The Biden Presidency - 2020

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Sure, but after the last few SCOTUS decisions, it's pretty clear the idea that laws have to have been around for decades or centuries is going to be used as a reason to invalidate all sorts of things.

That screenshot is from today's ruling! They basically argued for and against originalism in the same ruling. It's just gibberish being put out.

Guys like Scalia were pretty big hacks but at least put a modicum of effort to hide their hypocrisy.

[Flasch186]

I just hope that they’ll stop the farce about precedence and starry dysisus (sic) in front of the senate. We know that’s just a sore and a hope they answer the questions as blandly as possible while nodding at precedence all the while knowing the days of precedence are over. They are getting on the court to make the change regardless of precedence so just say it.

Hypocrisy’s everywhere I’m afraid


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[larrymcg421]

Roe v Wade is gone.

[JPhillips]

And Thomas, in his concurrence, says the court should review Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. They're coming after contraception, gay marriage, and criminalizing same-sex relationships.

[Ksyrup]

The party of individual freedom!

[larrymcg421]

The 5(+1) person majority...

Nader - Roberts, Alito
Stein - Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

And Thomas, in his concurrence, says the court should review Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. They're coming after contraception, gay marriage, and criminalizing same-sex relationships.

Surprised he didn't include Loving.

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

The 5(+1) person majority...

Nader - Roberts, Alito
Stein - Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett

RGB's hubris had a hand in Barrett.

[JPhillips]

Pence, and I'm sure many others, are already calling for a nationwide ban. So much for sending it back to the states.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Surprised he didn't include [i]Loving[/i

Give it time.

[Lathum]

Juxtaposing the Friday ruling against Thursday's ruling on guns, Pelosi criticized the court's stance.

"Such a contradiction. Yesterday, to say the states cannot make laws governing the constitutional right to bear arms. And today, they're saying the exact reverse that the states can overturn a constitutional right — for 50 years a constitutional right for women having the right to choose."

The hypocrisy never ends.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The party of individual freedom!

The only freedom they care about is having a gun.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The hypocrisy never ends.

Where in the constitution is abortion protected? It's a 10th amendement issue afaic.

Whereas we do have the 2nd amendment addressing gun rights.

[cartman]

Alito flat out wrote in his opinion that there is no fundamental right to privacy. For any reason or purpose

[I. J. Reilly]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Give it time.

Lol, I can imagine they would just have to add, “present company excluded” to the opinion to get Thomas’ signature.

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Where in the constitution is abortion protected? It's a 10th amendement issue afaic.

Whereas we do have the 2nd amendment addressing gun rights.

My issue as I wrote on the last page is the abject hypocrisy of sitting in front of the Senate and saying one thing all the damn while knowing you'd do the other. Hypocrisy is a scourge. It's a sin hidden in an ends justified the means manner and should be frowned upon. Unfortunately we live in a world where even evangelicals are willing to wink and nod at some sins while upholding as paramount others. Show me the totem pole in the Bible please as to which ones matter and which ones don't or at least a ranking system. That would be helpful to observors.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Where in the constitution is abortion protected? It's a 10th amendement issue afaic.

Whereas we do have the 2nd amendment addressing gun rights.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

[Kodos]

Our country is embarrassing at this point.

[Qwikshot]

Republicans: The party that hates women and loves dead kids.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

My issue as I wrote on the last page is the abject hypocrisy of sitting in front of the Senate and saying one thing all the damn while knowing you'd do the other. Hypocrisy is a scourge. It's a sin hidden in an ends justified the means manner and should be frowned upon. Unfortunately we live in a world where even evangelicals are willing to wink and nod at some sins while upholding as paramount others. Show me the totem pole in the Bible please as to which ones matter and which ones don't or at least a ranking system. That would be helpful to observors.

This, 4 of those justices in one way or another stated they considered Roe settled law, only to flip. We expect politicians to lie, embellish and back track. Jurists on the highest court in the land should be bound on their word and integrity should be foremost.

Instead, we have multiple liars and one whose wife quite literally tried to assist in the destruction of democracy.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Where in the constitution is abortion protected? It's a 10th amendement issue afaic.

Whereas we do have the 2nd amendment addressing gun rights.

Where does it say corporations are people? Where does it say private schools are obligated to our tax dollars?

Heck, if you want to stick with the 2nd Amendment, where does it say people have a right to own guns outside the militia?

[miami_fan]

Manchin ‘alarmed’ by Kavanaugh, Gorsuch’s votes on Roe | The Hill

“I trusted Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh when they testified under oath that they also believed Roe v. Wade was settled legal precedent and I am alarmed they chose to reject the stability the ruling has provided for two generations of Americans,” Machin wrote.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I probably shouldn't laugh because of the decision he is talking about but this guy here. Shocked, shocked I tell you.

[kingfc22]

Dems need to ride this decision and message the hell out of it through these midterms and EVERY single election hereafter.

Will they, no.

[Ksyrup]

Manchin can commiserate with Susan Collins on how disappointed they are of people who have said one thing and done another.

The worst part is sitting up there and saying everything they said during confirmation hearings, and then signing on to an opinion that states "Roe was egregiously wrong from the start." I know there's no consequences so it doesn't matter, but I did expect some attempt to explain the decision in a way that wasn't 180 degrees different than what each of these people has expressed under oath.

[bhlloy]

I am very happy to be leaving this country in 2 weeks. Sad that I feel this way, and I’m sure many will say good riddance.

[Kodos]

It's getting harder to believe that this country can recover from the downward slope that it is on.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Kodos

It's getting harder to believe that this country can recover from the downward slope that it is on.

It can't.

The bigger picture for me is where we're going. Once we no longer agree upon a core set of fundamental values shared among the residents of all the "united" states, we are no longer a country. Eventually enough significant, fundamental issues are going to be left to the states - and in an attempt to enforce their own laws, states will criminalize acts of non-residents and others - where we will essentially need to issue passports to move from state to state. It's untenable.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I am very happy to be leaving this country in 2 weeks. Sad that I feel this way, and I’m sure many will say good riddance.

I share this sadness. I immigrated here from England as a young boy in 1968. This country has given me an amazing life, enabled me to see so many amazing things, meet so many amazing people and affect the lives of so many young men in a positive way through coaching.

I proudly served this country in the Army, raised a family and supported our leaders, whether I agreed with them politically or not. I am literally the definition of the American dream, yet I no longer recognize the country that gave me so much and it breaks me, both mentally and emotionally.

We started talking about off shore retirement a couple of years ago, with the main focus being to make our retirement dollar go further. Now, a large part of this conversation centers around just not wanting to be in this country anymore because the division, anger and feeling that there is no place for me politically anymore is almost overwhelming at times.

I think the majority of people in this country share similar feelings/beliefs as me, yet they get drowned out by the extremes. Quite frankly, I feel the portion of this country making the most noise is entitled, ungrateful for what this country has given them and out of touch with reality, in terms of how fucking lucky they are. I don't know what kind of wake up call we need as a whole, but there will be a point when even that won't matter.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Where does it say corporations are people? Where does it say private schools are obligated to our tax dollars?

Heck, if you want to stick with the 2nd Amendment, where does it say people have a right to own guns outside the militia?

Also where in the constitution does it state the government can impose loyalty pledges to foreign countries?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I am very happy to be leaving this country in 2 weeks. Sad that I feel this way, and I’m sure many will say good riddance.

Take me with you. I don't take up much room.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I share this sadness. I immigrated here from England as a young boy in 1968. This country has given me an amazing life, enabled me to see so many amazing things, meet so many amazing people and affect the lives of so many young men in a positive way through coaching.

Other than it being Wales not England, and a few decades later we share very similar experiences. This was my dream country to immigrate to my whole life, now I doubt I'm even going to file for the permit that would allow me to reenter I'm so disillusioned with the whole mess.

[Kodos]

A great first step to recovery would be forcing Texas out of the Union. Fuck them.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Dems need to ride this decision and message the hell out of it through these midterms and EVERY single election hereafter.

Will they, no.

I don't know that it will matter. You already see young people saying "I voted and this still happened. Why bother?" Then you deal with the large number of Americans are not politically engaged at all. The mostly won't feel the affects of over-turning Roe. They feel daily the cost of gas and the price of groceries. That, they are going to make someone pay for, and the Democrats are in control.

If I were prone to conspiracy, I would probably look at how the gas companies along with other commodity providers almost seem to be purposely shorting goods to force higher prices. That along with the massive amounts of investor dollars forcing home prices and rents to go through the roof at the same tme, it almost seems a concerted effort to make sure Democrats have no chance.

[BYU 14]

You know, I wonder of the SCOTUS decision would have been released at this point in time, if the J6 hearings were not going on and looking so bad for so many.

It would not surprise me in the least if behind the scenes maneuvering influenced this to give Americans something new to focus on.

[RainMaker]

4 of the 9 justices were appointed by a President who received fewer votes. They were also confirmed by a party in the Senate that received fewer votes.

The idea you can vote and get what you want is kind of silly when land matters far more than people in our Constitution.

[larrymcg421]

Lots of finger pointing about the "failure" to codify Roe. It's ridiculous to think that this same court wouldn't have overturned a Federal law that codified abortion rights.

[JPhillips]

And lots of magical thinking that codifying Roe would be the end. The GOP would just nuke it the next time they are in power. There's no procedural trick to win this fight.

Now, that being said, Dems better have a more robust plan than singing God Bless America on the steps. That was embarrassing.

[RainMaker]

It's about abortion. That's why they want to make it harder to get contraceptives that reduce the number of abortions in this country.

BREAKING: Clarence Thomas just filed a concurring opinion to Dobbs calling for the court to consider overturning the right to contraception, same-sex marriage, and privacy in the bedroom.

— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) June 24, 2022

[PilotMan]

Dark day today. Dark fucking day.

[albionmoonlight]

Even with the leak, Congressional Dems seem . . . surprised? by this.

If they weren't the entity standing between us and undemocratic white nationalist theocracy, it would almost be impressive to watch their incompetence.

Instead, we have to depend on them somehow saving us blind-squirrel-finding-a-nut style.

[CrimsonFox]

Betcha reps will celebrate by making a baby they don't want and then...oh...

[sabotai]

There should be a concerted effort to make the name Susan Collins synonymous with gullibility.

"Wow, you actually fell for the Nigerian prince scam? You're a real Susan Collins."

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by sabotai

There should be a concerted effort to make the name Susan Collins synonymous with gullibility.

"Wow, you actually fell for the Nigerian prince scam? You're a real Susan Collins."

you do know this is all an act don't you? Or did you Susan Collins that response?

[albionmoonlight]

Susan Collins reflects her voters--conservatives who want to appear moderate. There's a reason she's won reelection eleventy-billion times.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Kodos

A great first step to recovery would be forcing Texas out of the Union. Fuck them.

Let me out before the border closes, please! I'm trying to change things from the inside, and I genuinely feel we can get there eventually, but it may take too long. Today is depressing as all hell.

[Ksyrup]

So it'll be as little as 6 months between "the individual states should decide abortion rights" and a red wave in November after which these same people will be falling over themselves to file the national abortion ban legislation.

And the kicker will be when they don't have 60 votes in the Senate so they nuke the filibuster to do it.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

So it'll be as little as 6 months between "the individual states should decide abortion rights" and a red wave in November after which these same people will be falling over themselves to file the national abortion ban legislation.

And the kicker will be when they don't have 60 votes in the Senate so they nuke the filibuster to do it.

Not until 2025. Biden would veto, and the Constitution requires 2/3 votes to overturn a Presidential Veto. DeSantis or Trump will enact Gilead.

[Arles]

It will be fascinating to see all the christian conservatives rejoicing in today's decision saying, a few years down the line, how they don't want to raise taxes to pay for the cost of welfare due to the increase in the number of poor kids born due to less access to contraception.

This is like removing all toothbrushes and toothpaste from your house and then bitching about the dentist bill two years later. All actions have consequences (many not fully realized at the time).

[Carman Bulldog]

Your country is so fucked up.

But seriously, would it not make a lot more sense to just split into three countries at this point? You have the northeast/midwest, so say Minnesota and Iowa as a western border, a southern border of Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, and West Virginia and then Canada and the Atlantic as the north and east borders.

Then you have the west, which is Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Utah.

And basically that whole middle area and southeast can be as conservative as they want.

It's not perfect as far as red states - blue states but it's close and gives each of the three countries some defined structure.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

Your country is so fucked up.

But seriously, would it not make a lot more sense to just split into three countries at this point? You have the northeast/midwest, so say Minnesota and Iowa as a western border, a southern border of Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, and West Virginia and then Canada and the Atlantic as the north and east borders.

Then you have the west, which is Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Utah.

And basically that whole middle area and southeast can be as conservative as they want.

It's not perfect as far as red states - blue states but it's close and gives each of the three countries some defined structure.

The logistics and impact of any state or states breaking away is such that it's not remotely feasible.

[GrantDawg]

Freakanomics suggested that abortion becoming legal correlated to crime reduction. How can we sell this as Republicans being soft on crime?

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