Anyone buy Baseball Mogul 2005?

amdaily · 06-04-2004, 10:01 PM

Probably not, but I thought I check anyways

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As far as I can tell a draft (finally) and transaction screen are the only improvements. So in other words, it's Mogul 2004 repackaged, just as 2004 was 2003 repacked and so on.

I hope there are some positives as I'd love an alternative to OOTP, which runs too slow on machine.

Dutch · 06-04-2004, 10:55 PM

I waited for it's release, I waited for it's release.......and then I waited for it's release some more. When it finally came out, there was a big fizzzzzz as the air was let out and nobody cared.

I had purchased BM2k3 and BM2k4. I purhcased OOTP4 and OOTP5. I wasn't doing that anymore (buying both that is). I went ahead and got OOTP6. It's obviously more in-depth, a reason I prefer Baseball Mogul actually, but it looks like the wheels are falling off of that company, and OOTP is just getting warmed up.

21C · 06-05-2004, 01:37 AM

I've been supporting Mogul for a while - I bought 2000, 2003, 2004 and now 2005. I agree that there haven't been huge strides in the game - new versions look like last year's model with a new paint job.

I keep buying because I've been running a Baseball Mogul league for 4 earth years and 22 baseball seasons ( although I stepped away from the commissioner duties for a while ). Clay has made some nice improvements which don't justify everyone upgrading from year to year but I like to support him for his past efforts - if I ( and others ) don't then the game disappears ( yes, I do hear the tree falling in the forest ).

Besides that, Clay and Sports Mogul keep the game at a user-friendly price of $20 - a bargain price for me. I pay the guy who mows my lawn more. In case you're interested, they reduced the price of past versions to almost give-away prices. 10 bucks for Mogul 2004 and 5 bucks for 2003. See http://www.sportsmogul.com

If anyone is interested, my Baseball Mogul league ( using Mogul 2004 ) needs 4 more owners. See here for more.

amdaily · 06-05-2004, 01:52 AM

Two thing I didn't like about 2003 were:

1. Pitcher stats seemed to random. In year one a guy will have a 2.30ERA, the next year a 5.60ERA, the next a 3.60ERA.
2. The AI didn't resign many (any?) of their free agents. I'd look at the leaderboard after the season ends and all the stars are free agents.

I don't expect OOTP realism from Mogul, but it has to be relatively decent for more to invest any money or time. Do you have any input on those two issues?

21C · 06-05-2004, 02:30 AM

1. You can make the stats less random by selecting Simulation Mode under League Options. I've never used it because I like the variability.

2. This is still the same. It has been brought up at the SM boards right now.

That's the other reason I bought the new version now. Clay is very inconsistent with patching the game - he releases quite a few patches to tweak and fix issues early in the release period and then disappears completely sometime after that. I realized that if I wanted some things tweaked, I had to get in now and request them otherwise they'd still be there in Mogul 2006.

I have OOTP 6 as well and play it a game at a time. I know that the latest patch ( 6.02a? ) slowed things down considerably if you simmed the season out. Mogul doesn't have OOTP's complexity but it does make up for it in speed. I started a historical league in 1986 ( as the Cubs with Maddux the first time around ) and simmed through 5 seasons in very quick time.

Speaking of historical imports, Mogul imports a season pretty well but it doesn't introduce correct rookies in following years. It has a draft of fictional players which I don't really like.

Young Drachma · 06-06-2004, 03:42 PM

Yeah, I didn't move from Mogul to OOTP until last year. Mogul was great because you could simulate seasons so fast. That was a good and bad thing, but still..the game served its purpose for me.

Blackadar · 06-06-2004, 05:47 PM

I remember that back in the days of the Sideline, we had quite a few of us who were BM addicts. Clay's lack of demonstrable progress with the series (feature sets) plus a few mis-steps beyond his control (remember him trying to get the MLBPA license with his publisher fiasco?) and OOTP's rise to fame pretty much coverted most of us.

It appears that BM now isn't much different than the versions we had 3-5 years ago. It's a shame, really. I wish him the best, but I can't see ever buying one of his products again.

bryce · 06-08-2004, 11:08 AM

i loved bm 2003, and intended to buy 2004, but support for the game fell off the table completely, and in fact, i think the last unoffiical patch was sometime in July last year, with no final, official patch ever released. way too spotty to deserve my money. i'm hoping support for 2005 will return to the levels of 2003 and prior. if that happens, or appears likely to happen, i'll buy the game.

Ksyrup · 06-08-2004, 11:34 AM

Does Clay do this full-time, or is this a side thing for him?

BBM was the first real sim game of its type that I got into. It's what lead me to FOF. I remember emailing him with thoughts and suggestions, but there was always some reason why he couldn't incorporate them. I just think the technical issues got over his head, and he continued to do what he knew how to do while the rest of the sim world passed him by. I'll always remember BBM99 fondly, though.

Dutch · 06-08-2004, 11:52 AM

If it's part-time work, will the shotty work be acceptable? I never care about things like that to be honest. Either you sell a proper product or you don't. He doesn't.

Ksyrup · 06-08-2004, 11:59 AM

I haven't bought the game since 2000, so the answer to that question doesn't really affect whether I would buy it either. But just from the standpoint of trying to understand how the game continues to flounder as if it was still 2000, I'm wondering whether this is a full-time deal for him or not. If it is, I have to scratch my head as to what he could possibly be thinking for the past few years. If not, then it's at least understandable why the game hasn't taken any significant steps forward.

Again, not that I'd buy it in either event in its current condition.

FBPro · 06-08-2004, 11:59 AM

I loved Mogul when it came out back in 1997 or so, problem is that the game hasn't progressed MUCH past that. Notice I didn't say at all, I said much-which is very true. Sorry, this game for me is a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz after about 5 or 10 minutes. Probably a good game for ADHD folks though.

06-04-2004, 10:55 PM	#2
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I waited for it's release, I waited for it's release.......and then I waited for it's release some more. When it finally came out, there was a big fizzzzzz as the air was let out and nobody cared. I had purchased BM2k3 and BM2k4. I purhcased OOTP4 and OOTP5. I wasn't doing that anymore (buying both that is). I went ahead and got OOTP6. It's obviously more in-depth, a reason I prefer Baseball Mogul actually, but it looks like the wheels are falling off of that company, and OOTP is just getting warmed up. Last edited by Dutch : 06-04-2004 at 10:55 PM.

06-08-2004, 11:34 AM	#9
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Does Clay do this full-time, or is this a side thing for him? BBM was the first real sim game of its type that I got into. It's what lead me to FOF. I remember emailing him with thoughts and suggestions, but there was always some reason why he couldn't incorporate them. I just think the technical issues got over his head, and he continued to do what he knew how to do while the rest of the sim world passed him by. I'll always remember BBM99 fondly, though. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-08-2004, 11:59 AM	#11
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I haven't bought the game since 2000, so the answer to that question doesn't really affect whether I would buy it either. But just from the standpoint of trying to understand how the game continues to flounder as if it was still 2000, I'm wondering whether this is a full-time deal for him or not. If it is, I have to scratch my head as to what he could possibly be thinking for the past few years. If not, then it's at least understandable why the game hasn't taken any significant steps forward. Again, not that I'd buy it in either event in its current condition. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-08-2004, 11:59 AM	#12
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	I loved Mogul when it came out back in 1997 or so, problem is that the game hasn't progressed MUCH past that. Notice I didn't say at all, I said much-which is very true. Sorry, this game for me is a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz after about 5 or 10 minutes. Probably a good game for ADHD folks though. __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

06-05-2004, 01:37 AM	#3
21C College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Newcastle, Australia	I've been supporting Mogul for a while - I bought 2000, 2003, 2004 and now 2005. I agree that there haven't been huge strides in the game - new versions look like last year's model with a new paint job. I keep buying because I've been running a Baseball Mogul league for 4 earth years and 22 baseball seasons ( although I stepped away from the commissioner duties for a while ). Clay has made some nice improvements which don't justify everyone upgrading from year to year but I like to support him for his past efforts - if I ( and others ) don't then the game disappears ( yes, I do hear the tree falling in the forest ). Besides that, Clay and Sports Mogul keep the game at a user-friendly price of $20 - a bargain price for me. I pay the guy who mows my lawn more. In case you're interested, they reduced the price of past versions to almost give-away prices. 10 bucks for Mogul 2004 and 5 bucks for 2003. See http://www.sportsmogul.com If anyone is interested, my Baseball Mogul league ( using Mogul 2004 ) needs 4 more owners. See here for more.

06-05-2004, 01:52 AM	#4
amdaily College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003	Two thing I didn't like about 2003 were: 1. Pitcher stats seemed to random. In year one a guy will have a 2.30ERA, the next year a 5.60ERA, the next a 3.60ERA. 2. The AI didn't resign many (any?) of their free agents. I'd look at the leaderboard after the season ends and all the stars are free agents. I don't expect OOTP realism from Mogul, but it has to be relatively decent for more to invest any money or time. Do you have any input on those two issues?

06-05-2004, 02:30 AM	#5
21C College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Newcastle, Australia	1. You can make the stats less random by selecting Simulation Mode under League Options. I've never used it because I like the variability. 2. This is still the same. It has been brought up at the SM boards right now. That's the other reason I bought the new version now. Clay is very inconsistent with patching the game - he releases quite a few patches to tweak and fix issues early in the release period and then disappears completely sometime after that. I realized that if I wanted some things tweaked, I had to get in now and request them otherwise they'd still be there in Mogul 2006. I have OOTP 6 as well and play it a game at a time. I know that the latest patch ( 6.02a? ) slowed things down considerably if you simmed the season out. Mogul doesn't have OOTP's complexity but it does make up for it in speed. I started a historical league in 1986 ( as the Cubs with Maddux the first time around ) and simmed through 5 seasons in very quick time. Speaking of historical imports, Mogul imports a season pretty well but it doesn't introduce correct rookies in following years. It has a draft of fictional players which I don't really like.

06-06-2004, 03:42 PM	#6
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Yeah, I didn't move from Mogul to OOTP until last year. Mogul was great because you could simulate seasons so fast. That was a good and bad thing, but still..the game served its purpose for me.

06-06-2004, 05:47 PM	#7
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	I remember that back in the days of the Sideline, we had quite a few of us who were BM addicts. Clay's lack of demonstrable progress with the series (feature sets) plus a few mis-steps beyond his control (remember him trying to get the MLBPA license with his publisher fiasco?) and OOTP's rise to fame pretty much coverted most of us. It appears that BM now isn't much different than the versions we had 3-5 years ago. It's a shame, really. I wish him the best, but I can't see ever buying one of his products again.

06-08-2004, 11:08 AM	#8
bryce High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dallas, TX	i loved bm 2003, and intended to buy 2004, but support for the game fell off the table completely, and in fact, i think the last unoffiical patch was sometime in July last year, with no final, official patch ever released. way too spotty to deserve my money. i'm hoping support for 2005 will return to the levels of 2003 and prior. if that happens, or appears likely to happen, i'll buy the game.

06-08-2004, 11:52 AM	#10
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	If it's part-time work, will the shotty work be acceptable? I never care about things like that to be honest. Either you sell a proper product or you don't. He doesn't.

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