2020 Democratic Primaries/General Election Thread

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I haven't lived in Texas in 13 years but that looks like the high turnout areas are San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas. All of which will vote dem by large margins.

OH WOW! YOU LIVE IN pyu-WA-lup!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I haven't lived in Texas in 13 years but that looks like the high turnout areas are San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas. All of which will vote dem by large margins.

Fort worth and El Paso I believe as well.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Dallas is democrat??? I thought everything up north was heavy rep

Dallas is dem while Fort Worth is republican. Had to confer with my wife who is from Dallas.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I haven't lived in Texas in 13 years but that looks like the high turnout areas are San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas. All of which will vote dem by large margins.

But also the suburbs around them so who knows what that means. The crazy thing is that almost all of the most populous counties in Texas are over 100% voting of 2016 and Election Day hasn't even happened yet.

Now, Texas has pretty robust early voting so in my county, like 80% of people did early voting in 2016. So don't expect to see like another 50% of votes cast on Election Day. But that a number of these counties are running over well over 100% of 2016 already probably is good news for the Dems.

SI

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

OH WOW! YOU LIVE IN pyu-WA-lup!

Yeah we moved here about 4 months ago. I think we found the most populous Trump city in Western Washington after living in a very liberal suburb of Tacoma for the past several years.

[CrimsonFox]

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Yeah we moved here about 4 months ago. I think we found the most populous Trump city in Western Washington after living in a very liberal suburb of Tacoma for the past several years.

well all that live there are cows and sheep so yeah

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

That's a really confusing graphic since O'Rourke and Obama are both Democrats.

SI

[CrimsonFox]

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

That's a really confusing graphic since O'Rourke and Obama are both Democrats.

SI

yes but it was the only one that i could find that fit on this fucking board

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

well all that live there are cows and sheep so yeah

I wish. Puyallup has exploded over the past decade. I think total population is up over 50k and traffic is absolutely awful because the roads here are still built to support traffic for when it was mostly cows and sheep.

[Ksyrup]

Great question, Fox News!

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— Fox News (@FoxNews) November 2, 2020

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I wish. Puyallup has exploded over the past decade. I think total population is up over 50k and traffic is absolutely awful because the roads here are still built to support traffic for when it was mostly cows and sheep.

you should try going to a concert at white river amphitheater in auburn.
holy shit.

getting off 405 or 5 takes forever....and then it's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG ride on fricking 1 lane joe's road through auburn to the amphitheater. Because they won't let them widen it because....yokels....

made me missed the first 4 songs of Rush in 2007

[CrimsonFox]

I'm okay with Hillary staying quiet.
everybody is mental about hating her

[Ksyrup]

Anyone know where John Kerry is?

[CrimsonFox]

Hamilton COunty ohio (cincy)

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Anyone know where John Kerry is?

Underground Punk Band and part time sex machine

[JPhillips]

Where is Joe Lieberman?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

you should try going to a concert at white river amphitheater in auburn.
holy shit.

getting off 405 or 5 takes forever....and then it's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG ride on fricking 1 lane joe's road through auburn to the amphitheater. Because they won't let them widen it because....yokels....

made me missed the first 4 songs of Rush in 2007

I saw Paramore/No Doubt there. It literally took us 3 hours to get out of the parking lot. Worst set up I even saw. Getting in wasn't much better but we got there early and got lucky.

[CrimsonFox]

Where is Jimmy Hoffa?

[Ironhead]

Seriously though, all of the "Where is ....." jokes made me wonder if John McCain would have had any impact on the election if he were still alive. For Trump's base I would say no. Maybe for some independents if McCain was being a very vocal reminder of how badly Trump has spoken about veterans?

[Ksyrup]

It's unfortunate Dubya has stayed silent.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ironhead

Seriously though, all of the "Where is ....." jokes made me wonder if John McCain would have had any impact on the election if he were still alive. For Trump's base I would say no. Maybe for some independents if McCain was being a very vocal reminder of how badly Trump has spoken about veterans?

I read that McCain polls real high with folks in the suburbs. It was a reason Biden played up the family endorsement so much.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Anyone know where John Kerry is?

Martha's Vineyard.

[NobodyHere]

Where's Waldo?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Martha's Vineyard.

actually Nantucket. I go by his house every summer and wave hello.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

actually Nantucket. I go by his house every summer and wave hello.

There once was a Kerry from Nantucket
Who took off his pants and said...

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Anyone know where John Kerry is?

What about Walter Mondale damn it?!

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Ok, so I did a back of the napkin (Excel spreadsheet) run of the early voting data in Texas. Really simple variables here and linear equations - nothing fancy.

Steps:

• I took all the counties in Texas and their D% and R% in 2016 (President) and 2018 (Senate: Cruz vs O'Rourke)
• Then I multiplied them by the number of early votes already cast by those % and saw what it got us

This way, if, say, hugely Democratic (or Republican) counties were voting a lot more, we'd see a shift that direction.


And... nothing. The numbers are very similar to the 2016 (52-43-5) and 2018 (51-48-1) race. The Dems have grabbed about a half percentage point from the GOP. So while a number of the most Democratic urban counties are showing really strong numbers, so are some suburban ones that typically lean more Republican.

That said, I can't take into account a couple of things and that's what you would need a political consultant and access into a party voter database:

• Have voters' preference changed? How many voted from Trump in 2016 and will vote Biden in 2020 (or Clinton/Trump - though I have to think the former outnumber the latter).
• Have the counties shifted demographically since 2016/2018? Older voters die out, younger voters get registered, people move, etc. I mean, there is a little bit of change from the Trump/Clinton race to Cruz/O'Rourke - is that from demographics or voter preference?
• Who has early voted? Does it skew more Democrat or Republican? You can see who has voted - my county puts out spreadsheets each day of which voters voted. If you can combine that with the aforementioned database access, you'll get a pretty good idea of where the race is right now. That's beyond my abilities or access.
• And what's Election Day going to look like? Is that going to skew more red or blue? That fits in more with the above bullet.

So, if you were expecting that the urban core was hugely energized and the rural areas weren't - that's not really the case. Actually, it is a bit - the rural areas have voted less but they're still early voting in high numbers. That said, there are only a handful of rural counties at under 70% turnout of 2016 and they have a combined 70K votes between them so it's not like they're going to suddenly change everything either.

I have no idea what this means for Election Day turnout. I don't know how many more votes are out there. Of the 40 most populous counties in Texas, only 4(!) are under 100% of turnout in 2016. So where is the enthusiasm and where are the votes left for Election Day?

Also, it feels like this just comes down to the suburbs - are they more blue this time around or do they stay just red enough for Trump and Cornyn. Using the 2018 numbers, the GOP only has a 50.5-48.7 advantage with the early voting turnout (Cruz beat Beto 50.9-48.3).

Lastly, a huge deal here is that the Texas House could be flipped, which means redistricting would have to be a lot more bipartisan for the next decade.

SI

[larrymcg421]

I did your same experiment with the GA numbers and found much more encouraging info. It came out with Biden ahead 52-48 (using the Trump/Clinton totals from 2016).

[GrantDawg]

Again!

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[Ben E Lou]

Looking at the info on when the vote counts will be in, it seems pretty unlikely that we'll have the election called on Tuesday night unless Biden wins Florida, or it's an absolute blowout for him. There are other scenarios that could lead to it getting called for him, but they all call for him to win multiple close states on Tuesday--mainly taking 2 out of three in OH-NC-GA. I don't see any realistic way that Trump gets to 270 on Tuesday. He'd have to win all three mentioned, plus have something like PA-OH-MI all called, or two of those three plus AZ.


If it hasn't been posted here, yet, here's a good breakdown of when states count votes: When To Expect Election Results In Every State | FiveThirtyEight

[whomario]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Again!

Definitely the guy you want in charge of coronavirus vaccine logistics https://t.co/wr6N9G62QE

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) November 2, 2020

It's what cult leaders do, test the resolve of their followers.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Looking at the info on when the vote counts will be in, it seems pretty unlikely that we'll have the election called on Tuesday night unless Biden wins Florida, or it's an absolute blowout for him. There are other scenarios that could lead to it getting called for him, but they all call for him to win multiple close states on Tuesday--mainly taking 2 out of three in OH-NC-GA. I don't see any realistic way that Trump gets to 270 on Tuesday. He'd have to win all three mentioned, plus have something like PA-OH-MI all called, or two of those three plus AZ.


If it hasn't been posted here, yet, here's a good breakdown of when states count votes: When To Expect Election Results In Every State | FiveThirtyEight

2020 called and said we aren't getting our election results on Tuesday night.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

2020 called and said we aren't getting our election results on Tuesday night.

Yup. Totally on brand.

[wustin]

please just let it be a blowout tuesday so we don't have to go through trump's bullcrap that entire week.

[JPhillips]

Biden losing NC certainly doesn't mean Trump will win, but Biden winning NC makes it almost impossible that Trump could win.

[Ben E Lou]

Back to 90/10.

[Kodos]

Let's get this thing done. Take him down.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Ok, so I did a back of the napkin (Excel spreadsheet) run of the early voting data in Texas. Really simple variables here and linear equations - nothing fancy.

Steps:

• I took all the counties in Texas and their D% and R% in 2016 (President) and 2018 (Senate: Cruz vs O'Rourke)
• Then I multiplied them by the number of early votes already cast by those % and saw what it got us

This way, if, say, hugely Democratic (or Republican) counties were voting a lot more, we'd see a shift that direction.


And... nothing. The numbers are very similar to the 2016 (52-43-5) and 2018 (51-48-1) race. The Dems have grabbed about a half percentage point from the GOP. So while a number of the most Democratic urban counties are showing really strong numbers, so are some suburban ones that typically lean more Republican.

That said, I can't take into account a couple of things and that's what you would need a political consultant and access into a party voter database:

• Have voters' preference changed? How many voted from Trump in 2016 and will vote Biden in 2020 (or Clinton/Trump - though I have to think the former outnumber the latter).
• Have the counties shifted demographically since 2016/2018? Older voters die out, younger voters get registered, people move, etc. I mean, there is a little bit of change from the Trump/Clinton race to Cruz/O'Rourke - is that from demographics or voter preference?
• Who has early voted? Does it skew more Democrat or Republican? You can see who has voted - my county puts out spreadsheets each day of which voters voted. If you can combine that with the aforementioned database access, you'll get a pretty good idea of where the race is right now. That's beyond my abilities or access.
• And what's Election Day going to look like? Is that going to skew more red or blue? That fits in more with the above bullet.

So, if you were expecting that the urban core was hugely energized and the rural areas weren't - that's not really the case. Actually, it is a bit - the rural areas have voted less but they're still early voting in high numbers. That said, there are only a handful of rural counties at under 70% turnout of 2016 and they have a combined 70K votes between them so it's not like they're going to suddenly change everything either.

I have no idea what this means for Election Day turnout. I don't know how many more votes are out there. Of the 40 most populous counties in Texas, only 4(!) are under 100% of turnout in 2016. So where is the enthusiasm and where are the votes left for Election Day?

Also, it feels like this just comes down to the suburbs - are they more blue this time around or do they stay just red enough for Trump and Cornyn. Using the 2018 numbers, the GOP only has a 50.5-48.7 advantage with the early voting turnout (Cruz beat Beto 50.9-48.3).

Lastly, a huge deal here is that the Texas House could be flipped, which means redistricting would have to be a lot more bipartisan for the next decade.

SI

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— matt mohn (@mattmxhn) November 2, 2020

[spleen1015]

On a scale of 1 to 10, what is everyone's anxiety level for this election?

I would put myself at a 7 today. I think I am being too dramatic, but sometimes you can't control anxiety.

[Kodos]

Probably a 7 today. Higher tomorrow. I'm confident Biden wins, we flip the Senate. I worry about Republican shenanigans tomorrow. I will feel better when the networks call it for Biden.

[wustin]

i made a bet with a coworker...

[Brian Swartz]

2 or 3. I'm still generally of the opinion that the world will keep turning regardless of who wins, and I don't think either of the candidates have any intention of taking the most important necessary actions for the betterment of the future of the planet and its inhabitants, so it's more or less an acceptance that not all that much will change regardless in the grand scheme.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

On a scale of 1 to 10, what is everyone's anxiety level for this election?

I would put myself at a 7 today. I think I am being too dramatic, but sometimes you can't control anxiety.

About a 7.5

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

2 or 3. I'm still generally of the opinion that the world will keep turning regardless of who wins, and I don't think either of the candidates have any intention of taking the most important necessary actions for the betterment of the future of the planet and its inhabitants, so it's more or less an acceptance that not all that much will change regardless in the grand scheme.

This has been my general position since I was a teen - until the past 4 years, and now this election. I don't know how anyone could look at what Trump has done and think "not all that much will change." He's already done so many things to change the way our government is supposed to work (for the worse) and polarizing the electorate on misinformation and outright lies that another 4 years of it is going to be a disaster for the long-term survival of our country. And spare me the "every politician lies" crap. this goes well beyond the levels we've ever seen before.

I will admit that I am not personally feeling any of it as an effect on my family, finances, general living of life (outside of Covid, of course) - but that's the exact point of why he's doing it and how he's getting away with it. The only tangible result of the last 4 years on me is the lack of civility, polarization from people I used to associate with, and fraying of nerves as I am forced to consider the wiping away of things I thought were a given about our country that are under attack. So yeah, the world will keep turning, but I'm not sure I'm going to enjoy the ride from this particular seat.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

2 or 3. I'm still generally of the opinion that the world will keep turning regardless of who wins, and I don't think either of the candidates have any intention of taking the most important necessary actions for the betterment of the future of the planet and its inhabitants, so it's more or less an acceptance that not all that much will change regardless in the grand scheme.

Usually i agree with this, but an unchecked Trump with a second term, a raging pandemic, and ghouls like Stephen Miller running things and we could drastically see out nation weakened.

Hell, the brain drain alone from immigration policies is going to set us back generations.

[Lathum]

I would say I am a 7. As an upper middle class white male rationally I know a lot won't change for us. Hell, the Biden tax plan would hurt us as we would be in the bracket where we get taxed more. I just can't stomach that monster running unchecked for 4 years while his supporters scream how they owned the libatards again. It just depresses me where we have gotten to.

My concern is how much he is going to try and ratfuck the whole process and really fracture us as a nation. I have always had the faith that the system will work, and he has deteriorated that faith to the point of I'm not so sure anymore.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

here are 8 easy ways for casual observers to keep track of texas election results without 'the needle' pic.twitter.com/17Rxt5N8j7

— matt mohn (@mattmxhn) November 2, 2020

no ElPaso? Get a rope!

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Usually i agree with this, but an unchecked Trump with a second term, a raging pandemic, and ghouls like Stephen Miller running things and we could drastically see out nation weakened.

Hell, the brain drain alone from immigration policies is going to set us back generations.

I have always been low anxiety as well, but I am much more in line with this and have been much more anxious than normal for the last 2-3 weeks.