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Nope, I was just asking a question.
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It's already been said, but Shocky is an idjit...
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Bill Parcells is a homo.
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General Manager
Join Date: Nov 2002
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illinifan's an idjit...
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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JeeberD attacks illinifan personally.
The homo.
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Join Date: Nov 2002
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Shhh, don't give away my secret. You might scare bbor away...
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Join Date: Nov 2001
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so calling someone a name is worse than condemning someone to hell?
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Displaying utter hate for a group is worse than say they are sinful, yes.
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No problem. I'm not even sure why I got bent out of shape about it now. Last edited by Tekneek : 08-09-2003 at 04:00 PM. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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can you get a certification to condemn people to hell? I would like to do this on the weekends to earn some extra money.
THNX!!!!!
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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I wonder what would happen if a white guy got pulled over by a black cop and screamed racial profiling? Think anyone would pay attention?
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depends on where he gets pulled over. For instance, if the officer pulls him over in the diaper aisle of the babies r us pretty much anything the white guy screams will draw attention. Well, unless people are hiding from the two cars that have burst through the front of the store.
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SD, you know that I know the difference between speaking from the heart on biblical truth (Reggie) and from ones arse on social interaction (Rocker). What I was focusing was the reaction from the media and activists. Here was a blurb on the (delayed) reaction to Reggie's comments Quote:
It seems that Rocker and Shockley were also branded "extremist" and "bigot" and listeners/readers were "appalled" or "shock", as well all using the word "homophobic". |
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
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All I have to say on this subject is:
Would you rather someone call you a 'homo' or a 'tapioca-filled condom with a belt'? Parcells has been called both. Personally, I'd take the former over the latter.
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I've always liked the term "idjit" ![]() SI
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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At least the kid's (apparently) learning:
"I want to apologize to my family, my teammates and the Giants organization," Shockey said in his statement. "I did not intend to disrespect anyone, but I understand that is exactly what I have done with several of my recent comments in the stuff that has come out and continues to come out. Several of my comments have been thoughtless, immature and made with a total disregard for those around me and for any possible consequences. I understand that some of my comments have been irresponsible. I have disrespected myself, my coach, my family and my teammates, and once again, I would like to apologize for that. I spoke with Coach (Jim) Fassel this morning and he made it clear to me that some of my recent comments are completely unacceptable, and I understand where he's coming from. My age is not an excuse and ignorance is not an excuse. My mother taught me better than this, and my recent actions have shown a complete disregard for that upbringing. I am aware of how upset (team owners) Mr. (Wellington) Mara and Mr. (Robert) Tisch are with me for saying some of the stupid things I've said, and I do not blame them. All I can do now is reassure them that I am proud to be a member of this organization, and that I will represent this franchise in that way from here on out. The best thing for me to do right now is keep my mouth shut and focus on winning football games." |
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Where was the press when the tapioca-filled condom people needed defense? SI
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No, he is reading a statement prepared by a PR person and approved ahead of time by certain activist representatives. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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"No, he is reading a statement prepared by a PR person and approved ahead of time by certain activist representatives."
So what? Show me a sports figure who doesn't. He got up there and read a statement that put all the blame on himself. That's a lot more than what most sports figures do when they screw up. |
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Until the next time. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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I know it was a typo, but let's not give Jeremy Shockey the benefit of even a slip of the tongue placing him alongside William Shockley - who suffered many of the same criticisms, but was at least a very intelligent man (though most would say deeply misguided on such matters). Jeremy Shockey is just a dumb kid - not a bigoted genius. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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A lot of you guys are wanting things both ways. Some of you appear to be defending Shockey, saying he can say whatever he wants to, but then criticize anybody who criticizes Shockey. If Shockey wants to call Parcells a "homo," he should feel free to, but he should realize that there are going to be people who will call him a bigot and and an idiot, and they should be free to do so as well. Defend both or defend neither, but you can defend one and oppose the other.
As for calling someone a "homo" or "faggoty" or the N-bomb or another term, whether it's a reference to gender, race, color or creed, I believe the use of the term is an example of the individual's character. If you use such terms in derision, you are showing a form of bigotry against that person. No one uses the word "homo" in a good way, i.e., "Man, I love that Michael Jordan! He is such as a homo!" I must confess that I don't understand some of the other arguments here. I'm well aware that a bunch of politicians got their picture taken with Reggie after his speech, but those that weren't shocked at the time probably weren't listening or maybe even agree with them. They expressed their "shock" when the tape hit, which I think lets you know about their character, or lack thereof. Nonetheless, Reggie did and continues to take heat, although I think less so for his comments on gays and more for this comments on Asians, Hispanics and other minorities. Rocker got what he deserved in my book, as have others of both color and "non-color." As for Dusty, his comments were ill-informed and scientifically wrong, but I'm not sure you can make a racist comment about yourself. There is no comparison between Shockey and Baker. There is a comparison between Shockey and Rocker, and there is a comparison between Shockey and White, but not in regard to Reggie's comments about gays. The comparison is White's comments about other races. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
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QS, I'm going have to learn who William Shockley is/was (not that I would agree with him but in case I have to answer a Jeopardy question - or question a Jeopardy answer?).
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He's the guy that helped invent the transistor, IIRC.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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So has 'homo' now taken the place of 'I hope you get AIDS and die' as they insult that's hip and phat and dope and Poppin' Fresh? |
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Ding Ding Ding.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Yes, won a Nobel prize for the effort. Became pretty famous, or infamous, later in his life when he became the loudest and clearest voice on behalf of what we now might call "Bell Curve thinking" - suggesting that racial difference rendered practically all blacks to be intellectually inferior. He was also a proponent of eugenics, in a variety of ways - probably the least offensive being his siggestion that there ought to be a huge sperm bank from Nobel winners created, so the world could benefit from their wonderful genes. That, to me, is more annoying in a self-aggrandizing sense than anything, but you get the idea-- the man had some pretty outrageous beliefs. |
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People don't like Shockey much in the first place, because he has a history of being an outspoken asshole. I think that has a lot more to do with it than race. I think if a black athlete who is unpopular (let's say Barry Bonds, for instance) said the same thing, he would get vilified just as much as Shockey and Rocker. Just look at the flak Bonds took simply for suggesting that if he passes Ruth on the all-time HR list, he should be considered a better player. It lacked class, but it is a plausible argument that will be argued over by fans after Bonds retires, and people condemned him for it, despite the fact that it is far less offensive than most of the other examples here.
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No, on the contrary, its a juvenile insult that's been around as long as I can remember. It's what 14 year olds call each other. And by my estimate, that's about the level Shockey is coming from.
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Refresh my memory... was Shockey the guy who last year said there were no gay football players, and that if he discovered he had a gay teammate, he "wouldn't stand for it"?
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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"was Shockey the guy who last year said there were no gay football players, and that if he discovered he had a gay teammate, he "wouldn't stand for it"?"
Yes to the latter part. The wouldn't stand for it (which, in my biased opinion, he was just a young kid trying to make a joke on the Howard Stern show. I don't think he meant it). But I'm not sure if he said "there are no gay football players". I think that was someone else. But I'm not sure. (I think what he said was there were no gay football players on his team (Miami).) |
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Call this a draw. The whole "I wouldn't stand for it" came in the later part of a response to Howard Stern asking him if there were gay football players. His initial response was, "I hope not." He then explained that he doubted there were any, as it would be so difficult for them to conceal it.
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My point in bringing this up is to show that the whole "he's not homophobic, he was just using the term as an insult" defense doesn't really work for Shockey. He's already on record making anti-gay remarks. And of course, he apologized last time too and promised never to do it again. In the grand scheme of things I don't think this whole incident is really a big deal. But I do think he's shown what type of guy he is, and all the apologies to follow will ring pretty hollow. |
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