We're in the playoffs!!

MizzouRah · 01-02-2005, 09:34 PM

The best game of the year as far as Rams home games go. Great atmostphere, lots of action, I'm beat.

I think we'll beat Seattle... too bad it's not here in St. Louis.

Todd

finkenst · 01-02-2005, 10:51 PM

Blade6119 · 01-02-2005, 10:55 PM

That luck got us a rematch with a team we beat twice this year already...ill take luck if thats what got us here...i dont see your illinois teams in the playoffs finkenst

finkenst · 01-02-2005, 10:55 PM

given that i'm not a native of illinois and suffer every week of having to watch a bears game...

congats, rams. if you beat seattle, i doubt you'll make it past philly or atlanta.

cthomer5000 · 01-02-2005, 10:56 PM

I think either Seattle or the Rams are dead in round 2.

SunDancer · 01-02-2005, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

That luck got us a rematch with a team we beat twice this year already...ill take luck if thats what got us here...i dont see your illinois teams in the playoffs finkenst

A 8-8 record is kinda pathetic to make the playoffs. Good thing the NFL didn't expand to 7 teams per conference.

G-Man · 01-02-2005, 11:09 PM

I do not believe that the Hawks nor the Rams are playoff caliber teams. However I would also add the Vikings to that group. Anyway neither team (rams or Hawks) will go very far.

Perhaps they should just drop the Hawks and Rams from the field, along with the Vikes and have the Packers play the Falcons, the winner gets the Eagles and that winner gets a runners up trophy as the real champ will come from the AFC, probably in the rematch of the Pats and the Steelers.

Chief Rum · 01-02-2005, 11:26 PM

I am always happy to see the Rams get in the playoffs, since as long as you're alive, you can still win it all.

That said, I truly believe the Rams will not get any better until we can Martz. I just can't stand this guy anymore. And getting to the playoffs only ensures we will likely get beaten badly by Green Bay, Atlanta or Philly (eventually) and force us to endure yet another year of Martz.

If we don't make the playoffs, his ass would have been so fired, IMO.

CR

SunDancer · 01-02-2005, 11:27 PM

Do you guys think that 8-8 teams in the playoffs are just a one-year thing?

JeeberD · 01-02-2005, 11:28 PM

cthomer5000 · 01-02-2005, 11:29 PM

I think this will happen occasionally. The AFC is the exact opposite right now, loaded by comparison.

Dutch · 01-02-2005, 11:43 PM

Yeah, parity is alive and well in the NFC. The AFC didn't get the memo.

Sharpieman · 01-02-2005, 11:54 PM

Normally, I would make the argument that 8-8 isn't such a bad record. Ask any coach in the NFL and they'll say winning 8 games is hard. However, it was the way some of these teams went 8-8. The Rams and the Seahawks were basically racing to see which one could LOSE the NFC west. Neither team really stepped up and played great the whole season (except for this last game of course).

Blade6119 · 01-02-2005, 11:57 PM

I will give both the seahawks and rams credit for one thing....IF, a big if, either team plays to its full talent level they can hang with any team in the NFC....including the TO-less eagles

MizzouRah · 01-03-2005, 12:04 AM

Records don't mean squat now. I'll gladly take on the Atlanta Falcons, Green Bay, or Philly. The Seahawks barely beat a Vick-less Atlanta team.

I don't like Martz either, but he seems to win the games that keep his job intact... which sucks... but I'm a team guy and I'm happy for the team. Holt is the ONLY NFL receiver with 5 consecutive 1300+ yard seasons. Remarkable. He's the reason we won the game today.

Todd

Warhammer · 01-03-2005, 11:02 AM

I used to be on Martz's side, but some of the stuff that goes on is inexcusable. How many special teams TDs were given up this year? Why in the world do you hire Marmie as DC? At what point do you begin to reign in the offense a bit, and worry about hanging on to the football, a turnover margin of -29?

They have wasted a number of high picks on the defense which has not been that great. They are aging on the offensive side of the ball. The special teams have gotten worse each year under Martz. Either can his ass, or get some one else on board who will make better hiring/scouting moves.

moriarty · 01-03-2005, 11:07 AM

Grr... I was rooting against the Rams just because of Martz.

I don't see the Rams, Vikings, or Seahawks having a chance. I really don't think Atlanta is up there either (then again, I've doubted them all year and look what they've done).

I think Philly is still far and away the class of the group even w/out TO, but one hot night from Favre and anything can happen.

WSUCougar · 01-03-2005, 11:08 AM

Sports radio in St. Louis (590 The Fan) was jabbering on and on about how Tom Jackson was busting on Martz a lot on ESPN Game Day and Prime Time. That it seemed "too personal" and they were wondering why. Gah...maybe because Martz is an idiot who confirms it at every opportunity by making bad decisions?

panerd · 01-03-2005, 11:15 AM

Not a slam at anyone particular here, but I am always flabergasted at how Saint Louis can have such great baseball fans and such horrible football and college sports fans. It is like this town doesn't remember the decades of football futility before Vermiel (and more specifically Martz) came to town and brought us a world championship.

Let's look at the past two years for which Martz has been slammed for. Last season he takes the ball out of the hands of possibly the most popular sports figure in town at the time, is tore to shreads, and his team goes 12-4. Then he does go conservative, but loses to a very good Carolina team that go be on to win at Philadelphia and almost win the Super Bowl. (By the way, why is it Martz's fault that the next great white hope couldn't make a simple tackle to keep us in overtime?)

Fast forward to this season. The Rams are not supposed to be good. Faulk, Bruce, etc. are aging. Turley is injured. We lost Wistrom to free agency. Basically it is going to be a rebuilding season as nobody is going to compete in the NFC West with the Super Bowl bound Seahawks. All of a sudden the Seahawks aren't as good as everyone thinks and that somehow changes the expectations of this team? We were supposed to be about 8-8 and we did exactly that and ended up getting in the playoffs!

I could get into the unrealistic expectations my alma matter has with it's basketball and football programs, but that is a whole other topic for another time. But let's just say the Saint Louis solution always seems to be to run someone out of town. Unless it is a baseball coach who hasn't been able to get the team over the playoff hump (last year notwithstanding) for over 10 years. But don't ever talk bad about baseball in Saint Louis or you will be taken outside and shot.

Warhammer · 01-03-2005, 11:27 AM

First off, I have been a fan of the Rams since 79. Grew up in Irvine, CA. So I am not your typical St. Louis fan.

Actually, prior to the season people had the Rams rated higher than last year. Most of the questions from last year had been answered. Steven Jackson would back up Faulk, which he has done extremely well. The big question was replacing Lovie Smith, something I think he failed in doing.

Also, don't forget, the defense is pretty much the same as last year minus Wistrom. Which you could afford to lose because they have the most depth on defense on the DL.

My problem with last year is you have 12 ticks on the clock, take a shot at the end zone. Tell your QB, if you don't see it, throw it away. Plus, why did they have Jason Sehorn at all? Everyone knew he was washed up!

gstelmack · 01-03-2005, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Sports radio in St. Louis (590 The Fan) was jabbering on and on about how Tom Jackson was busting on Martz a lot on ESPN Game Day and Prime Time. That it seemed "too personal" and they were wondering why. Gah...maybe because Martz is an idiot who confirms it at every opportunity by making bad decisions?

The book "Patriot Reign" has a good discussion on why Bellichik hates Tom Jackson. To the point that if it weren't for Chris Berman, he'd pretty much be blacklisting ESPN.

WSUCougar · 01-03-2005, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gstelmack

The book "Patriot Reign" has a good discussion on why Bellichik hates Tom Jackson. To the point that if it weren't for Chris Berman, he'd pretty much be blacklisting ESPN.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. Can you elaborate?

rkmsuf · 01-03-2005, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. Can you elaborate?

At one point in 2003 Tom Jackson said on the air after Milloy was traded that

"They hate their coach"

and defended that point of view as fact.

I'm sure that's the majority of it but I'm only on Chapter 7 of Patriot Reign...I think that part is coming up.

MizzouRah · 01-03-2005, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panerd

Not a slam at anyone particular here, but I am always flabergasted at how Saint Louis can have such great baseball fans and such horrible football and college sports fans. It is like this town doesn't remember the decades of football futility before Vermiel (and more specifically Martz) came to town and brought us a world championship.

Let's look at the past two years for which Martz has been slammed for. Last season he takes the ball out of the hands of possibly the most popular sports figure in town at the time, is tore to shreads, and his team goes 12-4. Then he does go conservative, but loses to a very good Carolina team that go be on to win at Philadelphia and almost win the Super Bowl. (By the way, why is it Martz's fault that the next great white hope couldn't make a simple tackle to keep us in overtime?)

Fast forward to this season. The Rams are not supposed to be good. Faulk, Bruce, etc. are aging. Turley is injured. We lost Wistrom to free agency. Basically it is going to be a rebuilding season as nobody is going to compete in the NFC West with the Super Bowl bound Seahawks. All of a sudden the Seahawks aren't as good as everyone thinks and that somehow changes the expectations of this team? We were supposed to be about 8-8 and we did exactly that and ended up getting in the playoffs!

I could get into the unrealistic expectations my alma matter has with it's basketball and football programs, but that is a whole other topic for another time. But let's just say the Saint Louis solution always seems to be to run someone out of town. Unless it is a baseball coach who hasn't been able to get the team over the playoff hump (last year notwithstanding) for over 10 years. But don't ever talk bad about baseball in Saint Louis or you will be taken outside and shot.

Great points and I agree with most of it. I will say however, LaRussa is blasted more than Martz is.. but that's also because baseball is 162 game season.

The thing I can't stand about Martz is how he jeopardizes the team by not utilizing someone like Jackson. There were a few games we could have won, I think, by running the football. Oh well, were in.

Todd

01-02-2005, 10:55 PM	#3
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	That luck got us a rematch with a team we beat twice this year already...ill take luck if thats what got us here...i dont see your illinois teams in the playoffs finkenst __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

01-02-2005, 11:09 PM	#7
G-Man High School JV Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle, Washington	I am a Seahawks fan but..... I do not believe that the Hawks nor the Rams are playoff caliber teams. However I would also add the Vikings to that group. Anyway neither team (rams or Hawks) will go very far. Perhaps they should just drop the Hawks and Rams from the field, along with the Vikes and have the Packers play the Falcons, the winner gets the Eagles and that winner gets a runners up trophy as the real champ will come from the AFC, probably in the rematch of the Pats and the Steelers. __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

01-02-2005, 11:26 PM	#8
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I am always happy to see the Rams get in the playoffs, since as long as you're alive, you can still win it all. That said, I truly believe the Rams will not get any better until we can Martz. I just can't stand this guy anymore. And getting to the playoffs only ensures we will likely get beaten badly by Green Bay, Atlanta or Philly (eventually) and force us to endure yet another year of Martz. If we don't make the playoffs, his ass would have been so fired, IMO. CR __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

01-02-2005, 11:28 PM	#10
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	No. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

01-02-2005, 11:57 PM	#14
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	I will give both the seahawks and rams credit for one thing....IF, a big if, either team plays to its full talent level they can hang with any team in the NFC....including the TO-less eagles __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

01-02-2005, 10:51 PM	#2
finkenst College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: usually sunny SoCal	luck

01-02-2005, 11:27 PM	#9
SunDancer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Sep 2002	Do you guys think that 8-8 teams in the playoffs are just a one-year thing?

01-02-2005, 11:43 PM	#12
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Yeah, parity is alive and well in the NFC. The AFC didn't get the memo.

01-02-2005, 11:54 PM	#13
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	Normally, I would make the argument that 8-8 isn't such a bad record. Ask any coach in the NFL and they'll say winning 8 games is hard. However, it was the way some of these teams went 8-8. The Rams and the Seahawks were basically racing to see which one could LOSE the NFC west. Neither team really stepped up and played great the whole season (except for this last game of course).

01-03-2005, 12:04 AM	#15
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Records don't mean squat now. I'll gladly take on the Atlanta Falcons, Green Bay, or Philly. The Seahawks barely beat a Vick-less Atlanta team. I don't like Martz either, but he seems to win the games that keep his job intact... which sucks... but I'm a team guy and I'm happy for the team. Holt is the ONLY NFL receiver with 5 consecutive 1300+ yard seasons. Remarkable. He's the reason we won the game today. Todd

01-03-2005, 11:02 AM	#16
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	I used to be on Martz's side, but some of the stuff that goes on is inexcusable. How many special teams TDs were given up this year? Why in the world do you hire Marmie as DC? At what point do you begin to reign in the offense a bit, and worry about hanging on to the football, a turnover margin of -29? They have wasted a number of high picks on the defense which has not been that great. They are aging on the offensive side of the ball. The special teams have gotten worse each year under Martz. Either can his ass, or get some one else on board who will make better hiring/scouting moves.

01-03-2005, 11:07 AM	#17
moriarty College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: A negative place	Grr... I was rooting against the Rams just because of Martz. I don't see the Rams, Vikings, or Seahawks having a chance. I really don't think Atlanta is up there either (then again, I've doubted them all year and look what they've done). I think Philly is still far and away the class of the group even w/out TO, but one hot night from Favre and anything can happen.

01-03-2005, 11:08 AM	#18
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Sports radio in St. Louis (590 The Fan) was jabbering on and on about how Tom Jackson was busting on Martz a lot on ESPN Game Day and Prime Time. That it seemed "too personal" and they were wondering why. Gah...maybe because Martz is an idiot who confirms it at every opportunity by making bad decisions? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

01-03-2005, 11:15 AM	#19
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	Not a slam at anyone particular here, but I am always flabergasted at how Saint Louis can have such great baseball fans and such horrible football and college sports fans. It is like this town doesn't remember the decades of football futility before Vermiel (and more specifically Martz) came to town and brought us a world championship. Let's look at the past two years for which Martz has been slammed for. Last season he takes the ball out of the hands of possibly the most popular sports figure in town at the time, is tore to shreads, and his team goes 12-4. Then he does go conservative, but loses to a very good Carolina team that go be on to win at Philadelphia and almost win the Super Bowl. (By the way, why is it Martz's fault that the next great white hope couldn't make a simple tackle to keep us in overtime?) Fast forward to this season. The Rams are not supposed to be good. Faulk, Bruce, etc. are aging. Turley is injured. We lost Wistrom to free agency. Basically it is going to be a rebuilding season as nobody is going to compete in the NFC West with the Super Bowl bound Seahawks. All of a sudden the Seahawks aren't as good as everyone thinks and that somehow changes the expectations of this team? We were supposed to be about 8-8 and we did exactly that and ended up getting in the playoffs! I could get into the unrealistic expectations my alma matter has with it's basketball and football programs, but that is a whole other topic for another time. But let's just say the Saint Louis solution always seems to be to run someone out of town. Unless it is a baseball coach who hasn't been able to get the team over the playoff hump (last year notwithstanding) for over 10 years. But don't ever talk bad about baseball in Saint Louis or you will be taken outside and shot.

01-03-2005, 11:27 AM	#20
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	First off, I have been a fan of the Rams since 79. Grew up in Irvine, CA. So I am not your typical St. Louis fan. Actually, prior to the season people had the Rams rated higher than last year. Most of the questions from last year had been answered. Steven Jackson would back up Faulk, which he has done extremely well. The big question was replacing Lovie Smith, something I think he failed in doing. Also, don't forget, the defense is pretty much the same as last year minus Wistrom. Which you could afford to lose because they have the most depth on defense on the DL. My problem with last year is you have 12 ticks on the clock, take a shot at the end zone. Tell your QB, if you don't see it, throw it away. Plus, why did they have Jason Sehorn at all? Everyone knew he was washed up!

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