02-24-2004, 01:34 AM | #1 | ||
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ESPN has TOTALLY lost it
Compares Duke of now to UCLA of yesteryears....
This obsession with Coach K is rather disturbing and the logic of this article is way off target. |
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02-24-2004, 01:38 AM | #2 |
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Yeah, I mean, c'mon, what has UCLA ever done that they should be compared to Duke?
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02-24-2004, 01:39 AM | #3 |
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*yawn*
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02-24-2004, 01:58 AM | #4 |
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omg i didnt read the article, but if they really compared duke to ucla back in the day, whoever wrote that article should be fired.
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02-24-2004, 08:29 AM | #5 |
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Their logic is that Duke had a much tougher run to any championship and therefore would have dominanted back in that time period as well.
When Duke wins 88 in a row, then maybe you have something in common. |
02-24-2004, 08:40 AM | #6 |
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C'mon now. Did you guys read the article? The author gives multiple props to UCLA as the "peerless" (his word) king of NCAA basketball dynasties. He's just making a case that Duke's dominance of the modern era is equally impressive. When you're done shrieking with agony , consider it rationally and make a case against his points.
I for one agree with him.
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02-24-2004, 08:42 AM | #7 |
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Duke will be trying to avoid its third consecutive loss at Florida State this weekend.
Now, what was this all about?
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02-24-2004, 08:44 AM | #8 |
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So, Duke is really worried about the Marist and Niagara's of the world? Quote:
Smaller field? Are we forgetting the fact that talent was not as spread out at a lot of schools? Not to mention the fact that UCLA probably wouldnt have lost to any of the teams that DIDN'T make the tournament? Quote:
I don't get it? So, UCLA doesnt play every team, they should have an astriek by their championship? Could it be that Kentucky was the SEC's best team and they were too racist earlier on that they weren't that much threat? Big-11? Pul-lease. Think St. Bonnie's, UC Irvine, and TCU had much of a chance at beating UCLA? Quote:
More in less WITHOUT combining 2 "mini dynasties" Quote:
Who cares about the regular season. Had UCLA lost, the "weak" PAC-8 would make a world of difference. They didn't.... ESPN needs to end the Coack K boy toy love. Quote:
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Okay:
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Um, win it, you crazy bastard. Quote:
Fair. However, I argue that it is very difficult to play against a "mediocre" stretch of teams, and then all of a sudden play a great team. This is why coaches now obsess over playing the most difficult schedule possible -- so that their teams will have experience playing against a great team. So for UCLA to play "mediocre" teams and then play the "best" team -- and still beat them, TEN TIMES, says to me that UCLA had a singularly dominant program. Quote:
I don't see how that's a valid comparison. Seems to me that losses are the real judge of NCAA tournaments. 48-4 in fourteen years, or 46-12 in fifteen years? There's a big difference there. |
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02-24-2004, 09:04 AM | #11 |
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umm....
just a thought but..... BASKETBALL SUCKS ASS we now return you to your regularly scheduled boredom.....
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02-24-2004, 10:06 AM | #12 |
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most teams today would dominate the ncaa of yesteryear, what's the point of all this?
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02-24-2004, 02:27 PM | #13 |
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wow... now I know how some of you feel when I defend my Noles... talk about be a blind homer.
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02-24-2004, 03:02 PM | #14 |
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MrBug is a UCLA homer
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02-24-2004, 03:08 PM | #15 |
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Exactly, this is why i kindly stay away from all of his threads
Except this one. But I'll keep my mouth shut.
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02-24-2004, 03:09 PM | #16 |
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"Think St. Bonnie's, UC Irvine, and TCU had much of a chance at beating UCLA?"
Umm, know any history? St Bonaventure with Bob Lanier went unbeaten and deep into the the NCAA tourney until Lanier broke his leg in the Eastern Regional final. Without him, they almost beat Artis Gilmore and Jax, and might have broken UCLA'a streak that season. We'll never know for sure. But they had more than a slim chance of winning that game, if Lanier could have played.
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How....big...of you. I forget this board is biased to the East |
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02-24-2004, 05:42 PM | #19 |
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Just to quote our friend, TK:
Duke really sucks. |
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When Duke wins 7 championships IN A ROW and 80 STRAIGHT WINS then they can have a claim to being as good as UCLA back in the day. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Even mentioning the Duke "dynasty" in the same article as the UCLA dynasty is a joke.
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02-25-2004, 12:55 AM | #24 |
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Come on Tim, my sentence's are not structured that well when sober....
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02-25-2004, 01:07 AM | #26 |
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tell me about it. i see the Cardinals in 3rd place in the weak NL Central, 2 games over .500.
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02-25-2004, 05:29 AM | #28 |
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lol. yea tell duke to win a few championships instead of making the tourney a few times
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02-25-2004, 10:28 AM | #29 |
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No way is Duke like those UCLA teams, but they have a GREAT program with a better Coach and you really can't deny that.
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02-25-2004, 10:38 AM | #30 |
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Point of the article (IMO): Given the modern era of college basketball, Duke's extended period of success, particularly in the tournament, is as impressive as UCLA's undefeated run of championships back in the day.
We're talking about hugely different periods in the evolution of college basketball. It's apples and oranges, guys. Lighten up.
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02-25-2004, 12:54 PM | #34 |
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Based on....?
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It's just my opinion of course, but the closed-mindedness being demonstrated in this thread is remarkable.
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* UCLA record: 620-147
* Led Bruins to four 30-0 seasons (1963-64, 1966-67, 1971-72, 1972-73) * Led Bruins to 88 consecutive victories * Led Bruins to 38 straight NCAA tournament victories * Led Bruins to 149-2 record at Pauley Pavilion * Led Bruins to 19 PAC 10 championships * Led Bruins to 10 national championships, including seven in a row (1966-73) * NCAA College Basketball Coach of the Year six times (1964, 1967, 1969, 1970, 1972, 1973) * During 40 years of coaching, compiled a 885-203 (.813) record Not to take anything away from Coach K he's arguably the best coach of this era, however, he still doesn't hold a candle to John Wooden. Edit: it has nothing to do with closed mindedness. John Wooden's numbers are mind boggling, numbers noone else will approach.
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Oh, I'm very openminded about hating Duke. I hate all Dookies equally.
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I’m not disputing that Wooden’s numbers are phenomenal. He’s the Wizard of Westwood, I know. I’m a Pac-10 lad, so I know how incredible the guy was, believe me
However, Krzyzewski’s numbers are pretty damn incredible in their own right, and they have been compiled in the modern era of college basketball. Do you think Wooden’s numbers would be as good in the same era as Krzyzewski’s? * Duke record: 590-175 (not counting this year) * 20 consecutive NCAA tournament appearances (21 with this year) * 9 Final Four appearances, including 5 in a row (1988-92) * 3 NCAA Championships, including 2 in a row (1991-92) * 9 first place finishes in the ACC (arguably the premier conference in college basketball), as well as 4 second place finishes, plus eight ACC championships *12 National Coach of the Year honors I'm not dissing Wooden! All I'm saying is that it is not as cut-and-dried a choice as some of you seem to think.
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I dunno, I personally don't think duke has as much success, particularly in the tournament as most people. 91-92 they won back to back. then in 01 they won it all. but it seems duke like to choke more often then not when they are favored in the tournament.
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