NFL 2016 Head Coaching and Offseason Stuff - Page 11

cartman · 03-09-2016, 04:21 PM

Osweiler's contract:

4 yr/$72 million, $37 mil guaranteed

Pyser · 03-09-2016, 04:31 PM

stunning

not the money. that he'd leave.

Kodos · 03-09-2016, 04:36 PM

Holy crap. The next Scott Mitchell?

Thomkal · 03-09-2016, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Sounds like Osweiler to the Texans.

I think this is going to end badly for the Texans, another young QB with little experience getting big money based on a few games. Bill O'Brien I'm predicting will be gone this time next season. (be sure to repost this when I'm wrong.)

albionmoonlight · 03-09-2016, 04:42 PM

If anyone offers me $37 million guaranteed for any legal job, I am going to take it. So I don't want to be overly critical here.

But I wonder if Oswiler's long term earnings/career/legacy/whatever would have been better taking whatever Denver was offering and having Kubiak coach him in a much more stable organization for a few years to really develop into a top tier guy.

larrymcg421 · 03-09-2016, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Holy crap. The next Scott Mitchell?

*winces in pain*

Pyser · 03-09-2016, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

If anyone offers me $37 million guaranteed for any legal job, I am going to take it. So I don't want to be overly critical here.

But I wonder if Oswiler's long term earnings/career/legacy/whatever would have been better taking whatever Denver was offering and having Kubiak coach him in a much more stable organization for a few years to really develop into a top tier guy.

i doubt denvers offer was too far off. just crazy to leave the defending champs, where you spent 4 years training for the job

houston does have a good D, but, he must've been scared to take over manning's legacy?

Logan · 03-09-2016, 04:57 PM

Rapoport: Vernon to the Giants.

edit to add more from Rapoport: For Olivier Vernon and the #Giants, I'm told it's the biggest defensive end deal in history with the most guaranteed money

edit #2: 5/$85MM, with $52MM guaranteed

Holy schnikes

Thomkal · 03-09-2016, 05:06 PM

guess they aren't kidding around this season. Last I heard Jax was the high bidder.

Arles · 03-09-2016, 05:10 PM

4 years and $72 million for Osweiler? Heck, even Scott Mitchell and Matt Flynn have to be impressed. There is no way Brock is worth that kind of money. Kudos to Denver for not buckling under the pressure and paying him. I'd take Fitzpatrick for 2 years and try my hand at grooming someone from the draft. You could also trade for someone like Kaepernick or a backup some place. As the playoffs showed, Denver just needs a C at QB to have to shot.

Ryche · 03-09-2016, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

4 years and $72 million for Osweiler? Heck, even Scott Mitchell and Matt Flynn have to be impressed. There is no way Brock is worth that kind of money. Kudos to Denver for not buckling under the pressure and paying him. I'd take Fitzpatrick for 2 years and try my hand at grooming someone from the draft. You could also trade for someone like Kaepernick or a backup some place. As the playoffs showed, Denver just needs a C at QB to have to shot.

I like Brock but I have no problem with them not paying more. I think the fact that he made it to free agency without signing a deal was an indication he wanted to look elsewhere.

Your plan would work just fine with me.

stevew · 03-09-2016, 05:48 PM

Chase Daniel got 3/21 with the Eagles. I wonder if Bradford is getting flipped.

stevew · 03-09-2016, 05:50 PM

Chiefs, I mean the Cheatfs, lost a 3rd this year and a 6th next year for tampering with Jeremy Maclin.

cartman · 03-09-2016, 06:05 PM

I think the most surprising news of the day is that Manziel is still with the Browns.

NobodyHere · 03-09-2016, 06:12 PM

I think the Browns lose cap space if they cut Manziel right now.

SteveMax58 · 03-09-2016, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

An all time tweet...

Wow I know I'm going to get killed for this and I don't have a lot of room to talk, but this latest QB contract is unbelievable........ ��
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SteveMax58 · 03-09-2016, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Rapoport: Vernon to the Giants.

edit to add more from Rapoport: For Olivier Vernon and the #Giants, I'm told it's the biggest defensive end deal in history with the most guaranteed money

edit #2: 5/$85MM, with $52MM guaranteed

Holy schnikes

Clearly Jerry knows he's next if this team doesn't get it done.

I do like the talent there. Vernon, JPP, Harrison and Hankins is a pretty good unit....especially if they can resign Ayers. And Jenkins is a nice upgrade over Prince.

Bet TC wishes they spent like that for him.

Julio Riddols · 03-09-2016, 06:42 PM

Sanu getting 7 million per is just nutty.

claphamsa · 03-09-2016, 06:54 PM

35M for coby Fleener? i didnt think NO had that much space...

stevew · 03-09-2016, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I think the Browns lose cap space if they cut Manziel right now.

I think they're trying to void his guarantees.

claphamsa · 03-09-2016, 07:46 PM

someone wanted to pay two non #1 receivers like it...fine, and Jones was one of the best CBs in football last year. no problem with their moves.

Butter · 03-09-2016, 07:50 PM

Losing Marvin Jones will hurt, but Sanu never developed into the reliable receiver I thought he could be. He's not worth the money he will get in this market.

Yes, I hate Pacman too, but I'm fine with re-signing him. I

thesloppy · 03-09-2016, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I think they're trying to void his guarantees.

I think I remember some blabber during the offseason that the Browns had used some NFL financial mechanism to like move into the next fiscal season early and that somehow affected the timing of when they could cut Manziel.

stevew · 03-09-2016, 07:52 PM

Steelers supposedly in kinda big for Ladarius Green. He could have fantasy breakout potential next year

stevew · 03-09-2016, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy

I think I remember some blabber during the offseason that the Browns had used some NFL financial mechanism to like move into the next fiscal season early and that somehow affected the timing of when they could cut Manziel.

They rolled over their cap space meaning they were unable to cut him I believe. Not sure why but that's what I remember.

Julio Riddols · 03-09-2016, 07:54 PM

I'm thinking with the signings of Jones and Iloka and the losses of Sanu and Marvin, the Bengals are liking what they see from the WR class. I bet they draft 4 or 5 LB/WR in this draft. The 6M per season price tag for Iloka is very easy to swallow too.

thesloppy · 03-09-2016, 07:54 PM

Already looks to be a bit of a sellers market in FA, eh? I mean I guess it always is, but it seems like the lack of talent hitting the market this year (and the new cap $) has resulted in lots of second-tier players getting surprisingly big money deals.

Galaril · 03-09-2016, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

i doubt denvers offer was too far off. just crazy to leave the defending champs, where you spent 4 years training for the job

houston does have a good D, but, he must've been scared to take over manning's legacy?

The word in town here is they offered him three years at 16 million per year with 16 mill guaranteed . He apparently did not want to run the Kubiak offense where he couldn't be the big star throwing the ball 40-45 times a game. Also, it has now been reported he obviously did not want to be here and was pissed about being benched when he couldn't man up. I say good riddance.

Galaril · 03-09-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

RG3 to Denver?
Trade for QB?

Nah draft our guy maybe in the 2nd to 4th round and groom him. We are in a mini rebuilding sort of a slow roll back into a ramp I think in a year or two.

bhlloy · 03-09-2016, 08:32 PM

Ivory to the Jags is a real head scratcher for that money. Decent player but you can probably draft the exact same guy in the fourth round and pay a fifth of the price.

Didn't hate the Jackson price for an impact player, but that Ivory deal is going to look pretty bad IMO, especially as his running style means he is taking a ton of damage

Solecismic · 03-09-2016, 09:31 PM

The last few years, the cap has grown far faster than the perception (even from agents) of a reasonable salary. The Osweiler offer doesn't surprise me at all. If Denver really wanted him back, they would have kept him. Teams have room to make these offers where there's a short supply.

SteveMax58 · 03-10-2016, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

The last few years, the cap has grown far faster than the perception (even from agents) of a reasonable salary. The Osweiler offer doesn't surprise me at all. If Denver really wanted him back, they would have kept him. Teams have room to make these offers where there's a short supply.

Yep....that's why I'm not surprised nor upset about some of the seemingly overpaid contracts the Giants doled out today.

Obviously Vernon is not JJ Watt, but the cap space is there for a highly needed passrusher. Same with Jenkins at CB and Brock at QB. The inexplicable contract is Bradford to me, as the Eagles were bidding against themselves there but even so, it's only 2 years.

So the big concern for a team spending big at this point seems to be more about profitability....and I'm far less concerned (read: not at all) about that.

JAG · 03-10-2016, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMax58

Yep....that's why I'm not surprised nor upset about some of the seemingly overpaid contracts the Giants doled out today.

Obviously Vernon is not JJ Watt, but the cap space is there for a highly needed passrusher. Same with Jenkins at CB and Brock at QB. The inexplicable contract is Bradford to me, as the Eagles were bidding against themselves there but even so, it's only 2 years.

So the big concern for a team spending big at this point seems to be more about profitability....and I'm far less concerned (read: not at all) about that.

When your team drafts 2 pro bowlers in the past 8 years, you don't have much choice but to sign the best you can get of players that other teams are willing to discard. On rare occasions those teams make mistakes with their evaluations (and signing former Dolphins players seems like a good bet to take a chance on), but I think these moves should be classified as trying to do the best they can in suboptimal circumstances.

Alf · 03-10-2016, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

The last few years, the cap has grown far faster than the perception (even from agents) of a reasonable salary. The Osweiler offer doesn't surprise me at all. If Denver really wanted him back, they would have kept him. Teams have room to make these offers where there's a short supply.

Yup. Clearly.

Brock Osweiller did what's best for him : $37M guaranteed money vs $17M guaranteed <-- seems like an abvious no-brainer

Denver did what they thought was best for them : not invest in someone they apparently do no trust "that much". Might be easier for them not to pay for Osweiller since they just won a SuperBowl.

QuikSand · 03-10-2016, 09:33 AM

I like the mystery here...

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Yes, I hate Pacman too, but I'm fine with re-signing him. I

...it's like he was typing some semi-nasty stuff about Pacman Jones, and then right there mid-sentence Pacman busted into the room and shivved him.

Hey, they knew the risks.

Julio Riddols · 03-10-2016, 09:54 AM

Pacman impressive with that closing speed even at 33.

Abe Sargent · 03-10-2016, 10:21 AM

I like that Marcedes Lewis will likely finish his career with teh Jags and reupped with us.

albionmoonlight · 03-10-2016, 10:26 AM

Saints have lots of holes on defense, no starting quality guards, and limited cap room. So they just signed Coby Fleener to 5/36.

Underwhelmed.

Arles · 03-10-2016, 11:19 AM

Was waiting for this to start - Bring back Teeeebowww!

http://www.inquisitr.com/2872241/den...rock-osweiler/

Radii · 03-10-2016, 12:14 PM

Carolina cut DE Charles Johnson last week to save $11 million in cap space. He ended up turning down a $6 million offer from the Giants and has signed a $3 million 1 year deal to return to Carolina.

Dutch · 03-10-2016, 12:16 PM

Probably likes living in Charlotte.

Butter · 03-10-2016, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I like the mystery here...

...it's like he was typing some semi-nasty stuff about Pacman Jones, and then right there mid-sentence Pacman busted into the room and shivved him.

Hey, they knew the risks.

Sort of, I was typing some semi-nasty stuff about Pacman Jones, then deleted all of it except the "I" under threat of possible shiv.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-10-2016, 03:41 PM

Falcons sign Sanu.

Not sure why they're paying an average #3 like he's a #2 but I guess if you've got cap space then it's gonna get spent.

stevew · 03-10-2016, 03:47 PM

Ladarius Green to the Steelers for 4/20 could end up being a really good deal. We needed a TE bad.

SteveMax58 · 03-10-2016, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Ladarius Green to the Steelers for 4/20 could end up being a really good deal. We needed a TE bad.

I like that deal as well. Great value with big upside.

NobodyHere · 03-10-2016, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I think they're trying to void his guarantees.

Just like the Colts did with that runningback who shall not be named.

QuikSand · 03-10-2016, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Ladarius Green to the Steelers for 4/20 could end up being a really good deal. We needed a TE bad.

I like that deal a bunch, too.

Galaril · 03-10-2016, 07:38 PM

Mike Silver is reporting Kaep is either going to Cleveland or Denver. They were reporting 49ers had agreed to compensation and they are trying to restructure his contract. But sounds Cleveland is offering more than Denver is in draft Ickes. Also we got interest in Alfred Morris. I would be happy replacing Osweleirr and CJ with those two.

Peregrine · 03-10-2016, 10:05 PM

Have to say that if they could sign him this could be a viable option.

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Ryche · 03-10-2016, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Mike Silver is reporting Kaep is either going to Cleveland or Denver. They were reporting 49ers had agreed to compensation and they are trying to restructure his contract. But sounds Cleveland is offering more than Denver is in draft Ickes. Also we got interest in Alfred Morris. I would be happy replacing Osweleirr and CJ with those two.

Fine with Kaepernick depending on the compensation but they can draft a running back in the middle rounds who would be as good or better than Morris

03-09-2016, 04:21 PM	#501
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Osweiler's contract: 4 yr/$72 million, $37 mil guaranteed __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-09-2016, 04:36 PM	#503
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Holy crap. The next Scott Mitchell? __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

03-09-2016, 04:57 PM	#508
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Rapoport: Vernon to the Giants. edit to add more from Rapoport: For Olivier Vernon and the #Giants, I'm told it's the biggest defensive end deal in history with the most guaranteed money edit #2: 5/$85MM, with $52MM guaranteed Holy schnikes Last edited by Logan : 03-09-2016 at 05:01 PM.

03-09-2016, 05:10 PM	#510
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	4 years and $72 million for Osweiler? Heck, even Scott Mitchell and Matt Flynn have to be impressed. There is no way Brock is worth that kind of money. Kudos to Denver for not buckling under the pressure and paying him. I'd take Fitzpatrick for 2 years and try my hand at grooming someone from the draft. You could also trade for someone like Kaepernick or a backup some place. As the playoffs showed, Denver just needs a C at QB to have to shot. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 03-09-2016 at 05:12 PM.

03-09-2016, 06:05 PM	#514
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	I think the most surprising news of the day is that Manziel is still with the Browns. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-09-2016, 04:31 PM	#502
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	stunning not the money. that he'd leave.

03-09-2016, 04:42 PM	#505
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	If anyone offers me $37 million guaranteed for any legal job, I am going to take it. So I don't want to be overly critical here. But I wonder if Oswiler's long term earnings/career/legacy/whatever would have been better taking whatever Denver was offering and having Kubiak coach him in a much more stable organization for a few years to really develop into a top tier guy.

03-09-2016, 05:06 PM	#509
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	guess they aren't kidding around this season. Last I heard Jax was the high bidder.

03-09-2016, 05:48 PM	#512
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Chase Daniel got 3/21 with the Eagles. I wonder if Bradford is getting flipped.

03-09-2016, 05:50 PM	#513
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Chiefs, I mean the Cheatfs, lost a 3rd this year and a 6th next year for tampering with Jeremy Maclin.

03-09-2016, 06:12 PM	#515
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	I think the Browns lose cap space if they cut Manziel right now. __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

03-09-2016, 06:42 PM	#518
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Sanu getting 7 million per is just nutty. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

03-09-2016, 06:54 PM	#519
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	35M for coby Fleener? i didnt think NO had that much space... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

03-09-2016, 07:46 PM	#521
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	someone wanted to pay two non #1 receivers like it...fine, and Jones was one of the best CBs in football last year. no problem with their moves. __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

03-09-2016, 07:50 PM	#522
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Losing Marvin Jones will hurt, but Sanu never developed into the reliable receiver I thought he could be. He's not worth the money he will get in this market. Yes, I hate Pacman too, but I'm fine with re-signing him. I __________________ My listening habits

03-09-2016, 07:52 PM	#524
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Steelers supposedly in kinda big for Ladarius Green. He could have fantasy breakout potential next year

03-09-2016, 07:54 PM	#526
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	I'm thinking with the signings of Jones and Iloka and the losses of Sanu and Marvin, the Bengals are liking what they see from the WR class. I bet they draft 4 or 5 LB/WR in this draft. The 6M per season price tag for Iloka is very easy to swallow too. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA Last edited by Julio Riddols : 03-09-2016 at 07:56 PM.

03-09-2016, 07:54 PM	#527
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	Already looks to be a bit of a sellers market in FA, eh? I mean I guess it always is, but it seems like the lack of talent hitting the market this year (and the new cap $) has resulted in lots of second-tier players getting surprisingly big money deals. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

03-09-2016, 08:32 PM	#530
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Ivory to the Jags is a real head scratcher for that money. Decent player but you can probably draft the exact same guy in the fourth round and pay a fifth of the price. Didn't hate the Jackson price for an impact player, but that Ivory deal is going to look pretty bad IMO, especially as his running style means he is taking a ton of damage

03-09-2016, 09:31 PM	#531
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	The last few years, the cap has grown far faster than the perception (even from agents) of a reasonable salary. The Osweiler offer doesn't surprise me at all. If Denver really wanted him back, they would have kept him. Teams have room to make these offers where there's a short supply.

03-10-2016, 09:54 AM	#536
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Pacman impressive with that closing speed even at 33. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

03-10-2016, 10:21 AM	#537
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03-10-2016, 10:26 AM	#538
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Saints have lots of holes on defense, no starting quality guards, and limited cap room. So they just signed Coby Fleener to 5/36. Underwhelmed.

03-10-2016, 11:19 AM	#539
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Was waiting for this to start - Bring back Teeeebowww! http://www.inquisitr.com/2872241/den...rock-osweiler/ __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-10-2016, 12:14 PM	#540
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Carolina cut DE Charles Johnson last week to save $11 million in cap space. He ended up turning down a $6 million offer from the Giants and has signed a $3 million 1 year deal to return to Carolina.

03-10-2016, 12:16 PM	#541
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Probably likes living in Charlotte.

03-10-2016, 03:41 PM	#543
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Falcons sign Sanu. Not sure why they're paying an average #3 like he's a #2 but I guess if you've got cap space then it's gonna get spent. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-10-2016, 03:47 PM	#544
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Ladarius Green to the Steelers for 4/20 could end up being a really good deal. We needed a TE bad.

03-10-2016, 07:38 PM	#548
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Mike Silver is reporting Kaep is either going to Cleveland or Denver. They were reporting 49ers had agreed to compensation and they are trying to restructure his contract. But sounds Cleveland is offering more than Denver is in draft Ickes. Also we got interest in Alfred Morris. I would be happy replacing Osweleirr and CJ with those two.

03-10-2016, 10:05 PM	#549
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Have to say that if they could sign him this could be a viable option. Emmanuel Sanders: Uncle Rico can solve Broncos' quarterback crisis \| Sport \| The Guardian

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