Alright boyz, here we go (OOTP6 Thoughts!)

[rlfreeze]

Just a quick couple of questions for SkyDog. Are any beta tests performed in an online league environment? Is the promo cash drain bug fixed? In all leagues, are injured players still unwilling to talk about contract extensions due to lack of playing time when that lack of playing time is a result of injury? Thanks.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by rlfreeze

Just a quick couple of questions for SkyDog. Are any beta tests performed in an online league environment? Is the promo cash drain bug fixed? In all leagues, are injured players still unwilling to talk about contract extensions due to lack of playing time when that lack of playing time is a result of injury? Thanks.

Dude, I don't work full-time for OOTP Developments. There's no way I can look at all of that stuff in just a few hours of having had the patch, while at the office. Some of that stuff is on the fix list. No idea what is working yet.

[rlfreeze]

Thanks

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I ran my new career for one season, but did not "proceed to next season," so I think I'm going to restore it back to the beginning of the year and start all over.

Me too, I guess. Hopefully, this patch is the real deal this time.


Todd

[Raven]

SD,

I'd think we shouldn't assume what % of top draft picks should be on the career leaderboards. But I'd hope there'd be more x round picks on the board than x+1 rounders (ie more 1st rounders than 2nd rounders, more 2nd rounders than 3rd rounders etc). Or at least something close.

Do you know if, when importing, they fixed the bug where guys with low control in v5 are getting a 1 (out of 100) in control in v6? (ie a guy with 3/10 or 4/10 in v5 would convert to a 1/100 in v6)

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Raven

SD,

I'd think we shouldn't assume what % of top draft picks should be on the career leaderboards. But I'd hope there'd be more x round picks on the board than x+1 rounders (ie more 1st rounders than 2nd rounders, more 2nd rounders than 3rd rounders etc). Or at least something close.

Yeah. Here's what I proposed to Markus:

I'm pulling these numbers out of my butt as far as how they match up with real life (no research, in other words), but here's about what I'd want to see in the top 20 HR hitters in a given season:

6-8 Top 10 picks
4-6 Other first rounders
3-5 Second-third rounders
3-5 Fourth round or later



After writing the above, I did just a hair of "research". Here are the AL and NL HR leaders in the last five seasons:

2003: Thome (round 13), ARod: 1(1)
2002: Sosa (FA), ARod: 1(1)
2001: Bonds: 1(6), ARod: 1(1)
2000: Sosa: (FA), Glaus: 1(3)
1999: McGwire: 1(10), Junior: 1(1)

Further, Chipper was a 1(1) pick and Jeter was 1(6) pick. The point is simple: of the guys that most people would list as the game's "elite" position players today: (Bonds, ARod, Sosa, Chipper, Jeter), four were drafted 1(6) or higher.

How's that sound?

Do you know if, when importing, they fixed the bug where guys with low control in v5 are getting a 1 (out of 100) in control in v6? (ie a guy with 3/10 or 4/10 in v5 would convert to a 1/100 in v6)

No idea. I'd never even consider importing a league from one version to the next--not even from one patch to the next--as it would ruin the statistical integrity of the league. OOTP5 is off my hard drive, along with all the leagues created with it. Can't help you out or test this at all. Markus always has "fixed various other reported bugs" on his fix lists (which is rather annoying, imho. Tell us what bugs are fixed so we can make sure!) , so maybe, maybe not.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

What percentage of guys on the career leader board do y'all think should be guys drafted 1(10) or higher?


EDIT: How about current season leader boards?

How many rounds does the OOTP draft run?

There were a few good articles recently prior to the MLB draft talking about the unpredictability of the draft - I'll try and dig those up and link them.

The other question would be, how realistic should this feature be in OOTP vs. gameplay balancing issues. If say 1st round picks in reality are highly volatile and a relatively high percentage never make an impact in the majors, should this be reflected in OOTP?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

The other question would be, how realistic should this feature be in OOTP vs. gameplay balancing issues. If say 1st round picks in reality are highly volatile and a relatively high percentage never make an impact in the majors, should this be reflected in OOTP?

I'd say for gameplay balancing's sake, there needs to be *some* level of predictability. Further, as I've demonstrated by showing the draft position of the game's current "marquee" hitters, there's definitely *something* to be said for high draft choices becoming elite players much more often than low draft choices becoming elite players.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

LAPTOP
SYSTEM SPECS: P4, 2.4GHZ, 512MB RAM
LEAGUE CONFIGURATION: 2 teams, 2 divisions per league, 16 teams total

From 2004 to 2017, averaged a little under 15 minutes per season.

Diregard the laptop numbers. There is more to testing a patch than creating a new league entitled "603 Test." One must actually install the patch on the machine in question as well...

[dawgfan]

Here's one of the better articles I remember reading - Peter Gammons looks at recent draft history

If you look at the research he did, you'll see that 1st round picks made up the vast majority of pitchers and hitters in last year's All-Star Game, about 1/3 of the rosters.

By the same token, examining his list of the top-6 picks in the draft from 1990 onward, you'll note that a large number of these picks never amounted to much in the Majors (some none at all) including a few #1 overall picks.

Now, there are extraneous factors that affect draft position for baseball - signability being the primary one. I don't know if OOTP attempts to model this by having draft-eligable players retain "advisors" that are known to be difficult negotiators or anything similar, but we all know this is a factor in the actual draft. Also a factor is the issue of leverage, where H.S. players can use college scholarship offers as ways to negotiate higher signing bonuses, and as such top-rated players may not get drafted as high (or even at all) due to questions about whether they're signable. College juniors to a lesser extent also have some leverage.

Given all this data, it seems relatively clear that first round picks are surer things than later round picks, but even so they are still a big risk to never pan out. Now, assuming the OOTP draft is much shorter in length, you'd probably want to compress those findings a bit to match this reality, so that the upper half of the first round is more likely to produce good prospects than the bottom half and lower rounds.

Another question - is the draft the only means of generating new talent in OOTP, or is there anything that models undrafted free agent signings from places outside the U.S. and Puerto Rico (the areas covered in the draft)?

If the draft is the only way of generating new talent, you need to produce a certain amount of talent in the draft pool in order to maintain a stable balance of player talent in the OOTP universe. The question then becomes the best way to distribute this talent in the draft, how volatile the player development algorithms are and how accurate the scouting reports are on these players.

I haven't played OOTP6 yet - I bought it a couple of weeks ago but held off due primarily to the waiver issue and the lack of a manual. I'd love to start running some tests to get a feel for this myself, but until then I'm relying on others' feedback.

[Franklinnoble]

I've been reading "Moneyball" and have been itching to try OOTP 6, but the feedback is keeping me away.

How much of what is in "Moneyball" will be effective in OOTP?

*Edit.... FWIW, I will likely NOT be playing in a multiplayer league.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Here's one of the better articles I remember reading - Peter Gammons looks at recent draft history

If you look at the research he did, you'll see that 1st round picks made up the vast majority of pitchers and hitters in last year's All-Star Game, about 1/3 of the rosters.

By the same token, examining his list of the top-6 picks in the draft from 1990 onward, you'll note that a large number of these picks never amounted to much in the Majors (some none at all) including a few #1 overall picks.

Now, there are extraneous factors that affect draft position for baseball - signability being the primary one. I don't know if OOTP attempts to model this by having draft-eligable players retain "advisors" that are known to be difficult negotiators or anything similar, but we all know this is a factor in the actual draft. Also a factor is the issue of leverage, where H.S. players can use college scholarship offers as ways to negotiate higher signing bonuses, and as such top-rated players may not get drafted as high (or even at all) due to questions about whether they're signable. College juniors to a lesser extent also have some leverage.

Given all this data, it seems relatively clear that first round picks are surer things than later round picks, but even so they are still a big risk to never pan out. Now, assuming the OOTP draft is much shorter in length, you'd probably want to compress those findings a bit to match this reality, so that the upper half of the first round is more likely to produce good prospects than the bottom half and lower rounds.

Another question - is the draft the only means of generating new talent in OOTP, or is there anything that models undrafted free agent signings from places outside the U.S. and Puerto Rico (the areas covered in the draft)?

If the draft is the only way of generating new talent, you need to produce a certain amount of talent in the draft pool in order to maintain a stable balance of player talent in the OOTP universe. The question then becomes the best way to distribute this talent in the draft, how volatile the player development algorithms are and how accurate the scouting reports are on these players.

I haven't played OOTP6 yet - I bought it a couple of weeks ago but held off due primarily to the waiver issue and the lack of a manual. I'd love to start running some tests to get a feel for this myself, but until then I'm relying on others' feedback.

I think this supports these kind of numbers in a Top 20 leaderboard:

5 ish from the top 10
5 ish from the rest of the first round
4 ish from the second round
3 ish from the third round
3 ish from round 4 and afterward


To answer your question, there's nothing that models foreign FA signings. To the contrary, players from all over the world appear in the draft as "HS" and "College" players. For the sake of the gameplay balance vs. realism issue, I'd suggest that if the player development/scout error model could produce results similar to those mentioned above on leader boards, we'd be in pretty good shape.

[Ben E Lou]

Corrected speed numbers for laptop after actually installing the patch to that machine:

Just ran the 2030 season (and if you're unaware, things slow down the farther along you get), and got from 4/1/2030 to 4/1/2031 in 14 minutes and 19 seconds (with generate player HTML turned on.) Probably 9-10 minutes, then, in the early seasons.

[Ben E Lou]

More on speed, and the numbers that are probably most important to those of us who sim:

laptop (16-team league. P4,2.4Ghz,512MB) sims April 2031 in 1 minute and 32 seconds.
desktop (30 teams, P4,2.8,1GB) sims May 2030 in 1 minutes and 53 seconds.

[CentralMassHokie]

Skydog,

Any chance Markus added BABIP (batting average on balls in play) to the pitcher stats pages?

In a DIPS-based game, you'd think that'd be a handy stat to have.

Thanks

[akw4572]

Originally Posted by CentralMassHokie

Skydog,

Any chance Markus added BABIP (batting average on balls in play) to the pitcher stats pages?

In a DIPS-based game, you'd think that'd be a handy stat to have.

Thanks

No, i was hoping for the same thing, but it's not in there.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

To answer your question, there's nothing that models foreign FA signings. To the contrary, players from all over the world appear in the draft as "HS" and "College" players. For the sake of the gameplay balance vs. realism issue, I'd suggest that if the player development/scout error model could produce results similar to those mentioned above on leader boards, we'd be in pretty good shape.

Yeah, that would be fairly accurate.

Can you imagine though if Jim were to do a baseball sim and he utilized some of his player agent stuff from the most recent FOF releases such that you had something that modeled situations like Mark Prior, Jared Weaver and Stephen Drew? I.e. all draft-eligible players have "advisors" that affect their negotiations if you draft them, and you can develop a reputation with different agents that may help or hinder your signing efforts and how willing the draftee is to hold out or return to school.

I'd love to see players in the draft pool willing to not sign and go to college instead, or if they're juniors, willing to return for another season. Seniors could threaten to play in the independant leagues and then show up the following season as a free agent available to all.

You could also have international scouting as part of your overall budget, and based on how much money you allocated to it, you could find more international free agent prospects to sign, and/or get better scouting reports on them. Or to simplify things, the money you put in this area would determine how many (and how good) were the international players your organization signed.

Man, I get excited just thinking about the possibilities...

[dawgfan]

Dola,

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Man, I get excited just thinking about the possibilities...

Not that kind of excited you preverts...

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by CentralMassHokie

Skydog,

Any chance Markus added BABIP (batting average on balls in play) to the pitcher stats pages?

In a DIPS-based game, you'd think that'd be a handy stat to have.

Thanks

I'm curious, why would you want this when the DIPS theory says the pitcher has no control or very little control of BABIP?

Wouldn't it be better to have HR allowed for every season and minor leagues?

[dawgfan]

HR allowed would be much more important. It would be interesting though to see what the BABIP is though to see how lucky/unlucky that pitcher was.

That said, given the research Tom Tippett has done I hope Craig and Marcus look into modifying the DIPS engine for the next version to reflect the fact that pitchers do have some control over hits on balls in play.

[CentralMassHokie]

Originally Posted by Sweed

I'm curious, why would you want this when the DIPS theory says the pitcher has no control or very little control of BABIP?

Wouldn't it be better to have HR allowed for every season and minor leagues?

HR Allowed would be great too. But I'd like to have BABIP to see if my pitcher's stellar season is due to luck or him learning how to pitch. It could also be used to help determine how effective team defense is.

It just seems like a logical thing to have, and the stats are right there. Granted, I could calculate it myself, but I'd rather not have to flip back and forth to excel.

[CentralMassHokie]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

That said, given the research Tom Tippett has done I hope Craig and Marcus look into modifying the DIPS engine for the next version to reflect the fact that pitchers do have some control over hits on balls in play.

I need to read Tippett's paper/site again. I remember having some qualms with his analysis the first time, and also remember seeing some fairly respectable SABR folk (maybe TangoTiger) taking issue with some of his finding as well.

Having BABIP displayed (on an individual, team, and league leve) would go along way towards giving us an idea of how DIPS is actually implemented in the game.

[Buccaneer]

I would rather go with less predictability than more true-to-life.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by CentralMassHokie

HR Allowed would be great too. But I'd like to have BABIP to see if my pitcher's stellar season is due to luck or him learning how to pitch. It could also be used to help determine how effective team defense is.

It just seems like a logical thing to have, and the stats are right there. Granted, I could calculate it myself, but I'd rather not have to flip back and forth to excel.

I'm with you. I'd like that stat added to the game.

Speaking of batting average on batted balls...since that has been added to the setup screen as part of the numbers we can tweak, what should that number be? Is the default the correct number? Or, after tweaking the numbers, should I hit the claculate button? I've never been sure what to do with that number, what is accurate or represents real life, etc. And since there's no manual...

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm with you. I'd like that stat added to the game.

Speaking of batting average on batted balls...since that has been added to the setup screen as part of the numbers we can tweak, what should that number be? Is the default the correct number? Or, after tweaking the numbers, should I hit the claculate button? I've never been sure what to do with that number, what is accurate or represents real life, etc. And since there's no manual...

Don't ever hit calculate. Henry posted a link over on the OOTP boards to his site that has the exact numbers to use for any season that you want to reproduce.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Wouldn't it be better to have HR allowed for every season and minor leagues?

The problem, as I understand it, is that Markus is out of room in the database to track any more year-to-year stats. If my understanding is correct, then I hope that there will be a data restructuring for OOTP7.

[Schedule Junkie]

I've heard the same thing. Though I wonder if instead it was possible to make an ancilliary database file to hold the stats that can't be held in the main database file due to space constraints. The game then looks up the extra stats in the secondary database file.

I have no idea if this is feasible or not, but it was the first thing I thought of when I heard the main database file is pretty much out of space for more stat items...

[CentralMassHokie]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

The problem, as I understand it, is that Markus is out of room in the database to track any more year-to-year stats. If my understanding is correct, then I hope that there will be a data restructuring for OOTP7.

There are definitely stats I would drop to include HR allowed and BABIP.

[Buccaneer]

Just glancing at the OOTP boards, I found this old news about OOTP/SI

Q: One of the strengths of OOTP is it's customiziation abilities. CM has always gone a different direction. Does that mean that we will lose all the customization in OOTP?
A: The goal is to adapt the best parts of CM (multiple leagues, media, player interaction/personalities and so on), and keeping all the features of OOTP. That included online league play, customization, historical leagues and so on. We have total creative freedom, and we are no big fans of losing features!

My first reaction is that the "best parts of CM" don't necessarily meshes well with an American baseball sim. Does anyone else think that those "best parts" would actually distract from the game? Also, I am concerned as I saw the screenshots of EHM that it would be too Euro or perhaps more accurately, too global. Multiple leagues, like those in Latin America and Japan won't do anything for OOTP, imo. If they want multiple leagues and think that those are "best parts", then have the option of having full scale minor leagues.

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Just glancing at the OOTP boards, I found this old news about OOTP/SI


My first reaction is that the "best parts of CM" don't necessarily meshes well with an American baseball sim. Does anyone else think that those "best parts" would actually distract from the game? Also, I am concerned as I saw the screenshots of EHM that it would be too Euro or perhaps more accurately, too global. Multiple leagues, like those in Latin America and Japan won't do anything for OOTP, imo. If they want multiple leagues and think that those are "best parts", then have the option of having full scale minor leagues.

I hope that 'best parts' means some of the player personality and media type interactions.

I agree, if we are going the mulitple league route, the Midwest League is a lot better addition then the Japanese Central League if you ask me.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

I've found myself testing Puresim a lot lately. I'm trying to make the financials make more sense. I'm getting there - the AI now spends all it's money, I just end up with some good players sitting in free agency even after the season starts.

Hopefully this testing pays off and improves the financial aspect. Then I've got to convince Shaun to improve the aging process, because it's so predictable that it really takes 'risk' out of the equation with a player. I know exactly how 90% of the players are going to age and at what rate their skills will change. Varied aging will improve the game 100%.

Puresim really is a 'pretty' game. The in-game screens and the menus are very nice. I didn't think I would care but I really do like it much better. If you have a crappy machine it will be painful to play a large league, but if you've got a good machine (I tried it on the GF's brand new P4 and wow!) then the speed is fine.

I'm waiting on the 6.03 patch before I do anything with OOTP. I played for a little while longer on 6.01 (6.02 was a solo disaster), but it seems they are focused on fixing the waivers problem which really ended up being a deal breaker for me.

I really play them as two different games. I'm a huge baseball guy and they are easy 1&2 in the rotation for me. I've played a lot more Puresim then say TDCB..... baseball just translates perfectly into the text sim and I get more out of it because of that.

Thanks for the reply. I missed this one for some reason. I'm hoping Puresim gets better upon release as I've been following the message boards. Seeing you there doing all your have done, I knew you were a baseball sim head.

ootp has just been blah after a season or two.. I really want to get back into the game, but Puresim has a chance to get my baseball juices going as well.

I'll keep my eyes open...


Todd

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Thanks for the reply. I missed this one for some reason. I'm hoping Puresim gets better upon release as I've been following the message boards. Seeing you there doing all your have done, I knew you were a baseball sim head.

ootp has just been blah after a season or two.. I really want to get back into the game, but Puresim has a chance to get my baseball juices going as well.

I'll keep my eyes open...


Todd

I think the next version is going to be posted today (release candidate 2) - the list of improvements are up and if the aging patters really are improved that will make a huge difference, that is/was the biggest weakness in the game - too predictible.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

I think the next version is going to be posted today (release candidate 2) - the list of improvements are up and if the aging patters really are improved that will make a huge difference, that is/was the biggest weakness in the game - too predictible.

Read that last night, I'm hoping you have some good feedback when you get a chance to test RC2.

I'm wanting to play Puresim with a purely fictional universe. Ootp is used with real players and the real mlb setup.


Todd

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Read that last night, I'm hoping you have some good feedback when you get a chance to test RC2.

I'm wanting to play Puresim with a purely fictional universe. Ootp is used with real players and the real mlb setup.


Todd

I think this accurately describes the mindset a person needs to have approaching both games.

[Ben E Lou]

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Join Date: Dec 2001
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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

- Tweaked player development to allow slightly more young stars

Example from my test league last night. He hit .300 at age 19/20, 200 hits by age 21/22.

#87 William "Chaser" Wallace, Leftfield, 44 yrs, No Team Tuesday, 10/26/2092

[img]file:///c:/progra~1/outoft~1/ootp6~1/graphics/defaultphoto.bmp[/img] Name : Nickname : Birthday : Age : Born in : Height : Weight : Position : Bats : Throws : William Wallace Chaser 7/26/2020 44 Canada 6"0 170 Leftfield L L Desire for Winner : Loyalty : Team Leader Skills : Consistency : Clutch Performance : Injury Rating : Overall Rating : Average Average None at all Good Normal Prone 1.0 Stars

Contract & Roster Status

Contract : Salary : Signed Through : Years of MLB Service : MLB Service Days this Year : Years on 40-Man Roster : Years of Pro Service : Rule 5 Draft Eligibility : Arbitration Eligibility : Minor League Option Years : Minor League Free Agency : Minor League Contract - - 25 Year(s), 129 Days (4429 total Days) 0 Day(s) 25 Year(s), 138 Days (4438 total Days) 28 Year(s) Inelegible (more than 6 pro years) Not eligible 1 Option Year(s) left Not eligible yet.

Ratings

Batting Contact Gap Power Discipline/Eye Avoid K's Overall 7 31 2 30 27 Versus LHP 1 29 1 23 27 Versus RHP 10 32 3 33 27 Talent 14 36 6 38 32

Running & Bunting Ratings Running Speed : Stealing Ability : Baserunning Instincts : Sacrifice Bunt : Bunt for Hit : Hitter Type : 40 53 72 4 1 Normal Fielding Ratings LF : 55 (Range), .984 (Fielding Pct.) RF : 63 (Range), .975 (Fielding Pct.) Catcher Arm : 4 Infield Arm : 60 Outfield Arm : 93

Game Log, Last 10 Games

Date Opp. Result AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K Spot

Batting Stats 2092

Batting G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K AVG OBP SLG OPS TAVG ISO 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000

Batting GS PA HP IW CI GDP SH SF TB EBH SB CS SB% RC RC/27 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .0 .0 .0

AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K SF SH HP AVG OBP SLG OPS vs. LHP 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 vs. RHP 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 Close/Late 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 Scoring Position 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 Pinch Hitting 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000

G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K AVG OBP SLG OPS

Career Batting Stats

Year G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Teams 2037 10 16 2 0 0 0 0 1 2 3 1 1 .125 .222 .125 .347 FLO 2038 130 238 77 11 4 3 35 39 20 23 18 7 .324 .376 .441 .817 FLO 2039 43 162 51 4 1 4 27 25 14 26 9 4 .315 .369 .426 .795 FLO 2040 151 544 171 14 1 9 82 108 81 83 38 14 .314 .403 .393 .797 FLO 2041 157 557 169 15 3 15 78 76 59 80 32 21 .303 .370 .422 .792 FLO 2042 157 609 202 23 3 15 78 109 82 85 45 21 .332 .411 .453 .864 FLO,L2 2043 156 601 200 23 2 14 75 126 83 89 48 33 .333 .414 .448 .861 FLO 2044 157 608 184 26 2 26 82 136 89 117 59 25 .303 .392 .480 .872 FLO 2045 154 586 180 28 1 26 104 125 91 123 41 18 .307 .400 .491 .892 BOS,L1 2046 158 596 193 30 4 43 150 141 90 149 31 18 .324 .413 .604 1.017 BOS,L1 2047 157 595 159 19 0 29 114 98 78 142 28 19 .267 .352 .445 .798 BOS 2048 156 596 175 21 5 40 112 107 82 151 24 7 .294 .379 .547 .926 TOR CLE 2049 156 627 189 15 5 53 133 129 83 155 14 6 .301 .383 .595 .978 CLE 2050 157 612 179 23 2 34 106 134 88 151 37 15 .292 .381 .503 .885 CLE 2051 159 587 178 21 4 43 117 135 84 138 30 9 .303 .390 .572 .963 CLE,L1 2052 158 612 196 30 1 46 122 135 77 116 29 9 .320 .396 .598 .994 CLE,L1 2053 157 601 186 27 2 31 111 112 81 127 13 7 .309 .391 .516 .907 CLE,L1 2054 156 610 183 24 1 27 98 113 69 115 24 8 .300 .371 .475 .847 CLE 2055 158 613 207 30 2 36 110 120 85 106 22 6 .338 .418 .569 .988 CLE,L1 2056 156 594 199 28 5 32 113 114 87 120 29 9 .335 .420 .561 .981 CLE,L1 2057 156 608 213 24 4 41 119 125 82 111 27 11 .350 .428 .605 1.033 CLE,L1 2058 157 623 201 27 1 36 124 137 94 107 23 11 .323 .411 .543 .954 CLE,L1 2059 157 620 207 22 0 45 154 137 74 110 25 8 .334 .405 .587 .992 CLE,L1 2060 157 601 183 19 1 32 115 97 72 138 27 11 .304 .379 .499 .878 NY,L2 2061 158 609 195 17 3 38 119 120 77 133 26 6 .320 .397 .545 .942 ATL,L2 Total 3628 13625 4279 521 57 718 2478 2699 1824 2698 700 304 .314 .395 .519 .914

Career Minor League Batting Stats

Year G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS 2037, A 56 218 58 8 1 4 18 38 34 50 10 0 .266 .361 .367 .728 2037, AA 51 192 51 5 2 4 17 23 30 41 13 2 .266 .363 .375 .738 2037, AAA 24 84 24 2 1 3 10 14 20 7 2 2 .286 .419 .440 .860 2064, AAA 48 67 17 3 1 1 4 12 7 14 6 2 .254 .312 .373 .685

[Ben E Lou]

An important addition to waivers: players now must clear waivers before being removed from the 40-man roster.

[jbmagic]

the minor league free agent seems broken still..

if you have it enabled in league setting and goto salary reports , the report dont show some minor league players listed as "Minor League FA next year"..

but if you have it disabled in league setting and goto salary report in front office, the report will show some minor league player listed as "Minor League FA next year"

Also the ones that says "Minor league Fa next year" on the salary report and you click on there player card or player html card it shows Minor League Free Agency : Not eligible yet... why the player salary report saying he a minor league free agent next year and the player says not eligible?

check this out and you will see..



Also Markus said "Fixed Minor league FA toggle, it was reversed." for patch 6.03. Now that making me wonder if that was really fix too...

[Ben E Lou]

OK....for those who want to examine player development, long-term stability, stats, etc., I have finished the upload of a 51-season league. It can be found at http://www.younglifenorthlake.com/ootp603

[Ksyrup]

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[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

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Typo in link fixed. Retry.

[Ksyrup]

729 Saves?! I think that's the most I've ever seen in any version of OOTP. And the 2nd place guy has 495. Wow.

[Ben E Lou]

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