Idea for discussion - softening the reign of the "star receiver" in MP FOF

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by sidthelid

I think when 15/47 rookie QB's with 7 formations and 65 pass cohesion put up 144 ratings a patch is needed.

Sample size of more than one game?

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by sidthelid

I think when 15/47 rookie QB's with 7 formations and 65 pass cohesion put up 144 ratings a patch is needed.

As I said to you yesterday- you can go through the NFL and find rookie QBs who have had games like that.

It took me less than 5 minutes to pull this up.

In a ROOKIES 1st NFL game he put up a rating of 137.0
Through that season he also put up games of 120, 116.1, 138.4, 134, 130.2....
That rookie is Matt Ryan.
Matt Ryan: Game Logs at NFL.com

Another rookie QB, here is his entire season worth of ratings-
82.5, 74.6, 101.1, 107.4, 125.5, 126.4, 109.3, 63, 104.9, 66.9, 158.0, 33.6, 84.8, 125.1

It's amusing to sit back and see people complain about things in the game like this- when similar or more extreme things happen in the NFL.

[aston217]

One of the hardest connections to make is that between "what happens in game" and "realism." Just what determines realism? Realism does not mean average, vanilla stats all the time.

To make an analogy, it's also pretty hard for people to have an accurate grasp of what 'random' means. A random number between 1 & 10, generated 1000 times, doesn't mean you always get 5, 3, 2, 7, nicely spread out results. Sometimes, you're going to hit an 8 six times in a row. That's *expected*, *because* it is random, although people would point to that and say it doesn't look like it.

[scorp]

Overall I don't see how someone can call FOF unrealistic, one thing it is is pretty damn realistic.
Sure it has flaws, but that will always be the case with any game.

Jim really did a great job of creating an extremely deep and enjoyable football sim that is realistic to the game of football and how it has been changing, even though latest version was made in 2007.

[Julio Riddols]

The only thing I see that is really unrealistic about any QB statistics I see is guys averaging 10-12 yards per attempt. Kurt Warner is the only QB in the modern era to really come close to that 10 YPA plateau. Including him, only 8 QB since 1980 have averaged 9 or better for a single season.

[sidthelid]

Originally Posted by Yoda

As I said to you yesterday- you can go through the NFL and find rookie QBs who have had games like that.

It took me less than 5 minutes to pull this up.

In a ROOKIES 1st NFL game he put up a rating of 137.0
Through that season he also put up games of 120, 116.1, 138.4, 134, 130.2....
That rookie is Matt Ryan.
Matt Ryan: Game Logs at NFL.com

Another rookie QB, here is his entire season worth of ratings-
82.5, 74.6, 101.1, 107.4, 125.5, 126.4, 109.3, 63, 104.9, 66.9, 158.0, 33.6, 84.8, 125.1

It's amusing to sit back and see people complain about things in the game like this- when similar or more extreme things happen in the NFL.

I don't want to get into one with you as i consider you an fof buddy but you posted this 2 weeks ago "I am tired of FoF. Seeing teams with crappy players put up insane stats, claiming there are no bugs they are abusing. Having stud players not being able to put up 60% of those stats. "

Unless i am missing something you seem to be saying the same thing as me

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

The only thing I see that is really unrealistic about any QB statistics I see is guys averaging 10-12 yards per attempt. Kurt Warner is the only QB in the modern era to really come close to that 10 YPA plateau. Including him, only 8 QB since 1980 have averaged 9 or better for a single season.

I've attempted this in SP testing, and while I've come close in 6.4, I haven't consistently, regardless of talent, put up 10+ ypa passing seasons. Never have I put up back to back 10+ ypa seasons. I've used the PAV gameplans, and my own.

Only conclusion I can really draw from it is that when I create these conditions for testing, I have no cohesion really because I use the dispersal draft to even out cohesion. So maybe I'm missing cohesion to do it. Affinities help a little, but not very much (for me), maybe I'm doing it wrong. And the lack of a TC.

So to anyone who's gone over 10 YPA passing in consecutive years, kudos to you. But seriously, PM me your secret.

[Autumn]

We have to expect the stats in MP leagues to be skewed to some degree, since we're introducing the element of human decisions in gameplanning and roster management. So if we're talking about 10+ ypa in MP leagues, that's not surprising to me. They're making good moves, and taking advantage of teams making bad moves.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by sidthelid

I don't want to get into one with you as i consider you an fof buddy but you posted this 2 weeks ago "I am tired of FoF. Seeing teams with crappy players put up insane stats, claiming there are no bugs they are abusing. Having stud players not being able to put up 60% of those stats. "

Unless i am missing something you seem to be saying the same thing as me

I am not talking about the passing game as much as other aspects of FoF.

[sidthelid]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I am not talking about the passing game as much as other aspects of FoF.

Such as?

[MIJB#19]

Multiple QBs posting 10+ YPA? Where are you guys* seeing that stuff? In the one MP league I'm in, I see one QB with that as a career number (10.17 at the moment) and based on his ratings and WRs and their ratings and the team's usual game plan, it's not as shocking as one might think.

Edit: I suppose it's just Julio Riddols claiming this and you're actually in the same league as I am, playing that QB and WRs twice a year.

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Multiple QBs posting 10+ YPA? Where are you guys* seeing that stuff? In the one MP league I'm in, I see one QB with that as a career number (10.17 at the moment) and based on his ratings and WRs and their ratings and the team's usual game plan, it's not as shocking as one might think.

Edit: I suppose it's just Julio Riddols claiming this and you're actually in the same league as I am, playing that QB and WRs twice a year.

Marcus Williamson - IHOF - Interesting case for Tucker in 2030 since he just got with the team that season and didn't have any cohesion with the group, not sure of the affinities.

Jackie Collier - IHOF - Yeah, beast.

Ronnie Frederickson - CCFL - He's the Mad Bomber, what else did you expect?

Lenny Silva - CCFL - A QB that Ben swiped after he fell WAY too far in the draft.

Kyle Boller - House - Had a pretty kick ass season where he got 10.34 ypa.

Kerry Collins - GEFL - He had a sick year in 2001.

This is from just the leagues I play in that have online data.

[MIJB#19]

Hold on, I think we're mixing up career YPA and single-season YPA here. Williamson was a relative average QB for IHOF standards, hence the career YPA below 2/3rd of the 10 YPA that's being mentioned here.

[MIJB#19]

Heh, I think I'm mixing things up here.

[MIJB#19]

Still, even though I've never come closer to 8.00 with a stud QB and a wonderful WR duo, I'm not shocked of the 10 YPA figures. If your play calling goes like:
- incomplete
- 20 yd gain
- 15 yd gain
Then that obvisouly is going to get you over 10.

Do I like that it happens? No, because it feels unearthly, but at the same time it starts at the current MP tone where half the league prefers to lose-now-win-later, which will create an inbalance in talent, resulting in weakended defenses and the good teams getting better QB-WR-WR combos.

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Hold on, I think we're mixing up career YPA and single-season YPA here. Williamson was a relative average QB for IHOF standards, hence the career YPA below 2/3rd of the 10 YPA that's being mentioned here.

Oh, I'm not sure if JR is talking about career stats, I was just pointing to some impressive single season marks. 10 YPA for a career is outta this world while 10 YPA for a season is still quite impressive, even by NFL standards. Which is what I thought JR meant when he mentioned Kurt Warner for a single season effort he made, but I'll let him say for sure what he meant.

[Dutch]

Nemesis, how in the hell do you manage 9 leagues!

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Nemesis, how in the hell do you manage 9 leagues!

I'm in 14, I was editing, and couldn't fit them all in the signature.

[Dutch]

lmao!

[Ben E Lou]

The BFL, which addresses this issue more directly than any other league, has openings. Come check us out. Details here. Join here.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

The BFL, which addresses this issue more directly than any other league, has openings. Come check us out. Details here. Join here.

I've heard from all of the "teams of concern." We have three openings now.

OPENINGS
BFL: New Jersey Jets Roster (#20 pick, $8.9M cap room)
BFL: Cleveland Browns Roster (#5 pick, $9.6M cap room)
BFL: Tampa Bay Buccaneers Roster (#3 and #25 pick, $17.1M cap room)

Go here to sign up: http://www.fof-bfl.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1098

[Ben E Lou]

BFL has one opening: BFL: Houston Texans Roster

[Ben E Lou]

We have two openings. Just ended a season and two guys aren't able to return:

BFL: Miami Dolphins Roster
BFL: Dallas Cowboys Roster

[Ben E Lou]

We've got some openings, including PIT with the 1(1) pick.

See here for openings: BFL Owner/Team List

[QuikSand]

BFL has a couple of openings, including the team sitting on the clock right now. You'd have a few days to get things sorted out - sims are going to re-start (tech hiccup) on Thursday, I believe.

Playing FOF with nerfed QB/WR and a serious cap reduction is a completely different ballgame, for those who look for a "why this league?" sort of hook. This league moves fast, is competitive, and offers something really different. It might be my favorite setup.

http://www.fof-bfl.com/draft/selections.php

[Julio Riddols]

BFL and GML are my two favorite leagues at the moment, due to their formats. There is no one specific way to win in the BFL due to the nerf, which has brought a more competitive atmosphere and a feeling that pretty much everyone has a chance in any given year. Add to that the cap reduction, which means hard decisions are being made every season, which makes it very hard to maintain a dynasty.