COVID-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (a non-political thread, see pg. 36 #1778)

[sterlingice]

I've been having bad allergies the last week or two but that's because we've just started getting fall here. Still, had led to some nervous moments.

SI

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

fuck those selfish assholes. I blame them. Grandma, mom, dad, etc...aren't missing their wedding no matter what.

Should the guests have some personal responsibility? Absolutely, but the way you keep your wedding from being a super spreader event is don't have the wedding.

Having done a bunch of weddings over the last few months at our winery, I can tell you with great certainty that simply having weddings is not going to result in a 'super spreader' event. The real problem is people refusing to wear masks at those events. They're all in a room, getting drunk, and refusing to wear masks. At some point, personal responsibility becomes a major contributing factor. Governments are having to act because people can't be troubled to smack a mask on their face for a few hours.

Same things are happening late nights at local watering holes, hence the reason for the 10:00 closing times on bars/restaurants.

[Brian Swartz]

So I am sent notifications when someone employed at the store where I shop for a living tests positive for COVID. That's happened 5-6 times since the spring. Half of those have been in the past two weeks.

This could become problematic.

[ISiddiqui]

Well that's just terrifying

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Having done a bunch of weddings over the last few months at our winery, I can tell you with great certainty that simply having weddings is not going to result in a 'super spreader' event. The real problem is people refusing to wear masks at those events. They're all in a room, getting drunk, and refusing to wear masks. At some point, personal responsibility becomes a major contributing factor. Governments are having to act because people can't be troubled to smack a mask on their face for a few hours.

Same things are happening late nights at local watering holes, hence the reason for the 10:00 closing times on bars/restaurants.

That is the key point across the board in current times, and seems to be sadly lacking in a great many people in both our countries

[stevew]

I went to a wedding in late October and basically had a panic attack in the parking lot with the way everyone was crammed into such a small space. Had that same wedding happened this weekend, or the one before, I would have passed.

[Ksyrup]

KY taking a series of steps to try to get Covid spread under control.

Somebody explain how this is going to be enforced.

Starting Friday at 5 pm, private gatherings in Kentucky are limited to your family and one other family until December 13th

— Matt Jones (@KySportsRadio) November 18, 2020

[Brian Swartz]

It won't, just like California's, or the Michigan two-household standard. Some will comply voluntarily, but it's mostly an exercise in appearing to do something.

[henry296]

Nothing the states say is really enforceable.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

It won't, just like California's, or the Michigan two-household standard. Some will comply voluntarily, but it's mostly an exercise in appearing to do something.

This goes back to Mizzou’s point

Originally posted by Mizzou B-ball fan
At some point, personal responsibility becomes a major contributing factor

If people are too dumb to realise that this is for their own good and don’t follow the group size mandates, no sympathy if they get sick

[NobodyHere]

Ugh, I've been informed that my 90+ year old grandmother has been diagnosed with covid

[Ksyrup]

Sorry to hear. Hope she gets through it.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Having done a bunch of weddings over the last few months at our winery, I can tell you with great certainty that simply having weddings is not going to result in a 'super spreader' event. The real problem is people refusing to wear masks at those events. They're all in a room, getting drunk, and refusing to wear masks. At some point, personal responsibility becomes a major contributing factor. Governments are having to act because people can't be troubled to smack a mask on their face for a few hours.

Same things are happening late nights at local watering holes, hence the reason for the 10:00 closing times on bars/restaurants.

People are missing the point if they're primarily focusing on the masks, it's just a little piece of the puzzle. Masks aren't going to help you not infect others if you're not keeping enough distance, starting walking around, or wear flimsy material. The area being ventilated well is important as well. Additionally, putting the same mask on and off and on and off and on and off and on and off takes away from your own protection because you'll increase the number of times you're touching your face and increasing the odds of touching germs on the outside of that re-used mask.

[molson]

Originally Posted by henry296

Nothing the states say is really enforceable.

My state has done somewhat more than the states who did nothing, but not much compared to other states. As far as restrictions/lock-downs. A lot of people are calling for more mask mandates, but I really wonder if they would help. Most everyone is wearing masks in the liberal-ish parts of the state (Boise, Sun Valley, Moscow), and almost nobody is wearing them everywhere else. I don't believe any anti-maskers are going to start wearing a mask because the government tells them to at this point. If anything, I think they'd become more defiant, and we'd see more gatherings.

It doesn't seem like any state is really enforcing any mandates on individuals, but some are going after businesses, which are of course easier to regulate.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by AlexB

If people are too dumb to realise that this is for their own good and don’t follow the group size mandates, no sympathy if they get sick

Well, for a lot of people dumb or not isn't the issue; they value other things more highly than whether or not they get sick. The point I was making was about enforcement, not feeling sorry for anybody - ultimately at some point we decide to take the hit that comes from enforcement or we don't. Both approaches are problematic in different ways.

[GrantDawg]

Ah, man. Sorry to hear, Nobodyhere.

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[JPhillips]

Sorry to hear, Nobody. Wish her the best.

[IlliniCub]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

KY taking a series of steps to try to get Covid spread under control.

Somebody explain how this is going to be enforced.

Starting Friday at 5 pm, private gatherings in Kentucky are limited to your family and one other family until December 13th

— Matt Jones (@KySportsRadio) November 18, 2020

Aren't they all cousins anyway? I kid, it's just as bad in Illinois, no one listens to the restrictions down state anyway and they're not being enforced. Our local hospital is buckling and there's no slowdown in sight. Until it's them, the locals all maintain it's a big hoax.

[Kodos]

I hope your grandma will be okay. Scary for sure.

[whomario]

If nothing else, you have sth to add on when called for a noise complaint for example.

But almost none of any of the broader measures short of an actual "can't leave the house" mandate can be effectively enforced as such. But how is that different from a shit ton of other stuff at normal times ? Knowing it's not allowed is enough for plenty of people, for whome a mere recommendation isn't. There's also plenty of people who actually do make the connection that a mandate/law means that the problem is greater as opposed to it being merely combated with recommendations. That's human.
You don't need everybody to do it to get an effect.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by IlliniCub

Our local hospital is buckling and there's no slowdown in sight.

This. We only have so many hospital beds and medical professionals to serve the communities. It is not an unlimited resource.

[JPhillips]

JFC

We need to bring back tar and feathering.

“Tyson Foods ordered employees to report for work while supervisors privately wagered money on the number of workers who would be sickened by the deadly virus.” https://t.co/xtHVpyCsro

— Tommy Vietor (@TVietor08) November 19, 2020

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by whomario

If nothing else, you have sth to add on when called for a noise complaint for example.

But almost none of any of the broader measures short of an actual "can't leave the house" mandate can be effectively enforced as such. But how is that different from a shit ton of other stuff at normal times ? Knowing it's not allowed is enough for plenty of people, for whome a mere recommendation isn't. There's also plenty of people who actually do make the connection that a mandate/law means that the problem is greater as opposed to it being merely combated with recommendations. That's human.
You don't need everybody to do it to get an effect.

We've had a mask mandate since August. We've been warned against gatherings since March, including earlier limits on public gatherings and plenty of warnings about Memorial Day/July 4th/Labor Day/Halloween private get-togethers. The idea that now, an unenforceable restriction on private gatherings is going to do anything is laughable. In fact, I'd say that the same people who had no problem ignoring the previous advice will actually go out of their way to ignore the mandate. Within minutes of the governor's press conference, our Congressman issued a hyperbolic statement about destroying businesses, etc.

The restrictions on schools, restaurants, etc., might have an effect. The private gathering one will not - at least not for that portion of the population who has been ignoring the pandemic for 8 months.

[CrimsonFox]

You know what's dumb? That the CDC is NOW making statmeents telling people not to travel....instead of oh I don't know...a month ago. Why? because they were forbidden to by Trump and Pets so they could do their pet rallies. Their statements seriously mean nothing. Anyone who is smart won't travel and anyone who is stupid will. Thanksgiving is a joke of a holiday. It's a feed your face fest. Anyone can go to Kroger or costco and pick up a readybaked Turjkey with all the fixins and watch each other chew with their mouth open, drink a bottle of wine, say embarrassing things on zoom. This forced togetherness of the holidays has always been just really dumb....on the otherhand.....it does speak that if a holiday has to fortce you to see your family maybe there's a reason....one of which no one gets along the other being you are lazy and don't go home often enough. But either way doing so now is more of a punishment for all than usual.

[GrantDawg]

Sorry, Crimson. I don't know who hurt you.

I love Thanksgiving. I love being with my extended family, telling stories and laughing. Watching the dog show, and then football while cracking jokes and eating great food. It is my favorite holiday, and it sucks it won't happen this year the same way.

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[Brian Swartz]

So apparently today we went back up over 2k for the first time and a number of other countries esp. Italy are doing worse proportionally. That's after the weekend being lower, even accounting for the usual Tuesday late-reporting bump. How long until 2k or worse becomes the new normal once again I wonder?

[CrimsonFox]

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Sorry, Crimson. I don't know who hurt you.

I love Thanksgiving. I love being with my extended family, telling stories and laughing. Watching the dog show, and then football while cracking jokes and eating great food. It is my favorite holiday, and it sucks it won't happen this year the same way.

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And then, after a full day of awesome food and football, you get to enjoy a 3 day weekend! I love that Thanksgiving gets the "holiday" part of the holiday out of the way at the beginning. 4 days and it's on day 1.

Not like Easter, which is always on a Sunday. Like seriously, what asshole schedules a holiday to always happen on a day you have off from work anyway!?

[tarcone]

Just saw on the news 471,000 more deaths expected by March 1st.

[Brian Swartz]

Do you have any details on that tarcone? I'd be curious what assumptions it is based on, link to a source if there is one, etc.

[miami_fan]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/healt...ion/index.html

(CNN)Pfizer and BioNTech said they will submit to the US Food and Drug Administration today for an emergency use authorization for their coronavirus vaccine candidate.

This is the first coronavirus vaccine to seek a regulatory OK in the United States.
The companies said in a statement that their vaccine candidate, known as BNT162b2, will potentially be available for use in high-risk populations in the United States by the middle to end of December.

[Ksyrup]

In a bizarre effort to further coddle the baby president, Geraldo Rivera suggests naming the vaccine after Trump as a "nice gesture."

I was thinking the next major advancement in hemorrhoid therapy, but(t)...

[Brian Swartz]

Poland didn't fare badly in the spring, but apparently it's getting very bad there now.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

In a bizarre effort to further coddle the baby president, Geraldo Rivera suggests naming the vaccine after Trump as a "nice gesture."

I was thinking the next major advancement in hemorrhoid therapy, but(t)...

I'm not putting anything attached to Trump in my body unless Cohen cuts me a check for 130K

[Brian Swartz]

We could just call it the COVID vaccine, same as the flu vaccine or the polio vaccine or ...

no? Ok, it was just a thought.

[MIJB#19]

Trump will call it the China vaccine sooner or later...

[dubb93]

The Tremendously Great American Donald Trump Vaccine Against the CHINA Virus or TTGADTVAtCV for short. I mean why not? We already have a TDaP

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Do you have any details on that tarcone? I'd be curious what assumptions it is based on, link to a source if there is one, etc.

One of many on this. It is the model the White house has been using.

US COVID-19 deaths could hit 400k by end of February, model finds

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

One of many on this. It is the model the White house has been using.

US COVID-19 deaths could hit 400k by end of February, model finds

How long has it been since pence declared victory again?

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

One of many on this. It is the model the White house has been using.

400k total deaths by the end of February wouldn't surprise me. But what tarcone said was 471,000 more deaths, which would bring us to over 700k total.

That would be a horse of a different color.

[Ksyrup]

No, it's the latest model run that shows 471K total deaths by March assuming about 40 states enact mask mandates.

[Ksyrup]

Trump Jr has Covid. Rudy dyes his hair. Water is wet.

[stevew]

Rudy Is in isolation. Andrew tested positive.

[Ksyrup]

Friday evening news dump.

[Ksyrup]

Now it's at least 4 WH aides in addition to Guiliani have tested positive.

[Thomkal]

They should just call it the Trump virus at this point, because pretty soon his whole family will have had it

[stevew]

Call it TRRD

Trump related respiratory disease.

[sterlingice]

Trump Related Under-Masked Pneumonia or "Trump Disease" for short.

Look - I'm not good at naming things

SI

[thesloppy]

I mean Rudy's been displaying symptoms on live TV for seemingly three solid months now, this is a surprise to nobody.

[Ksyrup]

Turns out he was sweating so much because he probably had a 102 degree temp.