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#1401 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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I think the Blakekin played a really good game except for three things. nfg and Jackal really drew each other closely in the thread. The attack on ntndeacon i felt was poorly chosen. And today, no question they should have pushed to have had nfg lynched, Brutal PB, and win with the night kill. Other than that, a really good game from them, an a rather inept game from the village
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#1402 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
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I agree with this, overall they did a nice job. |
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#1403 |
High School Varsity
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatchewan
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I don't get what put you in the thought that PB was a wolf hoops...not at all. Though with Schmidty voting for you, there were literally no chance of pulling this off...
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#1404 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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Classic case of a good game by the wolves against a poor game by the village. The village managed to lynch BOTH seers in the first three days.
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#1405 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
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I thought the killing of Jets was an odd choice as well. And with Schmidty out for the day, two votes for Hoops would have nullified the coin flip.
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#1406 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New Hampshire
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Yeah that was awfully kind of you, thanks.
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#1407 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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I'm very pleased that all villagers showed up for the deadline and made their votes count.
Ugh - I will now light myself on fire. |
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#1408 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New Hampshire
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A lot of the kills were both searching for the BG role and making sure we got kills in. After the block on NTN we wanted to make sure we didn't miss again because we were pretty sure the numbers would work out well for us if that was the case.
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#1409 | |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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In the end, it did not matter because Schmidty voted for me. I have no idea how the wolves could allow PB to live every single day - it boggled my mind. |
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#1410 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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I think it was obvious that, after the block on ntn, then they killed ntn, that PB would be guarded. That means they should have killed PB that night.
On the other hand, it totally worked.
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#1411 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New Hampshire
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#1412 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
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The problem with the Jets kill is it really backed the wolves into a corner with a lack of obvious targets. I would have rather risked the kill on PB and had it blocked and still had that lynch option out there.
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#1413 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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After an ending like this, where people can't be bothered to show up for the deadline, I wonder why I put in the amount of effort I did trying to win this game.
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#1414 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Bath, ME
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I think as a wolf I would take their tack -- the bodyguard is no danger to them if they make sure to kill off uncommon targets. Therefore the bodyguard is not only useless, but starts to look suspicious, as Hoops proved today. They wouldn't have needed to bother killing him tonight either, if the game lasted, as Hoops would have just gone harder at him the longer he lived.
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#1415 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Wolves - so who would you have killed tonight to head into tomorrow if we had gotten MartinD?
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#1416 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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But there was no reason for them to know that PB was the bodyguard - so I'm not sure how that argument holds up, Autumn.
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#1417 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
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But if Schmidty is here the wolves still lose most likely, they really needed the Jets lynch option out there as he was a very good lynch candidate.
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#1418 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Bath, ME
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But what good is a trusted, cleared villager with no seer to add to the circle, and no powers (he claimed)? The longer he sits there unattacked the more suspicious he looks. And if people believe him, so what? He can't do anything, really. |
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#1419 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
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It's about leaving as many solid lynch choices out there as possible. Sure, Hoops pushed for PB today, but he didn't really garner support. I would much rather have 4 completely uncleared players than 3 uncleared players and 1 who is cleared, but suspicious because they are still alive. And I think it was an almost certainly that Jets would have gotten lynched. |
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#1420 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Autumn, it is going to be very tough to get that villager lynched. And when you are down to five players, or three players, that becomes pretty important.
Maybe not as much at 9 or 11 players, but at some point you figure that the wolves would want to eliminate the one person who is never going to get votes because it dramatically increases the pressure on them. |
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#1421 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Lerriuqs, why did you trust me so much without any role information to guide you? I mean, not to look a gift horse in the mouth but I didn't understand the high confidence level in your posts.
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#1422 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Schmidty - welcome to Day 1 vote for awhile.
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#1423 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Bath, ME
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I didn't follow along closely enough to know Jets status, but I would agree if someone is a good lynch candidate, no sense of touching them. I think it's possible maybe the "old guard" mode is to take out the cleared, but I've seen less of that in games lately, so maybe some of the newer players are taking a new tactic, and it works since it goes against the expected grain. |
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#1424 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Bath, ME
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Why were you pushing him so hard then? If I was in game I would have probably voted you as it seemed very strange to be gunning for the least likely suspect at that point. To my mind starting to throw conversion possibilities out at the end speaks of wolfiness to me. |
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#1425 | |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: DeKalb, IL
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I'm sorry I couldn't be here, although I probably wouldn't have moved the tie. |
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#1426 | |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: DeKalb, IL
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I was thinking the same thing, it was an odd flip to me by Hoops at the end but the vagueness of the lead Blakekin did leave open the possibility of conversion, but I wouldn't have focused on it. |
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#1427 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New Hampshire
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BTW I found it amusing that the four wolves were the bully, the guy that could get everything, the star cornerback, and the valedictorian. Hell of a mix, practically.
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#1428 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
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I kind of agree with this and I expected the wolves to push this today after Schmidty put his vote and left, I was real surprised they left it to the chance of a tie, but I understand it's difficult since they are not able to be on for deadline. Despite my nitpicks and strategy discussion, the wolves did a good job, especially for being relatively new wolves. |
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#1429 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Abe, was there going to be anyway I was able to find out I was a wolf?
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#1430 | |
High School Varsity
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatchewan
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Honestly, it mostly gut based on the vote where you were close to being lynched. It just seemed too obvious that you were a villager - no movement at all that would suggest a wolf/villager vote - that and the day that I expressed those opinions that we lynched Jackal - the way that vote went down over the weekend didn't feel right at all...It just seemed like the wolves were looking for an easy lynch target that day. I've found two things from my last two games - 1. I don't have the time to do the analysis that may be required and it doesn't tend to tell me much anyways. 2. I've found that my gut is getting pretty good at this game - for the most part anyways. Looking back at this game, I was most suspicious of Jackal, nfg, Martin D and clap. There was just something in the way they posted that was off. Of course, there's always the doubt there that made me question it and vote after others, but something felt off. Today was even worse - nfg's posts just felt like he was laughing his ass off after he posted (and this was before Abe told me he was a wolf). I need to trust my gut more and stop second-guessing myself. |
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#1431 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New Hampshire
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#1432 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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Very much truth here
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#1433 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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And, unknown to you, he would have gained the Lone Wolf role and its powers too.
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#1434 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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The Lone Wolf had just one power. Once, you could Duke a vote, and you would be revealed as the Lone Wolf.
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#1435 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
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What would the powers have been?
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#1436 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Lerriuqs, I can definitely see what you mean about NFG's posts today - he definitely seemed more "wolfish" to me today with his strong stances on people as good/evil.
If I had found anything that was a discrepancy in PB's story today I was going to vote him. But I was also interested to see how people would move their votes around today. So I was willing to attack different angles to see if I could pick up stronger impressions. Unfortunately, no one was moving their votes at all and no one was around at the end. |
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#1437 | |
High School Varsity
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatchewan
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I didn't get not taking out PB myself. Though I think it was a mistake to translate him sticking around to possibly being a wolf. On the potentially last day of the game, you can't be second-guessing yourself at this point. And Schmidty's vote was just so totally useless at this point in the game it's not even funny. I knew the game was over at that point though I figured nfg and Martin would switch to hoops prior to the deadline... |
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#1438 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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There were times I questioned the game balance. I thought I had made it too hard onthe wolves:
Only 3 wolves can take actions and be involved in conversation. The villager has one seer, plus a backup The wolves have a brutal and a slut, called a prostitute generally. The village has a BG plus the mischief maker which can kill wolves with their own night action. Bounce from target to wolf and dead wolf. With 4 wolves in teh game, this is very possible. MM and BG can act in tandem to guard the same two players every night for the game. BG target player A. MM go from B to A. Two guards. Either B or A targeted by wolves is blocked. BG then targets player B. MM goes from A to B. If they work in tandem, they can really screw up the wolves. Diseased basically means one BG block because the wolves miss a night. And you had the Drug Abuser and Rabble Rouser and Martyr too. So there were a lot of powerful roles for the village. The wolves hadt he slut, the brutal, and the unknown, which could be really great for them or really bad for them. I was seriously wondering if I had misblanced the game.
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#1439 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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JAG why didn;t you Martyr EagleFan when he RR as the seer?
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#1440 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New Hampshire
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Martin got a real lucky slut on EF early on, and we also were fortunate enough to have EF come out and reveal right before that lynch, AND still get lynched. I think the plan was for me to reveal as the seer the next day if the seer still hadn't come out just so we could stem the damage before it got too large (because at that point, we didn't know that we'd blocked one viewing, were just hoping that the seer had picked Pass).
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#1441 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: St. Paul, MN
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I agree with what Abe said...we (village) sucked. I learned a good bit though so hopefully I'll put out a better effort in the future. I had nfg pegged as a wolf, but I also thought clap and Jets were, so eh. I was surprised Jets was killed also, I don't know that that was the best move, but then again the result worked for them.
Also, it would've been risky to pile on with Schmidty's vote on hoops because there was no way to know if he would come back or not and Martin wouldn't have been around for the deadline. |
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#1442 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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One of hte reasons I did this game was to try out some roles that I want to put in other games. This was just a basic WW game with a few extra roles added, no weird mechanics or anything.
I really like: Mischief Maker Drug Abuser Jr. Sleuth Unknown Slut But I didn;t get a chance to see them all in action.
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#1443 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
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But far less risky that what happened. By putting the two votes on Schmidty, if he comes back on, he has to switch his vote to MartinD in self defense. And if he doesn't come back on, it's a coin flip. If they put the votes on hoops, its a win if Schmidty doesn't come back and Schmidty is less likely to switch his vote to MartinD than he would have been with himself as the other lynch option. |
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#1444 |
High School Varsity
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatchewan
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Yeah Schmidty was positive it was hoops - I don't think he's changing his mind if hoops is ahead if he comes back.
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#1445 | |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Rahway, NJ
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I could not for the life of me figure out why I was killed. I was easily the weakest player based on experience, and I was not even close to trusted. We had PB and Hoops who were pretty much 100% cleared, so a vote on them would have made more sense. |
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#1446 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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I would like to apologize to henry. I have no clue why you were NK Night One, I just do the orders. I felt bad, though.
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#1447 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: St. Paul, MN
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I thought about it which is why I didn't post after he claimed that but: 1. He acted (I thought) suspiciously earlier in the day and I didn't think hoops / Lathum that he was looking at for suspects were likely wolves. Keeping myself alive as a villager vs. saving an unknown. 2. He did two reveals which though he had good reason for it was also a bit suspicious to me. 3. The reveal was so late that I didn't have time to work out if it was worth the risk to kill a known villager for a potential seer or the downside of temporarily saving a wolf who people think is a seer (especially because the wolves knew the Martyr was in the game so they might have tried such a tactic). |
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#1448 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New Hampshire
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#1449 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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Fair enough
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#1450 | |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: St. Paul, MN
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True. |
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