EHM Franchise Edition

[druez]

I'm really looking forward to this game, but I'm a bit disappointed in it already.

I'm so addicted to the 2d engine in CM4 and 03/04 that it will be hard to go back to play just text mode. I liked CM3 but I like CM4 and new versions even more. So, its going to be a bit hard to step back in time to play the hockey version of CM3.

I don't understand why they didn't do a 2d engine and use the CM4 model for hockey. Anyone else have some thoughts on this topic?

[Tekneek]

Originally Posted by druez

I don't understand why they didn't do a 2d engine and use the CM4 model for hockey. Anyone else have some thoughts on this topic?

CM4 was not ready when they started. It would have delayed it even more.

[druez]

Yes it was a buggy release. But, I thought the teams were seperate that were working on hockey and soccer?

[wig]

They should release it now and call it ".400 Hockey"

[Senator]

the 2D on CM03/04 is addictive. I never would have thought it.

Stupid Plynouth board hates me!

[druez]

Originally Posted by Senator

the 2D on CM03/04 is addictive. I never would have thought it.

Stupid Plynouth board hates me!

You don't like it? I like playing in the key mode. Where its mostly text, but the key plays are diagramed in 2d mode.

[Senator]

No, I love it. I never thought that the 2D would appeal to me. I play the same way. When there is action at the goals it hops into 2D. They were smart to set it up this way.

I just have alot to learn about the sport.

[druez]

I know I was hockey would do the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I know I'm going to love EHM and I'll buy it on release day. I just wanted 2d

[bamcgee]

I also love the 2d. The suspense is brutal.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by druez

I'm really looking forward to this game,
I don't understand why they didn't do a 2d engine and use the CM4 model for hockey. Anyone else have some thoughts on this topic?

Simply speaking this is Riz's first 'commercial' game and I didn't want him to be overstretching himself by making things too ambitious initially (so basically blame me - I talked Riz out of it) .... imho making a realistic hockey sports sim which simulates all the major leagues around the world in itself is a huge undertaking, creating a 2D match view for one would further complicate things beyond a level I felt comfortable with for our first release.

For a comparison, Paul Collyer has over a decades experience at making sports sims and it took him over 18 months working exclusively on the CM4 match engine (and nothing else) to bring that to an adequate level for a first release .... obviously EHM:FE being a new game we have a much smaller and more inexperienced team, hence we couldn't risk the games release by attempting such an implementation.

I know that Riz is excited by the idea of developing such a view and it will undoubtably be developed when the time is right.

Hope this helps,

Marc
PS. The CM3 engine has been heavily enhanced by Riz with such elements as 'snapshots' (ie. you can see the positions of players on the pitch in relation to the text shown from match commentary), shot displays (ie. you can see where on the goal each shot hit) etc.

[Chubby]

now if only i could go into a comp games store or dl and pay for it (and CM) I'd be all set. I'll prob still end up getting EHM:FE but PC games are such an impulse buy for me, if I see something I like I'll just drive to the mall and grab it. I have no patience to wait for it to come in the mail (particularly with futbol as I'll be into it 1 day and couldn't care less the next)

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by Chubby

now if only i could go into a comp games store or dl and pay for it (and CM) I'd be all set. I'll prob still end up getting EHM:FE but PC games are such an impulse buy for me, if I see something I like I'll just drive to the mall and grab it. I have no patience to wait for it to come in the mail (particularly with futbol as I'll be into it 1 day and couldn't care less the next)

You be glad to know you should be able to purchase EHM:FE (and hopefully FM) inside America when they're released

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

You be glad to know you should be able to purchase EHM:FE (and hopefully FM) inside America when they're released

Awesome! I have wanted to get CM so many times when I get on a "futbol kick" but like I said, it's all impulse buys for me. I think that will really help get more of the casual soccer fans over here to give FM a try and will alert all the hardcore (is there such a thing as a casual?) hockey fans over here to SI Games. I was hoping the deal with Sega would facilitate this.

[druez]

I know they sold CM3 as a download for a bit chubby, I wonder if they will ever do that again. I am a big fan of download purchasing, because my out of shape, lazy ass doesn't want to leave my house and I have broadband and a credit card.

[WSUCougar]

Chicks dig me...

Originally Posted by druez

...because my out of shape, lazy ass doesn't want to leave my house and I have broadband and a credit card.

[druez]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

Simply speaking this is Riz's first 'commercial' game and I didn't want him to be overstretching himself by making things too ambitious initially (so basically blame me - I talked Riz out of it) .... imho making a realistic hockey sports sim which simulates all the major leagues around the world in itself is a huge undertaking, creating a 2D match view for one would further complicate things beyond a level I felt comfortable with for our first release.

For a comparison, Paul Collyer has over a decades experience at making sports sims and it took him over 18 months working exclusively on the CM4 match engine (and nothing else) to bring that to an adequate level for a first release .... obviously EHM:FE being a new game we have a much smaller and more inexperienced team, hence we couldn't risk the games release by attempting such an implementation.

I know that Riz is excited by the idea of developing such a view and it will undoubtably be developed when the time is right.

Hope this helps,

Marc
PS. The CM3 engine has been heavily enhanced by Riz with such elements as 'snapshots' (ie. you can see the positions of players on the pitch in relation to the text shown from match commentary), shot displays (ie. you can see where on the goal each shot hit) etc.

Well that makes quite a bit of sense then. Doesn't mean, I can't want it .

Marc, Russ and I at www.hockeyology.com want to do a preview on EHM Franchise Edition. Hockey is one our biggest sites and he covers the Rangers, we already do all the sega sports games. Should we contact you or sega rep about doing this preview? If you aren't busy shoot me an email jason @ sportsology.net

[druez]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Chicks dig me...

Thanks for the plug...

[Karim]

I'm really hesitant about a 2-D view for hockey. If they can pull it off that would be great in a future release but I just don't see how they can capture the speed of the game, especially with so much going on away from the puck, changes on the fly, etc., etc.

[druez]

I really just want a 2d view of the replays or key plays of the game. Such as goals or great saves etc..

[klayman]

Originally Posted by Karim

I'm really hesitant about a 2-D view for hockey. If they can pull it off that would be great in a future release but I just don't see how they can capture the speed of the game, especially with so much going on away from the puck, changes on the fly, etc., etc.

Check out Wayne Gretzky Hockey I and II. It can be done.

[WussGawd]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Awesome! I have wanted to get CM so many times when I get on a "futbol kick" but like I said, it's all impulse buys for me. I think that will really help get more of the casual soccer fans over here to give FM a try and will alert all the hardcore (is there such a thing as a casual?) hockey fans over here to SI Games. I was hoping the deal with Sega would facilitate this.

Gogamer.com. 2 Day Air FedEx is $5.99 for up to 3 games, or overnight it for $9.99.

No, it's not quite the same as a pluck it off the shelf at the local Best Buy, but it's close enough, and there's always the demo to keep you tied up for a day or two.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by druez

I know they sold CM3 as a download for a bit chubby, I wonder if they will ever do that again. I am a big fan of download purchasing, because my out of shape, lazy ass doesn't want to leave my house and I have broadband and a credit card.

This is definitely something I'm in favour of - and hopefully we'll go this route again in the future at some point.

[kserra]

Originally Posted by klayman

Check out Wayne Gretzky Hockey I and II. It can be done.

Oh man, did I ever love those games!!! On my tiny old B&W Mac, what an addictive game...plus you could purchase the additional game that allowed you to import/export rosters into the game, and added GM features (can't remember the name of that add on)...I made some excellent rosters for that game(in my humble opinion)...course I was 12 years old, and my memory's a bit foggy now...

That was the FIRST computer game that got me addicted to career-long sims...playing Strat-o-Matic by yourself just wasn't the same after it...

Kevin

[kserra]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

This is definitely something I'm in favour of - and hopefully we'll go this route again in the future at some point.

Yes, yes...please give us the option to download the game!!!

I, too, love to make impulse purchases on the internet and can't bear the weeklong wait for a game to arrive via mail...and the crowds of adoring fans I attract when I go outside makes it difficult to get to a store...

Kevin

[riz]

Originally Posted by kserra

Oh man, did I ever love those games!!! On my tiny old B&W Mac, what an addictive game...plus you could purchase the additional game that allowed you to import/export rosters into the game, and added GM features (can't remember the name of that add on)...I made some excellent rosters for that game(in my humble opinion)...course I was 12 years old, and my memory's a bit foggy now...

That was the FIRST computer game that got me addicted to career-long sims...playing Strat-o-Matic by yourself just wasn't the same after it...

Kevin

That add-on was HLS2 and it was actually a game on its own as well. We used to play that little game a lot back in those days. It lacked a true year to year career mode, which is why I ended up putting together something of my own

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

This is definitely something I'm in favour of - and hopefully we'll go this route again in the future at some point.

The above quote was in reference to online downloading.. I hope you do go back to that route. I would have bought CM03/04 a while ago as I often will buy games impulsively and I like being able to get the game immediately (well in the time of a broadband download.) As it is, I just purchased CM03/04 from gogamer last night

Now, I just need someone to point me in the right direction of a good site to brush up on general soccer strategy for the relative neophyte.

[druez]

Impulse buying rocks, I love to be able to download games. Anyone checked out the steam thing for Counterstrike? I wonder if the industry will go this route more often.

I know Everquest allows you to buy their expansions online now also.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

The above quote was in reference to online downloading.. I hope you do go back to that route. I would have bought CM03/04 a while ago as I often will buy games impulsively and I like being able to get the game immediately (well in the time of a broadband download.) As it is, I just purchased CM03/04 from gogamer last night

Now, I just need someone to point me in the right direction of a good site to brush up on general soccer strategy for the relative neophyte.

As a download?

[condors]

you don't really need to know much about soccer to play cm.

You can listen to your scouts and go with a default tactic and have success.

the best place is marc's hints and tips

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Chubby

As a download?

No, I'm expecting it to arrive via FedEx by tomorrow I would have very likely bought it much sooner IF it was available as a download.