Wrestlemania XXX

[Ajaxab]

Originally Posted by dubb93

It should have been Bray.

That would have made for a perfect torch-passing moment. They could have done something really creative with it too.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by dubb93

It should have been Bray.

I don't disagree, but Undertaker is the type of guy who's going to want to put someone over in the end, and I guess he decided the time was right.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

honestly, they don't have a truly destructive, dangerous big bad guy and maybe it'll be Brock now.

This was my gut feeling that if he were to win this would be the reason why. I honestly didn't think Undertaker was that much of a lock. Everybody assumed a younger guy when in the end they seemed to want to pass it to a big bad. My only disappoint outside of it ending is I'm not sure Brock is the guy you would want carrying that mantle.

[RainMaker]

Brock's a part-timer. He's never been passionate about the industry and will never be a full-time member of the roster.

[Carman Bulldog]

Bray would have been a great fit. While I know I have to suspend disbelief, I just don't think Taker going over Brock is believable and I'm glad Lesnar won. It was embarrassing enough with Brock having to sell those weak ass gogoplatas.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Brock's a part-timer. He's never been passionate about the industry and will never be a full-time member of the roster.

Then again, aside from Bray/Cena, did anything all night actually excite the crowd as much as the Hogan/Austin/Rock appearances? Maybe being full-time just doesn't matter any more?

[RainMaker]

The other weird thing is it just killed the crowd.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The other weird thing is it just killed the crowd.

Well, when you start out with the biggest match on the card this is the result.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Then again, aside from Bray/Cena, did anything all night actually excite the crowd as much as the Hogan/Austin/Rock appearances? Maybe being full-time just doesn't matter any more?

The Cesaro Slam of the Big Show.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

The Cesaro Slam of the Big Show.

Okay, that's probably fair. But is that mostly shock value rather than anybody being over?

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Then again, aside from Bray/Cena, did anything all night actually excite the crowd as much as the Hogan/Austin/Rock appearances? Maybe being full-time just doesn't matter any more?

Bryan-HHH did, and they seemed into the Shield from my perspective.

I think the big question is when did Undertaker decide he was going to lose (retire?). If it was in the last month or so, then they were basically locked in with Brock as an opponent. If he decided before the last PPV, then I don't know why the thinking of Brock as the opponent.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by General Mike

Bryan-HHH did

Heh, that was so long ago that I actually forgot to include it

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Then again, aside from Bray/Cena, did anything all night actually excite the crowd as much as the Hogan/Austin/Rock appearances? Maybe being full-time just doesn't matter any more?

Are you serious? The crowd was as flat in Cena-Wyatt as anything all night outside of the divas. Bryan, The Shield and Cesaro all had better reactions.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

Are you serious? The crowd was as flat in Cena-Wyatt as anything all night outside of the divas. Bryan, The Shield and Cesaro all had better reactions.

Everything I'd read suggested that Wyatt's gimmick was hot as hell tonight {shrug}

[Neuqua]

The crowd was singing "He's got the whole world" without Bray even instigating it.

[PilotMan]

It was, but the fight dragged during Cena's moment(s) of indecision. It was too long, too much repetition.

[PilotMan]

Orton took a nasty bump on the tv monitor. That had to hurt like hell. His back is bleeding from it. ouch.

[SirFozzie]

I'm really worried. They got me if it's a work.

Edit: And they did get me. It's a work

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Orton took a nasty bump on the tv monitor. That had to hurt like hell. His back is bleeding from it. ouch.

Yea, he definitely took the worst of it.

[SirFozzie]

YES! (times 5 million)

[PilotMan]

Now hopefully we can let Batista go back to the hole he came out of. That shoulder is looking pretty good now. hehehe.

[SirFozzie]

Major props to Orton for finishing the match with an undoubtedly fucked up back

[PilotMan]

Props to Bryan, he worked hard tonight.

[General Mike]

If the entire announcing team wasn't so terrible, this show would have been much more enjoyable.

[PurdueBrad]

Orton impressed just in regards to how much of a trooper he was down the stretch because I'm pretty sure I would've been content to just lay there until they cleared out the arena after hitting that monitor.

Cesaro continues to amaze me with his strength. I still think his Battle Royal victory would've been better had he gotten a chance to toss Swagger too.

There were two potential disappointments for me: Undertaker's loss but, frankly, they put on a better match than I thought they could and if they can get Brock full-time it gives them a beast of a bad guy (especially given the babyface turn that Roman and The Shield are undergoing).

The other disappointment was the Cena win. I would've been better with his win had he at least gone crazy and tried to destroy Bray so that Bray gets the mental victory and Cena the physical one. I thought the crowd was very much into the match though given the unprompted singing as well.

I was pretty good with everything else though.

[jbergey22]

I get a kick out of WWE fans that think they should be able to book the matches. It would get boring in a real hurry if that fans always got their way.

Good WM. I thought Daniel could have sold better after the match was over but.... great performance.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Pretty good tweet from Ol' JR

I feel now like how I did when that bastard Bruce Dern killed John Wayne in 'The Cowboys.'

The Streak is over.

#WrestleMania

— Jim Ross (@JRsBBQ) April 7, 2014

[Carman Bulldog]

So giving this some thought, let's assume this is Taker's last match. The old school mentality is that you go out on your back. If you are the Undertaker (and an admitted avid MMA fan at that) would you rather go out and lose the streak against the only person to ever win a NCAA wrestling Division 1 Championship, WWE Championship and UFC Championsip and generally someone who is considered amongst the most legit toughest fighters on the planet or... anyone else?

[SirFozzie]

Putting aside, at least for the moment, it's not a work (Undertaker is carny enough that he would do something like this), looks like one of the reasons why the match was so disjoineted was that Undertaker got his bell rung pretty good and was pulling an audible.

WWE News: Undertaker taken to hospital after WrestleMania 30

Prowrestling.net can confirm reports that Undertaker (Mark Calaway) was taken by ambulance to a hospital in New Orleans after his WrestleMania 30 match with Brock Lesnar on Sunday. It is believed that he suffered a concussion during the match

edit: Meltzer updated that they're going to keep him overnight for observation, a possible neck injury and concussion symptoms.

[Matthean]

Further proof he should be done.

[Neuqua]

Supposedly Undertaker is the one who wanted this finish. He picked Brock.

[dubb93]

They announced Network sub numbers today. So far it seems their stock is down over 20%.

[jbergey22]

Good time to buy!

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Good time to buy!

Not if they don't get the TV rights fee increases they were talking about.