2020 election break down discussion thread

[GrantDawg]

Since we aren't allowed to continue in the same thread we had even though there is some subjects that are related to the election that doesn't fit in other threads, here is a thread for the post election.

Nate Cohen posted an interesting post-election break down. Worth a read:

A few random thoughts this morning on what Democrats should take from the election results, as the recriminations and so on begin

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 14, 2020

[JPhillips]

lol

Fight the power!

[Lathum]

Hydra FTW

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

lol

Fight the power!

I am a rebel without a clue.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Hydra FTW

GrantDawg right now:



SI

[Toddzilla]

Wait a minute - we got LOLs, a Spike Lee reference, and a movie clip.

Can we get this split into separate threads please?

[Drake]

All I know is that I've had the champagne on ice for a week and a half waiting on Ben to finally call the election and make it official.

[GrantDawg]

They found 2,600 uncounted ballots in Floyd county, Ga. It won't overturn the election (probably a net +800 for Trump), but is definitely going to be a huge GOP talking point. Ugh.

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[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They found 2,600 uncounted ballots in Floyd county, Ga. It won't overturn the election (probably a net +800 for Trump), but is definitely going to be a huge GOP talking point. Ugh.

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Are these legit ballots or mail in ballots? Should they be counted? Do we have watchers for when they're counted? If so are they close enough? Do we know if any dead people's ballots are included? Were they filled out with a Sharpie?

I mean, there are so many questions that we need answers to before we just stsrt counting ballots.

[GrantDawg]

They are early voting ballots that the machine didn't count. The county knew they had a shortage of counted ballots from the recorded votes, and they discovered it was the scanner not reading these ballots during the recount.

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[Ksyrup]

I suppose "break down" in connection with the election can include family. So far since November 3rd, I've had my sister-in-law hang up on us and call my mother-in-law crying in hysterics because I dared explain to her that there isn't any evidence of election fraud and I won't believe it until an attorney puts his/her license on the line, and apparently over the weekend, my wife's aunt blocked the mother-in-law on FB after an argument in the comments of some FB post.

Totally normal. Society and family relationships will be just fine going forward, I'm sure.

[GrantDawg]

Another amazing stat from Georgia: Black turnout was actually down compared to non-black voters. It was actually suburban whites that put Biden over the top.

How Georgia turned blue: Huge gains in the Atlanta suburbs make up for a decline in the Black share of the electoratehttps://t.co/GdEN57oNeZ

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 17, 2020

[larrymcg421]

The Texas results are crazy. We've never had two candidates get more than 4 million votes in the same year. This year, we had two candidates get more than 5 million votes. Even when counting for population increases, that's impressive.

[JPhillips]

Turnout was so crazy in CA that it's projected to be the state with the most Trump votes, and he barely broke 34% total.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Another amazing stat from Georgia: Black turnout was actually down compared to non-black voters. It was actually suburban whites that put Biden over the top.

How Georgia turned blue: Huge gains in the Atlanta suburbs make up for a decline in the Black share of the electoratehttps://t.co/GdEN57oNeZ

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 17, 2020

To be clear, black turnout was up, but affluent, college-educated and older voters in the suburbs around Atlanta was WAAAAY up - and for Biden.

The suburbs going blue have been a gradual shift in the last decade+, but has really accelerated in the last 4 years.

[larrymcg421]

Yeah another big sign of the blue shift in GA is that it wasn't just anti-Trump. Lucy McBath beat Karen Handel by 9.2% and Handel is a classic suburban Republican. Also, Dems got a pickup in GA-7, another heavily suburban district.

[miked]

Home prices have really shot up in the North Dekalb area and lots of people either are looking to the burbs for some better deals or looking for better schools since Dekalb County schools are a shitshow. The top rated schools are mostly in Gwinett, Cobb, and bordering on Forsyth counties (plus Johns Creek). Most of my "liberal" colleagues are moving out that way.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by miked

Home prices have really shot up in the North Dekalb area and lots of people either are looking to the burbs for some better deals or looking for better schools since Dekalb County schools are a shitshow. The top rated schools are mostly in Gwinett, Cobb, and bordering on Forsyth counties (plus Johns Creek). Most of my "liberal" colleagues are moving out that way.

My wife and I just bought a house in suburban Roswell. The neighborhood we're moving to is filled with Biden, Ossoff, Warnock, and Black Lives Matter signs. I didn't see a single Trump sign.

[larrymcg421]

Also, I continue to be fascinated by Cobb County, the center of Newt Gingrich's old political base. Prior to Hillary winning it narrowly last election, a Dem hadn't won it since Carter (and he lost it in his re-election bid). Here are the results since Carter....

2020 - D+14
2016 - D+2
2012 - R+12
2008 - R+9
2004 - R+25
2000 - R+23
1996 - R+20
1992 - R+20
1988 - R+46
1984 - R+54
1980 - R+13
1976 - D+13

I expected Biden to win it again, but +14 is shocking. The Dems also won a DA and Sherriff race (ousting a longtime incumbent).

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Yeah another big sign of the blue shift in GA is that it wasn't just anti-Trump. Lucy McBath beat Karen Handel by 9.2% and Handel is a classic suburban Republican. Also, Dems got a pickup in GA-7, another heavily suburban district.

Yeah but no one likes Handel. Not even Republicans.

Bourdeaux winning was a nice pick up though.

[GrantDawg]

Good God. They just found another 2,700+ votes that were not counted originally because of a memory card. It was in Fayette county, another Trump county. The vote total is now a 12,929 lead by Biden. No recount has ever had this big a vote swing, but is still not going up be enough to change it.

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[Ksyrup]

Trump's Nevada electors, including the chair of the Nevada Republican Party, are suing to either have Trump declared the winner of Nevada or to have the presidential election in the state annulled entirely.

— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) November 17, 2020

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Good God. They just found another 2,700+ votes that were not counted originally because of a memory card. It was in Fayette county, another Trump county. The vote total is now a 12,929 lead by Biden. No recount has ever had this big a vote swing, but is still not going up be enough to change it.

Queue 'those are the ones they wanted us to find' to hide the real fraud talking points.

[sterlingice]

Sigh

SI

[Ksyrup]

This is interesting, as a side note to the election fraud allegations everywhere.

Mysterious candidate who likely swayed tight Florida Senate race under investigation
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/pol...247238749.html

[JPhillips]

Even though Trump has gone 1-25 in lawsuits, the GOP is still working towards a longshot chance of the House picking the winner. The GOP statehouse leaders in PA are now asking to join one of Trump's lawsuits regarding cured ballots.

It's amazing how much of the GOP is comfortable with the idea of a coup so long as it means they win. Hard to see how we step away from the ledge before 2024.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Even though Trump has gone 1-25 in lawsuits, the GOP is still working towards a longshot chance of the House picking the winner. The GOP statehouse leaders in PA are now asking to join one of Trump's lawsuits regarding cured ballots.

It's amazing how much of the GOP is comfortable with the idea of a coup so long as it means they win. Hard to see how we step away from the ledge before 2024.

Not sure how they think that helps them in any way. The house is not going to choose Trump.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Not sure how they think that helps them in any way. The house is not going to choose Trump.

The House votes based on state delegations, not individual members. Republicans control the majority of state delegations in the House, even as Democrats have a slim majority of seats held.

That's why Trump is pushing to foul things up enough for the House to choose the President. He doesn't think Republicans have the balls to pick Biden as President.

[Ksyrup]

Update - Trump is now 1-28. And if that 1 win is the PA observer lawsuit, the appeals court actually ruled that the election officials handled it properly, so technically that ended up as a loss, too.

[BYU 14]

Well, at least he is consistent in both his business and legal success rate.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

To be clear, black turnout was up, but affluent, college-educated and older voters in the suburbs around Atlanta was WAAAAY up - and for Biden.

The suburbs going blue have been a gradual shift in the last decade+, but has really accelerated in the last 4 years.

This is really interesting. I don't pay close attention since I moved away from Atlanta, but Gwinnett and Cobb I thought were very solidly red, it was very nice to see that shift.

[ISiddiqui]

Yep, Newt Gingrich's former district (the borders have shifted a bit though) is not represented by a black female Democrat - who just won re-election by ~10 points.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Radii

This is really interesting. I don't pay close attention since I moved away from Atlanta, but Gwinnett and Cobb I thought were very solidly red, it was very nice to see that shift.

Yeah, I put the Cobb numbers up above. Bill Clinton lost it by 20 in back to back elections he won. Hillary narrowly won it last election and Biden dominated this one.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Well, at least he is consistent in both his business and legal success rate.

It's amazing how somebody who is so thoroughly incompetent can bumble his way into being elected president of the greatest democracy on the planet. Or at least the former greatest democracy.

[JPhillips]

This is whatever lies beyond insane.

Sidney Powell, Mike Flynn's lawyer now working for Trump, says the election was rigged by "communist money" and a scheme devised by the late Hugo Chavez, President of Venezuala. pic.twitter.com/8XTnRHCzAM

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 19, 2020

[QuikSand]

re-posting here, i can't sort out the thread spaghetti now

I feel very sorry for the people who believe the bullshit we just heard. There are a lot of broken people who are being lied to and many of them want to believe the lie because their religion has become politics and they cannot believe their god is abandoning them.

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) November 19, 2020

[ISiddiqui]

Don't say that, Ben will combine every thread into one!

[Brian Swartz]

That would actually be pretty entertaining. Have all Off Topic condensed into one thread discussing religion, politics, sports, the weather, streaming services, COVID, anything and everything in between.

Good recipe for moderators going insane I'd say.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Kodos

It's amazing how somebody who is so thoroughly incompetent can bumble his way into being elected president of the greatest democracy on the planet. Or at least the former greatest democracy.

The new gold standard of The Peter Principle

[Ksyrup]

This kinda says it all.

Any future GOP candidate for the presidency who fails to condemn Trump's anti-American post-election antics will be politically DOA.

Any future GOP candidate for the presidency who *does* condemn Trump's anti-American post-election antics will also be politically DOA.

Checkmate

— CLA (@ConservativeLA) November 19, 2020

[GrantDawg]

Ruling came down in Arizona on one of the cases, and not only did they rule against the GOP but they said the SOS office can file to recoup legal fees from the GOP. They only allow that when the judge finds the case meritless and only meant to harrass and delay.

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[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This kinda says it all.

Any future GOP candidate for the presidency who fails to condemn Trump's anti-American post-election antics will be politically DOA.

Any future GOP candidate for the presidency who *does* condemn Trump's anti-American post-election antics will also be politically DOA.

Checkmate

— CLA (@ConservativeLA) November 19, 2020

Supporting Trump will have zero negative consequences.

[JPhillips]

Trump's lawyers make it clear the election should be overturned.

Sidney Powell: "The entire election, frankly, in all the swing states should be overturned and the legislatures should make sure that the electors are selected for Trump" pic.twitter.com/gA6aFVhvdt

— Jason Campbell (@JasonSCampbell) November 19, 2020

[GrantDawg]

Georgia Judge (Trump appointment) threw out the case in Georgia because of lack of standing.

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[GrantDawg]

He also said "there is no constitutional right to monitor." He is slamming them.

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[ISiddiqui]

https://www.ajc.com/politics/breakin...utputType=wrap

The manual recount in Georgia confirms that Biden won.

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[GrantDawg]

It is fun to watch Trump lose again.

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[CrimsonFox]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/polit...lts/index.html

that's what I'm talkin' about!

Ginally a republican that stands up to trump and pets bs

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It is fun to watch Trump lose again.

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i never thought of it that way but I AM getting tired of this and I expect Trump and his pets to call the guy tomorrow to threaten him.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

i never thought of it that way but I AM getting tired of this and I expect Trump and his pets to call the guy tomorrow to threaten him.

You haven't seen? He's already gotten numerous death threats. Not from trump directly, but certainly wouldn't be getting them if he wasn't there.