Backbreaker Football

tarcone · 06-27-2009, 08:40 PM

First I have seen of this game. It looks real fluid and dynamic. It uses the euphoria engine. I guess that makes it more fluid and dynamic.

hxxp://www.backbreakergame.com/

Epi_862 · 06-29-2009, 03:06 AM

I really feel like, everything shown from Backbreaker is a gimmick. You cant realistically try to compete with EA's Madden on your first year, and that seems like what they are doing.

Would've love to see them do maybe a Streetball game, or just flip the script a little.. But a pro game? Sounds WAY too much of a challenge for a small company. Streetball/ect version with some wild hits & physics would propably be awesome.

Sgran · 06-29-2009, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Epi_862

I really feel like, everything shown from Backbreaker is a gimmick. You cant realistically try to compete with EA's Madden on your first year, and that seems like what they are doing.

Would've love to see them do maybe a Streetball game, or just flip the script a little.. But a pro game? Sounds WAY too much of a challenge for a small company. Streetball/ect version with some wild hits & physics would propably be awesome.

I agree that they should have started with a different game, but more because people know football too well and will pick apart the small problems with time. For example, i could imagine that everyone on the field looks and move the same way if they're all governed by the same physics. But I have to say I'm intrigued and if the price is reasonable I'll give it a whirl. Could anyone find the price?

gstelmack · 06-29-2009, 07:33 AM

This game is built to show off their CG-animation engine. The difference here is that instead of motion capture, they compute how the guy should move and include physics, etc. It's more computationally expensive, but takes a lot less memory as you aren't storing all the animation data. LucasArts was showing off this tech in an Indiana Jones game a few years ago.

Football is a good way to show off that they can handle 22 guys and make it look good. The main point is to sell their tech, not the game.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-04-2010, 10:37 AM

OK, this game has my interest now. Noticed in this latest preview that they're going to have a career mode that is set up like soccer where you start in the lowest of three leagues and they have promotion/relegation between each of the leagues at the end of each year. College players will come in each year as well. This is a nice twist for those of us looking for something different.

Backbreaker Hands-On: Angle of Attack - News at GameSpot

Antmeister · 03-04-2010, 10:10 PM

Oh crap...yes that looks good.

Antmeister · 03-04-2010, 10:12 PM

So basically it will be a Pro Football version of FM. I hope this gets good reviews.

k0ruptr · 03-04-2010, 10:37 PM

Sounds cool , no injuries is an odd choice though..hmm.

sovereignstar · 03-04-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister

So basically it will be a Pro Football version of FM. I hope this gets good reviews.

How is that anything like the Pro Football version of FM? FM is the best sports sim on the planet and has been around for 18 years. This looks like a glitzy Maximum Football.

Antmeister · 03-05-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

How is that anything like the Pro Football version of FM? FM is the best sports sim on the planet and has been around for 18 years. This looks like a glitzy Maximum Football.

You're right. I meant it is attempting to be a pro football version of FM. Either way, I am eager to hear the reviews of this when it comes out in a few months.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-05-2010, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister

You're right. I meant it is attempting to be a pro football version of FM. Either way, I am eager to hear the reviews of this when it comes out in a few months.

Price point will be a big factor in sales.

Mustang · 03-05-2010, 09:45 AM

Maybe this is the same game, but I thought there was another football game in the works where they made a big deal out of how the tackling looked and how physics played a part. I thought it was something like Extreme Football or something like that.. or is this it?

Rizon · 03-05-2010, 09:50 AM

Does it have beer tents?

whomario · 03-05-2010, 10:32 AM

Definitely looks interesting and i really like that they aren´t trying to copy Madden and really try to bring out a different type of game.
Hope those "european roots" ensure that the game will be released over here or at the very least be region-free ...

Videos on IGN, Passgame, Rungame, defense and highlight reel : Backbreaker - X360 - Xbox 360 Video game Videos at IGN

the running motions look off, then again so do Maddens (still, after so many years) ...
Tackling/Contact really look interesting (@mustang : I am pretty sure it´s the same, it has been announced like 3 years ago or sth, then had some "blue screen" type videos a year later and only last year really gained steam)

darkenigma510 · 03-06-2010, 11:14 AM

Will pale in comparison to Maximum Football 3.0

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-28-2010, 09:22 AM

Really like some of the features they're putting into the game. Here's a developer video about the camera angles.

Sun Tzu · 03-28-2010, 09:27 PM

Meh. I remember seeing a gameplay footage vid of Backbreaker that reminded me a lot of Madden 2001. QB takes the ball, runs back 10 yards, throws 50 yards downfield off his backfoot to a triple covered WR at the goaline who jumps up, brings it down, and falls into the endzone.

:-\

Features are great, but if the game doesn't play well it isn't going to matter much. We'll see...

Dutch · 05-05-2010, 01:07 AM

So we get to see what this is all about on June 1st. I think it's more appealing than what I normally see as Madden alternatives. Hopefully this 1st gen game can work the kinks out by the time the NFL license is lifted in 2012...and maybe other developers can get a piece of the action to push Madden a little.

Atocep · 05-05-2010, 02:06 AM

k0ruptr · 05-05-2010, 02:10 AM

that is pretty damn awesome actually. although I can't help but think of Maximum customization, maximum football. lol.

Dutch · 05-05-2010, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

that is pretty damn awesome actually. although I can't help but think of Maximum customization, maximum football. lol.

Um, yeah. I am still amazed that a single man could so perfectly destroy a word which had previously been held with such regard in gaming circles.

Balldog · 05-05-2010, 05:13 AM

I think I'll just buy this to support the cause, I think on the field might not be the best but we'll see.

Apathetic Lurker · 05-05-2010, 08:15 AM

EA will show up at the developers doorstep with a suitcase full of cash..Then get rid of the ones making Madden now....Goodby independence, hello new Madden cash cow

QuikSand · 05-05-2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker

EA will show up at the developers doorstep with a suitcase full of cash..Then get rid of the ones making Madden now....Goodby independence, hello new Madden cash cow

Actually, a pretty legitimate business model.

MacroGuru · 05-05-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker

EA will show up at the developers doorstep with a suitcase full of cash..Then get rid of the ones making Madden now....Goodby independence, hello new Madden cash cow

It's what M$ did to Bungee to get Halo. I was at MacWorld when Halo was announced as the first real time 3D game of its type for the Mac.

wade moore · 05-05-2010, 08:48 AM

IGN article says May 18.

I'm intrigued by this game, but reading the IGN writeup (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/107/1073474p1.html) I definitely have a "wait and see" attitude for this.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 05-05-2010, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

IGN article says May 18.

I'm intrigued by this game, but reading the IGN writeup (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/107/1073474p1.html) I definitely have a "wait and see" attitude for this.

FYI......release was bumped to June 1st.

Apathetic Lurker · 05-05-2010, 09:43 AM

No PC= No Buy

gstelmack · 05-05-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

This game is built to show off their CG-animation engine. The difference here is that instead of motion capture, they compute how the guy should move and include physics, etc. It's more computationally expensive, but takes a lot less memory as you aren't storing all the animation data. LucasArts was showing off this tech in an Indiana Jones game a few years ago.

Football is a good way to show off that they can handle 22 guys and make it look good. The main point is to sell their tech, not the game.

Since I didn't feel like typing this all over again.

DanGarion · 05-05-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

It's what M$ did to Bungee to get Halo. I was at MacWorld when Halo was announced as the first real time 3D game of its type for the Mac.

Well it played on the Mac. I saw it running on Macs! During development...

Sun Tzu · 05-05-2010, 10:57 AM

Just to reiterate, football gaming, for me at least, has gotten to the point where graphics are no longer important. If the game plays like a real game of football, then I'm happy. All I've seen so far of this game is gameplay that looks 10 years old, but with really cool graphics.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 05-05-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

All I've seen so far of this game is gameplay that looks 10 years old, but with really cool graphics.

We talking about Madden or Backbreaker?

Sun Tzu · 05-05-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

We talking about Madden or Backbreaker?

Haha, at least in Madden they've eliminated the running back 15 yards and heaving a pass off of their back foot high into the air 50 yards down field into a crowd of 3 defenders only to have the receiver hit the jump button at the right time and come down with it.

Wait...haven't they?

Heh, but yes I'm talking about BB, not Madden.

MizzouRah · 05-08-2010, 05:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp20TyZVxog

I'm actually thinking about picking this one up. I'm not much for Madden and the gameplay looks like a lot of fun.

Groundhog · 05-08-2010, 07:26 PM

Hmm. Looks good. Does it have a career mode with rookies, retirements, etc?

MizzouRah · 05-08-2010, 08:36 PM

I don't think there is any career mode, I did read something about a tournament mode where each team gets harder or something.. along with either an 8, 16, or 32 team season mode.

k0ruptr · 05-08-2010, 08:39 PM

I'm pretty sure there is a career mode, different tho than american football, its set up like european football (soccer) and has relegation and what not .

Groundhog · 05-08-2010, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

I'm pretty sure there is a career mode, different tho than american football, its set up like european football (soccer) and has relegation and what not .

That's what a new football game has to do to succeed IMO. Be different enough to attract Madden gamers along with non-Madden gamers. If it's not NFL I can deal with unrealistic rushing yards, blocking etc.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 05-08-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

I'm pretty sure there is a career mode, different tho than american football, its set up like european football (soccer) and has relegation and what not .

Correct. There are three levels and you start at the bottom and try to get your team promoted through to the top league.

k0ruptr · 05-08-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

That's what a new football game has to do to succeed IMO. Be different enough to attract Madden gamers along with non-Madden gamers. If it's not NFL I can deal with unrealistic rushing yards, blocking etc.

agreed and it sounds like fun to me.

k0ruptr · 05-08-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Correct. There are three levels and you start at the bottom and try to get your team promoted through to the top league.

sounds cool to me, I am looking forward to picking this up, but I can say right now I'm not gonna pay $60 bucks for it, price point it at 35 and I'd buy it right off the bat though.

whomario · 05-09-2010, 06:22 AM

in germany it´s at 40 euros compared to 60 for Madden

anyone notice the linebacker No74 getting tripped up after the block around the 20 second mark ?

Definitely different game, but why not ? And i agree with the above that i don´t really care that much about licences and stuff like that, allways loved Pro Evolution Soccer´s master league mode f.e. better than the half-assed attempts at realistic representation of soccer in FIFA.

There´s going to be 2 career modes, 1 a classic 1-league setup with either 8,16,24 or 32 teams or the aforementioned euro-system-type 3-league mode.

Icy · 05-09-2010, 09:07 AM

If i'm not mistaken, i think i have read that there is no fatigue and no injuries, so there is no need for backups, also i wonder how will be the players contract part of the game, i guess no draft, etc.

For what i have been reading, I see it more as a quick online football game with nice graphics or a game to play vs friends, than as a football sim for career solo playing.

Eaglesfan27 · 05-09-2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Icy

If i'm not mistaken, i think i have read that there is no fatigue and no injuries, so there is no need for backups, also i wonder how will be the players contract part of the game, i guess no draft, etc.

For what i have been reading, I see it more as a quick online football game with nice graphics or a game to play vs friends, than as a football sim for career solo playing.

That wouldn't surprise me. Like Greg has said before, I think this game is more about showing off the tech than being a great game experience. I hope I am wrong.

MJ4H · 05-09-2010, 09:40 AM

Even if that's all true, it is still a step in the right direction. This game has to be made to make the next step forward in football games and get away from the shitty Madden games at some point. I really hope something comes of it if not in this version, then a descendant.

MizzouRah · 05-15-2010, 09:48 AM

Passing tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSWR73wCsQc

This is almost a day 1 purchase for me... will be following the impressions for sure.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 05-15-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Passing tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSWR73wCsQc

This is almost a day 1 purchase for me... will be following the impressions for sure.

I'm the same way. I'll be picking this one up early on.

whomario · 05-15-2010, 11:47 AM

might not be the most pretty or swift looking game, but the features/ideas for the play on the court are miles beyond anything madden ever tried. Remember the half-assed QB vision-cone idea ?
Backbreaker has that in a like infinitely more though out version with that focus mode and also the camera angle.

Blocking allready looks much more realistic than Madden.

I fully expect the game to have numerous glitches and problems and also a ton of criticism for the lack of real NFL names as well as a couple gameplay slights (no fatigue or injuries is indeed a strange decicion).

But i am pretty sure it is a step in a right direction that can ultimately apeal to football novices as well as long-time madden players looking for an alternative.

rowech · 05-15-2010, 12:01 PM

It is making me interested for the first time. Some of the features are very different and seem to be pretty well done.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 05-15-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario

might not be the most pretty or swift looking game, but the features/ideas for the play on the court are miles beyond anything madden ever tried. Remember the half-assed QB vision-cone idea ?

You know, it actually reminds me a lot of Tecmo Bowl in regard to selecting the receiver. Granted, there's a lot more involved with the bullet/touch, lead the receiver, etc., but the swapping from receiver to receiver is very much a Tecmo Bowl thing, albeit from the QB perspective as opposed to the top view.

06-29-2009, 07:33 AM	#4
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	This game is built to show off their CG-animation engine. The difference here is that instead of motion capture, they compute how the guy should move and include physics, etc. It's more computationally expensive, but takes a lot less memory as you aren't storing all the animation data. LucasArts was showing off this tech in an Indiana Jones game a few years ago. Football is a good way to show off that they can handle 22 guys and make it look good. The main point is to sell their tech, not the game. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

03-04-2010, 10:10 PM	#6
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	Oh crap...yes that looks good. __________________ "I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me" - Schmidty "Box me once, shame on Skydog. Box me twice. Shame on me. Box me 3 times, just fucking ban my ass...." - stevew

03-04-2010, 10:12 PM	#7
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	So basically it will be a Pro Football version of FM. I hope this gets good reviews. __________________ "I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me" - Schmidty "Box me once, shame on Skydog. Box me twice. Shame on me. Box me 3 times, just fucking ban my ass...." - stevew

03-04-2010, 10:37 PM	#8
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Sounds cool , no injuries is an odd choice though..hmm. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

03-05-2010, 09:45 AM	#12
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	Maybe this is the same game, but I thought there was another football game in the works where they made a big deal out of how the tackling looked and how physics played a part. I thought it was something like Extreme Football or something like that.. or is this it? __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

06-29-2009, 03:06 AM	#2
Epi_862 Mascot Join Date: Mar 2008	I really feel like, everything shown from Backbreaker is a gimmick. You cant realistically try to compete with EA's Madden on your first year, and that seems like what they are doing. Would've love to see them do maybe a Streetball game, or just flip the script a little.. But a pro game? Sounds WAY too much of a challenge for a small company. Streetball/ect version with some wild hits & physics would propably be awesome.

03-04-2010, 10:37 AM	#5
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	OK, this game has my interest now. Noticed in this latest preview that they're going to have a career mode that is set up like soccer where you start in the lowest of three leagues and they have promotion/relegation between each of the leagues at the end of each year. College players will come in each year as well. This is a nice twist for those of us looking for something different. Backbreaker Hands-On: Angle of Attack - News at GameSpot

03-05-2010, 10:32 AM	#14
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Definitely looks interesting and i really like that they aren´t trying to copy Madden and really try to bring out a different type of game. Hope those "european roots" ensure that the game will be released over here or at the very least be region-free ... Videos on IGN, Passgame, Rungame, defense and highlight reel : Backbreaker - X360 - Xbox 360 Video game Videos at IGN the running motions look off, then again so do Maddens (still, after so many years) ... Tackling/Contact really look interesting (@mustang : I am pretty sure it´s the same, it has been announced like 3 years ago or sth, then had some "blue screen" type videos a year later and only last year really gained steam) Last edited by whomario : 03-05-2010 at 10:44 AM.

03-06-2010, 11:14 AM	#15
darkenigma510 n00b Join Date: Jan 2007	Will pale in comparison to Maximum Football 3.0

03-28-2010, 09:22 AM	#16
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Really like some of the features they're putting into the game. Here's a developer video about the camera angles.

03-28-2010, 09:27 PM	#17
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	Meh. I remember seeing a gameplay footage vid of Backbreaker that reminded me a lot of Madden 2001. QB takes the ball, runs back 10 yards, throws 50 yards downfield off his backfoot to a triple covered WR at the goaline who jumps up, brings it down, and falls into the endzone. :-\ Features are great, but if the game doesn't play well it isn't going to matter much. We'll see... __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

05-05-2010, 01:07 AM	#18
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	So we get to see what this is all about on June 1st. I think it's more appealing than what I normally see as Madden alternatives. Hopefully this 1st gen game can work the kinks out by the time the NFL license is lifted in 2012...and maybe other developers can get a piece of the action to push Madden a little.

05-05-2010, 02:06 AM	#19
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA

05-05-2010, 02:10 AM	#20
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	that is pretty damn awesome actually. although I can't help but think of Maximum customization, maximum football. lol. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

05-05-2010, 05:13 AM	#22
Balldog Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Macomb, MI	I think I'll just buy this to support the cause, I think on the field might not be the best but we'll see.

05-05-2010, 08:15 AM	#23
Apathetic Lurker College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo,NY	EA will show up at the developers doorstep with a suitcase full of cash..Then get rid of the ones making Madden now....Goodby independence, hello new Madden cash cow

05-05-2010, 09:43 AM	#28
Apathetic Lurker College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo,NY	No PC= No Buy

05-05-2010, 10:57 AM	#31
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	Just to reiterate, football gaming, for me at least, has gotten to the point where graphics are no longer important. If the game plays like a real game of football, then I'm happy. All I've seen so far of this game is gameplay that looks 10 years old, but with really cool graphics. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

05-08-2010, 05:59 PM	#34
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp20TyZVxog I'm actually thinking about picking this one up. I'm not much for Madden and the gameplay looks like a lot of fun.

05-08-2010, 07:26 PM	#35
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Hmm. Looks good. Does it have a career mode with rookies, retirements, etc? __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

05-08-2010, 08:36 PM	#36
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	I don't think there is any career mode, I did read something about a tournament mode where each team gets harder or something.. along with either an 8, 16, or 32 team season mode.

05-08-2010, 08:39 PM	#37
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	I'm pretty sure there is a career mode, different tho than american football, its set up like european football (soccer) and has relegation and what not . __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

05-09-2010, 06:22 AM	#42
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	in germany it´s at 40 euros compared to 60 for Madden anyone notice the linebacker No74 getting tripped up after the block around the 20 second mark ? Definitely different game, but why not ? And i agree with the above that i don´t really care that much about licences and stuff like that, allways loved Pro Evolution Soccer´s master league mode f.e. better than the half-assed attempts at realistic representation of soccer in FIFA. There´s going to be 2 career modes, 1 a classic 1-league setup with either 8,16,24 or 32 teams or the aforementioned euro-system-type 3-league mode.

05-09-2010, 09:07 AM	#43
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	If i'm not mistaken, i think i have read that there is no fatigue and no injuries, so there is no need for backups, also i wonder how will be the players contract part of the game, i guess no draft, etc. For what i have been reading, I see it more as a quick online football game with nice graphics or a game to play vs friends, than as a football sim for career solo playing. __________________ Last edited by Icy : 05-09-2010 at 09:08 AM.

05-09-2010, 09:40 AM	#45
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Even if that's all true, it is still a step in the right direction. This game has to be made to make the next step forward in football games and get away from the shitty Madden games at some point. I really hope something comes of it if not in this version, then a descendant.

05-15-2010, 09:48 AM	#46
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Passing tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSWR73wCsQc This is almost a day 1 purchase for me... will be following the impressions for sure.

05-15-2010, 11:47 AM	#48
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	might not be the most pretty or swift looking game, but the features/ideas for the play on the court are miles beyond anything madden ever tried. Remember the half-assed QB vision-cone idea ? Backbreaker has that in a like infinitely more though out version with that focus mode and also the camera angle. Blocking allready looks much more realistic than Madden. I fully expect the game to have numerous glitches and problems and also a ton of criticism for the lack of real NFL names as well as a couple gameplay slights (no fatigue or injuries is indeed a strange decicion). But i am pretty sure it is a step in a right direction that can ultimately apeal to football novices as well as long-time madden players looking for an alternative.

05-15-2010, 12:01 PM	#49
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	It is making me interested for the first time. Some of the features are very different and seem to be pretty well done.

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