Planned Parenthood = Disgusting

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

So what happens when it IS true? Do you have to be a special kind of smart?

This isn't going to happen, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I get that it's difficult, but where do people think fetal tissue comes from?

In all honestly, I'd wager that at least 50% of the country has never once thought about the fact that when fetal tissue changes hands there's cash involved. Not consciously actually thought about that aspect of it is what I mean.

Then again, I'd probably place a small bet that at least 25, maybe up to 33 percent of the country doesn't realize that it's used for any purpose for any reason.

[lighthousekeeper]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

In all honestly, I'd wager that at least 50% of the country has never once thought about the fact that when fetal tissue changes hands there's cash involved. Not consciously actually thought about that aspect of it is what I mean.

Then again, I'd probably place a small bet that at least 25, maybe up to 33 percent of the country doesn't realize that it's used for any purpose for any reason.

I'll admit that the existence or even concept of "fetal tissue" had never entered my consciousness at all prior to this week.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper

I'll admit that the existence or even concept of "fetal tissue" had never entered my consciousness at all prior to this week.

Same, although it certainly makes sense now that I do hear of it. miked's post was pretty enlightening and sensible.

[miked]

By the way, at most universities this is a highly regulated procedure. I just can't walk to a clinic, flash my cards, pay some cash, and walk away with something (if I were doing the research). There are many of school-level approvals, as well as funding institutes, journals, and more.

[ISiddiqui]

I've learned quite a bit about it after the initial hmm... I like this article on it:

Actually We Should Encourage Women Who Have Abortions to Donate Fetal Tissue to Science - Hit & Run : Reason.com

If abortion is legal, why not use the products of that for scientific research (ie, for good). If you are against abortion, go after abortion, not potential good things that may be able to come from it.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I've learned quite a bit about it after the initial hmm... I like this article on it:

Actually We Should Encourage Women Who Have Abortions to Donate Fetal Tissue to Science - Hit & Run : Reason.com

If abortion is legal, why not use the products of that for scientific research (ie, for good). If you are against abortion, go after abortion, not potential good things that may be able to come from it.

I disagree with this. As I have stated earlier I am pro choice but can respect that people consider abortion murder. And if this is the case there is no rosy side to good things that come out of it. At the risk of invoking Goodwin it would be like a proponent of eugenics explaining the positives.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by panerd

I disagree with this. As I have stated earlier I am pro choice but can respect that people consider abortion murder. And if this is the case there is no rosy side to good things that come out of it. At the risk of invoking Goodwin it would be like a proponent of eugenics explaining the positives.

I am anti-abortion, pro-choice, and support fetal tissue research.

[Suicane75]

I'll eat the fuckin thing straight if it'll help me live.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

I'll eat the fuckin thing straight if it'll help me live.

[NobodyHere]

Anti-abortion hackers attack Planned Parenthood, release databases, employee data

Now I'm no fan of Planned Parenthood. I even agree with Rand Paul that the government shouldn't be funding them.

But I hate hackers even worse.

[MrBug708]

This story gets more bizarre

[cartman]

Looks like the guys who released the doctored videos might be in a bit of pickle.

Legal Problems Are Piling Up For The Activists Behind Abortion Videos - BuzzFeed News

[stevew]

So about this video...

[stevew]

"In one statement, made after the suspect was taken in for questioning, Dear said 'no more baby parts' in reference to Planned Parenthood, two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case told NBC News.
"But the sources stressed that Dear said many things to law enforcement and the extent to which the 'baby parts' remark played into any decision to target the Planned Parenthood office was not yet clear. He also mentioned President Barack Obama in statements."

[BillJasper]

If the attack was done by a brown Muslim, people would really be upset and fear for their lives. Or so they say.

[Dutch]

Your point?

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Your point?

This was a terrorist act. But because it was committed by a white christian - and not a dark-skinned muslim - it's not being described that way by the MSM.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

This was a terrorist act. But because it was committed by a white christian - and not a dark-skinned muslim - it's not being described that way by the MSM.

It's really simply topical.

Quick, when was the last murder of an abortion doctor or staff at a clinic before Friday?

2009. One doctor was killed in Wichita, KS.

Before that? We go back to 1998.

What is topical? Cops. Cops are topical. If this was a white cop who had went into a predominantly black Planned Parenthood, you would see the media explode.

It's the same reason a white guy who gets shot by the police is nothing more than a blip on the radar. (there have been 11 white people killed by Minnesota police this year. I'm betting not one person in another state can tell you one of their names.

The media put the spin that gets the most viewers. Nothing more, nothing less.

Edit: One more note, I'm not angry at the media or BLM for protesting the death of a minority. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone will use every lever in place to get that agenda out there. The media? Ugh. . .

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

This was a terrorist act. But because it was committed by a white christian - and not a dark-skinned muslim - it's not being described that way by the MSM.

hehe, the MSM hasn't liked "white people" since ~1980, so if they are mishandling your agenda, you might want to talk with them about it, I've got no control over it anymore (sans FoxNews). Sorry bro.

Meanwhile, on my www.bing.com/news front page:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-sp...ry?id=35469417

Sources told ABC News the Justice Department is building a domestic terrorism case against Dear, though it would only move forward if somehow the state capital case was sidetracked.

...right there about 2 paragraphs into the news article for ALL to see...maybe y'all are just bullshitting about all this?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

If the attack was done by a brown Muslim, people would really be upset and fear for their lives. Or so they say.

Originally Posted by dawgfan

This was a terrorist act. But because it was committed by a white christian - and not a dark-skinned muslim - it's not being described that way by the MSM.

You two are funny... Fight the power... and reality...

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by TroyF

It's really simply topical.

Quick, when was the last murder of an abortion doctor or staff at a clinic before Friday?

2009. One doctor was killed in Wichita, KS.

Before that? We go back to 1998.

What is topical? Cops. Cops are topical. If this was a white cop who had went into a predominantly black Planned Parenthood, you would see the media explode.

It's the same reason a white guy who gets shot by the police is nothing more than a blip on the radar. (there have been 11 white people killed by Minnesota police this year. I'm betting not one person in another state can tell you one of their names.

The media put the spin that gets the most viewers. Nothing more, nothing less.

Edit: One more note, I'm not angry at the media or BLM for protesting the death of a minority. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone will use every lever in place to get that agenda out there. The media? Ugh. . .

Since 2009, no murders, buts lots of bombings, including 3 this year, seems topical to me:

January 1, 2012: Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, firebombed the American Family Planning Clinic in Pensacola, Florida, with a Molotov cocktail; the fire gutted the building. Rogers told investigators that he was motivated to commit the crime by his opposition to abortion, and that what more directly prompted the act was seeing a patient enter the clinic during one of the frequent anti-abortion protests there. The clinic had previously been bombed at Christmas in 1984 and was the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994.[I 43]
April 1, 2012: A bomb exploded on the windowsill of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wisconsin, resulting in a fire that damaged one of the clinic's examination rooms. No injuries were reported.
April 11, 2013: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Bloomington, Indiana, was vandalized with an axe.[I 44]
September 4, 2015: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Pullman, Washington was intentionally set on fire. No injuries were reported due to the time of day, but the FBI was involved because of a history of domestic terrorism against the clinic.[I 45]
September 30, 2015: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Thousand Oaks, California was vandalized by an arsonist or arsonists who authorities believe smashed out a window, splashed gasoline inside the clinic, and then ignited it.[18]
October 22, 2015: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Claremont, New Hampshire was vandalized by a juvenile intruder. Damaged in the attack were computers, furniture, plumbing fixtures, office equipment, medical equipment, phone lines, windows, and walls. The flooding that resulted from the vandalism also damaged an adjacent business.[I 46][I 47]

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by AENeuman

Since 2009, no murders, buts lots of bombings, including 3 this year, seems topical to me:

January 1, 2012: Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, firebombed the American Family Planning Clinic in Pensacola, Florida, with a Molotov cocktail; the fire gutted the building. Rogers told investigators that he was motivated to commit the crime by his opposition to abortion, and that what more directly prompted the act was seeing a patient enter the clinic during one of the frequent anti-abortion protests there. The clinic had previously been bombed at Christmas in 1984 and was the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994.[I 43]
April 1, 2012: A bomb exploded on the windowsill of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wisconsin, resulting in a fire that damaged one of the clinic's examination rooms. No injuries were reported.
April 11, 2013: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Bloomington, Indiana, was vandalized with an axe.[I 44]
September 4, 2015: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Pullman, Washington was intentionally set on fire. No injuries were reported due to the time of day, but the FBI was involved because of a history of domestic terrorism against the clinic.[I 45]
September 30, 2015: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Thousand Oaks, California was vandalized by an arsonist or arsonists who authorities believe smashed out a window, splashed gasoline inside the clinic, and then ignited it.[18]
October 22, 2015: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Claremont, New Hampshire was vandalized by a juvenile intruder. Damaged in the attack were computers, furniture, plumbing fixtures, office equipment, medical equipment, phone lines, windows, and walls. The flooding that resulted from the vandalism also damaged an adjacent business.[I 46][I 47]

Is this Domestic Terrorism?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2448171

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Is this Domestic Terrorism?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2448171

No idea, what do you think?

[cuervo72]

Probably not, strictly speaking:

ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Just as mob killings probably wouldn't be classified as terrorism. If this PP shooting indeed was motivated by the abortion issue, it is politically motivated.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by AENeuman

Since 2009, no murders, buts lots of bombings, including 3 this year, seems topical to me:

January 1, 2012: Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, firebombed the American Family Planning Clinic in Pensacola, Florida, with a Molotov cocktail; the fire gutted the building. Rogers told investigators that he was motivated to commit the crime by his opposition to abortion, and that what more directly prompted the act was seeing a patient enter the clinic during one of the frequent anti-abortion protests there. The clinic had previously been bombed at Christmas in 1984 and was the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994.[I 43]
April 1, 2012: A bomb exploded on the windowsill of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wisconsin, resulting in a fire that damaged one of the clinic's examination rooms. No injuries were reported.
April 11, 2013: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Bloomington, Indiana, was vandalized with an axe.[I 44]
September 4, 2015: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Pullman, Washington was intentionally set on fire. No injuries were reported due to the time of day, but the FBI was involved because of a history of domestic terrorism against the clinic.[I 45]
September 30, 2015: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Thousand Oaks, California was vandalized by an arsonist or arsonists who authorities believe smashed out a window, splashed gasoline inside the clinic, and then ignited it.[18]
October 22, 2015: A Planned Parenthood clinic in Claremont, New Hampshire was vandalized by a juvenile intruder. Damaged in the attack were computers, furniture, plumbing fixtures, office equipment, medical equipment, phone lines, windows, and walls. The flooding that resulted from the vandalism also damaged an adjacent business.[I 46][I 47]

I'm not trying to be rude here, but what is your point? When it comes to the media, it's about DEATH. Period. Most of the incidents above relate to vandalism. Hell, the last one was a juvenile. Do you think it was a political statement or was it just an idiotic kid doing something stupid?

On average, about 250 churches are set ablaze by arsonists each year. You don't really hear about them because nobody dies. Set a church ablaze and a Sunday School class burns? You'll get your story.

My point isn't political here. It's about the topical nature of the media.

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I'm not trying to be rude here, but what is your point? When it comes to the media, it's about DEATH. Period. Most of the incidents above relate to vandalism. Hell, the last one was a juvenile. Do you think it was a political statement or was it just an idiotic kid doing something stupid?

On average, about 250 churches are set ablaze by arsonists each year. You don't really hear about them because nobody dies. Set a church ablaze and a Sunday School class burns? You'll get your story.

My point isn't political here. It's about the topical nature of the media.

I do agree it often takes a death to start the story. I just think that the story this week will be examining the connection between the video and all the violence towards clinics this year. Real or not.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Probably not, strictly speaking:



Just as mob killings probably wouldn't be classified as terrorism. If this PP shooting indeed was motivated by the abortion issue, it is politically motivated.

Cool.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by AENeuman

I do agree it often takes a death to start the story. I just think that the story this week will be examining the connection between the video and all the violence towards clinics this year. Real or not.

There will be little read articles on the liberal side that will talk about it. The conservative media won't report that side of the story at all.

The only way this story gets bigger than what it is now is if three more clinics get shot up before Christmas. Then the story will take off. At this point it isn't much different than an idiot shooting up a theater. A one off psychopath.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by AENeuman

I do agree it often takes a death to start the story.

Actually, more often than not, death doesn't start the story.

5 Devastating Facts About Black-on-Black Crime - Breitbart

The story usually starts when somebody with an agenda writes about it....and those stories, I'll agree, are mostly written by white folks...liberal and conservative.

Nobody's agenda, apparently, includes the mass murdering going on in the inner city...probably because those are Democratic Party strongholds and the MSM is controlled by those with a Democratic Party bent...and any attempt to discuss it from the right is met with the usual racist mantra from the left.

[JPhillips]

So until jihadis kill as many white Americans as other white Americans we should stop worrying about it?

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So until jihadis kill as many white Americans as other white Americans we should stop worrying about it?

Settle down, nobody's saying we can't multi-task.

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Actually, more often than not, death doesn't start the story.

5 Devastating Facts About Black-on-Black Crime - Breitbart

The story usually starts when somebody with an agenda writes about it....and those stories, I'll agree, are mostly written by white folks...liberal and conservative.

Nobody's agenda, apparently, includes the mass murdering going on in the inner city...probably because those are Democratic Party strongholds and the MSM is controlled by those with a Democratic Party bent...and any attempt to discuss it from the right is met with the usual racist mantra from the left.

Totally agree, MSM reports only that which generates revenue.

However, it seems to me there has been a lot of discussion of the murders in Chicago. What part of it the story is being withheld by the dem/MSM conspiracy? I know Fox, NPR, Rush and Huff have spent lots time on it. In fact, it might be the most popular topic no one is talking about.


On a side note, withheld has a double h, how is cool is that?

[panerd]

The human psyche is interested in stories that "could have been me". Most of us aren't traveling in high crime areas in Chicago or involved in an affair that leads to a murder. However we all go to the movies, have children in schools... Hence we are more interested in these stories.

Just like the controversy of Paris coverage vs Beirut. We all could see a romantic vacation in Paris, most of us probably aren't ever stepping foot in Lebanon.

[cuervo72]

Pretty sure I've said it in another thread, but I am certain I saw reports about the 9yo on the network evening news. I don't recall hearing about this cop shooting until the video came out and he was charged.

eta: Cops: Chicago boy Tyshawn Lee, 9, was lured into alley in targeted killing - CBS News

also: http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/...g-561313859881

[RainMaker]

Both were heavily reported in Chicago. Only one brought out huge protests though.

[nol]

It's almost as if the person who committed the first murder is actively being hunted for and will be sentenced to life in prison while the police covered up evidence of the second murder for almost a year. Typical lamestream media only covering the more sensational story though.

[Jukeman]

Re 5 Devastating facts about black on black crime.

http://youtu.be/o_S6PSCwo3c

[Thomkal]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/politi...inkId=19301404

Hey at least the Republicans reached their goal of getting a bill in front of Obama that he has no chance of signing into law-yeah progress. :::sigh:::

[Thomkal]

So all that talk from Republicans that they were going to shutdown the government over Planned Parenthood funding...and then they remembered there was an election to win...

A Big Win for Planned Parenthood*|*Robert Kuttner

[JPhillips]

Texas PP investigation ends with indictments...

A Harris County grand jury probe into Planned Parenthood of the Gulf Coast ended Monday with the indictments of two anti-abortion activists.

David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt were both indicted for tampering with a governmental record. An additional indictment for prohibition of the purchase and sale of human organs was issued for Daleiden, according to a release from the Harris County District Attorneys Office.

"We were called upon to investigate allegations of criminal conduct by Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast," said Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson. "As I stated at the outset of this investigation, we must go where the evidence leads us. All the evidence uncovered in the course of this investigation was presented to the grand jury. I respect their decision on this difficult case."

[Thomkal]

Gee I wonder if the Republicans will apologize to Planned Parenthood now?

[PilotMan]

What?! As far as the people who really care are concerned, this was a kangaroo court, and the decision was all done in back room deals and part of a much larger political cover up. So no. The people demand "JUSTICE!" Let the anger go and double down on those claims! The TRUTH is OUT there.....somewhere, and when they find it, they'll tell you all about it and how it's all connected to the Illuminati.

[Thomkal]

You've been watching X-Files haven't you PM?

[Thomkal]

wonder if this ends Fiorina's run for President. She might have been the most vocal/persistent in bringing this up.

[SirFozzie]

They haven't let facts get in the way on so many other issues,why would this one be different?