Becks to Spain?

Calis · 03-27-2003, 08:07 PM

Beckham to Real Madrid?

Thought we were in need of another Euro footie rumor to discuss, I just picked one source, this has been blasted all over for a while now. It has been denied by Becks, but I'm curious to see if people think this is a possibility? I know Beckham had said he might leave depending on who replaces Ferguson, but he always sounded like he would want to stay in England.

I personally don't think it's true, I just can't buy it, but the way Real Madrid throws around money, you never can tell.

P.S. I went ahead and signed up for Digital Cable to get Fox Sports World, and I have spent most of the day watching games and news, I'm in heaven here.

I think this might be a purchase I'll enjoy.

edit- sigh, I hoped I could remove the erroneous smiley from the message title, I guess not. It just bugged me that it was there, twas an accident.

Havok · 03-27-2003, 08:14 PM

i know nothing about Soccer. Is that guy good??

Calis · 03-27-2003, 08:16 PM

Yeah, he's probably the most "celebrated" soccer figure in Europe, at least I think he is, anyone actually FROM there feel free to correct me.

He's just a great free kick taker and crosser, I'd say he's one of the better players in the world for sure.

edit: forgot the most important part, he's married to Posh Spice! Now that's class!

illinifan999 · 03-27-2003, 08:19 PM

And isn't he married to a Spice Girl!?

Calis · 03-27-2003, 08:24 PM

Beat ya by a minute.

cthomer5000 · 03-27-2003, 08:29 PM

married to posh spice.

CAsterling · 03-27-2003, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Calis
Yeah, he's probably the most "celebrated" soccer figure in Europe, at least I think he is, anyone actually FROM there feel free to correct me.

He's just a great free kick taker and crosser, I'd say he's one of the better players in the world for sure.

An over-rated player, who is better known for his image these days than his skills - just like Gazza was.
There are better players already in the Real Madrid side, and I think Ryan Giggs or Paul Scholes are better Man Utd players.

I personally can't see why Real would want him, but maybe I'm just a tad biased - my favourite Backham moment, Posh Spice announcing is a national interview that her Husband likes wearing her underwear and parading in front of mirrors with it on

Havok · 03-27-2003, 08:44 PM

LOL!!!

i'd fucking kill my wife if she told a news paper that i wear her underwear!!!

Thats our little secret

Calis · 03-27-2003, 08:54 PM

Well maybe I should clarify a bit. I stand firmly behind him being one of the best free kick takers in the world, and I think it's beautiful to see him cross the ball.

I will freely admit he's an overrated player, and I also agree that Giggs would do more good for Real. I definitely don't think Beckham would be a hindrance to the team though, and the comment about his image being more than his skill now, well that counts for a lot. Beckham would rake in a lot of fans, and even more coverage for the team in general.

tucker342 · 03-27-2003, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by Havok
LOL!!!

i'd fucking kill my wife if she told a news paper that i wear her underwear!!!

Thats our little secret

Ya that would piss me off to

:o

Scholes · 03-27-2003, 11:36 PM

I don't think he's all that overrated....

He's absoulutely unreal with the ball.... he can do anything with it. His defense isn't all great shakes, but as far as what he brings to his club as well as his country, which he is the skipper of by the way, his skill can't be questioned.

Giggs is great, but seems to be declining already, Scholesey is up and down, Beckham is the heart of that team.

Calis · 03-27-2003, 11:55 PM

Well, actually I'd argue that Keane is the heart of that team, but ability-wise, Becks is definitely the core of it ability wise. I just don't really think you can beat Keane for leadership and just the overall grit.

Of course, you can also look at his being the skipper of his countries team as a knock against him. they haven't exactly been bringing down the house as of late. That's a half joke btw, you can't place the blame on him, it's the England tradition. They just can't shake the label of constant underachievers.

Hmm, thinking over this, I think I almost come off as a Beckham basher, which isn't the case. To be honest, he's probably my favorite player to watch, or way up there. As good as he is though, I think he gets portrayed as something of a mythical figure, so I'd still stand by him being overrated, not a knock on the guy at all.

daedalus · 03-28-2003, 12:15 AM

More attacking power doesn't seem to be what they need. With Morientes and Portillo already there, they probably would've been far better off without Ronaldo (because of the financial hit, not because of his skill). But, of course, as you said, Ronaldo and Beckham does bring a lot of publicity. Now that they moved one of their midfielder down to defender, they're going to really need more defense.

GoldenEagle · 03-28-2003, 12:16 AM

Beckham is not overrated. Anyone who can hit crosses and free kicks with the precision he does has a valuable place in the world of football.

RoastDuck · 03-28-2003, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by CAsterling
An over-rated player, who is better known for his image these days than his skills - just like Gazza was.
There are better players already in the Real Madrid side, and I think Ryan Giggs or Paul Scholes are better Man Utd players.

I agree with almost everything except the Giggs statement. He is over the hill now. He no longer frightens defenders with pace and still cannot cross a ball. This is not just my opinion - he has been roundly booed at Old Trafford this season and two Man U season ticket holders have told me they should sell him to Inter Milan if they get an offer.

Scholes is absolute class and would be the first name on my team sheet if I was Sir Alex.

Beckham, like others have said is deadly with crosses and free kicks but he is not the greatest player in Europe - not by a long shot.

I think you should bear in mind that the English media hype our players up so much. The proof as they say is in pudding and the fact is that Spanish clubs are superior in Europe and beat our teams on a regular basis. If you have access to La Liga you will not see a better level of soccer anywhere in the world.

daedalus · 03-28-2003, 03:53 AM

How do the various leagues in Europe compare stylistically? From various readings, it seems that La Liga has a more flowing kind of offense. Is this correct?

andy m · 03-28-2003, 04:31 AM

the premiership might not be the best league for technical football, but for the sheer thrill it is way ahead of other european leagues, where boring, slow football is the order of the day. english teams are tactically inept when it comes to dealing with this, hence arsenal's flowing football gets found out in europe. man utd are the only ones capable of countering that style.

i would rather watch newcastle play than any other team in europe, they are exhilirating. and i am more excited to see a conference league game than italian or spanish football. commitment, errors, bad players but a load of guys with heart and passion who run their arses off for 90 minutes. one of the best games i have ever been witness to was in the conference this season, barnet 3 - 4 leigh rmi. non stop action.

RoastDuck · 03-28-2003, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by daedalus
How do the various leagues in Europe compare stylistically? From various readings, it seems that La Liga has a more flowing kind of offense. Is this correct?

La Liga is indeed a flowing game where the emphasis is the need to control the ball, then pass it to someone in the same colour shirt and move into space to make one-self available to receive the ball again - nothing 'technical' about Spanish football at all, just common sense IMO. Spanish football has moved on a pace in the last 5 years and is far more attack-minded than it was in the 70's/80's.

English football as Andy points out is gung-ho. Each team literally spends 90 minutes trying to score (apart from Sunderland, who spend 90 minutes defending and scoring own-goals)

. This is what sets our league apart from anything else.

Serie A has/had a reputation for being the best technically but is just too damn slow for me.

The Bundesliga is a joke. I tried to watch it last season and was astonished how badly German has slipped behind the 3 other major European leagues.

Dutch football: Peaks and troughs, occasionally Ajax/Feyenoord/PSV will pop up with quality but they are too inconsistant.

Scottish football: Is closer to Aussie Rules.

daedalus · 03-28-2003, 06:28 AM

Much thanks, RoastDuck. That makes sense.

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Scottish football: Is closer to Aussie Rules.

Heh.

Cards4ever · 03-28-2003, 08:56 AM

Giggs would do Real Madrid no good, they have Figo on the left already, whereas Beckham can play the center or the right.

Great article recently on Real in Four Four Two, if you can get a chance to read it, I recommend it.

Calis · 03-28-2003, 09:23 AM

Well, I've heard opinions on whether he'd be good/not so good at Real, but do people actually think it's a possibility? I'll be the first to admit I'm not the most "in the know", and curious if anyone else has heard more on this subject.

Good point on the Giggs being next to useless for Real, no way in hell that he starts over Figo.

Roast Duck- I'm curious also, I haven't been following the Premiereship as much as usual this year, is Scholes really stepping it up this year? He always showed flashes of brilliance, but could never get any consistency out of him it seemed. That's excellent if he's playing up to his level now though, was hoping for that.

I'm also curious as to what has happened to the Bundesliga? I mean, it wasn't but a couple of years ago that they had some top tier teams, and now they appear to have fallen off the map. I never followed the German league, but I'm curious if someone can shed some light on what happened exactly.

Heh, I've spent the last two weeks trying to catch up on 6 months of Soccer I've missed. I finally find myself with time to psychotically follow a sport again.

scooper · 03-28-2003, 09:33 AM

I like Becks Dark to the regular variety. I've never had it in Spain, though.

RoastDuck · 03-28-2003, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by Calis
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is Scholes really stepping it up this year? He always showed flashes of brilliance, but could never get any consistency out of him it seemed. That's excellent if he's playing up to his level now though, was hoping for that.

I'm also curious as to what has happened to the Bundesliga? I mean, it wasn't but a couple of years ago that they had some top tier teams, and now they appear to have fallen off the map. I never followed the German league, but I'm curious if someone can shed some light on what happened exactly.

Scholes was really out of form during the tail end of last season but he has been turning in consistently good performances as this season has progressed. Coincidently, his return of form is mirrored by Steven Gerrard at Liverpool. He also lost his form after injury but has improved recently. Scholes, Gerrard and Beckham should in theory form a midfield to match any but for some reason England never fulfill this potential.

As for the German league, I am not sure why the standard has dropped so dramatically. I know that they have suffered from a finacial crisis but it is too simplistic to blame poor administration. They may have failed to match the other leagues in attracting top foreign talent and been left behind as the others have evolved further.

daedalus · 03-28-2003, 01:28 PM

I thought Figo was on the right with some English dude name Mac something on the left? Oi, now I'm confused (I've never seen Real play).

Calis · 03-28-2003, 02:28 PM

Steve McManaman is the name you're looking for, although he's usually too drunk to actually find his way on to the pitch. Does he actually start for Real still? I haven't watched them this year, but I didn't think he did.

I'm pretty positive that Figo plays on the right wing, unless he has changed positions this year?

CAsterling · 03-28-2003, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by daedalus
I thought Figo was on the right with some English dude name Mac something on the left? Oi, now I'm confused (I've never seen Real play).

The English Dude wold be Macmanaman (sp?), a good player who seems to have adapted to playing out of position on the left.

In reference to all the previous comments, yes I agree that Becks takes a great free kick, and good corners, but his rep was built on a long range shot early in his career. He has never shown that he can control a midfield or add much in open play.
Besides I have never forgiven him for his stupidity in being sent off during an England vs Argentina Match.

I just don't like the muppet

03-27-2003, 08:14 PM	#2
Havok College Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida	i know nothing about Soccer. Is that guy good?? __________________ Maniacal Misfitz - We're better than you and we know it!

03-27-2003, 08:16 PM	#3
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	Yeah, he's probably the most "celebrated" soccer figure in Europe, at least I think he is, anyone actually FROM there feel free to correct me. He's just a great free kick taker and crosser, I'd say he's one of the better players in the world for sure. edit: forgot the most important part, he's married to Posh Spice! Now that's class! Last edited by Calis : 03-27-2003 at 08:18 PM.

03-27-2003, 08:19 PM	#4
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	And isn't he married to a Spice Girl!? __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

03-27-2003, 08:44 PM	#8
Havok College Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida	LOL!!! i'd fucking kill my wife if she told a news paper that i wear her underwear!!! Thats our little secret __________________ Maniacal Misfitz - We're better than you and we know it!

03-28-2003, 12:16 AM	#14
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Beckham is not overrated. Anyone who can hit crosses and free kicks with the precision he does has a valuable place in the world of football. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

03-27-2003, 08:24 PM	#5
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	Beat ya by a minute.

03-27-2003, 08:54 PM	#9
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	Well maybe I should clarify a bit. I stand firmly behind him being one of the best free kick takers in the world, and I think it's beautiful to see him cross the ball. I will freely admit he's an overrated player, and I also agree that Giggs would do more good for Real. I definitely don't think Beckham would be a hindrance to the team though, and the comment about his image being more than his skill now, well that counts for a lot. Beckham would rake in a lot of fans, and even more coverage for the team in general.

03-27-2003, 11:36 PM	#11
Scholes High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN	I don't think he's all that overrated.... He's absoulutely unreal with the ball.... he can do anything with it. His defense isn't all great shakes, but as far as what he brings to his club as well as his country, which he is the skipper of by the way, his skill can't be questioned. Giggs is great, but seems to be declining already, Scholesey is up and down, Beckham is the heart of that team.

03-27-2003, 11:55 PM	#12
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	Well, actually I'd argue that Keane is the heart of that team, but ability-wise, Becks is definitely the core of it ability wise. I just don't really think you can beat Keane for leadership and just the overall grit. Of course, you can also look at his being the skipper of his countries team as a knock against him. they haven't exactly been bringing down the house as of late. That's a half joke btw, you can't place the blame on him, it's the England tradition. They just can't shake the label of constant underachievers. Hmm, thinking over this, I think I almost come off as a Beckham basher, which isn't the case. To be honest, he's probably my favorite player to watch, or way up there. As good as he is though, I think he gets portrayed as something of a mythical figure, so I'd still stand by him being overrated, not a knock on the guy at all.

03-28-2003, 12:15 AM	#13
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	More attacking power doesn't seem to be what they need. With Morientes and Portillo already there, they probably would've been far better off without Ronaldo (because of the financial hit, not because of his skill). But, of course, as you said, Ronaldo and Beckham does bring a lot of publicity. Now that they moved one of their midfielder down to defender, they're going to really need more defense.

03-28-2003, 03:53 AM	#16
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	How do the various leagues in Europe compare stylistically? From various readings, it seems that La Liga has a more flowing kind of offense. Is this correct?

03-28-2003, 04:31 AM	#17
andy m High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: norwich, UK	the premiership might not be the best league for technical football, but for the sheer thrill it is way ahead of other european leagues, where boring, slow football is the order of the day. english teams are tactically inept when it comes to dealing with this, hence arsenal's flowing football gets found out in europe. man utd are the only ones capable of countering that style. i would rather watch newcastle play than any other team in europe, they are exhilirating. and i am more excited to see a conference league game than italian or spanish football. commitment, errors, bad players but a load of guys with heart and passion who run their arses off for 90 minutes. one of the best games i have ever been witness to was in the conference this season, barnet 3 - 4 leigh rmi. non stop action. __________________ mostly harmless FOFL 2009 champs - Norwich Quagmire

03-28-2003, 08:56 AM	#20
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Giggs would do Real Madrid no good, they have Figo on the left already, whereas Beckham can play the center or the right. Great article recently on Real in Four Four Two, if you can get a chance to read it, I recommend it. __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

03-28-2003, 09:23 AM	#21
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	Well, I've heard opinions on whether he'd be good/not so good at Real, but do people actually think it's a possibility? I'll be the first to admit I'm not the most "in the know", and curious if anyone else has heard more on this subject. Good point on the Giggs being next to useless for Real, no way in hell that he starts over Figo. Roast Duck- I'm curious also, I haven't been following the Premiereship as much as usual this year, is Scholes really stepping it up this year? He always showed flashes of brilliance, but could never get any consistency out of him it seemed. That's excellent if he's playing up to his level now though, was hoping for that. I'm also curious as to what has happened to the Bundesliga? I mean, it wasn't but a couple of years ago that they had some top tier teams, and now they appear to have fallen off the map. I never followed the German league, but I'm curious if someone can shed some light on what happened exactly. Heh, I've spent the last two weeks trying to catch up on 6 months of Soccer I've missed. I finally find myself with time to psychotically follow a sport again.

03-28-2003, 09:33 AM	#22
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	I like Becks Dark to the regular variety. I've never had it in Spain, though.

03-28-2003, 01:28 PM	#24
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	I thought Figo was on the right with some English dude name Mac something on the left? Oi, now I'm confused (I've never seen Real play).

03-28-2003, 02:28 PM	#25
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	Steve McManaman is the name you're looking for, although he's usually too drunk to actually find his way on to the pitch. Does he actually start for Real still? I haven't watched them this year, but I didn't think he did. I'm pretty positive that Figo plays on the right wing, unless he has changed positions this year?

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