The NBA 2010 offseason/draft thread - Page 11

JPhillips · 06-30-2010, 07:00 AM

The Wizards are doing everything in their power to become a late lottery/low playoff team. At least it should be fun in a few years to figure out where Wall goes as a free agent.

whomario · 06-30-2010, 07:14 AM

i disagree on that. Certainly Hinrich is a tad bit overpaid, but i fail to see the Miami strategy working with trotting out 2 or 3 super stars that may or may not be able to coexist on the court (Wade and Lebron need the ball all the time, fact) and then a bunch of 2nd round draft picks, minimum players and veterans that may or may not sign for minimum contracts "to play with Lebron and Wade" (not much of that hapened in Cleveland and miami recently, did it ?).

The Wizards still have the cap space to pursue a max player or 2 very good FAs, heck they might even find a team stupid enough to take on Arenas in a sign and trade.

Not a Washington fan, but i really fail to see how their strategy is all that bad really ...

JPhillips · 06-30-2010, 07:22 AM

The thing is they are unlikely to keep Hinrich or Yi after 2011. If they were parts of a long term strategy it might make sense, but getting an extra five or ten wins in 2010 is detrimental to their long-term success.

You've got to have two top players to win a championship regardless of your other ten. IF they can land a top free agent great, but it's more likely they end up with a second tier guy and a team that won't ever compete for a championship. In other words a team a whole lot like the one they just blew up.

molson · 06-30-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Not a surprise. He was always going to opt out so that he could get one more contract before retirement. Better to do it now than a year from now coming off who knows what kind of season.

He's been on-the-record as saying he intends to retire as a Celtic though, so I'm not losing any sleep over this.

Tough call for the Celtics. I'm sure Ainge would rather have an aging big three, and improving supporting cast for one more season, but he can't be excited about committing long-term to Pierce and Allen to do it.

I'm usually against the "blow it up" theory when it comes to team construction. It usually doesn't work out. Re-loading and re-tooling is usually a better strategy. And I'd usually rather my team be at least a playoff contender, than be god-awful for 5 years with an outside chance of being better after that if everything falls into place.

But since the C's have won a title with this group, I'd be a little more content to have a few terrible years going forward.

DaddyTorgo · 06-30-2010, 11:16 AM

I don't want to let Pierce go though. Guy needs to retire with the Celtics. He would fall under my clause in FM or even in DDS:PB of "he's been here long enough to deserve to retire with me...even if that means hurting the greater good of the team."

JPhillips · 06-30-2010, 11:23 AM

The Celtics are made for a text sim. In real life you can't let Allen and Pierce go, but I'd love to see it happen as well as trading Garnett. They've got a star in Rondo and it wouldn't take that much to put them in contention for years.

Logan · 06-30-2010, 12:05 PM

You can absolutely let Allen go in real life.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-30-2010, 12:06 PM

The problem with letting Allen go is they won't be able to sign anyone to replace him.

Sublime 2 · 06-30-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

The problem with letting Allen go is they won't be able to sign anyone to replace him.

Give me Mike Miller at the MLE and I'd be happy.

DaddyTorgo · 06-30-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime 2

Give me Mike Miller at the MLE and I'd be happy.

No way. I also think Allen doesn't really want to leave. He's comfortable here...his kid has diabetes and there's nowhere better in the world to be in that instance there here in Boston...he's got Rondo to get him plenty of wide-open 3's...etc.

Sublime 2 · 06-30-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

No way. I also think Allen doesn't really want to leave. He's comfortable here...his kid has diabetes and there's nowhere better in the world to be in that instance there here in Boston...he's got Rondo to get him plenty of wide-open 3's...etc.

I agree that I don't think Ray wants to leave, but why no love for a Mike Miller at the Mid-Level? I haven't checked the stats, but Miller is an upgrade on the boards, and I'm not sure his shooting is that much worse than Ray's (albeit different shot attempts I'm sure).

DeToxRox · 06-30-2010, 02:05 PM

Apparently the Hawks have made a max offer deal to Joe Johnson. Knicks are going to be fucked if this is true. Hello Carlos Boozer and Paul Pierce?

whomario · 06-30-2010, 02:17 PM

Mike Miller has been aparently auditioning for a role on a contender for 2 years now by simply deciding not to shoot that damn ball anymore going from 14 and 12 FGAs his last 2 seasons in Memphis to shooting just 7.5 and 8 times in Minnesota and Washington with no one really knowing why the heck that happened.
Imo the guy should be right up there for every single "contender". Not because of that little annecdote but because his skill set on offense would be great for a lot of teams, great shooter and great passer as well as a very competent rebounder (6+ boards and 4+ assists the last 2 years).

@ JPhillips : I love Rondo, but i don´t think you can win with him as the guy every defense focuses on or as your clear best player. Not that type of player.
And it´s not like the Celtics have any real talented guys on the bench to step in, those are role players and nothing more.

DeToxRox · 06-30-2010, 02:18 PM

Dola, I won't comment on the fact that Atlanta offering max to Johnson is absurd, should be obvious.

Arles · 06-30-2010, 02:29 PM

Chad Ford is reporting that Miami is looking into a Beasley + Chalmers for Bosh sign and trade. The move would give Toronto the two players plus a $10 million trade exception.

If this happens and Miami signs Wade, Bosh and Lebron - they would need to fill the other nine roster spots with minimum salary guys. You don't get the MLE or LLE if you are under the cap at the start of FA. I don't see how Miami can win a title with "the big 3" and 9 min-salary guys. Even Boston had 5-6 "role players" making more money than the minimum when they won.

JPhillips · 06-30-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario

Mike Miller has been aparently auditioning for a role on a contender for 2 years now by simply deciding not to shoot that damn ball anymore going from 14 and 12 FGAs his last 2 seasons in Memphis to shooting just 7.5 and 8 times in Minnesota and Washington with no one really knowing why the heck that happened.
Imo the guy should be right up there for every single "contender". Not because of that little annecdote but because his skill set on offense would be great for a lot of teams, great shooter and great passer as well as a very competent rebounder (6+ boards and 4+ assists the last 2 years).

@ JPhillips : I love Rondo, but i don´t think you can win with him as the guy every defense focuses on or as your clear best player. Not that type of player.
And it´s not like the Celtics have any real talented guys on the bench to step in, those are role players and nothing more.

In real life you can't blow up the Celtics, but it would be a great text sim challenge.

Logan · 06-30-2010, 02:31 PM

If the Knicks don't sign any of the main guys (which really means either Wade or LeBron, cause I don't see Bosh making a difference alone) they would be so much better off just filling out the roster with relatively cheap guys for 1-2 years. Then use the available cap space to acquire assets down the line like how they've been victimized in recent years, maybe you take back a bad salary but you add a #1 or multiple #1s to do it. 2011 is screwed since the pick they will swap with Houston is only protected for the first overall, but after that the 2012 pick they owe them is top 5 protected through 2015.

They need young talent on the roster. If LeBron or Wade wouldn't come here to be the man among a shit roster, no one after will until the talent throughout the team grows.

Passacaglia · 06-30-2010, 02:37 PM

I wonder if it's time to revisit this whole "max contract" idea.

whomario · 06-30-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

In real life you can't blow up the Celtics, but it would be a great text sim challenge.

yeah, kind of didn´t recognize that before i hit send

That would definitely be true

I have absolutely no idea what will happen, pretty sure no one has and everybody who gets a predicition right will do so by accident.

My take : Of the big 8 (Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Stoudemire, Nowitzki, Johnson, Pierce, Boozer) 6 stay right where they are now and of the other 2 i see one end up at a team with no cap space (sign & trade) and another in New York.
Maybe

I would kill to see Nowitzki in a Rockets jersey, how awesome would that be ? For some weird reason i don´t like Bosh on the field, although on paper he´d definitely mash well with Yao up front but would definitely have to play some Center with the existing Roster, which he reportedly refuses (but that might be just if its a full time gig)

Desnudo · 06-30-2010, 03:06 PM

Primer on the Celtics cap situation

Confused by the cap? Here's a primer

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-30-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime 2

Give me Mike Miller at the MLE and I'd be happy.

Would you rather have Mike Miller at the MLE, or Allen and someone else at the MLE?

Chief Rum · 06-30-2010, 03:11 PM

Hey whomario,

Not sure how much you pay attention to all Euro bball matters, but are you hearing anything about Sofokles "Baby Shaq" Schortsanitis possible coming over (finally) to the Clippers?

Found a link on a Clippers fan board that showed him as coming to LA today to meet with staff and possible negotiate a deal. He would also participate in the summer workouts (not sure if he would play in the summer league).

stevew · 06-30-2010, 03:21 PM

Wow....Baby Shaq....they still make that?

Sublime 2 · 06-30-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Would you rather have Mike Miller at the MLE, or Allen and someone else at the MLE?

Absolutely Allen+ at the MLE, but I think Ray will be asking for more than MLE money by himself, no way they'd be splitting it between him and someone substantial.

IMO

molson · 06-30-2010, 03:30 PM

Doc Rivers says he's coming back for the final year of his contract, and specifically said, "I want another crack at it with this group." Which makes me think Pierce is coming back.

I don't think Allen is all that important anymore. Certainly not important enough to commit another big, multi-year deal to.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-30-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime 2

Absolutely Allen+ at the MLE, but I think Ray will be asking for more than MLE money by himself, no way they'd be splitting it between him and someone substantial.

IMO

Right but they can Bird-year him in and use the full MLE elsewhere, no?

flere-imsaho · 06-30-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Primer on the Celtics cap situation

Confused by the cap? Here's a primer

Reads like a make-work program for unemployed accountants.

molson · 06-30-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Right but they can Bird-year him in and use the full MLE elsewhere, no?

They could, but how many future contract years (into the rebuliding project after next season) do you want to commit to Ray Allen?

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 06-30-2010, 03:44 PM

Well, we're just talking Wyc's money, right? Sign him, don't sign him, the cap is pretty much the same anyway.

edit: This is assuming that said rebuilding program is going to take a while anyway.

whomario · 06-30-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Hey whomario,

Not sure how much you pay attention to all Euro bball matters, but are you hearing anything about Sofokles "Baby Shaq" Schortsanitis possible coming over (finally) to the Clippers?

Found a link on a Clippers fan board that showed him as coming to LA today to meet with staff and possible negotiate a deal. He would also participate in the summer workouts (not sure if he would play in the summer league).

Must admit that i haven´t paid all that much attention this year in between being away from civilisation (well, the internet at least) for 3 weeks and now the world cup and all, but i also read on a few pages from around Europe that he´s going to go over.
His contract is up and he reportedly is in the best shape of his career (again ...) and wants to give it a try.
Numbers i read range from about 6-8 mio dollars for 3 years.

However he´s on the Greece Roster for the World Championship and it´s really an either/or decicion between summer league and that. If the Clippers think they need to see him in Vegas than he´ll likely not make the jump and simply sign a new contract with Olympiacos (which is on the table for him to sign)

Have no idea if he´d fit in the NBA, the guy is such a unique player it´s really hard to project him. I mean, the guy barely plays 15 minutes over here but when he´s on the court he annihilates defenses to the tune of 8 PPG in 13 minutes in the euroleague and 10 PPG in 14 MPG in the Euroleague.
That´s propably the role he could fill in the NBA as well, sparkplug (weird to say that about a big man) that comes in and does one thing really well, that thing being Pick and Roll offense.

He will never play more than 20 minutes a game or be anything close to resembling an all around player.

EDIT : Want more weird and unique ? The guy played competitive chess before turning to basketball ...

Arles · 06-30-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Right but they can Bird-year him in and use the full MLE elsewhere, no?

IIRC, with Pierce opting out, the Celtics don't get the MLE since they are starting the offseason under the cap.

Sublime 2 · 06-30-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

IIRC, with Pierce opting out, the Celtics don't get the MLE since they are starting the offseason under the cap.

I think they would still have to renounce Pierce, because they would still have his bird rights correct?

Arles · 06-30-2010, 04:19 PM

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I think they would still have to renounce Pierce, because they would still have his bird rights correct?

Yeah, you're right. As long as they have the bird rights, he counts for being over the cap and the MLE.

RainMaker · 06-30-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario

(Wade and Lebron need the ball all the time, fact)

Where do you get this from? Lebron is one of the better passers in the league and has shown no problem delegating to his teammates. Wade has done the same in situations where it was warranted. This isn't Kobe we're talking about who will cry if he doesn't get his 20 shots, these guys have shown that they can work well with others.

MikeVic · 06-30-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Where do you get this from? Lebron is one of the better passers in the league and has shown no problem delegating to his teammates. Wade has done the same in situations where it was warranted. This isn't Kobe we're talking about who will cry if he doesn't get his 20 shots, these guys have shown that they can work well with others.

I think he means they both like to bring the ball up and control the game.

MrBug708 · 06-30-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Where do you get this from? Lebron is one of the better passers in the league and has shown no problem delegating to his teammates. Wade has done the same in situations where it was warranted. This isn't Kobe we're talking about who will cry if he doesn't get his 20 shots, these guys have shown that they can work well with others.

Your bitterness is noted

Neuqua · 06-30-2010, 05:05 PM

Ok, I admit. I love crazy Russian billionaire guy.

Mikhail Prokhorov Put Up a Nets Mural at Madison Square Garden - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

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When Mikhail Prokhorov assumed control of the Nets just a few months ago, he claimed that he wanted to make the Nets the biggest team in the world. Implicit in that statement was that he also wanted them to be the biggest team in the New York area, a title currently held by the traditional favorites, the New York Knicks.

However, with the Knicks mired in a string of losing seasons and looking unlikely to make a significant splash during the free agent period, Prokhorov smells blood. So he’s reacting by putting up a giant mural for the Nets right near the Mecca of basketball. From the New York Post:

Upstart New Jersey Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov has penetrated New York’s shabby defense with a towering 225-foot mural touting his team just yards from where the Knicks hold court.

Prokhorov teams up with hip-hop mogul Jay-Z on a mural proclaiming “The blueprint for greatness.” It looms above Madison Square Garden on Eighth Avenue and 34th Street with the heading “the blueprint for greatness” and a Nets logo that’s bigger than a backboard.

The mural isn’t finished yet, but it will be completed by tomorrow. You know, just in time for the Nets to pick up an excellent player in free agency and have the Knicks and their fans end up disappointed.

This is exactly the kind of brash move Prokhorov promised when he took over the franchise. It could backfire if the Knicks do somehow lure LeBron James(notes) (or even Chris Bosh(notes)) to New York, but that doesn’t seem very likely.

Knicks fans are loyal and unlikely to make a clean break for the Nets. But Prokhorov can at least get people to pay attention to the Nets. Then, maybe they’ll decide to go to the game or watch more of their games on television. New fans will see a team with a larger profile, and when it comes time to pick a team, maybe they’ll go for the Nets.

Chief Rum · 06-30-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario

Must admit that i haven´t paid all that much attention this year in between being away from civilisation (well, the internet at least) for 3 weeks and now the world cup and all, but i also read on a few pages from around Europe that he´s going to go over.
His contract is up and he reportedly is in the best shape of his career (again ...) and wants to give it a try.
Numbers i read range from about 6-8 mio dollars for 3 years.

However he´s on the Greece Roster for the World Championship and it´s really an either/or decicion between summer league and that. If the Clippers think they need to see him in Vegas than he´ll likely not make the jump and simply sign a new contract with Olympiacos (which is on the table for him to sign)

Have no idea if he´d fit in the NBA, the guy is such a unique player it´s really hard to project him. I mean, the guy barely plays 15 minutes over here but when he´s on the court he annihilates defenses to the tune of 8 PPG in 13 minutes in the euroleague and 10 PPG in 14 MPG in the Euroleague.
That´s propably the role he could fill in the NBA as well, sparkplug (weird to say that about a big man) that comes in and does one thing really well, that thing being Pick and Roll offense.

He will never play more than 20 minutes a game or be anything close to resembling an all around player.

EDIT : Want more weird and unique ? The guy played competitive chess before turning to basketball ...

Didn't know all that. Pretty neat and informative. Thanks, whomario. I'll be keeping an eye on this one.

Chief Rum · 06-30-2010, 05:24 PM

BTW, why do you say he won't ever play more than 20? Because of his weight? Not challenging, just curious. Heck, even Oliver Miller played more than 20 mins in his prime, and he was bigger than MSG.

Maybe we need to get Baby Shaq away from Greek food.

molson · 06-30-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

. Heck, even Oliver Miller played more than 20 mins in his prime, and he was bigger than MSG.

So this made me wonder how much Oliver Miller must weigh now, I googled him, and it turns out he's still playing, at 40 years old, for the Lawton-Fort Sill Cavalry of something called the Premiere Basketball League.

So he's available.

RedKingGold · 06-30-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime 2

Give me Mike Miller at the MLE and I'd be happy.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

No way. I also think Allen doesn't really want to leave. He's comfortable here...his kid has diabetes and there's nowhere better in the world to be in that instance there here in Boston...he's got Rondo to get him plenty of wide-open 3's...etc.

BOO!

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Originally Posted by Sublime 2

I agree that I don't think Ray wants to leave, but why no love for a Mike Miller at the Mid-Level? I haven't checked the stats, but Miller is an upgrade on the boards, and I'm not sure his shooting is that much worse than Ray's (albeit different shot attempts I'm sure).

Yeah!

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Originally Posted by whomario

Mike Miller has been aparently auditioning for a role on a contender for 2 years now by simply deciding not to shoot that damn ball anymore going from 14 and 12 FGAs his last 2 seasons in Memphis to shooting just 7.5 and 8 times in Minnesota and Washington with no one really knowing why the heck that happened.
Imo the guy should be right up there for every single "contender". Not because of that little annecdote but because his skill set on offense would be great for a lot of teams, great shooter and great passer as well as a very competent rebounder (6+ boards and 4+ assists the last 2 years).

Jerk.

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Would you rather have Mike Miller at the MLE, or Allen and someone else at the MLE?

I'd rather have me!

RedKingGold · 06-30-2010, 05:51 PM

(To get what I just did, you'll have to know that my real name is Mike Miler).

Danny · 06-30-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

(To get what I just did, you'll have to know that my real name is Mike Miler).

So you going to sign with the Celtics and the MLE if they let Allen sign elsewhere?

Chief Rum · 06-30-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

So this made me wonder how much Oliver Miller must weigh now, I googled him, and it turns out he's still playing, at 40 years old, for the Lawton-Fort Sill Cavalry of something called the Premiere Basketball League.

So he's available.

So much does Oliver weigh now, per the team website?

RainMaker · 06-30-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Your bitterness is noted

It's not bitterness, my favorite player of all time Michael Jordan was the same way. They were guys who needed to "get theirs".

Lebron is more Magic Johnson than Kobe/Jordan. He's a guy who could legitimately average a triple double for the season on the right team (I think he would do it on this Miami team if he got the minutes). I'm just trying to debunk this notion that just because they are superstars, they don't have the ability to play with one another.

stevew · 06-30-2010, 08:04 PM

RICHARD JEFFERSON OPTED OUT OF 15M.

What the fuck.

Groundhog · 06-30-2010, 08:12 PM

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RICHARD JEFFERSON OPTED OUT OF 15M.

What the fuck.

Wow.

And he thinks he can still get around $10mil a year too for a multi-year deal. I guess he really hated his time in San Antonio, but I can't imagine his stock has ever been lower than it is right now.

I guess there are going to be at least 1 or 2 teams with cap space that walk away without one of the A-grade guys, but even so Jefferson is a C-grade free agent... I doubt he gets more than mid-level money.

stevew · 06-30-2010, 08:16 PM

I don't know how he did this. His ceiling is a 5 year MLE deal. It is likely he gives away his next 3 years for 15M.

Arles · 06-30-2010, 08:16 PM

New York Knick fans - Your reward for the last 3 years of "sucktitude" and gaining cap space is.....

Richard Jefferson and David Lee

Sorry, couldn't resist

06-30-2010, 07:00 AM	#501
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The Wizards are doing everything in their power to become a late lottery/low playoff team. At least it should be fun in a few years to figure out where Wall goes as a free agent. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

06-30-2010, 07:14 AM	#502
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	i disagree on that. Certainly Hinrich is a tad bit overpaid, but i fail to see the Miami strategy working with trotting out 2 or 3 super stars that may or may not be able to coexist on the court (Wade and Lebron need the ball all the time, fact) and then a bunch of 2nd round draft picks, minimum players and veterans that may or may not sign for minimum contracts "to play with Lebron and Wade" (not much of that hapened in Cleveland and miami recently, did it ?). The Wizards still have the cap space to pursue a max player or 2 very good FAs, heck they might even find a team stupid enough to take on Arenas in a sign and trade. Not a Washington fan, but i really fail to see how their strategy is all that bad really ... __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

06-30-2010, 07:22 AM	#503
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The thing is they are unlikely to keep Hinrich or Yi after 2011. If they were parts of a long term strategy it might make sense, but getting an extra five or ten wins in 2010 is detrimental to their long-term success. You've got to have two top players to win a championship regardless of your other ten. IF they can land a top free agent great, but it's more likely they end up with a second tier guy and a team that won't ever compete for a championship. In other words a team a whole lot like the one they just blew up. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

06-30-2010, 11:23 AM	#507
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The Celtics are made for a text sim. In real life you can't let Allen and Pierce go, but I'd love to see it happen as well as trading Garnett. They've got a star in Rondo and it wouldn't take that much to put them in contention for years. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

06-30-2010, 12:06 PM	#509
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	The problem with letting Allen go is they won't be able to sign anyone to replace him. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

06-30-2010, 11:16 AM	#506
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I don't want to let Pierce go though. Guy needs to retire with the Celtics. He would fall under my clause in FM or even in DDS:PB of "he's been here long enough to deserve to retire with me...even if that means hurting the greater good of the team."

06-30-2010, 12:05 PM	#508
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	You can absolutely let Allen go in real life.

06-30-2010, 02:05 PM	#513
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Apparently the Hawks have made a max offer deal to Joe Johnson. Knicks are going to be fucked if this is true. Hello Carlos Boozer and Paul Pierce?

06-30-2010, 02:17 PM	#514
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Mike Miller has been aparently auditioning for a role on a contender for 2 years now by simply deciding not to shoot that damn ball anymore going from 14 and 12 FGAs his last 2 seasons in Memphis to shooting just 7.5 and 8 times in Minnesota and Washington with no one really knowing why the heck that happened. Imo the guy should be right up there for every single "contender". Not because of that little annecdote but because his skill set on offense would be great for a lot of teams, great shooter and great passer as well as a very competent rebounder (6+ boards and 4+ assists the last 2 years). @ JPhillips : I love Rondo, but i don´t think you can win with him as the guy every defense focuses on or as your clear best player. Not that type of player. And it´s not like the Celtics have any real talented guys on the bench to step in, those are role players and nothing more. __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!” Last edited by whomario : 06-30-2010 at 02:18 PM.

06-30-2010, 02:18 PM	#515
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Dola, I won't comment on the fact that Atlanta offering max to Johnson is absurd, should be obvious.

06-30-2010, 02:29 PM	#516
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Chad Ford is reporting that Miami is looking into a Beasley + Chalmers for Bosh sign and trade. The move would give Toronto the two players plus a $10 million trade exception. If this happens and Miami signs Wade, Bosh and Lebron - they would need to fill the other nine roster spots with minimum salary guys. You don't get the MLE or LLE if you are under the cap at the start of FA. I don't see how Miami can win a title with "the big 3" and 9 min-salary guys. Even Boston had 5-6 "role players" making more money than the minimum when they won. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

06-30-2010, 02:31 PM	#518
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	If the Knicks don't sign any of the main guys (which really means either Wade or LeBron, cause I don't see Bosh making a difference alone) they would be so much better off just filling out the roster with relatively cheap guys for 1-2 years. Then use the available cap space to acquire assets down the line like how they've been victimized in recent years, maybe you take back a bad salary but you add a #1 or multiple #1s to do it. 2011 is screwed since the pick they will swap with Houston is only protected for the first overall, but after that the 2012 pick they owe them is top 5 protected through 2015. They need young talent on the roster. If LeBron or Wade wouldn't come here to be the man among a shit roster, no one after will until the talent throughout the team grows.

06-30-2010, 02:37 PM	#519
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I wonder if it's time to revisit this whole "max contract" idea.

06-30-2010, 03:06 PM	#521
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Primer on the Celtics cap situation Confused by the cap? Here's a primer

06-30-2010, 03:11 PM	#523
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Hey whomario, Not sure how much you pay attention to all Euro bball matters, but are you hearing anything about Sofokles "Baby Shaq" Schortsanitis possible coming over (finally) to the Clippers? Found a link on a Clippers fan board that showed him as coming to LA today to meet with staff and possible negotiate a deal. He would also participate in the summer workouts (not sure if he would play in the summer league). __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

06-30-2010, 03:21 PM	#524
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Wow....Baby Shaq....they still make that?

06-30-2010, 03:30 PM	#526
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Doc Rivers says he's coming back for the final year of his contract, and specifically said, "I want another crack at it with this group." Which makes me think Pierce is coming back. I don't think Allen is all that important anymore. Certainly not important enough to commit another big, multi-year deal to.

06-30-2010, 03:44 PM	#530
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Well, we're just talking Wyc's money, right? Sign him, don't sign him, the cap is pretty much the same anyway. edit: This is assuming that said rebuilding program is going to take a while anyway. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think Last edited by Ronnie Dobbs2 : 06-30-2010 at 03:45 PM.

06-30-2010, 05:24 PM	#540
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	BTW, why do you say he won't ever play more than 20? Because of his weight? Not challenging, just curious. Heck, even Oliver Miller played more than 20 mins in his prime, and he was bigger than MSG. Maybe we need to get Baby Shaq away from Greek food. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

06-30-2010, 05:51 PM	#543
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	(To get what I just did, you'll have to know that my real name is Mike Miler).

06-30-2010, 08:04 PM	#547
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	RICHARD JEFFERSON OPTED OUT OF 15M. What the fuck.

06-30-2010, 08:16 PM	#549
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I don't know how he did this. His ceiling is a 5 year MLE deal. It is likely he gives away his next 3 years for 15M.

06-30-2010, 08:16 PM	#550
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	New York Knick fans - Your reward for the last 3 years of "sucktitude" and gaining cap space is..... Richard Jefferson and David Lee Sorry, couldn't resist __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 06-30-2010 at 08:17 PM.

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