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Old 09-15-2011, 04:31 PM   #1
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Wow. So, basically this high school teams starts the game off by winning the toss, scoring, onside kick, scoring, onside kick, etc.

29-0 BEFORE the other team even gets the ball.

Then, after they do, they launch a couple series of 11 man pass rushers which just frazzles the QB into sacks and INCs (instead of easy open guys).

Final 64-34 .. so, the 29 point headstart was basically the difference in the game.

Anyway .. whatcha think ?

Arkansas power leads team 29-0 before it can touch the ball - Prep Rally - High School*Blog - Yahoo! Sports

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Old 09-15-2011, 04:35 PM   #2
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I'm guessing their opponent next week will be practicing their onside kicks.
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:02 PM   #3
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Obviously they needed it based on the score difference
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:11 PM   #4
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That's kinda douchey.
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:14 PM   #5
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That's kinda douchey.

It is known as a douche bag school, but they do have good football.
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:22 PM   #6
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It is known as a douche bag school, but they do have good football.

I'm not sure I consider that good football. A team that was remotely coached properly on onside kicks would have destroyed them. Thats like calling the morons on Madden who run a hail mary every play great Madden players the once or twice a week that it actually works and they win a game.
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:36 PM   #7
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:37 PM   #8
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I'm not sure I consider that good football. A team that was remotely coached properly on onside kicks would have destroyed them. Thats like calling the morons on Madden who run a hail mary every play great Madden players the once or twice a week that it actually works and they win a game.
Not so fast. Evidently his opponents should have been prepared for this. And from reading the SI article, this wasn't some big, bad, 3000-student powerhouse beating up on a weakling, either.

Pulaski Academy scores 29 points before opponent touches football - Scorecasting - SI.com

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If you think Bill Belichick bucks convention with his play-calling, meet Kevin Kelley, head football coach of Pulaski Academy in Little Rock, Ark. Actually, perhaps you've met him already.


Kelley has become a cult figure among both football coaches and the sports analytics community for his disregard -- contempt even -- for traditional football wisdom. He's been featured in Sports Illustrated. He figured prominently in Scorecasting. He's been a regular at coaching clinics and at the annual MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference.


For one, Kelley doesn't believe in punting. His Bruins teams go for it on fourth down, even in the most extreme situations. His playbook is filled with tricks and gimmicks. He often forbids his players to return punts, reckoning that the odds of a fumble outstrip the incremental yards that can be gained from a return. After his team scores, it almost always attempts an onside kick. There are 12 varieties in the playbook -- including one in which the ball is placed flat on the ground -- and Kelley figures that the chance of recovery outweighs the risk of allowing the opposition to start a drive near midfield.


The funny thing about Kelley: He's not a mad scientist or an iconoclast, zigging where everyone else is zagging, for the hell of it. Rather, he's a relentlessly rational sort whose methods have backing in data.


The decision not to punt? According to Kelley's statistics, when a team punts from near its end zone, the opponent will take possession inside the 40-yard line and will then score a touchdown 77 percent of the time. If it recovers on downs inside the 10, it will score a touchdown 92 percent of the time. "So [forsaking] a punt, you give your offense a chance to stay on the field," he said. "And if you miss, the odds of the other team scoring only increase 15 percent. It's like someone said, '[Punting] is what you do on fourth down,' and everyone did it without asking why."


Still, even for Pulaski fans who have come to expect the unexpected, Kelley outdid himself last Friday night. The Bruins visited the Cabot Panthers, one of the best teams in Arkansas and a school with roughly five times the student body of Pulaski. More than 8,000 fans packed the bleachers. One of the state's network affiliates televised the game. Another held its evening news from the sidelines.


With Kelley calling plays, Pulaski scored on its first drive. Naturally, the Bruins then attempted an onside kick, which they recovered. Soon, they scored another touchdown. They repeated the drill -- onside kick, recovery, touchdown -- again. And then again. With 8:35 left in the 12-minute first quarter, Cabot trailed Pulaski 29-0 and had yet to run a play from scrimmage.


As Pulaski prepared to attempt its fourth onside kick, Cabot called timeout. ("Not too often you see timeout called as the receiving team lines up for a first-quarter kickoff," Kelley said.) Finally, Cabot recovered the kick and began its first offensive set of downs. Cue: more unconventional calls from Kelley. On defense, Pulaski put all 11 players in the box, leaving every receiver uncovered. The strategy worked, too, as the quarterback misfired under the pressure (and, surely, the unprecedented experience) of facing an 11-man rush.



After the 29-0 outburst, the game was remarkably close. Pulaski ended up winning by 30 points, 64-34, racking up 664 yards in total offense and getting eight touchdowns from quarterback Fredi Knighten (the Bruins also recovered a total of five onside kicks). Pulaski moved to No. 3 in the state AP poll and retained its No. 1 ranking in Arkansas Class 4A, a good bet to win a third state title in the last eight years. The Bruins also climbed from 99th to 75th in the Rivals Top 100 national rankings, not bad for a school with just 350 students. It makes for a strong endorsement of its coach's methods.



"Honestly, the more football I see, the more I'm convinced we're right," Kelley said. "That game the other night, they were just stunned. Emotionally, it takes so much out of you when the other team goes for it successfully or recovers an onside kick -- or three of them in a row."


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Old 09-15-2011, 05:38 PM   #9
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Sounds like if Cabot wasn't prepared for the onside kick, then they were terribly coached.
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:53 PM   #10
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:59 PM   #11
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I actually like it.. Their coach is a data cruncher and all his decisions are based on those numbers he has found.

I wouldn't call him a pioneer, but he is definitely making it so other high school coaches have to think.
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Old 09-15-2011, 07:30 PM   #12
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I don't think it is douchey. I think the guy has a different take on how to approach the game. It apparently works, and I'd guess his opponents know more or less what to expect.

You can be prepared as all get out for an onside kick, but you still have to execute to recover it. Failing to complete a pass against an eleven man rush is less forgivable.
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Old 09-15-2011, 07:39 PM   #13
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I actually like it.. Their coach is a data cruncher and all his decisions are based on those numbers he has found.

I wouldn't call him a pioneer, but he is definitely making it so other high school coaches have to think.

I agree. I just finished reading the SI article before I saw this thread and would think the book Scorecasting would be fascinating.

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In our book Scorecasting we tried to challenge assumptions and conventional wisdom in sports and explore new territory. Using principles of behavioral economics, experimental psychology, and lots of data,

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Old 09-15-2011, 07:46 PM   #14
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This is high school football as well, so the probabilities of these tactics working are higher than a college or pro game.
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:02 PM   #15
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Old 09-16-2011, 01:51 AM   #16
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As opposed to Little Rock(NH)?
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Old 09-16-2011, 08:02 AM   #17
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I agree. I just finished reading the SI article before I saw this thread and would think the book Scorecasting would be fascinating.

Search here on FOFC, we've discussed the book briefly. I loved it.
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Old 09-16-2011, 08:49 AM   #18
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Sounds like if Cabot wasn't prepared for the onside kick, then they were terribly coached.

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