2014 FIFA World Cup - Page 52

flere-imsaho · 07-01-2014, 01:18 PM

The problem with Argentina, from a match-up perspective, is that even if they're hit a bad run of form, you're always going to run the risk with a superstar like Messi (same for Ronaldo, Neymar, etc...) that they're just going to have one of those games, and you won't really have a chance.

albionmoonlight · 07-01-2014, 01:19 PM

As you pick your beer choices today, remember that Budweiser is actually owned by a Belgian conglomerate, despite their fake "all american" image.

Drink American. Real American.

flere-imsaho · 07-01-2014, 01:20 PM

This Argentina team could really use Diego Simeone, the player. Gabriel Batistuta, for crosses, wouldn't be a bad idea either....

OK, I'm showing my age now....

Barkeep49 · 07-01-2014, 01:28 PM

That's why I don't want the US to play Argentina.

kingfc22 · 07-01-2014, 01:29 PM

And somebody finally finishes off a Messi creation.

PilotMan · 07-01-2014, 01:30 PM

No one can knock Messi in this Cup, he has been everything to this team. Not sure they'd be anywhere near here without him.

Butter · 07-01-2014, 01:30 PM

Di Maria didn't deserve to score today.

PilotMan · 07-01-2014, 01:31 PM

What drama.

Butter · 07-01-2014, 01:32 PM

Holy shit.

DaddyTorgo · 07-01-2014, 01:35 PM

Fuck fuck fuck. Heartbreak for Switzerland!

Easy Mac · 07-01-2014, 01:36 PM

The Swiss only have themselves to blame. Maybe if they had put forth some effort to score over the last 75 minutes instead of defending the whole time.

Solecismic · 07-01-2014, 01:40 PM

At some point late in the first half, the Swiss seemed content to play for penalties. We saw how dangerous they can be in the last couple of minutes of the game. I don't know why, especially against a creator like Messi, they felt they could last that long without conceding. There were times in the second half and in extra time when it was hard to tell which direction the Swiss were going on offense.

Messi may not have the numbers, but I'd have to consider him and Rodriguez the overwhelming favorites for player of the tournament at this point.

flere-imsaho · 07-01-2014, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

I don't know why, especially against a creator like Messi, they felt they could last that long without conceding.

Absolutely. I think generally playing for penalties is a bad thing (unless you are hopelessly, hopelessly outclasses and going to penalties is a significant upgrade to your chances), but trying to hold out against a team with sufficient invention like that is almost suicide.

kingfc22 · 07-01-2014, 02:01 PM

US Going with a 5-4-1 with Dempsey up top which means we are essentially playing a 5-5-0.

Let the counter attack commence and hopefully our defenders don't flub everything up.

rowech · 07-01-2014, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

US Going with a 5-4-1 with Dempsey up top which means we are essentially playing a 5-5-0.

Let the counter attack commence and hopefully our defenders don't flub everything up.

It's being labeled as a 4-3-3. I'm not a fan of it at all.

Chief Rum · 07-01-2014, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

US Going with a 5-4-1 with Dempsey up top which means we are essentially playing a 5-5-0.

Let the counter attack commence and hopefully our defenders don't flub everything up.

Isn't that what we went with versus Portugal?

Coffee Warlord · 07-01-2014, 02:17 PM

Is Beckerman hurt?

kingfc22 · 07-01-2014, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Isn't that what we went with versus Portugal?

We had a fairly standard 4-5-1 against Portugal which I think plays a bit better to our strengths. I wish we would have stuck with that and put in Mix for Zusi.

Coffee Warlord · 07-01-2014, 02:19 PM

From L to R, back to front:

Howard
Beasley, Besler, Gonzalez, F. Johnson
Jones, Bradley, Cameron
Zusi, Dempsey, Bedoya

rowech · 07-01-2014, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Is Beckerman hurt?

No. Rumor I read is saving him so as not to get 2nd yellow. If that's the case, it's stupid.

DaddyTorgo · 07-01-2014, 02:22 PM

Really? No Beckerman? When he's been so solid?

So that what - you can get Gonzalez and Cameron on the field at the same time? That's a weird fucking decision Klinsy.

We'll see how this plays out. I gave us roughly a 40% chance of winning before seeing the lineups...now...I dunno.

Vince, Pt. II · 07-01-2014, 02:22 PM

What are the chances Bradley isn't godawful today? I'm going to go with 20%.

MrBug708 · 07-01-2014, 02:31 PM

Sounds like Johnson will be more interchangable with Cameron on the right side so Fab can make more forward runs

Alf · 07-01-2014, 02:34 PM

So far, only Mexico has been able to qualify for the 1/4 final after finishing 2nd of group stage. Can the USA do it too ?

MrBug708 · 07-01-2014, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alf

So far, only Mexico has been able to qualify for the 1/4 final after finishing 2nd of group stage. Can the USA do it too ?

Mexico is out.

flere-imsaho · 07-01-2014, 02:36 PM

I think he meant historically, right?

MrBug708 · 07-01-2014, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I think he meant historically, right?

Off the top of my head, the US finished second in group in 2002 and made the quarter finals.

Easy Mac · 07-01-2014, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

From L to R, back to front:

Howard
Beasley, Besler, Gonzalez, F. Johnson
Jones, Bradley, Cameron
Zusi, Dempsey, Bedoya

I'd think its more of a 4-2-1-2-1 formation.

-------------Demspey---------
Bedoya--------------------Zusi
------------Bradley------------
-------Jones------Cameron-----
Beasley-Beslar-Gonzalez-Johnson

flere-imsaho · 07-01-2014, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Off the top of my head, the US finished second in group in 2002 and made the quarter finals.

Yeah, it doesn't seem likely, I was just trying to guess what he meant.

Coffee Warlord · 07-01-2014, 02:40 PM

I was hoping Klinsy would get a little crazy and toss Wondo out there.

whomario · 07-01-2014, 02:42 PM

USA USA

have fun and best of luck

also, re "the 82 incident Schuhmacher/Batiston" : The german team sure was on fire that tournament when it came to creating pissed off opponents ...

Easy Mac · 07-01-2014, 02:42 PM

Its not like Dempsey would play defense if he is in the midfield. He has to be out there, so probably better to use him up top and try to play out of the back. At least Zusi and Bedoya track back. And its not like Wondo or Johansson are target men.

claphamsa · 07-01-2014, 02:56 PM

USA USA USA

Coffee Warlord · 07-01-2014, 02:58 PM

EAT FREEDOM, BELGIUM.

Abe Sargent · 07-01-2014, 02:59 PM

Let's go.....

Coffee Warlord · 07-01-2014, 03:02 PM

Let's stop that shit right now.

Galaxy · 07-01-2014, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Let's stop that shit right now.

Seriously, do they not learn after the 11th time?

kingfc22 · 07-01-2014, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Seriously, do they not learn after the 11th time?

sterlingice · 07-01-2014, 03:08 PM

I'm actually pretty happy with our gameplan so far

SI

Coffee Warlord · 07-01-2014, 03:11 PM

Wings are making a lot of lonnnnng runs. Hopefully we don't get gassed after 45 minutes.

Coffee Warlord · 07-01-2014, 03:18 PM

Bradley's inability to complete pass to his own side continues, I see.

Galaxy · 07-01-2014, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Wings are making a lot of lonnnnng runs. Hopefully we don't get gassed after 45 minutes.

We're really pushing that back line.

kingfc22 · 07-01-2014, 03:20 PM

Why we don't keep possession for longer than 5 seconds is annoying.

Abe Sargent · 07-01-2014, 03:20 PM

Good flowing moves there for us

Coffee Warlord · 07-01-2014, 03:23 PM

Starting to pass a little better, and Belgium's gotten sloppy with the ball.

MrBug708 · 07-01-2014, 03:23 PM

Lucky there

Coffee Warlord · 07-01-2014, 03:26 PM

Galaxy · 07-01-2014, 03:28 PM

Getting sloppy.

MrBug708 · 07-01-2014, 03:30 PM

We are in trouble now..

kingfc22 · 07-01-2014, 03:31 PM

Damn. Johnson has been one of our best players this tourney.

07-01-2014, 01:29 PM	#2555
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	And somebody finally finishes off a Messi creation. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-01-2014, 01:30 PM	#2556
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	No one can knock Messi in this Cup, he has been everything to this team. Not sure they'd be anywhere near here without him. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops.

07-01-2014, 01:30 PM	#2557
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Di Maria didn't deserve to score today. __________________ My listening habits

07-01-2014, 01:31 PM	#2558
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	What drama. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops.

07-01-2014, 01:32 PM	#2559
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Holy shit. __________________ My listening habits

07-01-2014, 01:18 PM	#2551
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	The problem with Argentina, from a match-up perspective, is that even if they're hit a bad run of form, you're always going to run the risk with a superstar like Messi (same for Ronaldo, Neymar, etc...) that they're just going to have one of those games, and you won't really have a chance.

07-01-2014, 01:19 PM	#2552
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	As you pick your beer choices today, remember that Budweiser is actually owned by a Belgian conglomerate, despite their fake "all american" image. Drink American. Real American.

07-01-2014, 01:20 PM	#2553
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	This Argentina team could really use Diego Simeone, the player. Gabriel Batistuta, for crosses, wouldn't be a bad idea either.... OK, I'm showing my age now....

07-01-2014, 01:28 PM	#2554
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	That's why I don't want the US to play Argentina.

07-01-2014, 01:35 PM	#2560
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Fuck fuck fuck. Heartbreak for Switzerland!

07-01-2014, 01:36 PM	#2561
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	The Swiss only have themselves to blame. Maybe if they had put forth some effort to score over the last 75 minutes instead of defending the whole time.

07-01-2014, 01:40 PM	#2562
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	At some point late in the first half, the Swiss seemed content to play for penalties. We saw how dangerous they can be in the last couple of minutes of the game. I don't know why, especially against a creator like Messi, they felt they could last that long without conceding. There were times in the second half and in extra time when it was hard to tell which direction the Swiss were going on offense. Messi may not have the numbers, but I'd have to consider him and Rodriguez the overwhelming favorites for player of the tournament at this point.

07-01-2014, 02:01 PM	#2564
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	US Going with a 5-4-1 with Dempsey up top which means we are essentially playing a 5-5-0. Let the counter attack commence and hopefully our defenders don't flub everything up. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-01-2014, 02:17 PM	#2567
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Is Beckerman hurt?

07-01-2014, 02:19 PM	#2569
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	From L to R, back to front: Howard Beasley, Besler, Gonzalez, F. Johnson Jones, Bradley, Cameron Zusi, Dempsey, Bedoya

07-01-2014, 02:22 PM	#2571
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Really? No Beckerman? When he's been so solid? So that what - you can get Gonzalez and Cameron on the field at the same time? That's a weird fucking decision Klinsy. We'll see how this plays out. I gave us roughly a 40% chance of winning before seeing the lineups...now...I dunno.

07-01-2014, 02:22 PM	#2572
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	What are the chances Bradley isn't godawful today? I'm going to go with 20%.

07-01-2014, 02:31 PM	#2573
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Sounds like Johnson will be more interchangable with Cameron on the right side so Fab can make more forward runs

07-01-2014, 02:34 PM	#2574
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	So far, only Mexico has been able to qualify for the 1/4 final after finishing 2nd of group stage. Can the USA do it too ? __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats

07-01-2014, 02:36 PM	#2576
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	I think he meant historically, right?

07-01-2014, 02:40 PM	#2580
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	I was hoping Klinsy would get a little crazy and toss Wondo out there.

07-01-2014, 02:42 PM	#2581
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	USA USA have fun and best of luck also, re "the 82 incident Schuhmacher/Batiston" : The german team sure was on fire that tournament when it came to creating pissed off opponents ... __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!” Last edited by whomario : 07-01-2014 at 02:46 PM.

07-01-2014, 02:42 PM	#2582
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Its not like Dempsey would play defense if he is in the midfield. He has to be out there, so probably better to use him up top and try to play out of the back. At least Zusi and Bedoya track back. And its not like Wondo or Johansson are target men.

07-01-2014, 02:56 PM	#2583
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	USA USA USA __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-01-2014, 02:58 PM	#2584
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	EAT FREEDOM, BELGIUM.

07-01-2014, 02:59 PM	#2585
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Let's go..... __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-01-2014, 03:02 PM	#2586
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Let's stop that shit right now.

07-01-2014, 03:08 PM	#2589
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I'm actually pretty happy with our gameplan so far SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

07-01-2014, 03:11 PM	#2590
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Wings are making a lot of lonnnnng runs. Hopefully we don't get gassed after 45 minutes.

07-01-2014, 03:18 PM	#2591
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Bradley's inability to complete pass to his own side continues, I see.

07-01-2014, 03:20 PM	#2593
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Why we don't keep possession for longer than 5 seconds is annoying. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-01-2014, 03:20 PM	#2594
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Good flowing moves there for us __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-01-2014, 03:23 PM	#2595
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Starting to pass a little better, and Belgium's gotten sloppy with the ball.

07-01-2014, 03:23 PM	#2596
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Lucky there

07-01-2014, 03:26 PM	#2597
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Eep.