FBI Opens Investigation into Shooting of Michael Brown

[RainMaker]

Carelessly firing 4 shots off in a residential neighborhood is psycho behavior and a sign the person never took any kind of firearms training.

[GrantDawg]

That's a very interesting opinion, but the fact is you cannot drive a vehicle at an officer, or anyone for that matter. A car is a deadly weapon, and they will shoot you.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Carelessly firing 4 shots off in a residential neighborhood is psycho behavior and a sign the person never took any kind of firearms training.

I've seen videos of some of the detainments they've made and you can tell they lack training. No muzzle discipline, no awareness of where the person they're detaining is in relation to their holstered weapon, pointing the weapon randomly at bystanders, struggling to handcuff the person.

It's similar to the shit I saw when they put every soldier out guarding gates and inspecting vehicles without training in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

[Lathum]

I've defended the police shootings in plenty of these threads but this is a dreadful shooting. She was angling the car to the right and the cop was at the driver side fender. At best she would graze him and that's highly questionable. This is what happens when you give wildly unqualified people a gun and some authority. The cherry on top in Noems gaslighting statement that completely distorts what actually happened.

[JPhillips]

If it's standard procedure to stand directly in front of a vehicle, it certainly shouldn't be.

[RainMaker]

He was never at risk of being run over and even if he was, he was the guy who ran in front of her vehicle. What trained officer stands in front of a running vehicle during a stop? It's not just dangerous for them but also other officers and pedestrians. Like the whole reason you don't do that is to prevent crossfire and tagging your colleagues.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

That's a very interesting opinion, but the fact is you cannot drive a vehicle at an officer, or anyone for that matter. A car is a deadly weapon, and they will shoot you.

Yes, when you want to run someone over, you typically backup first and then turn your wheels away from the person.

[GrantDawg]

He was on the side of the vehicle. She backed up and put him in the front of the vehicle.

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

He was on the side of the vehicle. She backed up and put him in the front of the vehicle.

That’s a very interesting opinion

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

He was on the side of the vehicle. She backed up and put him in the front of the vehicle.

You must be looking at an entirely different video. She backed up so she could turn to get away because he had a gun drawn, most likely because she was scared. These people know nothing about de-escalation, they go straight to drawing guns. She was blocking them with her car. She wasn't a threat until THEY escalated it.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

He was on the side of the vehicle. She backed up and put him in the front of the vehicle.

You are watching the same video as the rest of us? All the gunshots came from the side. She literally backed up and turned her wheels away from him. He was mad that she was leaving and shot her dead. Then fled the scene.

[HerRealName]

I don’t know how anyone could watch that video and come to the conclusion those actions were justified. It's even worse if reports are correct and she was told, "Get out of here"

[RainMaker]

It seems like she was given contradictory instructions. One yelling to get out of there and the others coming to her car to grab her. Reminds me of the Daniel Shaver murder.

[GrantDawg]

I'm not keep arguing this. It is like Kyle Rittenhouse all over again. We will see what happens in court.

[RainMaker]

Rittenhouse was a private citizen, not an actor of the state. This will never go to court outside of a hush hush civil settlement.

[RainMaker]

The other question is if this was a legitimate shooting, why did the officer flee the scene and why did the government lie about the officer being seriously injured and at the hospital? Those are not the actions of people who were working within the confines of the law.

[DanGarion]

This is by far the best quality of the video I have found.

Watch ICE Murder Vid-3 1-7-2026 | Streamable

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I'm not keep arguing this. It is like Kyle Rittenhouse all over again. We will see what happens in court.

I'm not a lawyer. When I say the shooting wasn't justified I'm talking about morality. Do you think the ICE shooter was morally justified?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by HerRealName

I'm not a lawyer. When I say the shooting wasn't justified I'm talking about morality. Do you think the ICE shooter was morally justified?

They morally shouldn't exist. I'm only talking about the legal.

[JPhillips]

It won't matter, but looks like they were outside of their training.

John Miller: If you're confronted by a moving vehicle that could be a threat to you, get out of the way. I'm reading to you from DHS policy; 'DHS law enforcement officers are prohibited from discharging firearms at the operator of a moving vehicle or other conveyance.'

[RainMaker]

They have no legal authority to do anything to her anyway. They aren't the police. It's 3 guys in masks and an unmarked vehicle trying to gain access to her vehicle.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I'm only talking about the legal.

Oh, did the legality of ICE-related activities become a thing again when I wasn't looking?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They morally shouldn't exist. I'm only talking about the legal.

I don't really get this argument either. ICE had no authority to arrest or search her. No authority to pull her out of her car. She is a woman surrounded by armed men in masks and unmarked cars who are about to violate her rights. She has the right to flee from a crime being committed to her just like anyone does.

Having a job with the federal government doesn't allow you to live under purge rules where you get to do whatever you want.

And you're right that nothing will happen because it's a fascist country. That's what happens under fascism. But from a legal perspective, the men were violating her rights and then murdered her because they were mad. Not only should the shooter be charged with murder, but the accomplices should be charged with felony murder. That is what we would charge any other citizen with if they did this. And trust me, if you and a bunch of armed men cornered a woman and stood in front of her car, you would not be able to claim self-defense and kill her.

[Ghost Econ]

Conservatives are legitimately insane. There's no other explanation. Believing that someone didn't commit a crime and deserves to be murdered because law enforcement told them two different things is literally a mental disorder.

[cuervo72]

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100...ing-video.html

[dubb93]

Has anyone explained why she was in the road. I’m genuinely curious because it looks like she was leaving before someone cut her off. I’m curious if she was actually blocking the road intentionally or was just kind of stuck in the middle. Even if she was blocking that’s obviously not a justification to be shot.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

He was on the side of the vehicle. She backed up and put him in the front of the vehicle.

I'm sorry, but these two sentences and a ridiculously absurd interpretation of what happened. I can only assume you're just jumping through hoops so you can relitigate past arguments about Rittenhouse or how people should behave when pulled over by the police. It's still pretty gross and morally reprehensible to criticize a dead woman who clearly backed up and turned her wheels to get away from masked men drawing guns, at least one of whom was telling her to leave.

[Lathum]

Has the officer recovered yet or is he still in the hospital fighting for his life?

[RainMaker]

NY Times pointed out that the officer who shot her was recording on his cellphone at the same time. That seems like incredibly important evidence that you would want on file if the shooter didn't flee the scene.

Originally Posted by dubb93

Has anyone explained why she was in the road. I’m genuinely curious because it looks like she was leaving before someone cut her off. I’m curious if she was actually blocking the road intentionally or was just kind of stuck in the middle. Even if she was blocking that’s obviously not a justification to be shot.

Not sure but in Chicago they would have people block half the street, double park, or put a dumpster on one side so that the ICE vehicles would have to slow down and go around. These are residential neighborhoods and the SUVs were flying down them at like 50 MPH. She might have been part of a group that is out there while kids are walking to or from school.

[Lathum]

The VEN diagram of people who think this was a justified shooting and the people who martyr Ashliegh Babbit is a perfect circle.

[Mota]

If a masked person approaches you, that should immediately be valid for "stand your ground" rules.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Has anyone explained why she was in the road. I’m genuinely curious because it looks like she was leaving before someone cut her off. I’m curious if she was actually blocking the road intentionally or was just kind of stuck in the middle. Even if she was blocking that’s obviously not a justification to be shot.

Her ex-husband came out and said she was not an activist. Not known to be political at all. She had just dropped her 6-year old off at school.

And from the eyewitnesses, it sounds like a car was stuck in the snow on one side so she was trying to maneuver around. She waved cars to go around her as she was adjusting to get around it and you can see in the longer video that cars do go around her. That's when they ran out with guns to abduct her and she took off.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

This is by far the best quality of the video I have found.

Watch ICE Murder Vid-3 1-7-2026 | Streamable

This is flat out murder by the ICE agent. Not only was she not even accused of a violent crime to warrant that level of force, she was simply trying to leave the scene seeing armed officers coming at her for no real reason (outside of maybe obstruction, which she would resolve by leaving).

And shooting the driver of a moving vehicle adds more risk of that car injuring an innocent bystander. It's just awful and Noem acting like this terrorism or some kind of instigated event against ICE by a white US citizen who is a mom is just insanity. Man, the next three years are going to be a slog with this administration.

[Lathum]

JD Vance in a rant today said the ICE officer 6 months ago was dragged by a vehicle and revived 33 stitches so maybe he is a little sensitive about it happening again. If that is the case then the guy shouldn't be anywhere near active duty. Every time they open their mouths they make it worse.

[RainMaker]

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/0...eral-operation

Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”
“She was trying to turn around, and the ICE agent was in front of her car, and he pulled out a gun and put it right in — like, his midriff was on her bumper — and he reached across the hood of the car and shot her in the face like three, four times,” Heller said.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/0...eral-operation

That isn’t even the worst shit in that article. This shit is bordering on what a well regulated militia was designed to prevent. I hope it doesn’t come to that but one one day they shot a mom dropping her kid off at school and then assaulted parents and faculty at a high school. How is this able to be condoned by anyone at this point?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I'm sorry, but these two sentences and a ridiculously absurd interpretation of what happened. I can only assume you're just jumping through hoops so you can relitigate past arguments about Rittenhouse or how people should behave when pulled over by the police. It's still pretty gross and morally reprehensible to criticize a dead woman who clearly backed up and turned her wheels to get away from masked men drawing guns, at least one of whom was telling her to leave.

Dude. You think so very low of me, that does hurt. Like I want to relive the Rittenhouse thing? F- that. I really don't like to be on the unpopular side of things at all. I just call things as i see them. My heart break for that woman. I fully think she panicked. People make mistakes all the time and sometimes it has dire consequences.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by dubb93

That isn’t even the worst shit in that article. This shit is bordering on what a well regulated militia was designed to prevent. I hope it doesn’t come to that but one one day they shot a mom dropping her kid off at school and then assaulted parents and faculty at a high school. How is this able to be condoned by anyone at this point?

There is no opposition party and the media for the most part supports this.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

This is where I will get people angry, but it was a justifiable shooting. She drove the car at the cop, or at least close enough that he can claim self defense. The fact that they didn't allow her to have medical assistance is another matter all together, and they should lose their jobs for that. But if a police officer (even one of these yokels) tells you to stop and get out of the car, stop and get out of the car. They might shoot you anyway, but they are for sure going to shoot you if you drive your car at them.


Edit: watched the video multiple times. At best you can say the second shot was after the car was pulling past him, but that first shot was when the officer is right at the driver-side head light. The defense is going to be that officers are trained to shoot to kill, the driver was still behind the wheel of a deadly vehicle. I would say there is almost no chance he will get charged.

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

That's a very interesting opinion, but the fact is you cannot drive a vehicle at an officer, or anyone for that matter. A car is a deadly weapon, and they will shoot you.

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

He was on the side of the vehicle. She backed up and put him in the front of the vehicle.

These are your three previous posts about this situation. Zero remorse expressed for the victim until now, just lots of finger pointing and blame.

And what I said is the only conclusion I can come to because your view of the situation is just not what happened. To say that she drove at the ICE officer is just an incredibly fucking absurd view of the situation. If you're not eager to relitigate Rittenhouse or whatever other incident, then I have no idea what the fuck you're doing, because it makes no sense.

That ICE officer is a murderer and you want to act like his defense attorney/MAGA apologist and blame the victim. It's really hard to deal with all of the crap going on right now, and your posts just struck a nerve because these MAGA/ICE assholes will only get away with this because of bullshit rationalizations like the ones you made in this thread.

[GrantDawg]

Edit: Erased this. I hate when I thought what could be an adult discussion becomes these personal attacks. I don't want to stoop to that level.

[dubb93]

The question to me on what basis can ICE conduct a traffic stop and does ICE have the authority to enforce traffic violations. Those are the legal questions that need answered.

[larrymcg421]

I'm looking at the facts contained in the video footage and several other people across the political spectrum have agreed with my interpretation.

She did not drive at the ICE officer. That just didn't happen no matter how many times you say it. A bunch of masked people come at her with guns drawn, give confusing instructions, she backs up and turns her wheels right so she can drive away, and she is murdered.

The fact that you even admit the second shot came after she was driving away and STILL defend the officer is pretty telling.

[flere-imsaho]

I think we can all agree that if she had just shown her ID to the officers she would have been completely fine, perhaps after a perfectly reasonable 3-day detention.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I think we can all agree that if she had just shown her ID to the officers she would have been completely fine, perhaps after a perfectly reasonable 3-day detention.

She definitely wasn’t about to get ripped out of that vehicle and pummeled. You can’t convince me she was in any danger.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by dubb93

The question to me on what basis can ICE conduct a traffic stop and does ICE have the authority to enforce traffic violations. Those are the legal questions that need answered.

There is none. They have no authority to arrest, detain or search her. They shot her for driving away from an illegal stop.

[Arles]

ICE agents are basically government sponsored bounty hunters. It’s wild what they are allowed to get away with.

[GrantDawg]

CNN has a new angle that shows the officer definitely was purposely trying to block her in. The ICE agent definitely set up a death trap. I was wrong, but was just going off the first video.

[RainMaker]

This is the killers angle.

�� BREAKING: Allen Analysis Newsroom has obtained cellphone footage showing the federal agent’s perspective in the ICE-involved shooting in Minneapolis. pic.twitter.com/fnilst2MEi

— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) January 9, 2026

[JPhillips]

"Fucking bitch"

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

"Fucking bitch"

Tells you all you need to know about the type of people they are recruiting.