Super Bowl XLVI Thread - Giants Vs. Patriots

[Rizon]

About 56 minutes of this game were about as exciting as being blind and listening to grass grow. Add on top of that the most uninspired crop of commercials ever and a WTF hafltime show it ended up being Super Snore XLVI.

[cartman]

The safety earned someone in Vegas $50K. I would have thought the first score being a safety would be more than 50:1.

That Tom Brady safety earned one lucky person $50,000 | National Football Post

[molson]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

For me, the chance that Brady can get close to FG range with 20 seconds left > the chance that Brady can score a winning TD with 1 minute left (and in reality, they didn't even get close).

That's probably true, but getting the ball back with 20 seconds left wasn't guaranteed either, the Giants could have left them with less, or they could have scored the TD on 3rd down.

I'd rather have the odds of Brady scoring a TD with 3+ minutes left, or at least with about 1:45 left after the Manningham catch when the Giants were in FG range (I can't remember how much time exactly was left then).

[molson]

Originally Posted by cartman

The safety earned someone in Vegas $50K.

That Tom Brady safety earned one lucky person $50,000 | National Football Post

50/1 doesn't seem like good enough odds for that.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by molson

50/1 doesn't seem like good enough odds for that.

My thought as well, but it just dawned on me that the now real life odds of it happening are 1 in 46.

[Ksyrup]

Funny, but oh so wrong.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

And Eli didn't exactly light the world on fire tonight.

Haters gonna keep hating I guess.

30/40-296 yards-1TD-NO TURNOVERS-103.8 QB Rating, another game winning TD drive in the superbowl with 4 minutes left in the game and superbowl MVP.

what more do you want the guy to do? Unreal.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

One thing still has to be taught to that announcer right before the Super Bowl got handed out: when a team wins the National Football League championship game you become national champions.

I understand this quibble, but unlike with baseball or basketball...there's no real claim of any other gridiron team being better than the NFL champs. We reserve national champs for college football. So it's be Super Bowl Champs, if we dropped the USA hubris of naming champs World Champs. But...I'd never hold your breath on such a change.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Logan

There's a rule on the books concerning "Palpably Unfair Acts".

I started to bring this up last night but was basically too lazy to go look up a decent citation.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by molson

50/1 doesn't seem like good enough odds for that.

I'm guessing that someone who is willing to wager $1000 on a NYG safety (reading the ticket as I did last night, I believe the bet was team specific) will be giving that $51K back to the books very very soon.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So Welker dropping a pass makes Eli clutch?

Nah, but his past history does. He was "clutch" well before last night.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm guessing that someone who is willing to wager $1000 on a NYG safety (reading the ticket as I did last night, I believe the bet was team specific) will be giving that $51K back to the books very very soon.

Exactly!

[Kodos]

My father-in-law refuses to give Eli Manning any credit ever. It's kinda funny, really.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Nah, but his past history does. He was "clutch" well before last night.

So is Brady clutch or a choker?

[cartman]

I missed the part about the bet being team specific. That moves the real-life odds to 92 to 1. Bad value bet on his part.

[ISiddiqui]

While Eli is definitely one of the best QBs in the game today, to say that he is coming close to Peyton is kind of funny. I mean Peyton Manning is arguably one of the Top 5 QBs of All Time. What happened to the Colts this season should be proof of how valuable he is. How many of those Colts teams would have finished in the celler without Peyton?

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Haters gonna keep hating I guess.

30/40-296 yards-1TD-NO TURNOVERS-103.8 QB Rating, another game winning TD drive in the superbowl with 4 minutes left in the game and superbowl MVP.

what more do you want the guy to do? Unreal.

As long as he keeps his turnovers down the way he did this year and last night, he definitely cracks my top five.

How many active QB's actually have two Super Bowl rings? Brady, Rothlisberger and Eli Manning. Am I missing someone?

[JPhillips]

Gisele smash!

"You've to catch the ball when you're supposed to catch the ball. My husband cannot fucking throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can't believe they dropped the ball so many times."

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by cartman

I missed the part about the bet being team specific. That moves the real-life odds to 92 to 1. Bad value bet on his part.

I saw some longer odds being reported on twitter. Up to 75-1 for team-specific safety.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by cartman

I missed the part about the bet being team specific. That moves the real-life odds to 92 to 1. Bad value bet on his part.

You had it right the first time.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

While Eli is definitely one of the best QBs in the game today, to say that he is coming close to Peyton is kind of funny. I mean Peyton Manning is arguably one of the Top 5 QBs of All Time. What happened to the Colts this season should be proof of how valuable he is. How many of those Colts teams would have finished in the celler without Peyton?

I guess part of the question is this: how good are the Giants without Eli Manning? Do they win a Super Bowl without him? Do they make the playoffs without him?

[cartman]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

You had it right the first time.

Wouldn't it be 46 to 1 if it were for either team getting a safety?

ie.

You put 46 pieces of paper in a hat, and it is 46 to 1 to draw any particular number. But if it is team specific, you put 92 pieces in a hat (1a, 1b, 2a, 2b, etc.).

[Jughead Spock]

With Gisele's recent leaks of emails, she really needs to reconsider her friends.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So is Brady clutch or a choker?

If we gave a random QB Tom Brady's record and stats since 2005, people would most definitely be calling that random QB a choker. In a 7 year career, he's failed to win it all, including one time when he had a completely loaded team, and in each of the postseasons has had at least one subpar game.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I guess part of the question is this: how good are the Giants without Eli Manning? Do they win a Super Bowl without him? Do they make the playoffs without him?

They don't win a Superbowl or make the playoffs, but they would totally rape the Peyton-less Colts head to head.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I guess part of the question is this: how good are the Giants without Eli Manning? Do they win a Super Bowl without him? Do they make the playoffs without him?

i'd follow that goofy bastard into battle any day of the week. i keep waiting for him to fall out of character

'eli, what did you say in the huddle before the TD?'
'I LIEK TURTLES!'

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Matthean

14 former Big Ten players got rings last night. I'm not sure if that's the highest from a conference, but it has to be up there.

I don't know what the breakdown is by team, but I saw this:

Brett McMurphy @McMurphyCBS
SEC (23) had most players on Super Bowl 46 rosters, followed by Big Ten (22), ACC (17), Pac-12 (13), Big East (11)

[Kodos]

"You've to catch the ball when you're supposed to catch the ball. My husband cannot fucking throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can't believe they dropped the ball so many times."

Yes. And when throwing to a vertically challenged receiver, try getting it to him a little closer to the ground.

[bhlloy]

Exactly one of those drops late on was a perfectly thrown ball. Even the one that Welker is getting crucified for could have been better and it would have been beat one guy and TD. Brady threw behind his receiver at least three times on the last two drives. Enough blame to go around I think. More proof that supermodels should be seen and not heard

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Haters gonna keep hating I guess.

30/40-296 yards-1TD-NO TURNOVERS-103.8 QB Rating, another game winning TD drive in the superbowl with 4 minutes left in the game and superbowl MVP.

what more do you want the guy to do? Unreal.

Look, he had a good game. Maybe even a great game. But he was playing the worst defense in the entire league, yardage wise. And he got 1 TD. I think there's a great argument that Tuck should have won the Super Bowl MVP. Perhaps I'm holding over a little sour grapes from two weeks ago, but this wasn't a jaw-dropping performance.

[Kodos]

It is the QB's job to win the game. Not compile gaudy stats.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Kodos

It is the QB's job to win the game. Not compile gaudy stats.

It's everyone's job to win the game, not just the QB. There were 46 players that "won" the game.

[cartman]

Eli has definitely established himself as the master of the desperation pass. He has completed more 30+ yard passes just as he's being hit that look hopeless when he releases them than anyone else I've ever seen.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

One thing still has to be taught to that announcer right before the Super Bowl got handed out: when a team wins the National Football League championship game you become national champions.

No, silly, the national championship is handed out to the winner of the game between the two teams that look best in a swimsuit, as judged by morons.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I would give my left nut to hear Ed Hochuli explain a "palpably unfair act" in the last 10 seconds of a Super Bowl.

I don't think I'm willing to go as far as you, but, yes, I would love to see that.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm guessing that someone who is willing to wager $1000 on a NYG safety (reading the ticket as I did last night, I believe the bet was team specific) will be giving that $51K back to the books very very soon.

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

i'd follow that goofy bastard into battle any day of the week. i keep waiting for him to fall out of character

'eli, what did you say in the huddle before the TD?'
'I LIEK TURTLES!'

Another couple of excellent nuggets from the thread this morning

SI

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

It's everyone's job to win the game, not just the QB. There were 46 players that "won" the game.

But the QB always gets the lion's share of credit or blame.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Kodos

It is the QB's job to win the game. Not compile gaudy stats.

This is prefect for that picture of the Joker that says "not sure if serious"

SI

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Kodos

But the QB always gets the lion's share of credit or blame.

Right and I think the QB gets a ridiculous amount of both credit and blame.

[Kodos]

I actually tend to agree with you on that. The team around a QB in large part dictates how successful he can be.

[Senator]

Howie Long calls the QB the Great White Whale of any franchise.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by Kodos

It is the QB's job to win the game. Not compile gaudy stats.

I'll agree with this, but I just think that he should have guided them to a much more comfortable win. What he did out there today didn't do much to convince me he's any more elite than I already thought he was. I think he's a very good QB who is just outside the top tier of QBs in the league. His playoff performance has led me to believe that he may LEAD that pack of QBs that are just outside, but he isn't the sort of guy that goes out there and just dominates like that top tier can (and has in the past).

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Look, he had a good game. Maybe even a great game. But he was playing the worst defense in the entire league, yardage wise. And he got 1 TD. I think there's a great argument that Tuck should have won the Super Bowl MVP. Perhaps I'm holding over a little sour grapes from two weeks ago, but this wasn't a jaw-dropping performance.

You can have your gaudy passing stats, I'll take the superbowl winning MVP.

[Ksyrup]

75% completion percentage and 300 yards against a D designed to let you take the short stuff isn't gaudy enough? He hit the only long pass that mattered with laser precision. Other than that, they took what the D gave them but fell short of the end zone more than they'd like, but scored enough to win the game. There's something to be said for excelling within the game plan and coming out on top.

[Senator]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

There's something to be said for excelling within the game plan and coming out on top.

At the end of the day, it's the only thing.

[larrymcg421]

Would you rather be Timmy Smith or Barry Sanders? Dan Marino or Trent Dilfer? Steve Largent or Deion Branch?

[Senator]

rather be me

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Would you rather be Timmy Smith or Barry Sanders? Dan Marino or Trent Dilfer? Steve Largent or Deion Branch?

I'll be the better player at the beginning of his career and take my chances on getting to and winning a SB before I retire.

Not everybody wins a SB, and not everybody is to blame because they didn't win one or the reason his team did win one.

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Would you rather be Timmy Smith or Barry Sanders? Dan Marino or Trent Dilfer? Steve Largent or Deion Branch?

Wasn't Barry driving a bus in a commercial during the SB? If so, then I don't want to be Barry cause I don't want to drive a bus full of kids.

[Ksyrup]

Yeah but Timmy Smith's been driving a bus full of kids every day to school for the past 20 years, for a paycheck. You choose.