College Football Week 6 discussion

[Grammaticus]

Yes, chances are both schools will have a loss by then, but the Egg Bowl is shaping up to be brutal. Definitely the year where both teams average the highest quality.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by tarcone

I cant wait for the Egg Bowl. Potential to be the best ever.

Unless Auburn has beaten both of them already. Then it's still the best ever buuuuut ...

Not saying Auburn will mind you, just what-iffing.

It would kinda be SEC-esque if one of the Mississippi schools beats Auburn, the other doesn't but then that loser wins the Egg Bowl.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

What if Michigan goes 6-6 but somehow beats Ohio State, does he stay then?

There are growing parts of the MSU fanbase that think Michigan is embarrassing. Not struggling, not having a bad season, embarrassing. The change in attitude between the two fanbases in Spartan country is significant. Usually you get a decent mix of people wearing stuff from both schools during gameday. Yesterday MSU fans were out in mass as much as ever. During my 8.5 hour shift yesterday I saw two people wearing something Michigan related. Two.

Michigan could suffer its third sub .500 season in 11 years while only having two 10+ win seasons in that time frame. Before this time frame, Michigan hadn't been bellow .500 since 1967. That 18 year old recruit was 7 during the time frame where Michigan was essentially still Michigan. Is Michigan in danger of losing the state in terms of a generation? Absolutely, and there's no way in hell Michigan wants that.

I can't fathom Michigan beating either MSU or OSU although OSU likes making the games closer than they should be. All it takes is another loss outside of those for a sub .500 record. There's more than enough remaining in that schedule to provide at least a third loss.

Remember, a coach is done once he losses his team. You know that happens when the coach and players spend a week defending against the idea that the coach has lost his players. That's already happened and it wasn't this past week. Michigan has played 6 games. They have beaten App. State and Miami(OH). I'm not hopeful PSU is being added to that list.

Originally Posted by TroyF

I think there was ONE unquestioned winner yesterday:

The Big 1G

The PAC 12 is no longer assured a place at the table now. Stanford getting beat at ND, USC dumping one, UCLA and Oregon going down at home. . . you simply cannot say they are getting a spot at the table now.

So, you figure 1 SEC, 1 Big12, 1 ACC or Indy (winner of FSU/ND game) and then a fourth. That fourth could be a second SEC or Big 12 team. . . but it could now just as easily be a Big 1G team. I don't think it's likely, but the possibility has now opened up for Michigan State and Ohio State.

I think this is one year where the SEC turns into a bloodbath so I don't see a second team getting in. I highly doubt any conference gets a second one in unless the bloodbath extends to more than one conference. I just think it is a pick four from 5 and the one left out is likely going to have a case. I just know that if Oregon and MSU finish with the same records, Oregon should get the nod or many people will be pissed.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I think this is one year where the SEC turns into a bloodbath so I don't see a second team getting in. I highly doubt any conference gets a second one in unless the bloodbath extends to more than one conference. I just think it is a pick four from 5 and the one left out is likely going to have a case.

Conference title games could make for serious insanity.

What if -- somehow -- an SEC East upsets the survivor of the West?
What if -- somehow -- an ACC Coastal upsets a previously unbeaten #1 FSU?
(that might be a Winston high ankle sprain away from happening)
What if a 2-loss Northwestern beats the presumptive B1G champ from the East?

I think whoever emerges from the Pac title game has a slot.
I think whoever wins the B12 gets a slot (unless it's a total bloodbath between now & then)

But the other 3 conferences? Could I say the title game champion is truly guaranteed? I don't think so, not today at least.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Conference title games could make for serious insanity.

What if -- somehow -- an SEC East upsets the survivor of the West?
What if -- somehow -- an ACC Coastal upsets a previously unbeaten #1 FSU?
(that might be a Winston high ankle sprain away from happening)
What if a 2-loss Northwestern beats the presumptive B1G champ from the East?

If one happens, things are okay. I can't imagine NW winning the Big Ten. I mean, maybe if it was against OSU, but MSU held Nebraska to 47 rushing yards, 21 of Nebraska's 37 rushes MSU's defense made contact at or behind the line. The only reason that game got close was MSU let up and Nebraska took advantage. That's fundamentally taking away the strength of a team. I don't see NW being good enough to counter that good of a defense. Not when MSU knows it is a win away from the playoffs.

The SEC East being Georgia? That's the only team I can remotely talk myself into for the SEC East champ that I could see giving the West champ a go. If the West champ has a run defense, then no.

There's a lot of teams an ankle sprain away from being out of the playoffs.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Matthean

The SEC East being Georgia? That's the only team I can remotely talk myself into for the SEC East champ that I could see giving the West champ a go. If the West champ has a run defense, then no.

Florida got better, albeit still not "good", with the QB change yesterday. And they're just a win in Jax over Georgia away from maybe winning the East. I think they're mediocre on a good day ... and yet somehow here they are in the mix still. Funny things happen.

[CU Tiger]

Holy LSD trip, Batman.
These new polls...uhhh...wow.

If EA allowed their polls to swing like this people would race back to Gamestop to trade in the disc.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Holy LSD trip, Batman.
These new polls...uhhh...wow.

If EA allowed their polls to swing like this people would race back to Gamestop to trade in the disc.

I wrestled mightily today with my own. I had less insanity (maybe) than the nationals will have, but not by a lot. It's the most complex week I can recall facing.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Florida got better, albeit still not "good", with the QB change yesterday. And they're just a win in Jax over Georgia away from maybe winning the East. I think they're mediocre on a good day ... and yet somehow here they are in the mix still. Funny things happen.

You mentioned Florida. I rest my case.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I wrestled mightily today with my own. I had less insanity (maybe) than the nationals will have, but not by a lot. It's the most complex week I can recall facing.

I can understand a lot of difficult rankings this week.

But when is the last time a team went from unranked (29th)to 10th
or
25th to 9th

Ole Miss beats Bama for their first win of the year and are suddenly 3rd.

Granted I realize it doesnt matter right now...but the SEC having 7 of the top 25 because they started there and beat cupcakes and each other is tough to swallow.

[Matthean]

The beauty of it is that there are more games and it will tend to work itself out.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I can understand a lot of difficult rankings this week.

But when is the last time a team went from unranked (29th)to 10th
or
25th to 9th

Ole Miss beats Bama for their first win of the year and are suddenly 3rd.

Granted I realize it doesnt matter right now...but the SEC having 7 of the top 25 because they started there and beat cupcakes and each other is tough to swallow.

I didn't believe Miss State until yesterday. Now I think they could run the table as much as Ole Miss. (They actually got a bigger upgrade from me than Ole Miss did)

That said though, those kinds of jumps you mentioned are part of having so many teams in front of them lose, an unprecedented number in the top 8. Ole Miss climbed, what, 8 spots? 5 of those are from teams ahead of them losing. Otherwise they go maybe 11 to 7 and it doesn't seem so extreme.

[tarcone]

I love Mississippi St.s QB. He is a flat out stud, who is having a tremendous year.
Forget the NW talk. Iowa is the cream of the B!G West. Oh brother. And Iowa could lose to Indiana next Saturday.

My 4 playoff teams right now are FSU, Mississippi St, Baylor, Michigan St.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I didn't believe Miss State until yesterday. Now I think they could run the table as much as Ole Miss. (They actually got a bigger upgrade from me than Ole Miss did)

That said though, those kinds of jumps you mentioned are part of having so many teams in front of them lose, an unprecedented number in the top 8. Ole Miss climbed, what, 8 spots? 5 of those are from teams ahead of them losing. Otherwise they go maybe 11 to 7 and it doesn't seem so extreme.

But Jon, is the ACC had the same preseason rankings and Miami had one loss and GT beat them...should they be #2 or #3...

I just dont think the SEC is that invincible.

Forgive me and my Orange Color glasses...but I see watched a team outside the top 25 yesterday that can play with any team in the country.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Coastal with a td

I watched the end of this game after getting back to my in-laws' from Clemson / NC State.

Was surprised to see Furman made it a game after the rant you had on them earlier.

Also surprised to see Van Earl Wright as the sideline reporter? Of Headline News fame back when they had Sports at :20 past the half hour?

[panerd]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Florida got better, albeit still not "good", with the QB change yesterday. And they're just a win in Jax over Georgia away from maybe winning the East. I think they're mediocre on a good day ... and yet somehow here they are in the mix still. Funny things happen.

The reigning SEC East champ is undefeated in the SEC and controls their own destiny and outside of LSU this year Arkansas/A&M looks like it might be the easiest draw of SEC West teams.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

But Jon, is the ACC had the same preseason rankings and Miami had one loss and GT beat them...should they be #2 or #3...

I just dont think the SEC is that invincible.

Forgive me and my Orange Color glasses...but I see watched a team outside the top 25 yesterday that can play with any team in the country.

Except they had their chance against an SEC team (some say the 4th-5th best one) and laid a huge egg so yes you do have orange color glasses on. This should be the year to beat South Carolina though right?

And GT has a chance against that same Georgia team later in the year to show the ACC is quality.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

But Jon, is the ACC had the same preseason rankings and Miami had one loss and GT beat them...should they be #2 or #3...

I just dont think the SEC is that invincible.

Forgive me and my Orange Color glasses...but I see watched a team outside the top 25 yesterday that can play with any team in the country.

If you mean Clemson, uh, no. 45-21 against Georgia and the only reason they were close to FSU is due to Winston being out.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

But Jon, is the ACC had the same preseason rankings and Miami had one loss and GT beat them...should they be #2 or #3...

Miami has one player of note. The joke there is that they were considered anything more than an also-ran in the first place. That was legacy/history, not reality.

I just dont think the SEC is that invincible.

Half of it ain't ... most of which is in the East.

Hell, I'd figure Arkansas beats anybody in the ACC outside of FSU.

Forgive me and my Orange Color glasses...but I see watched a team outside the top 25 yesterday that can play with any team in the country.

With Watson, maybe up to a point I'd agree with you. But they're sub-500 if they were in the SEC West this year, same as most of the rest of the country.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by panerd

Except they had their chance against an SEC team (some say the 4th-5th best one) and laid a huge egg so yes you do have orange color glasses on. This should be the year to beat South Carolina though right?

And GT has a chance against that same Georgia team later in the year to show the ACC is quality.

And I'll give UGA credit they haven't avoided playing good competition unlinke most of the SEC. If Clemson even qualifies as good.

But lets recap.
UGA beat Clemson, yes. But it was a tied game in the 4th quarter despite Clemson sitting 5 defensive starters for a suspension and having 2 more starters (for the game) second stringers out with injury.

But UGA is #13 in the country and Clemson is unranked.

OK..

Start at #15 and go down and tell me any team that wouldn't be a 7 point underdog to Clemson...I'll wait.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

With Watson, maybe up to a point I'd agree with you. But they're sub-500 if they were in the SEC West this year, same as most of the rest of the country.

We will just agree to disagree for now and see what the future holds.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

And I'll give UGA credit they haven't avoided playing good competition unlinke most of the SEC. If Clemson even qualifies as good.

But lets recap.
UGA beat Clemson, yes. But it was a tied game in the 4th quarter despite Clemson sitting 5 defensive starters for a suspension and having 2 more starters (for the game) second stringers out with injury.

But UGA is #13 in the country and Clemson is unranked.

OK..

Start at #15 and go down and tell me any team that wouldn't be a 7 point underdog to Clemson...I'll wait.

For some perspective I rate Clemson ahead of GT, as the 2nd best team in the ACC. I have the Tigers #22 in my own poll.

But to your question, starting from AP #15, on a neutral field, I would not pick them to beat ... much less give 7 points ... to anyone other than:

Ohio State (who I have 24) Georgia Tech (#25) and Utah (who I did not rank). I'd call ECU a toss up. There'd be several shootouts, but there's nobody else I'd pick them over based on where things are today.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

We will just agree to disagree for now and see what the future holds.

Absolutely.

[cuervo72]

Actually, what IS the basis for UGA being ranked #13?

Beat a currently unranked Clemson, lost to a South Carolina team that has now lost 3 in the SEC including to KENTUCKY, won by 3 over a pretty meh Tennessee, and blowouts against Troy and Vandy. So, they're #13 on the basis of preseason hype and the Clemson win?

Does Vegas have a ranking system? I feel like Vegas should have a ranking system.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I see watched a team outside the top 25 yesterday that can play with any team in the country.

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

If Clemson even qualifies as good.

(whistles innocently)

OSU would be an easy pick to be better than -7 against Clemson.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Actually, what IS the basis for UGA being ranked #13?

Have you watched 'em?

I hate those bastards worse than pretty much anything you can name, and it's not the least bit hyperbole when I say I'd pull for the Al Qaida All-Stars against them in a women's JV water polo exhibition ... but it's a pretty good football team (when the coaches let them be anyhow)

Gurley is a bad mutha, and they've got a stable of back 4 deep that could start for at least half the teams in D1 tomorrow. Questionable hands at WR, questions perhaps about the QB, questions about their secondary for sure. But with those backs, they're dangerous against nearly anybody.

[cuervo72]

Yeah, I know. And going down the list, I realized that hey -- none of these other teams has done anything either, because they've pretty much all played a bunch of patsies or some lessers in their own conferences. Still struggling to accept that the whole thing is speculation, despite how important the arbitrary rankings are to folks.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Matthean

(whistles innocently)

OSU would be an easy pick to be better than -7 against Clemson.

Oklahoma State at #16...might be a great game I haven't watched them this yet. If you meant Ohio State...I'll just laugh and move on.

I'm in a grumpy mood today so me arguing CFB wont go well so I'll bow out.

But I'll submit that in 7 weeks Clemson will be 10-2 and talking about deserving consideration for the #4 spot.

I'll also submit that if the coaching staff listened to the half the free world and let DW#4 start his first game in Athens they may have a Top 5 ranking right now..

[cartman]

Where do I pick up my Nostradumbass award? From back in 2011:

Originally Posted by cartman

If Ole Miss could ever get an Xs and Os coach that could also recruit to keep the in-state talent coming to Oxford, they would be a force to be reckoned with.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by cartman

Where do I pick up my Nostradumbass award? From back in 2011:

Only you didnt know it would cost 936,000 to get the best player from
GA, FL, MS, and TN in the same year.

Hugh Freeze is a weird dude...has the personality of a paperweight...and Gene chizik once said to me, "I dont know how he sleeps at night. Ive never seen a dirtier head coach." and he wasnt being intentionally ironic, nor would I say inaccurate.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Hugh Freeze is a weird dude...has the personality of a paperweight...and Gene chizik once said to me, "I dont know how he sleeps at night. Ive never seen a dirtier head coach." and he wasnt being intentionally ironic, nor would I say inaccurate.

I've said for months that they're the dirtiest program in the country right now, hands down. The eventual boom that they'll bring down on themselves might be SMU proportions, I believe they're THAT dirty.

But 'til they're caught, they're starting to look kinda dangerous.

[CU Tiger]

Agree on the dangerous part...disagree on the the "boom"....the NCAA asks the SECs for it's penis so they can take a piss these days.

They will not hammer anyone ever again. If SC and Auburn got away with what they did (and that says nothing of what UNC did) nothing will come of Ole Miss..

Project 8/6/13 is well under way...and I said as much 18 month ago. Coincidence that Clemson and FSU are both top 5 recruiting programs right now?

Nah.

[Dutch]

AP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida State (35) 5-0 1461
2 Auburn (23) 5-0 1459
3 Mississippi State (2) 5-0 1320
3 Ole Miss 5-0 1320
5 Baylor 5-0 1258

Wow, that is just soooo bizarre. Love it!

[BishopMVP]

CU Tiger's post reminded me... Gene Chizik won a national title 3 years ago. Sometimes unexplainable shit happens in CFB.

[Grammaticus]

So there are 3 SEC west teams in the top 3. I think Auburn and miss st play each other next week.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

So there are 3 SEC west teams in the top 3.

And none of those 3 are Alabama, LSU, or A&M... What sort of odds could you have gotten on that even a month ago?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

So there are 3 SEC west teams in the top 3. I think Auburn and miss st play each other next week.

There won't be in the end. I know people love to hammer the ESPN and SEC thing, but those top 4 will only include one SEC team in the end.

[CU Tiger]

PUI is not a good thing for me..,

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

There won't be in the end. I know people love to hammer the ESPN and SEC thing, but those top 4 will only include one SEC team in the end.

I think in the end, having multiple one loss teams in the SEC without an undefeated team does just the opposite. Barring three clear undefeated teams in other conferences, the SEC will get two one loss teams in the playoffs. If there was one clear SEC champ, that wouldn't happen.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

And none of those 3 are Alabama, LSU, or A&M... What sort of odds could you have gotten on that even a month ago?

Especially if you include that none of the three in the top three would be ranked number one.

[HomerSimpson98]

I think the Miss State love needs a tapping of the breaks. I like Prescott and their run game alot but their defense is highly questionable. I can see them losing 2-3 when this plays out, especially if Prescott gets dinged up. If they can get past Auburn tho, that sked really plays out well for them, outside of a trip to T-Town.

Ole Miss, now, damn. If Prescott was QB'ing in Oxford, then this could be the team to beat. But Wallace is such a walking CF, I am positive the Rebs will flame out soon. Biased I know, but i think A&M knocks off Ole Miss this Saturday. Either that or Ole Miss wins by 30

Auburn is looking unbeatable right now.