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View Poll Results: If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next
Normal transition of power. He meets with Biden, stays until 1/20, comes to inauguration, etc. 5 5.56%
He doesn't fight the result, but resigns prior to the inauguration. 2 2.22%
He fights the result but gives up shortly before the inauguration (let's define "shortly" as "some time after the EC meets on 12/14") 30 33.33%
He fights the result all the way to January 20th. Has to be physically removed. 12 13.33%
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up and resigns before the inauguration 6 6.67%
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up an then we have a normal transition as per option 1. 30 33.33%
Other. (You know you gotta specify this one.) 5 5.56%
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Old 12-08-2020, 09:42 PM   #651
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They are desperate to get to the Supreme Court because they believe the conservative court owes Trump a win, and one of the matters that the Supreme Court has original jurisdiction over (meaning, you don't have to go to another court before the SC) is suits between states. But this has no chance in hell.

Trump isn't smart enough to realize that McConnell stuffed the judiciary for McConnell, not Trump.
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Old 12-09-2020, 07:25 AM   #652
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Old 12-09-2020, 08:16 AM   #653
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Old 12-09-2020, 04:05 PM   #654
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17 states side with Texas in Supreme Court lawsuit aiming to overturn Biden wins in four states
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Old 12-09-2020, 04:14 PM   #655
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It's amazing how many states are going with let's steal the election.. when the SCOTUS declines to hear it, there is going to be violence...
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Old 12-09-2020, 04:43 PM   #656
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States rights! Until you do something I don't agree with.
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Old 12-09-2020, 06:16 PM   #657
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Old 12-09-2020, 06:22 PM   #658
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So can we get rid of the ridiculous electoral college now since these states are clearly fine making up their own rules.
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Old 12-09-2020, 06:33 PM   #659
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All of those states also changed their voting laws to adapt for the pandemic. So their results should probably be tossed as well.
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Old 12-09-2020, 06:55 PM   #660
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Too many political threads so not sure where this one should go:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/polit...ion/index.html

After pausing in the months before the election, federal authorities are now actively investigating the business dealings of Hunter Biden, a person with knowledge of the probe said. His father, President-elect Joe Biden, is not implicated.

Now that the election is over, the investigation is entering a new phase. Federal prosecutors in Delaware, working with the IRS Criminal Investigation agency and the FBI, are taking overt steps such as issuing subpoenas and seeking interviews, the person with knowledge said.

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Old 12-09-2020, 07:35 PM   #661
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Too many political threads so not sure where this one should go:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/polit...ion/index.html

After pausing in the months before the election, federal authorities are now actively investigating the business dealings of Hunter Biden, a person with knowledge of the probe said. His father, President-elect Joe Biden, is not implicated.

Now that the election is over, the investigation is entering a new phase. Federal prosecutors in Delaware, working with the IRS Criminal Investigation agency and the FBI, are taking overt steps such as issuing subpoenas and seeking interviews, the person with knowledge said.

Considering that Trump is going to self pardon and pardon his kids; Joe should just pardon Hunter day one and we move on.
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Old 12-09-2020, 08:04 PM   #662
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And Hilary to really drive them mad.
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Old 12-09-2020, 08:09 PM   #663
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Oh yeah to both ideas. That would really be sweet.
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Old 12-09-2020, 08:48 PM   #664
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Who actually gets to decide whether "a state" joins Texas in that? Is it just the state AG's call? 17 /50 just seems like so much when it's clearly a DoA lawsuit and one you can give lip support while ignoring officially even if you're cornered by MAGA idiots.
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Old 12-10-2020, 08:09 AM   #665
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I think it depends on the laws of that state. I know there was a controversy when former GA Attorney General (Thurbert Baker) was appealing a case to the Supreme Court. The Governor at the time didn't want to appeal, but since he was an elected separately, it was ruled that he got to make the final decision. It looks like only 3 AG's are appointed (Hawaii, New Hampshire, Wyoming), so I imagine in those states, the governor would make the final call.
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Old 12-10-2020, 08:16 AM   #666
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/polit...ede/index.html

Hard to tell if GOP leaders are so naïve that they think that Trump will suddenly decide to admit he lost on December 14th or if they think that we are so naïve that we believe them when they say that.

Actually, it isn't really hard. These are smart people. They know what they are doing. They just expect us to be too stupid to notice. Any elected official who hasn't denounced Trump's coup attempt is in on the coup attempt. And the occasional anonymous quote to a reporter that they'd rather not be doing a coup does not change that.
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Old 12-10-2020, 08:18 AM   #667
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dola: It isn't the coup they object to. It is the fact that the coup isn't succeeding. They are afraid that a failed coup might look bad to Georgia runoff voters.
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Old 12-10-2020, 08:36 AM   #668
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Yeah, they're just hedging their bets. The coup is a long shot, but if they can get it, it's worth trying to get for them.

It's more scary/frustrating/sad that no one is standing up and trying to do something about it. The Dems are basically pretending it's not happening and the GOP are all willing accomplices. And the populace is either 100% behind it or just trying to laugh it off because it's being done by a buffoon. Anyone not seeing this as a giant flashing red light for the next couple of decades is not paying enough attention.

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Old 12-10-2020, 08:57 AM   #669
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Old 12-10-2020, 09:01 AM   #670
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Old 12-10-2020, 09:52 AM   #671
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Dude....78%???

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Old 12-10-2020, 10:09 AM   #672
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Actually, that whole exchange is pretty relevant

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Old 12-10-2020, 11:55 AM   #673
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I am sure he has some poll that says 78% of respondents believe the election is rigged. Most likely it is an webpage poll on something like Newsmax.

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Old 12-10-2020, 12:01 PM   #674
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I am sure he has some poll that says 78% of respondents believe the election is rigged. Most likely it is an webpage poll on something like Newsmax.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about 78% of GOP, which in his mind are the only legal voters.
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The hashtag has gone from #StopTheSteal to #Overturn

I appreciate the honesty.

But I'm terrified that they aren't even pretending anymore.
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The hashtag has gone from #StopTheSteal to #Overturn

I appreciate the honesty.

But I'm terrified that they aren't even pretending anymore.
I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Brian Kemp when the Electoral College votes.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about 78% of GOP, which in his mind are the only legal voters.

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Old 12-10-2020, 03:32 PM   #678
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about 78% of GOP, which in his mind are the only legal voters.
I was going to suggest that as well, but then it is pretty much the same thing (Republican voters=Newsmax watchers).
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Old 12-10-2020, 03:39 PM   #679
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I've been reading some of these briefs for the Texas SCOTUS filing, and some of these are just dumb (like the one posted below). This whole filing again reinforces my idea that none of this stuff was ever filed in real expectation to succeed. It is only hoping something catches SCOTUS attention enough to stop the process so the electoral college voting deadline has past. It is super long shot, but if they throw enough crap against the wall, they hope something will stick.

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Old 12-10-2020, 03:46 PM   #680
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Let me move from Georgia first, but I am definitely down with this.
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Old 12-10-2020, 03:55 PM   #681
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Ugh, I don't want to have to cross an international border to visit my folks who live less than 10 miles away.

Maybe we can give the Toledo Strip back to Michigan?
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Old 12-10-2020, 03:58 PM   #682
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Ugh, I don't want to have to cross an international border to visit my folks who live less than 10 miles away.

Maybe we can give the Toledo Strip back to Michigan?
I am still trying to decide where I would move. Virginia is probably most like home, but I could see Oregon as a possibility if I could get used to living on the West Coast.
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:00 PM   #683
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We may have a Civil War, but the one thing nobody will be willing to fight for is Toledo.
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Michigan and Ohio nearly went to war over it in the 1830s.
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:07 PM   #685
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Yes, I know. That was kinda the joke, since Toledo is the armpit of America and the idea of fighting FOR it is funny as hell.
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:21 PM   #686
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The problem you have are the blue cities in red states. Atlanta and Austin sure as hell don't want to be part of Jesusland. We may have to do an airlift to keep them supplied over enemy lines.
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Old 12-10-2020, 04:30 PM   #688
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I'd say Gary, Indiana is the armpit of America. And it smells like it.
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I'd say Gary, Indiana is the armpit of America. And it smells like it.

Hey, leave my hometown alone. Not that you don't have a point, but it still is home.
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So it seems my house rep signed onto the lawsuit with SCOTUS. It makes sense, since his grandparents name is on half the buildings in town and he's never earned anything in his life. He calls himself a small business owner, his parents literally own the lease on his business.

I hope one day these people can actually be put on trial for treason.
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Ut-oh. The federal judge (Trump appointment) is suggesting he does have jurisdiction to hear the Wisconsin case. This would be the first federal judge to say they gave jurisdiction.

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To follow up, the judge did seem to think that the questions raised should have been handled before the election. It doesn't sound like he was to favorable to the Trump case, but it will still the first federal judge that has said they have jurisdiction in any of these cases.

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I'd say Gary, Indiana is the armpit of America. And it smells like it.

You've never been to El Paso.
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106 GOP Reps have signed on to the amicus brief in the Texas case. The GOP is pretty clearly anti-democracy now.
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Old 12-10-2020, 06:47 PM   #695
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So proud of my AG for opting out, even though it was an EXTREMELY unpopular decision among many in this very very red state.

Edit: State AG is such a strange office - they have a different role in every state, depending on tradition, the person holding the office, the relationship with the legislature, the political ambition involved, etc. At the end of the day, though, they're just the lawyer for the state. They shouldn't be policy-driven. Very few live up to that ideal.

Edit: but, our nutjob Lt. Governor is trying to join on her own. This dispute will not be good for AG Office funding next year, but, it is the right thing to do.

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I would love to see what the reaction would be if New York filed a similar lawsuit against West Virginia and Kentucky (and/or insert your favorite red state). I can just imagine Lindsay Graham and Ted Cruz and Rand Paul spinning in circles on how one is sensible and patriotic while the other is an abuse and mockery of the legal system.

How many days away are we from Trump retweeting someone declaring that the 15th Amendment should be repealed and the 19th should be amended to remove urban and suburban women, followed by 70% of GOP officials saying every option should be explored?
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Remember this Texas lawsuit when Republicans pull out the "states rights" or need for "strict constructionist" on the court.
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Old 12-10-2020, 08:12 PM   #698
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This means literally nothing, yet it's still hilarious.

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Old 12-10-2020, 08:14 PM   #699
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Michigan and Ohio nearly went to war over it in the 1830s.

and they fought on the football field
and reenact that war every year
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This means literally nothing, yet it's still hilarious.


Funny that he said no one has even come close to losing while winning those states. He, himself, came real close in 2016.

I don’t like this multiverse where we all have to go along with his delusions in order to stroke his ego.
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