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The boy who cried Trout
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: TX
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Dola,
To tategter, And how are they hypocrites? By calling them hypocrites, are you infering that they might actually be Pro-Bush?  |
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09-02-2004, 04:29 PM
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High School JV
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Florida Swampland
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Sachmo, you are a master at bulls%$# circular logic and I salute you. What I am saying, again, is that people who vote, and are anti-bush, are pro-'anybody that can beat bush'. Kerry just happens to be that person. Wouldn't matter if it were Adwardo Monteblon from Aqua Dulce New Mexico. If he were standing on the podium excepting the Democratic nomination then anti-bush people would be pro-monteblon people. Nader will receive votes, but not from people who seriously want to defeat bush. I have heard many an interview of people who would like to vote for Nader, but won't because it takes votes away from kerry. Also, non-voters are not only irrelevant to me, they are irrelevant to this discussion. If a protester wants to protest peacefully I applaud them for doing so. If they protest but do not vote then I call them a hypocrite for showing their ass in public but not backing it up on election day. hypocrite n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold Sounds like a description of kerry's voting record. |
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09-02-2004, 04:37 PM
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The boy who cried Trout
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: TX
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Insults. Gotta love it. I disagree that a protester who does not vote is a hypocrite. Not voting is also a form of protest, albeit a self-destructive one. Last edited by sachmo71 : 09-02-2004 at 04:48 PM. |
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09-02-2004, 04:39 PM
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"Dutch"
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Tampa, FL
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I understand that. But Democrats don't seem to understand who's in charge. The PEOPLE demonstrating are anti-Bush. The people getting the money and organizing the masses are Communists. The argument that "Anyone but Bush" is fine up until the point where you go out and get the Communist Party and the heavily socialistic Greens party to mobilize your base. It's partisanship gone haywire. While I still will refrain from calling it unpatriotic (to hire the Communists to organize you), I will call it poor judgement. |
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09-02-2004, 04:45 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Im not sure why youre mentioning Commies? Theyre on the list of groups that will be protesting in NYC this week, but thats it. That list on United for Peace and Justice coalitions website is just a list anyone can get on, its just to say "hey, were going to be there protesting too", a protest guestbook - for lack of a better term. Nobody is recruiting the communist party or the green party to protest. |
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09-02-2004, 04:54 PM
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"Dutch"
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Tampa, FL
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No it's not just on the list, it's a member of the coalition. They are a partner. Just like all the anti-Bush partners. I personally would not go to any rally to bash a Democrat if I knew the organizers were affiliated with the Communists.
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09-05-2004, 06:23 AM
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High School JV
Join Date: Oct 2000
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I'm sure all the organizations supporting President Bush and the Republican Party are ones you'd invite home to meet mother
. This RNC protesters tarred with the same brush angle is weak, as is the dismissal of the protesters being either "for hire" (ridiculous idea) or not even knowing what the protests were for. Moot point now anyway since by Wednesday most folks considering legal protest methods were too scared of jail time to venture onto the sidewalks. |
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09-05-2004, 09:22 AM
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"Dutch"
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Tampa, FL
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My point was to ask you or anybody who was interested in protesting, "How did you know to show up in New York on a particular Saturday?" To get 400,000 people to show up takes a pretty organized effort. And did anybody care who was organizing it? Did anybody care who they were supporting? Did anybody really care who might be benefitting the most out of this?
If people knew it was a communist rally they were attending, they would not have gone. Just as 99.9% of Republicans don't go to KKK rallies. Do you think if 400,000 people showed up to a rally that had the KKK as a sponsor and organizer that the press would let that slide? Why not the other way? Quote:
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09-05-2004, 10:30 AM
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Join Date: May 2002
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etc etc etc.... equals these, and these are only up to "B":
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09-05-2004, 11:57 AM
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"Dutch"
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Tampa, FL
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So you are suggesting there is no discretion on which special interest groups the Democrats will support? Is the motto of the Democrats now "Better to be Communist and in charge than 2nd place?"
I would never vote for that kind of ideology. Believe it or not, Karl Marx was wrong. |
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09-05-2004, 02:20 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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Get a hold of yourself, Dutch.
There is no official Democratic endorsement of the protestors, Communist or otherwise. John Kerry did not come out and say, "I applaud the efforts of those who are attempting to bring about change through peaceful means," which would have been perfectly politically acceptable, by the way. I think you're forgetting the fact that because Bush's policies reflect conservatism, some of the people protesting his policies will be far to the left, just as if a left-wing candidate were the incumbent some of the protestors would be far to the right. I don't know. It just seems like a step in the wrong direction to compare Democrats to Commies, just as it's a step in the wrong direction to compare Republicans to Nazi's. And, believe it or not, Marx is still one of the more respected economists to this day. His philosophy isn't taught in American classrooms just to point out the fallacies of it, in my opinion. History hasn't truly been able to judge Marxism, simply because there has never been a true Marxist state. If I were a Bush supporter, which I assume you proabably are, Dutch, I would welcome the protestors. In prior elections, it has been shown that they've done more to hurt their cause than help it. |
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09-05-2004, 02:56 PM
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"Dutch"
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Trust me, I realize that the protestor's are hurting John Kerry. But the Democrats failure to denounce the support of the communist's efforts is disheartening. What if the Democrats win??? The communists would be right there to explain they are changing policy in America. Talk about a propaganda victory for the far left.
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