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Old 04-10-2011, 03:37 AM   #1
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Being The AD IV: What You See Is What You Get

PREFACE
So I've done a bit of research and just seems that FBCB doesn't lend itself well to the dynasty format as well as some other games. FOF just has legions of geeks attached to it, OOTP generates pretty accouterments and other games are what they are. FBCB is intensive, in-depth and presents more data than you can shake a stick at.

But it's just a stat dump fest unless you just want to tell a story and even then...I don't really feel like it works as well as I'd like because of how I end up playing these games. It's really a flaw in my lack of desire to coach games and so forth. Coach hiring is fun, but not interesting unless I want to write about hiring for like 20 schools and I just find that hard to keep up with and difficult to feign personal interest in.

Still, I can't stop playing.

So I'm going to attempt to tell a story.

INTRODUCTION
The City College of New York were once the toasts of college basketball in real life, before a scandal brought them down. In 1950, the school became the only school to win the NCAA and NIT in the same year. Of course, this feat can't be duplicated even if the Beavers were still a D1 team, rather than a D3 also-ran.

Using the same database I've been playing with since 1899, we're now in the year 1987. There are currently 397 schools in D1 and if you've read my dynasties before, it's just a matter of time before I add more.

CCNY is a new entrant for 1987. My idea was to find a school (and a coach, ideally) that would do what UCLA did to the NCAA back in the 1960s and 1970s. Except, I wanted to surpass that legacy all together by reeling off as many titles in a decade as possible.

In order to do this, the team would need a bit of assistance and I'd provide that in the form of stacked players at least until the school was able to recruit its own five-star recruits.

I wanted to see what it would take not just to build a superpower club. But to sustain a program at the highest levels over decades. From replacing coaches to recruiting kids to come to the school that doesn't settle for anything less than national titles, my goal was to bring college basketball excellence a la Duke, UNC, Kansas and UCLA to New York City in the form of a college program over a decade or two and see how long I could keep it going.

I don't think I'll ever coach the team and so, in theory, it's just like my other dynasties where I lead the program from afar. The difference here is, you already know going in that the signature program on the block -- ideally -- will be CCNY. Whether you're rooting for the Beavers or rooting against them, they're the entire focus of this dynasty and who will turn our attention to.


Here's how this will go down:

I'm in the midst of going through ten seasons with this team. Hopefully creating characters along the way and signature players of whom the team will revere as icons if all goes well. For all I know, the whole deal could get flubbed up and they could make 10 Final Fours or flame out year after year. Or win ten straight. No idea how this will look, because while I'm stacking the deck, the games and such are on autopilot.

Anyway, after a decade I'll report back with results and let you know how things went down at CCNY. Then from there, we'll do season-by-season reports of the team. You're either for the Beavers or against them.


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Old 04-11-2011, 03:47 PM   #2
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Before UConn, There Was Wayland
By JERÉ LONGMAN

The 1950s were a predictably conservative era at tiny Wayland Baptist University, on the high plains of West Texas, where women could not wear shorts even to walk to the gym from their dormitories.

And yet, long before Connecticut became a dominant power in women’s basketball, the Flying Queens of Wayland Baptist thrived on innovation, talent and glamour, playing on athletic scholarships, traveling by private planes, warming up with ostentatious drills learned from the Harlem Globetrotters and winning every game for nearly five seasons.

Although UConn can match U.C.L.A.’s major-college record of 88 consecutive victories Sunday against Ohio State at Madison Square Garden, the Huskies remain far short of the 131 straight games that Wayland Baptist won from 1953 to ’58 — a streak that began early in the first term of the Eisenhower administration, remained aloft as McDonald’s golden arches first appeared along with Dear Abby and Frisbees, then fell from orbit two months after Sputnik.

Before UConn, Before U.C.L.A., There was Wayland Baptist

Now I realize the strangeness of melding real life contemporary history with a completely fictional one.

But there is a point.

Here's the current list of champions through nine years at CCNY.
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:03 PM   #3
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Using UCLA's dominance as my base, I wanted to create a dominant legacy in a program that'd be hard to match. I wanted to develop a larger-than-life coach and see how the whole thing came together a period of decades after this legacy was built up to see if it could be sustained or whether it would be the sort of thing that would fade after decades.

After 154 straight wins heading into three straight national titles, the Beavers of CCNY are gunning for their 4th straight title and seventh title in ten years.

After three straight titles, head coach Freeman Young (Coach Free as he's known) bolted for Georgia State, offered a lucrative sum to turn the program which had become a powerhouse in the ACC into a championship winner.

After a year under former Young assistant Cornell Adcock during their last season as an independent before ascending to the all-Catholic Big East, the team languished and missed the NCAAs for the first time.

After one season, Adcock was fired and replaced with a player that consensus believed was "like a coach on the court." Connie Snell wasn't the best player on the Beavers, but he was a captain, one of them most vocal and a guy who the school believed that despite his age could continue to lead the program.

So at age 25, he was installed as the head coach and has led the program since 1991.

Now at age 31 and tied for the most titles by a coach in history with several others including his former head coach -- Freeman Young -- the two met in last year's national title game which went to CCNY.

In the 1997 Final Four, two Georgia schools are on opposite ends of the bracket. Georgia State will face off against 3rd seeded Fresno State in one semi-final, while three-time defending champ CCNY will take on UGA in the other semi, both of them #1 seeds.

CCNY hopes to complete their 4th straight undefeated season -- 163 wins in all.

My goal is for Connie Snell to become the John Wooden of his day. Revered as a young coach who manages to develop a dominant program over decades. From there, the story will just evolve and we'll see.
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:43 PM   #4
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Only one program in NCAA history boasts more national championships now than CCNY and Marquette with seven. The program with eight titles standing alone above the rest is Syracuse.

Today, Syracuse hired the three-time title winning head coach Connie Snell away from CCNY, believing him to be the savior of their basketball program.

People in NYC are devastated. Another coach wins multiple titles in what they believe is the "greatest college program of all-time" and he leaves for someplace else.

Snell's reasoning? "I just needed a change. I've been here since I was 17 and I grew up rooting for Syracuse. This isn't me deciding that I don't love what we did here. I'll always be a Beaver in my heart. To win four national champions as a coach and three as a player -- there are no words -- but I need to craft my own path and I feel like I can do that in Syracuse."

This leaves the entire athletic department scrambling to maintain their dominance into a second decade, maintaining a 163-game winning streak.

HOW do you hire for a job like that? Where do you begin replacing a legend who you assumed would remain forever?

To understand the cultural impact of CCNY, understand that the ethos of the program dates back to the first season. There's still an open tryout each year, where talented players are scouted. This keeps New York City kids who might get overlooked a chance to shine in the process. Walk-ons don't feature in most top programs, but the administration at CCNY have intentionally used their program to elevate the insitution once again into national and global prominence.

No one knows what to make of things going forward. But things will have to go forward somehow.

Today, we begin the work of the future of CCNY.
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:12 PM   #5
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Searching for their 4th coach in a decade, the perennial champs have a problem that few would mind having. How to maintain success in a competitive environment for another decade.

Here's the first ten years of D1 CCNY basketball

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CCNY TEAM PERFORMANCE Season Team W L CW CL Rank RPI PRS Result -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1996 CCNY 41 0 14 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion 1995 CCNY 42 0 14 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion 1994 CCNY 38 0 14 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion 1993 CCNY 42 0 14 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion 1992 CCNY 34 6 12 2 2 2 100 Loss in NCAA Championship Game 1991 CCNY 32 5 12 2 6 8 100 Loss in NCAA Sweet Sixteen 1990 CCNY 24 9 0 0 62 106 100 Loss in NIT Round 2 1989 CCNY 36 1 0 0 2 2 100 NCAA Champion 1988 CCNY 37 0 0 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion 1987 CCNY 37 0 0 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion

Our next job is to hire a coach who'll keep the job for a decade -- no matter what -- and see how he does. I won't provide any material advantages or support. I won't even be doing the scheduling. Just sim and save. That's it.

When has had unparalleled success, how can the game cope and handle that? What sort of decisions get made and what happens in the aftermath? Does the program retain it's legacy of excellence or does something else occur?
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Old 04-11-2011, 10:22 PM   #6
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A look at the leagues, Part One

It might be helpful to know how the conferences are setup currently, so you have a sense of how things look.

A few decades ago, I got the idea to merge some of the conferences from the present-day setup to create a few superconferences.

Some of those still exist, some don't. But the names you'll recognize have a few more members. Let's take a look at the top conferences and their memberships. The following are all 5-star prestige conferences:

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ACC Stats Leaders # Team Apps W L Pct Sweet 16 Elite 8 F4 Champs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Syracuse 86 205 78 .724 57 31 21 8 2 Cincinnati 80 150 78 .658 42 25 11 2 3 South Florida 70 115 69 .625 34 18 7 1 4 Georgia State 29 35 29 .547 8 4 2 0 5 Maryland 30 25 30 .455 6 1 1 0 6 Louisville 28 36 28 .563 8 5 2 0 7 Connecticut 27 31 27 .534 6 2 0 0 8 UCF 35 46 34 .575 10 4 2 1 9 Clemson 22 20 22 .476 5 0 0 0 10 Miami 21 9 21 .300 1 0 0 0 11 Boston College 25 20 25 .444 7 3 0 0 12 Virginia Tech 18 18 17 .514 3 2 2 1

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Big East Stats Leaders # Team Apps W L Pct Sweet 16 Elite 8 F4 Champs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Georgetown 91 203 86 .702 56 35 21 5 2 Marquette 86 190 79 .706 49 29 17 7 3 Providence 54 50 54 .481 12 3 2 0 4 Saint Joseph's 49 77 47 .621 20 12 7 2 5 DePaul 45 103 41 .715 24 16 12 4 6 St. John's 41 65 39 .625 16 8 3 2 7 Dayton 40 55 40 .579 14 9 3 0 8 Saint Louis 26 14 26 .350 2 0 0 0 9 Holy Cross 15 6 15 .286 1 0 0 0 10 Seton Hall 12 5 12 .294 0 0 0 0 11 Villanova 11 6 11 .353 0 0 0 0 12 Xavier 10 5 10 .333 1 0 0 0 13 CCNY 9 49 2 .961 9 8 8 7

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Big Ten Stats Leaders # Team Apps W L Pct Sweet 16 Elite 8 F4 Champs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Missouri 84 180 78 .698 47 30 19 6 2 Ohio State 66 96 64 .600 25 11 7 2 3 Minnesota 58 86 58 .597 24 11 5 0 4 Michigan State 55 96 51 .653 26 15 5 4 5 Penn State 44 52 44 .542 12 7 5 0 6 Northwestern 42 42 42 .500 9 4 0 0 7 Indiana 41 37 41 .474 7 3 0 0 8 Michigan 39 52 37 .584 10 6 4 2 9 Wisconsin 34 24 34 .414 7 3 0 0 10 Iowa State 28 25 28 .472 4 1 0 0 11 Illinois 23 20 23 .465 4 2 0 0 12 Pittsburgh 16 21 16 .568 4 3 1 0 13 Nebraska 13 7 13 .350 0 0 0 0 14 Purdue 11 5 11 .313 1 0 0 0 15 Iowa 10 6 10 .375 2 0 0 0 16 Notre Dame 8 3 8 .273 0 0 0 0

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Pac-16 Stats Leaders # Team Apps W L Pct Sweet 16 Elite 8 F4 Champs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Stanford 85 195 79 .712 54 31 18 6 2 Texas 82 166 80 .675 46 29 13 2 3 Southern California 62 94 61 .606 30 14 5 1 4 Washington State 53 62 53 .539 19 7 4 0 5 Arizona 49 80 49 .620 24 12 5 0 6 Texas A&M 48 62 47 .569 14 7 4 1 7 California 48 69 47 .595 16 9 4 1 8 Oregon 45 37 45 .451 9 1 0 0 9 Utah 42 52 41 .559 14 6 6 1 10 Oklahoma State 40 33 40 .452 7 0 0 0 11 Oklahoma 33 33 33 .500 8 4 2 0 12 Oregon State 28 32 27 .542 9 5 1 1 13 UCLA 24 28 24 .538 8 1 0 0 14 Arizona State 19 21 19 .525 5 2 1 0 15 Washington 15 11 15 .423 3 0 0 0 16 Colorado 4 8 3 .727 1 1 1 1
(That title Colorado won is still my title from Being The AD 2, btw.)

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SEC Stats Leaders # Team Apps W L Pct Sweet 16 Elite 8 F4 Champs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 North Carolina State 92 199 87 .696 51 31 20 5 2 Louisiana State 76 121 73 .624 29 14 10 3 3 Mississippi State 73 125 72 .635 34 22 10 1 4 Georgia 67 92 67 .579 24 12 7 0 5 Mississippi 63 77 62 .554 20 7 1 1 6 Auburn 63 90 61 .596 24 13 8 2 7 Tennessee 61 66 61 .520 12 8 2 0 8 South Carolina 55 92 54 .630 25 17 8 1 9 Florida State 45 63 45 .583 16 9 3 0 10 Kentucky 42 61 41 .598 13 10 6 1 11 Arkansas 23 16 23 .410 2 0 0 0 12 Alabama 14 15 14 .517 2 2 2 0 13 West Virginia 11 10 11 .476 3 1 0 0 14 Florida 7 5 7 .417 1 0 0 0
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Western Stats Leaders # Team Apps W L Pct Sweet 16 Elite 8 F4 Champs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Nevada 71 120 71 .628 35 16 9 0 2 Air Force 61 98 58 .628 28 11 7 3 3 Colorado State 56 63 55 .534 12 6 2 1 4 San Diego State 51 40 51 .440 10 5 1 0 5 Kansas 43 57 43 .570 15 6 4 0 6 San Jose State 40 34 40 .459 6 3 1 0 7 Boise State 35 34 35 .493 7 5 0 0 8 Fresno State 25 27 25 .519 5 3 2 0 9 Wyoming 23 18 23 .439 5 1 0 0 10 Kansas State 21 27 21 .563 8 4 1 0 11 New Mexico 16 16 16 .500 5 1 0 0 12 Texas Tech 10 3 10 .231 0 0 0 0 13 UNLV 4 2 4 .333 0 0 0 0

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Old 04-11-2011, 10:37 PM   #7
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A Look At The Leagues, Part Two

Here are some of the histories of the other leagues either custom, created or just plain interesting.

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Magnolia Stats Leaders # Team Apps W L Pct Sweet 16 Elite 8 F4 Champs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Virginia 87 186 82 .694 49 30 16 5 2 Baylor 80 135 78 .634 36 22 9 2 3 Wake Forest 67 95 66 .590 27 11 3 1 4 North Carolina 54 67 54 .554 19 7 3 0 5 Rice 51 46 50 .479 11 3 2 1 6 Georgia Tech 33 27 33 .450 5 3 0 0 7 Duke 27 26 27 .491 5 2 1 0 8 Tulsa 27 18 27 .400 1 1 1 0 9 Texas Christian 23 26 23 .531 9 3 0 0 10 Vanderbilt 20 19 20 .487 4 2 2 0 11 Southern Methodist 13 6 13 .316 2 0 0 0 12 Tulane 10 5 10 .333 1 0 0 0

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UAA Stats Leaders # Team Apps W L Pct Sweet 16 Elite 8 F4 Champs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Chicago 6 1 6 .143 0 0 0 0 2 Colorado College 5 2 5 .286 1 0 0 0 3 Brandeis 4 1 4 .200 0 0 0 0 4 Washington U 1 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 5 NYU 1 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 6 Grinnell 1 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 7 Carnegie Mellon 1 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 8 Rochester 1 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 9 Case Western Reserve 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 10 Emory 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0

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PCC Stats Leaders # Team Apps W L Pct Sweet 16 Elite 8 F4 Champs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Alaska-Fairbanks 10 1 10 .091 0 0 0 0 2 Alaska-Anchorage 10 0 10 .000 0 0 0 0 3 Utah-St. George 2 0 2 .000 0 0 0 0 4 British Columbia 1 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 5 Notre Dame de Namur 1 1 1 .500 0 0 0 0 6 Chaminade 1 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 7 Seattle 1 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 8 Simon Fraser 1 0 1 .000 0 0 0 0 9 Central Washington 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 10 Lombard 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 11 Western Oregon 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 12 Bennett 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 13 Colorado State-Pueblo 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 14 Southwestern 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0

Other programs I've added or moved to strange places:

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UConn-Waterbury (America East)
Johns Hopkins (Atlantic 10)
Denver State (Big Sky)
Northern Kentucky (Big South)
Cal State Monterey Bay (Big West)
Cal Tech (Big West)
Missouri-St. Louis (Conference USA)
Rutgers (Ivy)
Minnesota-Duluth (Missouri Valley)
Coast Guard (Patriot)
Kenyon (Southern)
Alabama-Huntsville (Southern)
DePauw (Southern)
Midwestern State (Southland)
Minnesota-Mankato (Summit)
Roosevelt (Summit)
Nebraska-Omaha (Summit)
North Alabama (Sun Belt)
Grand Canyon (West Coast)
Colorado Christian (West Coast)
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Old 04-12-2011, 12:13 AM   #8
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The Four (Season One): Following recruits through their college search



Root Sports teamed up with SB Nation to come up with a feature called The Four, a documentary series where we'll follow four recruits through their college search and see where they ultimately land.

We'll get to hear from the athletes themselves about their search, what they're looking for and ultimately, check in with them on signing day to see where their search will end.

Stay tuned for this feature, coming soon in the dynasty.

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Old 04-12-2011, 12:17 AM   #9
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Leading The Beavers: CCNY needs a new coach, you'll choose



The coaching search at the City College of New York has been narrowed down to four finalists. Rather than do the selecting myself, you the fan will be charged with chiming in to make the decision. I won't be moving forward until we figure out who will have the job, as we've discussed before he's going to have to keep the job for a decade no matter what happens -- no matter how good or bad he is -- and so, the pick will be a critical one.

It would be too easy to just show you ratings. So instead, we're going to introduce the candidates as if it were a real job interview. I'll present each one for you with a small capsule on each. Then you can post and make your points about what you think regarding the candidate you like best.

Think of yourself as a member of the selection committee to hire a coach to sustain the program. Each coach will be posted separately, sort of on purpose like a real job interview. Feel free to chime in whenever, ask questions and so forth.
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Old 04-12-2011, 12:25 AM   #10
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Candidate #1: Dennis Simmons, Head Coach (Fresno State)



Coach Dennis Simmons is 48 years old. CCNY knows him pretty well, because his team lost to the Beavers in this past season's national championship game. After his run this past year, he's become the winningest coach in Bulldogs history. The fans love him and this past year, he logged his best recruit class ever -- ranked #15th in the nation and tops in the Western League.

During his interview, he stressed his commitment to both sides of the ball. He said that his priority was teaching the Xs and Os and that while he enjoyed meeting players and going on the road, that his passion was for being on the sidelines in the "heat of battle." He's an older, experienced coach which the administration believes would serve the program well after hiring two young guys. Here's his coaching history. His career record so far is 245-117.

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Coaching History: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Team Position W L CW CL Postseason -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1996 Fresno State Head Coach 32 8 14 2 Loss in NCAA Championship Game 1995 Fresno State Head Coach 26 9 11 5 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 2 1994 Fresno State Head Coach 26 8 13 3 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 2 1993 Fresno State Head Coach 20 11 10 6 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 1 1992 Fresno State Head Coach 25 8 12 4 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 2 1991 Fresno State Head Coach 19 13 9 7 Loss in NIT Round 1 1990 San Francisco Head Coach 16 15 7 7 No Postseason 1989 San Francisco Head Coach 19 13 8 6 Loss in NCT Round 1 1988 San Francisco Head Coach 14 15 8 6 No Postseason 1987 San Francisco Head Coach 23 9 10 4 NCAA Tournament Play-in Game 1986 San Francisco Head Coach 25 8 16 4 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 2 1985 California Assistant 29 9 11 4 Loss in NCAA Elite Eight 1984 California Assistant 33 6 12 3 Loss in NCAA Championship Game 1983 California Assistant 20 15 5 10 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 2 Awards & Achievements: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Award -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1996 Conference Coach of the Year (Western League) 1996 Western League Champion 1986 West Coast Conference Champion Job Movement: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Move -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1991 Hired by Fresno State (Head Coach) 1991 Quit job with San Francisco to pursue a higher position 1986 Hired by San Francisco (Head Coach) 1986 Quit job with Syracuse to pursue a higher position 1986 Moved with head coach from California to Syracuse 1983 Hired by California (Assistant Coach)

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Old 04-12-2011, 12:35 AM   #11
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Coaching Candidate #2: Seth Gilroy, Associate Head Coach CCNY



Seth Gilroy is 42 years old and has been with the CCNY program for two years now after starting his career as a coach in Nebraska. The Big Ten washout is no real problem for us, because the committee believes that continuity is king and that having been around our players, that Gilroy can provide them with the structure that's defined CCNY basketball.

As the program's lead scout the past two years, he feels equipped to handle the rough and tumble of the Big East and feels he understands the strengths and weaknesses of our players and thinks he's apt to deal with those challenges and use those to build a offensive and defensive scheme that works to fit the program.

He doesn't believe the win streak is a concern and has said that he sees the legacy the school has built up over the past decade as a boon, not something to be afraid of.

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Coaching History: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Team Position W L CW CL Postseason -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1996 CCNY Assistant 41 0 14 0 NCAA Champion 1995 CCNY Assistant 42 0 14 0 NCAA Champion 1994 Nebraska Head Coach 8 23 5 10 No Postseason 1993 Nebraska Head Coach 10 19 5 10 No Postseason 1992 Nebraska Head Coach 11 19 6 9 No Postseason 1991 Nebraska Head Coach 19 13 8 7 Loss in NIT Round 2 Awards & Achievements: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Award -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No awards won. Job Movement: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Move -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1995 Hired by CCNY (Lead Scout) 1995 Fired by Nebraska 1991 Hired by Nebraska (Head Coach) 1991 Quit job with Oregon 1991 Hired by Oregon (Head Coach) 1991 Quit job with Nebraska 1991 Hired by Nebraska (Head Coach)
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Coaching Candidate #3: Eliseo Pendley (Assistant Coach, Syracuse)



Coach Eliseo Pendley is currently an assistant on the staff at Syracuse. It seems ironic that we interviewed a Syracuse coach after they stole ours. But he says he applied the day he heard that Coach Snell would b leaving, because "even though he's light on experience, he feels that he's ready for a jump of this magnitude."

In his interview, he said that going from a Pac-16 program to the ACC, he's experienced the "fire" of major college basketball and that "I've had opportunities before at smaller schools. But I feel you get more from being an assistant at a major program where excellence is expected than going someplace where an NCAA bid would be a treat."

He came highly recommended by departed Coach Connie Snell, giving him the ultimate complement, "He reminds me of me. I hope you don't hire him, so I can work with him myself."

Pendley told us that he saw himself as a teacher, the sort of guy who could relate to players and maximize their potential on the court and that despite his age that he believed he was far along comparatively and that he sees the CCNY as a "dream job" and that it would be amazing to be able to someday say he was the Bernard Kratz of CCNY. Bernard Kratz is 3rd all-time in wins (1071) and won three titles at Ohio State (2) and Syracuse (1) during the 1920s and 30s.

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Coaching History: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Team Position W L CW CL Postseason -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1996 Syracuse Assistant 21 11 10 6 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 2 1995 Syracuse Assistant 29 5 14 2 Loss in NCAA Sweet Sixteen 1994 Oklahoma State Assistant 20 14 9 6 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 2 Awards & Achievements: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Award -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No awards won. Job Movement: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Move -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1995 Hired by Syracuse (Assistant Coach) 1995 Fired by Oklahoma State 1994 Hired by Oklahoma State (Assistant Coach)
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Coaching Candidate #4: Andrew Draper (Head Coach, Marquette)



Our fourth and final candidate is Marquette Head Coach Andrew Draper. No stranger to Big East basketball fans, he took over the program there in 1990 after two years in the Big Ten at Ohio State and within three years had the Golden Eagles celebrating their 7th national championship in school history -- the first since 1965 -- making him an instant legend on campus.

During his interview, he told the committee that his interest in this job was about "new challenges" and "finding the opportunity on the biggest stage to do great things." Known as a tenacious recruiter during his assistant coach days, he says that right now he sees himself as a guy who can "lead by example."

He wouldn't consider this job unless it was "a destination to be his last" and it "the first and only job he's interviewed for since coming to Marquette and he thought that Coach Snell -- whom he considers a friend -- was "making a huge mistake leaving a place like [CCNY] where you could win titles forever."

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Coaching History: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Team Position W L CW CL Postseason -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1996 Marquette Head Coach 22 12 8 6 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 2 1995 Marquette Head Coach 21 15 9 5 Loss in NIT Round 2 1994 Marquette Head Coach 21 12 9 5 Loss in NIT Round 1 1993 Marquette Head Coach 27 11 8 6 Loss in NCAA Final Four 1992 Marquette Head Coach 31 8 8 6 NCAA Champion 1991 Marquette Head Coach 16 15 7 7 Loss in CCS Round 1 1990 Marquette Head Coach 16 15 4 7 Loss in CCS Round 2 1989 Ohio State Head Coach 26 9 13 2 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 2 1988 Ohio State Head Coach 25 10 8 7 Loss in NCAA Elite Eight 1987 Holy Cross Assistant 22 10 8 3 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 1 1986 Wisconsin Assistant 27 8 15 5 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 2 1985 Wisconsin Assistant 20 15 9 6 Loss in NIT Round 3 Awards & Achievements: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Award -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1992 NCAA Champion 1989 Conference Coach of the Year (Big Ten Conference) 1989 Big Ten Conference Champion Job Movement: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Move -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1990 Hired by Marquette (Head Coach) 1990 Quit job with Ohio State to pursue a higher position 1988 Hired by Ohio State (Head Coach) 1988 Quit job with Holy Cross to pursue a higher position 1987 Moved with head coach from Wisconsin to Holy Cross 1985 Hired by Wisconsin (Recruiting Coordinator)

Coach Draper is the final of our four candidates to interview. Having evaluated all of their credentials, do you see a guy who you favor most? I think each has their own unique advantages and disadvantages in this role and not one of them in my mind seems to be the definitive favorite.

Your thoughts?
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Old 04-12-2011, 07:41 AM   #14
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"FOFC Sports News, this is Giacomo Portiere, here with Dick Vitel. We're here to discuss the finalists for the CCNY coaching job. And I really think there are only two real canidates."

"That's clear, 'Jack.' Eliseo Pendley? Give me a break, baby. Three years as a major college assistant and he wants one of the best jobs in the country. I just want to know what idiot made him a finalist, so I know who got paid off."

"And similarily, I don't think that Seth Gilroy is the man. sucks at Nebraska, so you give him the reigns at CCNY? Do you want more NIT apperences?!" No, the choices is between Andrew Draper and Dennis Simmons.

"Got to be Simmons, Baby! Draper only won with other people's players. Simmons can build, too. And he'll need to, without all that dirty NY crime money...."

(this program has been interrupted for a commercial break...)
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Simmons, all the way. Although I'm curious to know the history of his recruiting classes...
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:27 PM   #16
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Simmons, all the way. Although I'm curious to know the history of his recruiting classes...

FRESNO STATE
1991 - 35
1992 - 36
1993 - 267
1994 - 62
1995 - 36
1996 - 15

SAN FRANCISCO
1990 - 162
1989 - 230
1988 - 52
1987 - 80
1986 - 129
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Four top-35 classes in 6 years assuages any concern I had. He's your man.
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Old 04-12-2011, 04:33 PM   #18
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Multiple sources confirmed to me Sunday evening that University of California basketball coach Roy Wesley is in negotiations with the City College of New York to become its next basketball coach.




According to CCNY athletic and administration sources, Wesley met today with school Athletic Director D.C. Harris in Philadelphia. Following the meeting, negotiations commenced between the two parties for the CCNY basketball coaching job.

The 36-year old Wesley is 130-96 in seven years, four at Pepperdine before joining his alma mater three seasons ago in 1994. He took the Golden Bears to the NCAA tournament last year, but missed out this year after a 15-16 year. He's 20-24 in Pac-16 Conference play.

CCNY board members reportedly "love" Wesley's academic credentials and has been supported by faculty members of the selection committee, who have eschewed presumptive favorites Dennis Simmons of Fresno State and another "major Big East conference coach" who has yet to be named.

No word yet on when a formal announcement will be made, but my money is on Wesley. Boosters are apparently "livid" at the choice and have vowed to withdraw financial support. These are the same boosters which have propelled the Beavers into the Yankees of college basketball.

It seems they've been outvoted by the academic powers and the days of CCNY power basketball might be coming to an end. Or are they? Hard to say, but my sources tell me this is a done deal.

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According to unnamed sources at the City College of New York have announced that they selected a head coach and will make a formal announcement of the candidate in a press conference tonight.

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An athletic department source at the University of California confirmed to me this afternoon that Roy Wesley has informed Cal Athletic Director Anne Schmidt that he is departing the school for CCNY.

The agent for Wesley, Scooter Johnson commented today on WCBS 880 in New York today about negotiations between his client and the school amidst rumors that CCNY was interested in acquiring Wesley's services and exactly how it came about that he'd end up there when no one knew anything about it prior and he hadn't be reportedly one of the finalist candidates.

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“We’ve been in discussions with them for several weeks now. Those are ongoing discussions. Nothing is imminent this second so I can’t really speak to it.

“There should be some resolution to that in the next few days.”

Johnson did not mention CCNY in his comments.

Last week, I reported "A head coach at a major program told me he was told by a coach CCNY had contacted about the job that Dennis Simmons will not be offered the job.” That led to the speculation that there was another candidate.

Breaking news: My sources report that CCNY will announce their coach tonight and that Wesley is in the NYC area and flew into Newark Liberty last night.

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Portiere: I'll come with the tomatoes if they hire Roy Wesley

Giacomo Portiere, a leading sports journalist for the New York Tempo, called rumored CCNY hire Roy Wesley "a clockwork orange kind of choice, in the sense that it will terrorize our fans." Portiere promised spirited criticism if the move goes through. "Let's face it, this is a city school that belongs to all New Yorkers. Heiring a Cal egghead is nothing more than sticking it to all of the CCNY fans who ride in from Bed-Sty and the Bronx. I'll come with the tomatoes myself if they hire Wesley! Pick a winner or go home."
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CCNY NAMES DENNIS SIMMONS AS NEW HEAD COACH



NEW YORK -- In a search that often seemed more clandestine than the search for a new Pope, the City College of New York athletic director D.C. Harris appeared with a smile on his face and happily uttered the words, "we found the right guy."

Dennis Simmons, head coach of the national finalist Fresno State was hotly pursed by the Beavers, but when the 11th hour struck there were some doubts about whether he'd been offered the job or if Marquette head man Frank Draper had been given the nod.

"We had a really, really excellent search committee and great guys who I must commend for their attention to detail and the opportunity to interview them for this position. We didn't expect to be in this position, but we were and we felt it was critical to find a guy and find him soon. In the end, everyone felt the same and believed that Coach Simmons was the guy."

For his part, Simmons appeared weary but excited. "Look now, I left a hell of a program in Fresno. This wasn't an easy choice. Part of me felt like I was going to join the enemy and I had half a mind to hang up and tell them I'd see them next year in the final again and this time we'd win," he said alluding to his team's defeat at the hands of the Beavers who won their 163rd straight game en route to the 4th straight national championship and seventh in ten years, 91-81.

"But A.D. Harris was a convincing guy. He told me their vision and when I heard it, it made me think. Plus, what you all don't know is my daddy is a CCNY alumnus. First in our family to go to college. Met my mom here in New York City and they got married at City Hall. They moved to California before I was born. But in a way, this is a homecoming for me. He'd be really proud if he were alive right now.

Asked whether he was daunted by the win streak, the title streak and the expectations that had risen to deafening levels, he laughed. "Look, this is New York. People expect a winner. Period. The fans locally have embraced this squad and I'm hoping to find a way for them to embrace me. But when the two guys before you collected three rings apiece before skipping town; that's a hell of an act to follow."

So with that, the search ended. One of the final questions for D.C. Harris was whether internet reports via the web site "The Source" and via Twitter that erroneously reported that California coach Roy Wesley would be given the job. He laughed and said, "all I can tell you is that you can't believe everything you read. We've got our guy and we're really happy with how it all worked out for us. But out of respect for Coach Wesley -- who I don't even know -- we never talked to him and he never interviewed for this position.

It was later reported that Ron Wesley had left Cal for the head coaching position at the University of Miami.
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Draper. Simmons strikes me a bit too much as a Beach type who can coach but can't recruit very well.

For what it's worth, my vote was for Draper too. But the boosters were in my ear hard for Simmons. Draper winning a title on his own was compelling to me and he's a guy I don't think that would've left us. But...in the end, Simmons seemed to have the committee consensus and the boosters wanted him here; they thought he was a "New York" kind of coach.

I guess time will tell.

Thanks to you all for chiming in. In the interest of fun, here are the ratings of the four candidates:
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Draper: 99/11/76/74
Pendley: 13/17/85/85
Gilroy: 59/100/64/77

(And our wild card Wesley: 95/7/100/38)

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Season 11: A new era at CCNY

Can you imagine the expectations in New York City right now? With CCNY riding 163-game win streak and gunning for their 5th straight national title, the team heads into a new year with a new coach. The rosters boasts only two guys who've ever started a game for the club, though it's experience laden with three seniors and six juniors.

Meanwhile, two coaches from our search have new jobs. Seth Gilroy left CCNY to take over the program at Baylor. Marquette head coach Andrew Draper will be taking over for Dennis Simmons at Fresno State. So we might be seeing him sooner or later.

We're going to dive right into this season, as I'm curious to see how his first year goes.


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#1 CCNY BEAVERS Career Averages Player Pos GP GS Min Pts Orb Reb Ast Stl Blk To Fls +/- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dino Wacker C 106 1 11.7 3.7 0.7 2.2 0.4 0.2 1.3 0.7 0.8 8.3 Eli Hill SF 83 0 9.9 3.2 0.7 1.4 0.6 0.8 0.5 0.3 0.9 3.8 Jamie Thompson PF 42 0 10.8 3.5 0.9 2.5 0.6 0.1 1.2 0.7 0.6 5.8 Vicente Eberle SF 41 0 23.2 11.1 1.3 3.8 1.0 2.0 1.0 1.3 2.4 14.0 Charles Rubenstein PF 41 40 17.7 4.7 1.2 3.6 1.7 0.5 1.6 0.7 1.6 14.3 Darryl Prewitt C 22 0 1.9 0.2 0.1 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.8 Dante Love SF 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Rey Arnold SG 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Danilo Eastman PF 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Gordon Jack PG 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 John Martinez PG 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Jorge Harrison PG 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

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#1 CCNY BEAVERS General Player # Pos Yr Ht Wt Sch Acd Status Hometown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dino Wacker 11 C Sr 6-9 268 Yes 46 OK Fontana, CA Vicente Eberle 5 SF Sr 6-7 242 Yes 34 OK San Diego, CA Charles Rubenstein 20 PF Sr 6-7 228 Yes 27 OK Shrub Oak, NY Jamie Thompson 4 PF Jr 6-6 212 Yes 99 OK Edgewood, MD Eli Hill 44 SF Jr 6-4 217 No 63 OK West Nyack, NY Darryl Prewitt 31 C Jr 6-7 232 Yes 91 OK Camdenton, MO Dante Love 55 SF Jr 6-5 208 Yes 28 OK Plantation, FL Rey Arnold 35 SG Jr 6-0 172 Yes 31 OK Westville, IN Danilo Eastman 15 PF Jr 7-0 319 Yes 43 OK Hopkins, MI Gordon Jack 23 PG Fr 5-11 170 Yes 36 OK Fremantle, Australia John Martinez 14 PG Fr 6-7 209 Yes 49 OK Plainwell, MI Jorge Harrison 32 PG Fr 6-0 180 Yes 35 OK French Lick, IN
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THE STREAK IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE STREAK

After going 5-0 to start the year, CCNY extended its winning streak to 168 games. And then, just like that, it was over. In a pedestrian matchup against Appalachian State, the Beavers were actually blown out by 20.

Suffice to say, this led the NY Post to call for the firing of Dennis Simmons. Cooler heads have prevailed.

For now.

I GUESS YOU DON'T GO DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT

Ok, so the Beavers lost three games this year. But before you freak out, Dennis Simmons says, he reminds people that this club is battletested. "You think they haven't gone through stuff? These guys are bulletproof. What matters happens now, but what really happens matters in March and April and we'll be there."

After knocking off #1 Marquette to end the regular season, maybe the joke is on all of the critics.

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#2 CCNY BEAVERS Schedule Date Opponent Record RPI Result Score Record -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11/13/97 vs. Rhode Island 19-9 36 W 76-58 1-0 11/15/97 vs. Houston 21-8 38 W 62-53 2-0 11/19/97 vs. Grambling State 21-9 46 W 88-59 3-0 11/21/97 vs. #11 VCU 27-7 8 W 76-60 4-0 11/23/97 at Delaware State 5-24 359 W 62-55 5-0 11/25/97 Appalachian State 22-9 54 L 63-43 5-1 11/30/97 American 20-10 117 W 79-66 6-1 12/03/97 at Florida International 17-12 288 W 66-57 7-1 12/06/97 Akron 16-12 146 W 93-48 8-1 12/08/97 at Bennett 9-21 339 W 73-62 9-1 12/13/97 Davidson 13-18 193 W 96-47 10-1 12/15/97 at St. Francis (NY) 15-15 273 W 78-55 11-1 12/18/97 Colorado 13-17 121 W 65-49 12-1 12/20/97 Duquesne 12-17 243 W 62-58 13-1 12/23/97 Alabama State 7-23 341 W 79-76 14-1 12/26/97 Albany 6-22 267 W 58-54 15-1 01/01/98 Buffalo 7-22 331 W 104-38 16-1 01/05/98 at Rutgers 12-16 236 W 79-43 17-1 01/07/98 at Wagner 16-13 167 W 84-49 18-1 01/09/98 at Columbia 4-26 338 W 78-60 19-1 01/14/98 at Saint Joseph's 19-11 17 W 74-69 20-1 (1-0) 01/17/98 Villanova 16-17 92 W 68-59 21-1 (2-0) 01/21/98 at Dayton 19-10 18 W 65-64 22-1 (3-0) 01/28/98 St. John's 16-15 229 W 83-64 23-1 (4-0) 01/31/98 Seton Hall 16-15 128 W 52-43 24-1 (5-0) 02/07/98 Providence 21-8 32 W 71-64 25-1 (6-0) 02/11/98 at #13 DePaul 24-7 11 L 85-74 25-2 (6-1) 02/14/98 at Saint Louis 19-11 68 L 67-60 25-3 (6-2) 02/18/98 Saint Joseph's 19-11 17 W 73-50 26-3 (7-2) 02/21/98 Dayton 19-10 18 W 72-62 27-3 (8-2) 02/25/98 at Xavier 8-20 156 W 54-46 28-3 (9-2) 02/28/98 Georgetown 20-9 23 W 54-50 29-3 (10-2) 03/04/98 at Holy Cross 16-14 57 W 83-53 30-3 (11-2) 03/07/98 at #1 Marquette 28-3 1 W 77-75 31-3 (12-2)


Marquette got revenge in the Big East tournament final, winning 63-46.

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Old 04-13-2011, 01:53 AM   #27
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1988 NCAA Tournament

I won't be recapping every season like this, but I did want to review it because it's so critical after the coach left that I wanted to reflect on it.

#1 Seeds

CCNY (East)
Colorado State (West)
Marquette (Midwest)
Louisville (Sout)

SECOND ROUND
CCNY 93, #16 Central Arkansas 65

THIRD ROUND
CCNY 75, #8 California 62

SWEET SIXTEEN
#5 Boston College 58, CCNY 44

Now that we're done with that, you should name the coach that was on our list who actually made it further in the tournament with CCNY this year.

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FINAL FOUR
2 UCLA v. 1 Louisville 69-62
7 Charleston v. 5 Boston College 60-49

NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
UCLA def. Boston College 86-78

UCLA wins their FIRST national championship.

We'll be back in nine years, to see how Coach Simmons managed to do.

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Old 04-14-2011, 12:39 AM   #28
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CCNY TEAM PERFORMANCE Season Team W L CW CL Rank RPI PRS Result -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2001 CCNY 34 7 9 5 2 2 100 Loss in NCAA Championship Game 2000 CCNY 33 7 9 5 2 7 100 NCAA Champion 1999 CCNY 28 9 11 3 12 13 100 Loss in NCAA Final Four 1998 CCNY 31 6 11 3 13 12 100 Loss in NCAA Sweet Sixteen 1997 CCNY 35 5 12 2 4 3 100 Loss in NCAA Sweet Sixteen 1996 CCNY 41 0 14 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion 1995 CCNY 42 0 14 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion 1994 CCNY 38 0 14 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion 1993 CCNY 42 0 14 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion 1992 CCNY 34 6 12 2 2 2 100 Loss in NCAA Championship Game 1991 CCNY 32 5 12 2 6 8 100 Loss in NCAA Sweet Sixteen 1990 CCNY 24 9 0 0 62 106 100 Loss in NIT Round 2 1989 CCNY 36 1 0 0 2 2 100 NCAA Champion 1988 CCNY 37 0 0 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion 1987 CCNY 37 0 0 0 1 1 100 NCAA Champion

Here's the status update five years into the Simmons era (aka, click and sim)
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Old 04-14-2011, 03:11 PM   #29
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10-year review: CCNY in the Simmons Era

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CCNY TEAM PERFORMANCE Season Team W L CW CL Rank RPI PRS Result -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2006 CCNY 27 9 10 4 18 20 100 Loss in NCAA Tourney Round 2 2005 CCNY 30 7 9 5 5 2 100 Loss in NCAA Elite Eight 2004 CCNY 30 7 10 4 1 2 100 Loss in NCAA Sweet Sixteen 2003 CCNY 28 9 11 3 5 4 100 Loss in NCAA Elite Eight 2002 CCNY 27 12 7 7 13 16 100 Loss in NCAA Elite Eight 2001 CCNY 34 7 9 5 2 2 100 Loss in NCAA Championship Game 2000 CCNY 33 7 9 5 2 7 100 NCAA Champion 1999 CCNY 28 9 11 3 12 13 100 Loss in NCAA Final Four 1998 CCNY 31 6 11 3 13 12 100 Loss in NCAA Sweet Sixteen 1997 CCNY 35 5 12 2 4 3 100 Loss in NCAA Sweet Sixteen

Has he been a success? Or a letdown? Ten years is a long time by any estimation, but he has managed a title during that time, too. There is some buzz that it might be time for a "different voice" to lead the squad at CCNY.
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We still are looking at a 100 prestige program that consistently gets to the point in the tournament where things become fairly random. No reason to can him, in my eyes.
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The Four: Season One



Welcome to Season One of "The Four" where we take a look at four prized recruits from around the country and follow their path to college basketball superstardom.

In this series, we'll follow the recruits and hear their stories as they make their decisions and then end up there on Signing Day when they decide what they're going to do.

Here are The Four:

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#42 PF Andrew Higbee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Height: 6-8 Weight: 242 High School: Brown High School Hometown: Louisville, KY GPA: 2.79 Test Score: 1170 Rating: ***** Rankings: #14 Overall, #3 PF, Southeast Region #5 Overall, Southeast Region #1 PF High School Awards: All-State, Mr. Basketball (Kentucky), All American Top 5 Schools: Louisville, Georgia State, Dayton, *UCF, Tennessee

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#2 PG Domenic Ahn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Height: 6-0 Weight: 185 High School: Garden City High School Hometown: Garden City, NY GPA: 2.71 Test Score: 1060 Rating: ***** Rankings: #15 Overall, #5 PG, East Region #3 Overall, East Region #2 PG High School Awards: None Top 5 Schools: Saint Joseph's, Old Dominion, Northwestern, Drexel, Georgia

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#50 C Michael Croteau -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Height: 6-8 Weight: 222 High School: Piscataway Township High School Hometown: Piscataway, NJ GPA: 2.85 Test Score: 1260 Rating: * Season Stats: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PTS OREB REB AST TOS A/T STL BLK PFS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8.8 1.4 6.3 1.0 3.4 0.28 1.9 1.2 2.9 Shooting Averages: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FGM FGA FG% FTM FTA FT% 3PM 3PA 3P% -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4.1 7.4 .558 0.6 2.1 .286 0.0 0.0 .000 Rankings: None High School Awards: None Top 5 Schools:

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#52 PF Milton Mock -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Height: 6-9 Weight: 241 High School: Hamlin High School Hometown: Hamlin, TX GPA: 2.92 Test Score: 1170 Rating: ***** Rankings: #7 Overall, #1 PF, Midwest Region #3 Overall, Midwest Region #1 PF High School Awards: None Top 5 Schools: *South Florida, *Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arizona, Georgia State
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The Four: Episode One

Andrew Higbee

I had a lot of people in my ear about where I should go play. I mean, it's hard making a decision about something as difficult as college and where you are gonna be. I want to be in a place where I can get better though and improve my game and get ready for the league hopefully. For me, it was all about being someplace I was comfortable and felt welcomed.

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Dominic Ahn
It's kinda crazy being all inerested in schools and stuff. People didn't really start looking at my game until I was a junior. Now, I've got all of these really good basketball schools interested in me. My dad wants me to stay close to home and go to CCNY. My mom wants me to go to Northwestern. I like Drexel and St. Joe's 'cause they're close to home but not right in the city you know?

I haven't decided yet. I'm just gonna keep listening and do my senior year and I'm sure I'll figure it out.


Milton Mock
This whole thing went real fast. I don't even know what to think. A lot of schools told me a lot of things, though. I'm not sure. I couldda gone to Arizona or Stanford out in California. That was a crazzzy visit. Georgia State was dope too. Then I talked to South Florida. I didn't even know where that was until I went to the campus. But they treated me real different than the other schools. I don't even know how to put it, I just know it made me feel the most comfortable of any of the others.

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Michael Croteau
Basketball is my first love. I picked it up late though, because I didn't even make varsity until last year. So schools aren't really calling me like that. I have a few opportunities to walk-on at some places, but I've been making some videos on YouTube and stuff with my friends to hopefully get some schools interested in me. I don't really know what to think. I know I'm better than D3, but a lot of local D3s are calling me up. I don't want to stay around here, though. I know that much.

Worst case, I'll get an academic scholarship and try to walk-on at a school. I'm not sure what I'll do yet. But I'll let you guys know. Thanks for reading.

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I'm going to CCNY. My mom decided for me, she doesn't know they are really good at basketball, she just wanted me close to home.

Michael Crouteau
I GOT AN OFFER!!!!!!! Carlisle College in Pennsylvania offered me a SCHOLARSHIP. I'm so pumped and I can't wait to get to camp.
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Last three seasons (2007-09)

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CCNY TEAM PERFORMANCE Season Team W L CW CL Rank RPI PRS Result -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2009 CCNY 29 9 9 5 11 7 100 Loss in NCAA Sweet Sixteen 2008 CCNY 33 9 10 4 2 1 100 NCAA Champion 2007 CCNY 35 3 13 1 1 2 99 Loss in NCAA Elite Eight

61-year old Coach Dennis Simmons is 36th on the all-time coach wins list with 645 going into this season.
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Checking in our 4 recruits three years later

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PLAYER DETAILS #30 PF Andrew Higbee - Louisville - Junior -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Height: 6-8 Weight: 254 High School: Brown High School Hometown: Louisville, KY Attributes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Type INS JPS FTS 3PS HND PAS ORB DRB PSD PRD STL BLK QKN STR JMP STA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current: 23 14 53 26 27 48 42 33 100 26 17 14 47 81 86 83 2009: 20 13 49 24 25 42 37 30 90 25 16 13 46 78 85 78 2008: 17 12 45 23 23 37 32 28 81 24 15 12 46 75 84 72 2007: 15 10 41 21 21 33 26 26 73 22 15 10 44 67 82 58 Potential: D F B D C B C C A D D F Health: Good Scholarship: Yes Status: Active Roster Academics: 69 Stat Averages: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season G GS MIN PTS ORE REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 33 0 16.0 3.7 1.0 3.4 0.8 0.7 1.18 0.4 0.2 1.5 2009 37 0 17.7 5.4 1.9 4.2 0.9 0.8 1.21 0.6 0.1 1.6 2010 29 29 32.9 8.5 3.4 8.0 1.8 1.7 1.06 0.7 0.1 2.5 Career 99 29 21.6 5.7 2.1 5.0 1.1 1.0 1.06 0.6 0.1 1.8 Shooting Averages: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season FGM FGA FG% FTM FTA FT% 3PM 3PA 3P% PPS +/- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 1.3 3.2 .413 0.8 1.3 .643 0.2 0.8 .320 1.16 -0.06 2009 2.1 4.4 .488 0.9 1.2 .727 0.2 0.9 .229 1.22 2.51 2010 3.4 6.9 .490 1.5 2.0 .729 0.3 1.4 .195 1.24 4.62 Career 2.2 4.7 .472 1.0 1.5 .703 0.2 1.0 .238 1.21 2.27 Stat Totals: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season G GS MIN PTS OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 33 0 528 121 34 113 26 22 14 5 49 2009 37 0 656 198 71 154 34 28 23 3 59 2010 29 29 953 247 99 232 52 49 20 4 72 Career 99 29 2137 566 204 499 112 99 57 12 180 Shooting Totals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season FGM FGA FTM FTA 3PM 3PA +/- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 43 104 27 42 8 25 -2 2009 79 162 32 44 8 35 93 2010 98 200 43 59 8 41 134 Career 220 466 102 145 24 101 225 Career Highs: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Type Pts OReb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO FGM FGA FTM FTA 3PM 3PA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season 19 8 13 7 2 1 5 8 12 4 6 2 5 Career 19 8 13 7 2 2 5 8 12 6 7 2 5 Awards & Acheivements: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Award -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All Player of the Game: 6 2007 High School: Rated ***** and #14 overall by the FBCB scouting service. 2007 High School: All-State (Kentucky) 2007 High School: Mr. Basketball (Kentucky) 2007 High School: All-American

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PLAYER DETAILS #50 C Michael Croteau - Carlisle - Junior -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Height: 6-8 Weight: 233 High School: Piscataway Township High School Hometown: Piscataway, NJ Attributes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Type INS JPS FTS 3PS HND PAS ORB DRB PSD PRD STL BLK QKN STR JMP STA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current: 23 6 8 0 4 24 21 44 47 15 38 30 16 99 45 49 2009: 22 6 8 0 4 23 20 42 45 15 37 29 15 95 44 42 2008: 21 6 8 0 4 22 19 40 43 14 36 28 14 91 43 35 2007: 19 6 8 0 4 20 17 36 39 14 34 26 11 81 40 17 Potential: D F F F F D D C C D C C Health: Good Scholarship: Yes Status: Active Roster Academics: 79 Stat Averages: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season G GS MIN PTS ORE REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 27 0 6.6 2.0 0.3 1.4 0.1 0.3 0.50 0.3 0.0 0.8 2009 8 0 2.8 1.3 0.1 0.8 0.0 0.0 0.00 0.0 0.0 0.0 2010 11 0 1.8 0.0 0.0 0.4 0.1 0.0 1.00 0.1 0.0 0.2 Career 46 0 4.8 1.4 0.2 1.1 0.1 0.2 1.00 0.2 0.0 0.5 Shooting Averages: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season FGM FGA FG% FTM FTA FT% 3PM 3PA 3P% PPS +/- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 0.7 1.5 .488 0.5 0.9 .520 0.0 0.0 .000 1.29 -2.67 2009 0.6 0.8 .833 0.0 0.0 .000 0.0 0.0 .000 1.67 0.25 2010 0.0 0.2 .000 0.0 0.2 .000 0.0 0.1 .000 0.00 0.09 Career 0.5 1.1 .510 0.3 0.6 .481 0.0 0.0 .000 1.29 -1.50 Stat Totals: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season G GS MIN PTS OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 27 0 179 53 8 39 4 8 7 1 22 2009 8 0 22 10 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 2010 11 0 20 0 0 4 1 0 1 0 2 Career 46 0 221 63 9 49 5 8 8 1 24 Shooting Totals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season FGM FGA FTM FTA 3PM 3PA +/- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 20 41 13 25 0 1 -72 2009 5 6 0 0 0 0 2 2010 0 2 0 2 0 1 1 Career 25 49 13 27 0 2 -69 Career Highs: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Type Pts OReb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO FGM FGA FTM FTA 3PM 3PA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 2 0 1 Career 7 2 6 1 1 1 2 3 4 3 5 0 1 Awards & Acheivements: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Award -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2007 High School: Rated * and #1455 overall by the FBCB scouting service.


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PLAYER DETAILS #2 SG Domenic Ahn - CCNY - Junior -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Height: 6-0 Weight: 190 High School: Garden City High School Hometown: Garden City, NY Attributes: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Type INS JPS FTS 3PS HND PAS ORB DRB PSD PRD STL BLK QKN STR JMP STA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current: 28 41 66 34 45 72 26 10 13 42 48 11 86 49 48 85 2009: 28 39 64 32 44 63 24 9 13 39 43 11 85 47 47 77 2008: 26 36 57 29 43 55 22 8 12 35 36 10 85 45 46 70 2007: 24 34 51 27 42 47 20 6 10 33 32 8 83 41 45 54 Potential: D D B C C A D F F C C F Health: Good Scholarship: Yes Status: Active Roster Academics: 60 Stat Averages: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season G GS MIN PTS ORE REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 42 30 24.9 9.7 1.3 2.7 2.0 1.5 1.35 1.3 0.1 2.6 2009 38 6 20.2 8.5 0.9 2.6 2.3 1.5 1.53 1.1 0.1 2.0 2010 31 0 16.5 8.5 1.1 2.2 2.8 0.8 3.44 1.0 0.1 1.4 Career 111 36 20.9 9.0 1.1 2.5 2.3 1.3 3.44 1.1 0.1 2.1 Shooting Averages: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season FGM FGA FG% FTM FTA FT% 3PM 3PA 3P% PPS +/- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 4.0 8.7 .454 1.2 1.5 .769 0.6 2.0 .325 1.12 5.43 2009 3.3 7.8 .423 1.3 1.7 .810 0.6 1.9 .288 1.09 6.53 2010 3.4 7.2 .464 1.2 1.5 .826 0.6 2.1 .277 1.18 8.00 Career 3.6 8.0 .446 1.3 1.6 .799 0.6 2.0 .299 1.12 6.52 Stat Totals: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season G GS MIN PTS OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 42 30 1045 409 53 115 84 62 53 3 108 2009 38 6 766 324 36 98 89 58 40 2 76 2010 31 0 513 264 33 69 86 25 31 2 44 Career 111 36 2324 997 122 282 259 145 124 7 228 Shooting Totals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season FGM FGA FTM FTA 3PM 3PA +/- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008 166 366 50 65 27 83 228 2009 126 298 51 63 21 73 248 2010 104 224 38 46 18 65 248 Career 396 888 139 174 66 221 724 Career Highs: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Type Pts OReb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO FGM FGA FTM FTA 3PM 3PA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season 26 3 6 7 3 1 2 11 16 4 4 2 5 Career 29 5 8 7 4 1 5 11 17 8 8 3 6 Awards & Acheivements: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Season Award -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All Player of the Game: 8 2007 High School: Rated ***** and #15 overall by the FBCB scouting service. 2008 NCAA Champion 2008 Freshman All-Conference (Big East Conference)

Milton Mock ended up declaring for the draft that year and never played for USF.
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:19 PM   #36
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2011-12 SEASON FINAL FOUR

It was (1-seed) Georgetown v. (3-seed) Alabama-Huntsville in one semi-final and (5-seed) Michigan v. (16-seed) Manhattan in the other.

The reason this is notable? Michigan's coach is former CCNY head man Connie Snell who was fired from Syracuse in 2006, went to UCLA for a year as an assistant and then spent the past four years at St. Joseph's before taking over at Michigan this season.

He was gunning for his 5th title.

In the other semi-final, Georgetown's head coach was former CCNY head man Freeman Young, Snell's collegiate coach and predecessor who also won three titles with the Beavers. Coach Young has been a few places since leaving CCNY for Georgia State in 1990. After taking the Panthers to the Final Four in 1996 and 1997, losing in the championship game in '95 and semis in 1996, he left for Boston College where in his first season, he led the Eagles to the national title game.

He was fired at BC in 2001 and left for Dayton where he was an assistant for one season before taking over as head coach and in 2006-07, he led the Flyers to the national title game. He left Dayton and spent the past two years at Vanderbilt before taking over at Georgetown.

Georgetown claimed the 2011-12 National title, giving Coach Young his 4th title matching his pupil Connie Snell for the most of any head coach in history.

I'm going to follow this with a list of the coaches with the most final fours, because now I'm curious to see the list.
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Old 04-16-2011, 10:29 PM   #37
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Most Final Fours (that I could research) by coach

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COACH YEARS PROGRAMS
Connie Snell 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2011 CCNY (5), Michigan (1)
Freeman Young 1987, 1988, 1989, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2006, 2011 CCNY (3), Georgia State (2), Dayton (1) , Georgetown (1)
Broderick Bischoff 1902, 1906, 1915, 1917, 1918, 1920, 1921 Syracuse
Bernard Kratz 1900, 1904, 1905, 1908, 1912, 1913, 1918
1929, 1930, 1931 Ohio State (7), Syracuse (3)
John Adams 1927, 1935, 1939 Michigan State
Dennis Simmons 1996, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2008, 2010 Fresno State (1), CCNY (5)
Clayton Byrum 1995, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007, Georgetown (5)
Paul Furst 1909, 1910, 1912, 1914, 1916, 1917 Missouri
James Dambrosio 1900, 1901, 1902, 1908, 1911, 1915, Stanford
Donnie Ward 1911, 1914, 1920, 1922 Marquette
John Halvorsen 1911, 1918, 1923 Memphis (1), Georgetown (2)
Glenn Weaver 1922, 1923, Air Force, Marquette
Douglas Traynor 1899, 1905, 1919, 1922, 1924, 1928, 1930, 1931, 1932, 1933, Kansas (3), Missouri (7)
Chucho Garrido 1931, 1934, 1938 Marquette
Chris Laurent 1932, 1936, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1951, 1953 Auburn
Rapheal Largent 1946, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, NC State
Jordan Lundgren 1954, 1956, 1961 St. John's
Jonathan Kugler 1967, 1968, 1969, 1972, 1973 DePaul
Tyler Valenzuela 1977, 1979, 1980, 1984 Syracuse
George Clover 1985, 1998 Rice, Stanford

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