This is what drives poker players crazy.

[SirFozzie]

I mean, it's way early in this tourney. And it's not chicken scratch either, (a $20+2 tournament). And he's not even raising.. HE'S CALLING!

ARGHHHH!!! (Tears hair out)

PokerStars Game #1796080773: Tournament #8387216, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/05/30 - 05:10:23 (ET)
Table '8387216 19' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 80sniper80 (1620 in chips)
Seat 2: lavida06 (1380 in chips)
Seat 3: Sweetness777 (2060 in chips)
Seat 4: sharkerJ (3380 in chips)
Seat 5: oilmoney42 (1600 in chips)
Seat 6: azpkrplr21 (1960 in chips)
Seat 8: SirFozzie (1130 in chips)
Seat 9: alicalif (2590 in chips)
lavida06: posts small blind 10
Sweetness777: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirFozzie [6c 3c]
sharkerJ: calls 20
oilmoney42: calls 20
azpkrplr21: raises 20 to 40
SirFozzie: folds
alicalif: calls 40
80sniper80: folds
lavida06: calls 30
SirFozzie said, "Better now then an hour or two on the bubble, right man?"
Sweetness777: raises 460 to 500
SirFozzie said, "GL, see ya somewhere down the raod"
sharkerJ: calls 480
oilmoney42: folds
SirFozzie said, "road even (typed too fast )"
azpkrplr21: raises 1460 to 1960 and is all-in
alicalif: folds
lavida06: folds
Sweetness777: calls 1460
sharkerJ: calls 1460
*** FLOP *** [8h Qc Kc]
Sweetness777: bets 100 and is all-in
sharkerJ: calls 100
*** TURN *** [8h Qc Kc] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [8h Qc Kc 2c] [9h]
SirFozzie said, "Oh man"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sweetness777: shows [Kd Kh] (three of a kind, Kings)
sharkerJ: shows [9c 5c] (a flush, King high)
sharkerJ collected 200 from side pot
azpkrplr21: shows [Ah Ad] (a pair of Aces)
sharkerJ collected 5980 from main pot
DMillHouse is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6180 Main pot 5980. Side pot 200. | Rake 0
Board [8h Qc Kc 2c 9h]
Seat 1: 80sniper80 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: lavida06 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Sweetness777 (big blind) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 4: sharkerJ showed [9c 5c] and won (6180) with a flush, King high
Seat 5: oilmoney42 folded before Flop
Seat 6: azpkrplr21 showed [Ah Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: SirFozzie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: alicalif folded before Flop

[The Afoci]

This has to piss people off too. A 20+2 on Party Poker, my best buddy and I are impared to the sky and decide poker is what we want to play. At this point we have been playing for about a half an hour when suddenly we notice a guys name is CARLTIME. We decide at his first bet, we will type 'its carltime!' and laugh. Then all hell breaks loose on the next four hands as I proceed to whoop ass.

***** Hand History for Game 2125945795 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12643267) - Sun May 29 21:36:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 13974 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: jimni (2070)
Seat 2: CARLTIME (2395)
Seat 4: The_Afoci (1280)
Seat 8: FullBoat49 (1120)
Seat 10: Deezel_Fuel (1135)
jimni posts small blind (150)
CARLTIME posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to The_Afoci [ 3h, Tc ]
The_Afoci folds.
FullBoat49 folds.
Deezel_Fuel folds.
jimni calls (150)
CARLTIME checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, 8s, Ac ]
jimni checks.
CARLTIME bets (300)
The_Afoci: its carltime!
jimni folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 900
Board: [ 7h 8s Ac ]
jimni balance 1770, lost 300 (folded)
CARLTIME balance 2695, bet 600, collected 900, net +300
The_Afoci balance 1280, didn't bet (folded)
FullBoat49 balance 1120, didn't bet (folded)
Deezel_Fuel balance 1135, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2125951080 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12643267) - Sun May 29 21:37:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 13974 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: jimni (1770)
Seat 2: CARLTIME (2695)
Seat 4: The_Afoci (1280)
Seat 8: FullBoat49 (1120)
Seat 10: Deezel_Fuel (1135)
CARLTIME posts small blind (150)
The_Afoci posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to The_Afoci [ 9h, 9d ]
FullBoat49 folds.
Deezel_Fuel folds.
jimni raises (600) to 600
CARLTIME folds.
The_Afoci calls (300)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, 2s, 4s ]
The_Afoci bets (680)
The_Afoci is all-In.
jimni calls (680)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 3d ]
Creating Main Pot with $2710 with The_Afoci
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2710 |
Board: [ Td 2s 4s 9s 3d ]
jimni balance 490, lost 1280 [ Jc Kh ] [ high card king -- Kh,Jc,Td,9s,4s ]
CARLTIME balance 2545, lost 150 (folded)
The_Afoci balance 2710, bet 1280, collected 2710, net +1430 [ 9h 9d ] [ three of a kind, nines -- Td,9h,9d,9s,4s ]
FullBoat49 balance 1120, didn't bet (folded)
Deezel_Fuel balance 1135, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2125953607 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12643267) - Sun May 29 21:38:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 13974 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: jimni (490)
Seat 2: CARLTIME (2545)
Seat 4: The_Afoci (2710)
Seat 8: FullBoat49 (1120)
Seat 10: Deezel_Fuel (1135)
The_Afoci posts small blind (150)
FullBoat49 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to The_Afoci [ Th, Tc ]
Deezel_Fuel folds.
jimni folds.
The_Afoci: ITS CARLTIME!
CARLTIME folds.
The_Afoci raises (450) to 600
FullBoat49 calls (300)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 9c, 4h ]
The_Afoci bets (1100)
FullBoat49 calls (520)
FullBoat49 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ah ]
Creating Main Pot with $2240 with FullBoat49
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2240 | Side Pot 1: 580
Board: [ Jh 9c 4h 2s Ah ]
jimni balance 490, didn't bet (folded)
CARLTIME balance 2545, didn't bet (folded)
The_Afoci balance 3830, bet 1700, collected 2820, net +1120 [ Th Tc ] [ a pair of tens -- Ah,Jh,Th,Tc,9c ]
FullBoat49 balance 0, lost 1120 [ 8c 9d ] [ a pair of nines -- Ah,Jh,9d,9c,8c ]
Deezel_Fuel balance 1135, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2125956373 *****
FullBoat49 finished in fifth place.
CARLTIME: i think your needle is skipping
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12643267) - Sun May 29 21:39:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 13974 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: jimni (490)
Seat 2: CARLTIME (2545)
Seat 4: The_Afoci (3830)
Seat 10: Deezel_Fuel (1135)
Deezel_Fuel posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to The_Afoci [ Js, Jd ]
The_Afoci: ITS CARLTIME!!!
jimni raises (490) to 490
jimni is all-In.
CARLTIME folds.
The_Afoci calls (490)
Deezel_Fuel folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1280 with jimni
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9c, 3d, Th ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1280 |
Board: [ 9c 3d Th 4h 5h ]
jimni balance 0, lost 490 [ Kc 9d ] [ a pair of nines -- Kc,Th,9d,9c,5h ]
CARLTIME balance 2545, didn't bet (folded)
The_Afoci balance 4620, bet 490, collected 1280, net +790 [ Js Jd ] [ a pair of jacks -- Js,Jd,Th,9c,5h ]
Deezel_Fuel balance 835, lost 300 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2125958368 *****
jimni finished in fourth place.
The_Afoci: ITS CARLTIME!
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12643267) - Sun May 29 21:39:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 13974 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 2: CARLTIME (2545)
Seat 4: The_Afoci (4620)
Seat 10: Deezel_Fuel (835)
CARLTIME posts small blind (150)
The_Afoci posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to The_Afoci [ Qc, Ah ]
Deezel_Fuel raises (835) to 835
Deezel_Fuel is all-In.
CARLTIME folds.
The_Afoci calls (535)
Creating Main Pot with $1820 with Deezel_Fuel
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, Qh, 4h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kh ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ts ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1820 |
Board: [ 9h Qh 4h Kh Ts ]
CARLTIME balance 2395, lost 150 (folded)
The_Afoci balance 5605, bet 835, collected 1820, net +985 [ Qc Ah ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ah,Kh,Qh,9h,4h ]
Deezel_Fuel balance 0, lost 835 [ 5s Ad ] [ high card ace -- Ad,Kh,Qh,Ts,9h ]

***** Hand History for Game 2125960070 *****
Deezel_Fuel finished in third place and won $40.
The_Afoci: ITS CARLTIME!!!!


I end up winning the damn thing, but 4 hands in a row, all-in, wins, last three knock out people. I need to drink more I think.

[Simms]

Here's my fun poker hand from the weekend.

No-limit Texas Hold’em $10+$1 (real money), hand #941,480,124
Amarillo Single Table Tournament, 28 May 2005 08:16 PM

Seat 1: jman535 ($2,555 in chips)
Seat 2: WWIII ($1,015 in chips)
Seat 3: grad1 ($1,455 in chips)
Seat 4: tmp01 ($1,115 in chips)
Seat 5: pokerwiz48 ($1,440 in chips)
Seat 6: LeTrev ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 7: simms3493 [AH,JH] ($1,480 in chips)
Seat 8: Brandog20 ($1,980 in chips)
Seat 9: L-Pap ($1,030 in chips)
Seat 10: dontomazo ($1,430 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
pokerwiz48 posts blind ($10), LeTrev posts blind ($20).

PRE-FLOP
simms3493 bets $80, Brandog20 folds, L-Pap folds, dontomazo bets $140, jman535 folds, WWIII folds, grad1 folds, tmp01 folds, pokerwiz48 folds, LeTrev folds, simms3493 calls $60.

FLOP [board cards 10H,KH,3D ]
simms3493 checks, dontomazo bets $325, simms3493 calls $325.

TURN [board cards 10H,KH,3D,QH ]
simms3493 checks, dontomazo bets $965 and is all-in, simms3493 calls $965.

RIVER [board cards 10H,KH,3D,QH,QS ]

SHOWDOWN
dontomazo shows [ QD,QC ], Four of a kind, Queens
simms3493 shows [ AH,JH ], ROYAL STRAIGHT FLUSH
simms3493 wins $2,890.
SUMMARY
Dealer: tmp01
Pot: $2,890
jman535, loses $0
WWIII, loses $0
grad1, loses $0
tmp01, loses $0
pokerwiz48, loses $10
LeTrev, loses $20
simms3493, bets $1,430, collects $2,890, net $1,460
Brandog20, loses $0
L-Pap, loses $0
dontomazo, loses $1,430

[flere-imsaho]

SirFozzie: I'm still learning, so don't be annoyed by this question, but you're annoyed at the guy with the 2 clubs, right? Because a) he won against two good pairs and b) he should be raising or folding, right?

Simms: That's evil. That guy must have gone from the heights of happiness to the pits of despair in about 2 seconds.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

SirFozzie: I'm still learning, so don't be annoyed by this question, but you're annoyed at the guy with the 2 clubs, right? Because a) he won against two good pairs and b) he should be raising or folding, right?

Simms: That's evil. That guy must have gone from the heights of happiness to the pits of despair in about 2 seconds.

The "infuriating" part for poker players in Fozzie's hand is that the guy beat recklesly before making his flush -- he went all-in with nothing but a draw, and a weak draw at that. At the point where everyone had their money in, he was a prohibitive underdog and got lucky.

Nothing drives experienced poker players more nuts than seeing someone put all their money in with nothing even close to the best hand unless it is a bluff. This wasn't a bluff -- he called the raises. Smart poker says you don't go all-in unless you think you have the best hand at that time. You don't want to be all-in and not have the best hand. Also, this was early in the tourney -- it's not like he was shortstacked and had to play.

[primelord]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

The wonderful part for poker players in Fozzie's hand is that the guy beat recklesly before making his flush -- he went all-in with nothing but a draw, and a weak draw at that. At the point where everyone had their money in, he was a prohibitive underdog and got lucky.

Nothing makes experienced poker players happier than seeing someone put all their money in with nothing even close to the best hand.

I fixed that statement for you because it was dead wrong. The guy going all-in pre-flop with 9c 5c is EXACTLY what an experienced poker player should want to happen. Anyone frustrated by this is being far too results oriented. If there weren't guys that were willing to go all-in with 96s then you wouldn't win.

FWIW the guy with KK actually got luckier than the guy with 96s. The 96s hand had a better chance of winning against AA than 96s did. Of course no one would berate the KK guy for his play despite the fact that he was a bigger under dog when he got all his money in. Everyoen needs to stop thinking of things in terms of what the specific cards a player is holding are and just think in terms of what your EV is. If you are the AA guy here you would ahve lost to either hand. It was a worse beat from the KK than the 96s. It doesn't matter though you got your money all-in with a chance to triple up when you had the best of it. There is nothing more you can ask for.

[Radii]

What primelord said. It's annoying as hell when you lose to a hand like that, but you have to remember that in the long run that's a huge edge for you.


Also, The Afoci needs to drink more, he was playing way too well for someone who was drinking a lot and decided WTF lets play poker.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Nothing drives experienced poker players more nuts than seeing someone put all their money in with nothing even close to the best hand unless it is a bluff. This wasn't a bluff -- he called the raises. Smart poker says you don't go all-in unless you think you have the best hand at that time. You don't want to be all-in and not have the best hand. Also, this was early in the tourney -- it's not like he was shortstacked and had to play.

You're gambling: cowboy up

[kcchief19]

Nothing drives experienced poker players more nuts than seeing someone put all their money in with nothing and winning with it.

Agreed -- I left out an important caveat. Certainly plays like that are what "fish" do -- and I should know because I'm a fish.

I was trying to explain to flere why somebodying sucking out drives good players crazy. It made sense to him that 96s played well because he won. But winning obviously doesn't mean he played well -- he just got lucky.

It's the psychology to the player. Fozzie wouldn't have brought this up if KK had lost to AA because even though KK is a greater underdog to AA than 96s suited is, because KK is a far superior hand to 96s, not withstanding the third hand. On the other hand, the 96s guy probably thinks he made a good play and doesn't think he got lucky.

[primelord]

Even your amended statement isn't completely true. Although I will give you it is better than before. Your profit in poker comes from your opponents making mistakes. They chase huge under dogs. However it doesn't drive me that crazy when they hit. They are supposed to hit from time to time. It's a certainty that they will hit from time to time. So when it happens I shrug it off and move on.

I know you know this Matt. I am not really arguing here to try and convince you. It's just that I know there are always new players to the game lookign at these threads and I just think it is important to make sure statements like yours are clarified so that everyone understands the situation. No one likes to lose a hand, but if you have AA and you knew your opponent had 96s you want him to call an all-in. Many new players don't understand that and I just thought it was important to make that point clear.

[The Afoci]

Originally Posted by Radii

Also, The Afoci needs to drink more, he was playing way too well for someone who was drinking a lot and decided WTF lets play poker.

Well, I feel it is the only way to level the playing field on Party Poker. Plus, with two of us drunk, we almost made a decent player.

[Subby]

ATTENTION NEW PLAYERS:

Understand that 95s is a monster hand and you will usually win big with it (see thread above).

Primelord and Radii don't know dick.