2012 Presidential Campaign - Page 35

Crapshoot · 03-06-2012, 11:17 PM

I'm fascinated. If you're a hard-core conservative who doesnt trust Romney, there is little doubt that if Newt dropped out, Santorum would have won Ohio. Does Newt's ego have no bounds? (that's a hypothetical question, btw - I know the answer

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JonInMiddleGA · 03-06-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Does Newt's ego have no bounds? (that's a hypothetical question, btw - I know the answer

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Well aren't you the rhetorical one?

To both his benefit & his detriment (as well as ours), his ego defines him more than anything I can think of.

SirFozzie · 03-07-2012, 12:15 AM

Doesn't look like Romney got the knockout he was hoping for., He's still the favorite, and there will be pressure on Gingrich to make this a two man (plus Ron Paul) fight.

The conventional wisdom is that the R's want a clear and direct winner, so to avoid the possibility of Ron Paul hijacking a brokered convention

sabotai · 03-07-2012, 12:40 AM

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Ron Paul hijacking a brokered convention

That would be AWESOME!

molson · 03-07-2012, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

That would be AWESOME!

It would be, but I doubt it would live up to the vision I had just now of Ron Paul and a bunch of ninjas repelling down the convention walls on cables before decapitating a few lower-level delegates as a warning to others.

RainMaker · 03-07-2012, 12:49 AM

I think there are a few states Gingrich is favored in in the South coming up. Isn't he ahead in Mississippi and Alabama?

Solecismic · 03-07-2012, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

I think there are a few states Gingrich is favored in in the South coming up. Isn't he ahead in Mississippi and Alabama?

There hasn't been much polling done. Gingrich had a significant edge when these states were last polled in November, but things have changed quite a bit since then.

I would imagine Gingrich has at least a decent chance of winning both. Then again, in November Santorum was polling at 1% in Tennessee.

What I take away from today is that Romney has the money and the nationwide support to win this nomination fairly easily. Even on a day when the state lineup wasn't to his advantage, he still scored the majority of the delegates.

If Santorum wins Alabama and Mississippi next week, I think Gingrich might very well drop out and support him. His dislike of Romney has become very personal the last couple of months, and probably for good reason.

If you firmly believe Santorum or Gingrich have a chance of winning the nomination, you can make a lot of money on InTrade right now.

bronconick · 03-07-2012, 04:46 AM

Romney just strikes me as a bad politician. He's been running for President for five years and his only way of winning so far this year has been to destroy his opponents with attack ads if they rise up to compete with him with his overwhelming cash advantage, something he won't have in the general. He's running against guys that are running so much on a shoestring budget they can't get on the ballot in some states and weren't able to line up delegates in others even if they had won there, and he can't slam the door shut.

kcchief19 · 03-07-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

If you firmly believe Santorum or Gingrich have a chance of winning the nomination, you can make a lot of money on InTrade right now.

Intrade puts Obama's odds of reelection at 60 percent right now. A lot can and will change in the next eight months though.

At this point in 2008, McCain had the nomination clinched and the Obama-Clinton fight would last more than two more months.

Oddly, I do think it's in Romney's best interest for everybody else to stay in the race if they aren't dropping out together. If the anti-Romney vote coalesces around Santorum, it's early enough for Romney to be caught. The best thing Romney has going for him now is Gingrich's ego. Gingrich appears incapable of bowing out.

I do not agree with the conventional wisdom that the longer the fight, the better for Obama. By the time October comes around, what else can be said about Romney that hasn't been said? I think this primary campaign will inoculate Romney to a degree for the general election.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-07-2012, 03:47 PM

Maybe I missed an earlier mention of it but ... did everyone notice that Dennis Kucinich lost his seat last night? (to another D incumbent, they had been redistricted together after Ohio lost a couple of seats in reapportionment)

JPhillips · 03-07-2012, 03:48 PM

As well as Jean Schmidt losing hers.

JPhillips · 03-07-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

Intrade puts Obama's odds of reelection at 60 percent right now. A lot can and will change in the next eight months though.

At this point in 2008, McCain had the nomination clinched and the Obama-Clinton fight would last more than two more months.

Oddly, I do think it's in Romney's best interest for everybody else to stay in the race if they aren't dropping out together. If the anti-Romney vote coalesces around Santorum, it's early enough for Romney to be caught. The best thing Romney has going for him now is Gingrich's ego. Gingrich appears incapable of bowing out.

I do not agree with the conventional wisdom that the longer the fight, the better for Obama. By the time October comes around, what else can be said about Romney that hasn't been said? I think this primary campaign will inoculate Romney to a degree for the general election.

I saw a graph a while ago that showed that favorability ratings don't rise a lot during the presidential campaign. If Romney wins in November he'll have to overcome a -10 to -15 net favorability.

I've been in the likability wins presidential elections camp for years and I don't think Romney can win being a gaffe prone robot.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-07-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

As well as Jean Schmidt losing hers.

Difference being (I think) that most of our politically inclined folks know who DK is/was, I'm not sure everyone in that district could have identified JS

JPhillips · 03-07-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

Romney just strikes me as a bad politician. He's been running for President for five years and his only way of winning so far this year has been to destroy his opponents with attack ads if they rise up to compete with him with his overwhelming cash advantage, something he won't have in the general. He's running against guys that are running so much on a shoestring budget they can't get on the ballot in some states and weren't able to line up delegates in others even if they had won there, and he can't slam the door shut.

He's a bad politician, hell in 1994 Kennedy beat him by making him look weak on crime! The real problem, though, is that his ideology doesn't fit with the current GOP and everyone can tell that he's trying to say whatever the base wants to hear.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-07-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

He's a bad politician, hell in 1994 Kennedy beat him by making him look weak on crime! The real problem, though, is that his ideology doesn't fit with the current GOP and everyone can tell that he's trying to say whatever the base wants to hear.

So let's see here ... half the people aren't going to vote for him regardless of what he says and at least a portion aren't going to vote for him because they can't believe what he says.

Oh yeah, this will end well.

sterlingice · 03-07-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

So let's see here ... half the people aren't going to vote for him regardless of what he says and at least a portion aren't going to vote for him because they can't believe what he says.

Oh yeah, this will end well.

But aren't the other two options "Half the people aren't going to vote for him and at least a portion aren't going to vote for him because they hate what he says"?

SI

sterlingice · 03-07-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe I missed an earlier mention of it but ... did everyone notice that Dennis Kucinich lost his seat last night? (to another D incumbent, they had been redistricted together after Ohio lost a couple of seats in reapportionment)

He struck me a little as the Ron Paul of the left. Tho that was in the "good" old days of "let the crazies on the outside debate the issue and then the pragmatists in the middle craft a compromise"

SI

JonInMiddleGA · 03-07-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

But aren't the other two options "Half the people aren't going to vote for him and at least a portion aren't going to vote for him because they hate what he says"?

Big hunk of the latter would be in the former (at least that's what makes sense to me).

After all, it isn't Robamney's campaign messages that lost any shot at me, it's his actions and the lack of trust I have in virtually anything he says.

panerd · 03-07-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

He struck me a little as the Ron Paul of the left. Tho that was in the "good" old days of "let the crazies on the outside debate the issue and then the pragmatists in the middle craft a compromise"

SI

Agree with first part. Scary that Paul and Kucinich are the "crazies" that are anti-war while McCain and Obama can compromise on which countries we can lose American lives in. It's also interesting that him and Paul really try to bring attention to the plutocracy in Washington DC/New York City while the compromisers you speak of sell the voters on being for the 99% while taking the 1%'s money in droves and voting completely in the 1%'s interests. But what the hell why stop the out of control spending when you can compromise and waste money on interests of both the right and the left?

I don't agree with a lot of Kucinich's socialist solutions to problems but he sure as hell had more integrity than most of the members of Congress.

molson · 03-07-2012, 07:15 PM

It's funny how much Paul/Kucinich and OWS/Tea partiers have in common. Enough at least, to make one more than a little cynical about the two party system.

sterlingice · 03-07-2012, 07:17 PM

Still, it's still just a veneer, of sorts. It turns out Ron Paul's district isn't suffering for government money because of his "principles", for instance.

At the end of the day, you can choose to just hold out on principle and never get anything you would want or cut some bad deals to at least do some "good". Standing on principle is good, but you still have to govern and if you don't then someone will take it out of your hands.

SI

panerd · 03-07-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Still, it's still just a veneer, of sorts. It turns out Ron Paul's district isn't suffering for government money because of his "principles", for instance.

At the end of the day, you can choose to just hold out on principle and never get anything you would want or cut some bad deals to at least do some "good". Standing on principle is good, but you still have to govern and if you don't then someone will take it out of your hands.

SI

Nah I don't agree with that at all. I would say there are definitely politicians that are complete faux populists who have no principles (Romney), politicians who will stand by the ideals but compromise when needed, and then Paul/Nader/Kucinich. I think you are stretching it a bit to use the term veneer with any of the three of them. Do they kill their electability? Sure. But its a pretty big stretch to call them out on integrity.

RainMaker · 03-07-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

Romney just strikes me as a bad politician. He's been running for President for five years and his only way of winning so far this year has been to destroy his opponents with attack ads if they rise up to compete with him with his overwhelming cash advantage, something he won't have in the general. He's running against guys that are running so much on a shoestring budget they can't get on the ballot in some states and weren't able to line up delegates in others even if they had won there, and he can't slam the door shut.

He sounds good when talking about the economy. His "jobs will trickle down if we cut taxes" bit is laughable, but he does sound informed on how things worked. Kind of odd that the GOP has turned away from the economy and toward things like contraceptives.

flounder · 03-07-2012, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

He sounds good when talking about the economy. His "jobs will trickle down if we cut taxes" bit is laughable, but he does sound informed on how things worked. Kind of odd that the GOP has turned away from the economy and toward things like contraceptives.

That's exactly the problem though. He sounds good on the economy, but when you look closer at his proposals, there's no "there" there.

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Take Romney’s proposed overhaul of the tax code. Vague on details and short on substance, it’s more like a press release than anything resembling an actual plan to rewrite the country’s massive, complex tax code. The few details it does reveal tend to focus on the goodies Romney would like to offer and less on their price. Romney proposes an across the board tax cut along with cuts to the corporate rate and various other reductions, including a repeal of the alternative minimum tax. Combined, the Manhattan Institute’s Josh Barro estimates that Romney’s proposals would reduce federal tax revenues by up to $5 trillion over the next decade.

In keeping with his vow to balance the federal budget, Romney also promises to make these cuts in a way that’s revenue neutral. How? He’s yet to say. The plan indicates that Romney would rely on dynamic tax effects while closing tax loopholes and reducing spending in order to offset the lost revenue. Which loopholes would he snip? Which spending would he cut? Anyone wondering about these questions might as well ask a magic eight ball, which would at least provide an answer.

Indeed, Romney has actually employed the plan’s murkiness as a way of responding to outside groups that have tried to tally its economic effects and found it wanting. “I think it’s interesting for the groups to try and score it because it can’t be scored because those kind of details have to be worked out with Congress and we have a wide array of options,” Romney said on CNBC earlier today.

stevew · 03-07-2012, 08:50 PM

Kucinich is probably bummed out about having to spend more time at home banging his hot wife(or at least I remember her being hot)

JonInMiddleGA · 03-07-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Kucinich is probably bummed out about having to spend more time at home banging his hot wife(or at least I remember her being hot)

If you're into ginger's with British accents (she's from Essex) ...

She also has her tongue pierced with a silver stud.

Which reminds me
Q: What do Essex girls use for protection?
A: Bus shelters

Q: What's the difference between an Essex girl and an ironing board?
A: Ironing boards legs are difficult to part.

Q: What does an Essex girl say after sex?
A: "Do you really all play for the same football team?"

stevew · 03-07-2012, 09:04 PM

If she was into role playing Dr Quinn and/or Celine Dion I could deal with that.

bhlloy · 03-07-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Which reminds me
Q: What do Essex girls use for protection?
A: Bus shelters

Q: What's the difference between an Essex girl and an ironing board?
A: Ironing boards legs are difficult to part.

Q: What does an Essex girl say after sex?
A: "Do you really all play for the same football team?"

As a proud graduate of the University of Essex I have to say... that's mostly true actually. Any personal connection to the area?

JonInMiddleGA · 03-07-2012, 10:48 PM

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As a proud graduate of the University of Essex I have to say... that's mostly true actually. Any personal connection to the area?

None whatsoever, I just thought the jokes were funny & stole them from the same place I found the picture

edit: I also thought they might help us understand how she ended up with the little shrimp

Thomkal · 03-08-2012, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe I missed an earlier mention of it but ... did everyone notice that Dennis Kucinich lost his seat last night? (to another D incumbent, they had been redistricted together after Ohio lost a couple of seats in reapportionment)

The Democrats are probably happy he lost given his position on many issues.

JediKooter · 03-08-2012, 10:58 AM

Damn Dennis. Dude must be hung like a horse or has got such good game, I find it hard to believe he lost the race.

SackAttack · 03-08-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe I missed an earlier mention of it but ... did everyone notice that Dennis Kucinich lost his seat last night? (to another D incumbent, they had been redistricted together after Ohio lost a couple of seats in reapportionment)

And the Republican nominee for that seat in November is Joe the Plumber. I shit you not.

larrymcg421 · 03-08-2012, 01:28 PM

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And the Republican nominee for that seat in November is Joe the Plumber. I shit you not.

Damn! A Kucinich vs. Joe the Plumber race would've been the most entertaining congressional election ever.

SackAttack · 03-08-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Damn! A Kucinich vs. Joe the Plumber race would've been the most entertaining congressional election ever.

No shit, huh? Talk about a missed opportunity.

Grover · 03-08-2012, 04:28 PM

Philip Rivers has come out in support of Rick Santorum today. Why haven't you!?

Julio Riddols · 03-08-2012, 04:45 PM

Wow. I will never draft him for my fantasy team again. Must have played all last year with a concussion.

MacroGuru · 03-08-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover

Philip Rivers has come out in support of Rick Santorum today. Why haven't you!?

Because no one can take this serious...

Grover · 03-08-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

Because no one can take this serious...

I could not have asked for a better response than this.

DaddyTorgo · 03-08-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover

Philip Rivers has come out in support of Rick Santorum today. Why haven't you!?

Did he really???

Grover · 03-08-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Did he really???

QB Philip Rivers Endorses Santorum | PoliticsPA

He most certainly did.

JediKooter · 03-08-2012, 07:15 PM

Jesus...

DaddyTorgo · 03-08-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover

QB Philip Rivers Endorses Santorum | PoliticsPA

He most certainly did.

Well I'm done with him.

When will these athletes learn that they're better off from a PR standpoint keeping their politics private?

Same thing with that fool Schilling.

Grover · 03-08-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Well I'm done with him.

When will these athletes learn that they're better off from a PR standpoint keeping their politics private?

Same thing with that fool Schilling.

Agree completely. Best political story I've read all day though. Was great for a laugh.

PilotMan · 03-08-2012, 08:10 PM

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Jesus...

...endorses....

cartman · 03-08-2012, 08:23 PM

Rivers and Santorum are two words that should never be near each other.

stevew · 03-08-2012, 08:31 PM

It's disappointing that google reworked its algorithm and the re-definition of Santorum is no longer on top.

Solecismic · 03-09-2012, 12:57 AM

Funny, he clearly believes in interception.

mckerney · 03-09-2012, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Rivers and Santorum are two words that should never be near each other.

bronconick · 03-09-2012, 09:38 AM

I was wondering why athletes always get more of a backlash then actors for coming out on political stuff. It's been a time honored tradition in Hollywood, after all, and musicians are about as bad. Both are involved in what I'd call "escapism" where when I'm watching, I don't WANT to hear about politics, the starving kids, or whatever, and all I can think of is that when Mel Gibson is an idiot, he makes one movie a year (where he's technically not Mel Gibson during) which is 3 hours of my life that I can choke down my bile or just skip, while if a football player on my favorite team starts going political, that's 16+ games of 3 hours a piece.

DaddyTorgo · 03-09-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

I was wondering why athletes always get more of a backlash then actors for coming out on political stuff. It's been a time honored tradition in Hollywood, after all, and musicians are about as bad. Both are involved in what I'd call "escapism" where when I'm watching, I don't WANT to hear about politics, the starving kids, or whatever, and all I can think of is that when Mel Gibson is an idiot, he makes one movie a year (where he's technically not Mel Gibson during) which is 3 hours of my life that I can choke down my bile or just skip, while if a football player on my favorite team starts going political, that's 16+ games of 3 hours a piece.

I don't give actors a pass either FIWW.

Haven't been to a Mel Gibson movie since his nuttiness came out, and haven't been to a Tom Cruise movie since he went postal and super-scientologist. Same thing for Travolta.

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sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Still, it's still just a veneer, of sorts. It turns out Ron Paul's district isn't suffering for government money because of his "principles", for instance. At the end of the day, you can choose to just hold out on principle and never get anything you would want or cut some bad deals to at least do some "good". Standing on principle is good, but you still have to govern and if you don't then someone will take it out of your hands. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 03-07-2012 at 07:18 PM.

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03-06-2012, 11:17 PM	#1701
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	I'm fascinated. If you're a hard-core conservative who doesnt trust Romney, there is little doubt that if Newt dropped out, Santorum would have won Ohio. Does Newt's ego have no bounds? (that's a hypothetical question, btw - I know the answer )

03-07-2012, 12:49 AM	#1706
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I think there are a few states Gingrich is favored in in the South coming up. Isn't he ahead in Mississippi and Alabama?

03-07-2012, 04:46 AM	#1708
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	Romney just strikes me as a bad politician. He's been running for President for five years and his only way of winning so far this year has been to destroy his opponents with attack ads if they rise up to compete with him with his overwhelming cash advantage, something he won't have in the general. He's running against guys that are running so much on a shoestring budget they can't get on the ballot in some states and weren't able to line up delegates in others even if they had won there, and he can't slam the door shut.

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molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	It's funny how much Paul/Kucinich and OWS/Tea partiers have in common. Enough at least, to make one more than a little cynical about the two party system.

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Kucinich is probably bummed out about having to spend more time at home banging his hot wife(or at least I remember her being hot)

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	If she was into role playing Dr Quinn and/or Celine Dion I could deal with that.

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cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Rivers and Santorum are two words that should never be near each other. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-08-2012, 08:31 PM	#1746
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	It's disappointing that google reworked its algorithm and the re-definition of Santorum is no longer on top.

03-09-2012, 12:57 AM	#1747
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Funny, he clearly believes in interception.

03-09-2012, 09:38 AM	#1749
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	I was wondering why athletes always get more of a backlash then actors for coming out on political stuff. It's been a time honored tradition in Hollywood, after all, and musicians are about as bad. Both are involved in what I'd call "escapism" where when I'm watching, I don't WANT to hear about politics, the starving kids, or whatever, and all I can think of is that when Mel Gibson is an idiot, he makes one movie a year (where he's technically not Mel Gibson during) which is 3 hours of my life that I can choke down my bile or just skip, while if a football player on my favorite team starts going political, that's 16+ games of 3 hours a piece.

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