely by hiring Denver's QB Coach Jeremy Bates to be the Assistant Head Coach of the Offense and QB Coach.

So he is going to be the Assistant Head Coach of the Offense and the QB coach and call plays.

So why have an offensive coordinator?

MrBug708 · 01-21-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

I don't really know the background of what you are referring to. All I know is the guy started at Purdue as a freshman, then he wanted to come back home. Just because he never ended up really playing for the Trojans, that's makes Carroll classless? I mean come on, that makes every head coach in the NCAA classless, there isn't a coach out there that hasn't promised a kid something and then wasn't able to fulfill it...

Also took his number away after Carroll said he wouldn't be taking his number away and gave it to a former Parade All American and top 5 recruit, Whitney Lewis (Both of which ended up as busts)

Just an example from early on.

MrBug708 · 01-21-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

I guess I just don't see things as a paycheck. I would want to actually compete and be good at something... But that's because I think there is more then money to life...

It's easy to say that when you don't know what the pressures of 65 million dollars brings!

01-19-2009, 05:41 PM	#54
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	That doesn't make him a dolt. If money is a goal, and you would think it has to be, Sanchez doesn't make more money next year with all the QBs coming out, and he takes a tremendous risk coming back. Smith may not have had a successful NFL career--but he was well paid. Having watched Akili Smith play, I am of the opinion he wouldn't have succeeded whether he left as a junior or a senior, and certainly not stepping in as a starter right away. Since he was picked so high, he almost certainly wouldn't have made much more money, even if he had a flawless and injury free senior season. In the long run, Smith made the right decision. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

01-19-2009, 05:50 PM	#56
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01-20-2009, 02:24 AM	#66
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Carroll is a jackass. First for going public, and second for being selfish. There is no one in their right minds who would stay another year at USC. The potential downsides far outweigh the upsides. He's probably going to be the 2nd QB taken and a first rounder. That's a lot of guaranteed money to go with the years of leeway a young QB is given. With his past injuries, any further marks on him could be seen as real costly. A disappointing season also drops him a ton too. USC is not going to be as good next year and a 9-3 season could look like a major disappointment and hurt his draft status. Since he'll be getting his degree in the Spring, the only upside I see is going in the top 5 instead of around the middle of the 1st round. Sure it's a few million in guaranteed difference, but both options leave him set for life. An injury or bad season could eliminate all of that. The best recent case for going pro should be Brian Brohm. He would have been one of the top QBs taken in the 2007 draft. Some had him projected at #1 to the Raiders. He decided to stay, had a solid season, but Louisville sucked. He dropped to the end of Round 2 and cost himself a ton of guaranteed money.

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larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	If he comes out now, he has basically 100% chance of making alot of money. For a number of reasons (position competition, injuries), that percent goes way down next year. The likelihood of career success does not increase enough if he stays to overcome that factor, IMO. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

01-20-2009, 09:58 PM	#70
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I figured this would be a good thread to post this in, word is Minnesota is in talks with USC for a home and home series. If a deal is made the teams would play between 2010 and 2016. Last edited by mckerney : 01-20-2009 at 10:50 PM.

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