WW CXXVI: Wolves in Asgard - Game Over (Result in Post 2538)

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Is there a reason I've missed that we're giving Autumn a pass today? If we're looking at EF voters then I would have thought we're concentrating on him or J23 but I haven't heard his name mentioned much if at all.

I requested a pass earlier, and received one good for No Lynches Entire Game. So that's why.

Vote away, but i don't think we've come to any consensus about voting EF voters, for instance. Some are voting Danny voters, some EF, I'm voting a Chubby voter and others are looking at those who were on outlying candidates.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Telle

You still have a vote on Danny from post #499.

Thanks. That vote post underwent a couple revisions and I forgot to unvote Danny in the final.

Unvote Danny
Vote Chubby

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I requested a pass earlier, and received one good for No Lynches Entire Game. So that's why.

Vote away, but i don't think we've come to any consensus about voting EF voters, for instance. Some are voting Danny voters, some EF, I'm voting a Chubby voter and others are looking at those who were on outlying candidates.

Oh I agree, and I'm not going to add you to the mix for today at this point. It just always pings my interest a little bit when somebody who seems to fit into a category of potential votes seems to not get any interest. Just didn't want you to feel left out is all

Plus if there was a good reason for trusting you, wanted to make sure I hadn't missed it

[ntndeacon]

put me in the category of one who has at least weak belief in Danny. As I looked back through the sequence of who voted whom when. A Couple of things struck me. first, something about Heinz's vote does not sit right with me.

Secondly, it looks like that Chubby and Danny unvoting and voting at the end was a deal to save each from the list only... I need to go back and read what was actually said round deadline, but it seems that way.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

put me in the category of one who has at least weak belief in Danny. As I looked back through the sequence of who voted whom when. A Couple of things struck me. first, something about Heinz's vote does not sit right with me.

Secondly, it looks like that Chubby and Danny unvoting and voting at the end was a deal to save each from the list only... I need to go back and read what was actually said round deadline, but it seems that way.

Feel free to ask away. Bottom line I was a lone vote on Racer and was leaving soon, so I had to go on a contendah. I know, likely story, but that's what it was.

[ntndeacon]

As I don't really like J23 or Lathum as suspects at the moment and I wanna see where this vote leads...

Vote jeheinz

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Feel free to ask away. Bottom line I was a lone vote on Racer and was leaving soon, so I had to go on a contendah. I know, likely story, but that's what it was.

as I said, I have little to go one by my hackles being raised. which is enough for me at the moment.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Is there a reason I've missed that we're giving Autumn a pass today? If we're looking at EF voters then I would have thought we're concentrating on him or J23 but I haven't heard his name mentioned much if at all.

My thinking was to vote on an EF voter that has been quiet so that was J23 and Hoops. I went with J23 given Hoops rep.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

as I said, I have little to go one by my hackles being raised. which is enough for me at the moment.

Fair enough. I'm a vanilla villager so I don't plan on raising some big stink if I'm lynched. Only that it'll be a disappointing uninformative lynch for the village.

I can't really complain about your vibe-vote when I'm presently doing the same though.

[Narcizo]

I've been wondering what possible powers Danny might have if he is a wolf. I think the Real Thor has to factor that in to their decision - there's no telling what damage Danny might be able to do if we lay off of him. That said I'm sort of coming around to him being ok.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I've been wondering what possible powers Danny might have if he is a wolf. I think the Real Thor has to factor that in to their decision - there's no telling what damage Danny might be able to do if we lay off of him. That said I'm sort of coming around to him being ok.

If he is a wolf, then his power likely revolves around the whole not getting lynched thing, no?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Fair enough. I'm a vanilla villager so I don't plan on raising some big stink if I'm lynched. Only that it'll be a disappointing uninformative lynch for the village.

I can't really complain about your vibe-vote when I'm presently doing the same though.

No need to raise a big stink when your mere presence provides one.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JAG

A moose once bit my sister


16. dubb93 - Odin (Night Killed Day 1)

There's something funny about this statement.
Can you guess what it is?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I've been wondering what possible powers Danny might have if he is a wolf. I think the Real Thor has to factor that in to their decision - there's no telling what damage Danny might be able to do if we lay off of him. That said I'm sort of coming around to him being ok.

Good question. If Danny is a wolf he, or another wolf, has the power to move the vote. That's a fairly normal power to have and is not too concerning to me.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

No need to raise a big stink when your mere presence provides one.

Dude I totally put on deodorant today.

[J23]

If Danny is who he says he is, then the wolves have got to be loving how much attention this whole debat has gotten.

[J23]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

DAY ONE

#67 22:03 Lathum votes Heinz (1)
#72 22:47 EagleFan votes Autumn (0)
#75 23:27 Barkeep votes EagleFan (1)
#80 00:30 Ntndeacon votes Danny (1)
#90 02:30 Narcizo votes Lathum (1)
#94 04:06 mckerney votes ntndeacon (1)
#97 07:03 Hoops votes EagleFan (2)

#106 09:36 Autumn votes chubby (1)
#117 10:11 Bhlloy votes chubby (2)
#126 10:52 Lathum unvotes Heinz (0)
#126 10:52 Lathum votes Danny (2)
#134 11:25 MrBug votes Zinto (1)
#147 11:47 Racer voes Thomkal (1)
#150 12:47 Heinz votes Racer (1)
#165 13:32 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (-1)
#165 13:32 EageFan votes Chubby (3)
#171 13:55 Zinto votes Lathum (2)

#174 14:20 Autumn unvotes Chubby (2)
#174 14:20 Autumn votes EagleFan (3)
#178 15:03 Telle votes Autumn (0)
#195 16:02 Chubby votes Lathum (3)
#204 16:53 Lathum unvotes Danny (1)
#204 16:53 Lathum votes Chubby (3)
#205 16:53 Telle unvotes Autumn (-1)
#205 16:53 Telle votes Danny (2)

#217 17:11 Heinz unvotes Racer (0)
#217 17:11 Heinz votes Danny (3)
#222 17:38 Racer unvotes Thomkal (0)
#222 17:38 Racer votes EagleFan (4)
#224 17:40 Thomkal votes Lathum (4)
#236 18:18 Darth Vilus votes Chubby (4)
#238 18:21 Dubb93 votes Danny (4)
#270 19:42 mau votes Danny (5)
#271 19:45 mau unvotes Danny (4)
#273 19:45 mau votes Chubby (5)
#276 19:46 J23 votes EagleFan (5)

#294 21:02 EagleFan unvotes Chubby (4)
#297 21:07 EagleFan votes Autumn (0)
#300 21:13 Lathum unvotes Chubby (3)
#300 21:13 Lathum votes EagleFan (6)
#307 21:25 Racer unvotes EagleFan (5)
#307 21:25 Racer votes Danny (5)

#308 21:33 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (-1)
#308 21:33 EagleFan votes Danny (6)
#309 21:34 Lathum unvotes EagleFan (4)
#309 21:34 Lathum votes Chubby (4)
#310 21:34 Danny votes EagleFan (5)
#320 21:48 Zinto unvotes Lathum (3)
#320 21:48 Zinto votes Danny (7)

#324 21:51 Danny unvotes EagleFan (4)
#324 21:51 Danny votes Chubby (5)
#344 22:00 Chubby unvotes Lathum (2)
#344 22:00 Chubby votes EagleFan (5)
#346 22:00 Danny unvotes Chubby (4)
#346 22:00 Danny votes EagleFan (6)

Danny 7: ntndeacon (80), Telle (205), jeheinz72 (217), dubb93 (238), Racer (307), EagleFan (308), Zinto (320)
EagleFan 6: Barkeep49 (75), hoopsguy (97), Autumn (174), J23 (276), Chubby (344), Danny (346)
Chubby 4: bhlloy (117), Darth Vilus (236), mauboy1 (273), Lathum (309)
Lathum 2: Narcizo (90), Thomkal (224)
ntndeacon 1: mckerney (94)
Zinto 1: MrBug708 (134)

For reference

[Danny]

Originally Posted by J23

If Danny is who he says he is, then the wolves have got to be loving how much attention this whole debat has gotten.

THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!!

[J23]

From looking at the vote changes at the end, I'm probably in the more leaning towards distrusting Danny. The change off EF in post 324 to make it 7-4 was odd, but it got another voter on EF instead of Danny so that when he swapped his vote back onto EF at the deadline the gap was only one vote. I could definately see it being a wolf move if one of them has the power to change another's vote.

[EagleFan]

unvote Lathum

vote Chubby

[J23]

To go one furthur, from looking at roles, I could imagine Utgaard-Loki having a vote changing ability.

[EagleFan]

Early feelings say Chubby, J23 and Danny are wolves (off skimming posts).

I would not be surprised if BK was.

Sadly, I think that means I made one h*** of a mistake yesterday.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by J23

From looking at the vote changes at the end, I'm probably in the more leaning towards distrusting Danny. The change off EF in post 324 to make it 7-4 was odd, but it got another voter on EF instead of Danny so that when he swapped his vote back onto EF at the deadline the gap was only one vote. I could definately see it being a wolf move if one of them has the power to change another's vote.

I don't follow. I tried looking at the voting record with the idea that Danny was bad and couldn't find any place where there was obvious wolf activity. Can you (re)explain your idea further?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Early feelings say Chubby, J23 and Danny are wolves (off skimming posts).

I would not be surprised if BK was.

Sadly, I think that means I made one h*** of a mistake yesterday.

I would be surprised.

[mckerney]

Vote Chubby

He looks like the best candidate with no one else other than Danny standing out to me after yesterday.

[J23]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Early feelings say Chubby, J23 and Danny are wolves (off skimming posts).

I would not be surprised if BK was.

Sadly, I think that means I made one h*** of a mistake yesterday.

As others pointed out before, why would Chubby single me out as "good" in one of his posts if he and I were both wolves?

Here are the scenarios I can come up with:
1 - he's a wolf and would name a villager as good to get some trust
2 - he's a villager with some power (I don't get think he'd have time for this, but who knows what some powers are.)
3 - he's a villager and just worded a hunch strangely (especially strange to pick me considering how few posts he has to base this off of)
4 - he's a wolf and named me as good as a tricky move to buy me trust if he got lynched thinking the village would assume #1 above. (This seems way too risky for a day1 move to me)

I'm guessing #3, but given that he picked me of all people, I'm considering #2

[J23]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't follow. I tried looking at the voting record with the idea that Danny was bad and couldn't find any place where there was obvious wolf activity. Can you (re)explain your idea further?

#324 21:51 Danny unvotes EagleFan (4)
#324 21:51 Danny votes Chubby (5)
#344 22:00 Chubby unvotes Lathum (2)
#344 22:00 Chubby votes EagleFan (5)
#346 22:00 Danny unvotes Chubby (4)
#346 22:00 Danny votes EagleFan (6)

Prior to this, Danny is up 7-5 on EF. Danny's unvote on EF elicits a reaction from villagers to think he's a good guy (and likely vanilla) otherwise why put yourself at more risk of being lynched?

After Chubby moves onto EF and makes the votes 7-5, Danny swaps back on EF to make it 7-6, where a vote swapping mechanic can move a vote off Danny onto EF and get EF lynched.

[J23]

Originally Posted by J23

As others pointed out before, why would Chubby single me out as "good" in one of his posts if he and I were both wolves?

Here are the scenarios I can come up with:
1 - he's a wolf and would name a villager as good to get some trust
2 - he's a villager with some power (I don't get think he'd have time for this, but who knows what some powers are.)
3 - he's a villager and just worded a hunch strangely (especially strange to pick me considering how few posts he has to base this off of)
4 - he's a wolf and named me as good as a tricky move to buy me trust if he got lynched thinking the village would assume #1 above. (This seems way too risky for a day1 move to me)

I'm guessing #3, but given that he picked me of all people, I'm considering #2

One other quick thought before I get back to work is that Chubby's info post about me came right at deadline (which is also the wolf deadline for actions). I can only imagine he does this as a villager trying to make sure he gets info out before he dies. I'm really starting to lean towards #2.

[JAG]

Day 2 Voting as of Post 678:

Chubby 5 - Lathum (501), Darth Vilus (644), Barkeep49 (652), EagleFan (670), mckerney (675)
J23 2 - Racer (609), Zinto (620)
Jeheinz72 2 - Danny (492), ntndeacon (656)
Lathum 1 - Chubby (403)
Darth Vilus 1 - Autumn (533)
Racer 1 - jeheinz72 (535)
ntndeacon 1 - Narcizo (607)

[J23]

Originally Posted by J23

#324 21:51 Danny unvotes EagleFan (4)
#324 21:51 Danny votes Chubby (5)
#344 22:00 Chubby unvotes Lathum (2)
#344 22:00 Chubby votes EagleFan (5)
#346 22:00 Danny unvotes Chubby (4)
#346 22:00 Danny votes EagleFan (6)

Prior to this, Danny is up 7-5 on EF. Danny's unvote on EF elicits a reaction from villagers to think he's a good guy (and likely vanilla) otherwise why put yourself at more risk of being lynched?

After Chubby moves onto EF and makes the votes 7-5, Danny swaps back on EF to make it 7-6, where a vote swapping mechanic can move a vote off Danny onto EF and get EF lynched.

In thinking more, I think the bolded part above isn't necessarily correct. He moved it from one guy with 4 votes (excluding his) to another with 4 votes (excluding his). It was probably just a move to try to get traction with a vote on anyone else.

However, I still think it's noteworthy that he switched back onto EF to make the gap in voting only 1 where a vote switch mechanic would save him and lynch EF.

[Autumn]

I don't think the Darth vote is going anywhere, and he says he won't be around anyway. So I'm moving. If Chubby wasn't so far ahead I would probably just vote him, I think that vote tells us a lot, which would be good. My second pick though is Heinz. It's just a vibe vote, but I got a strong intuition about him this morning and so I dno't mind seeing what happens if we push him up in the running.

unvote darth vilus
vote jheinz

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by J23

In thinking more, I think the bolded part above isn't necessarily correct. He moved it from one guy with 4 votes (excluding his) to another with 4 votes (excluding his). It was probably just a move to try to get traction with a vote on anyone else.

However, I still think it's noteworthy that he switched back onto EF to make the gap in voting only 1 where a vote switch mechanic would save him and lynch EF.

I don't think Danny has claimed a vote switch mechanic.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by J23

In thinking more, I think the bolded part above isn't necessarily correct. He moved it from one guy with 4 votes (excluding his) to another with 4 votes (excluding his). It was probably just a move to try to get traction with a vote on anyone else.

However, I still think it's noteworthy that he switched back onto EF to make the gap in voting only 1 where a vote switch mechanic would save him and lynch EF.

I think you could be onto something here, but it isn't anything I'll look too clodely at. I think the situation with Danny and the role of Thor will work itself out over the next couple days so it isn't something I think is worth spending a lot of time analyzing.

[J23]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't think Danny has claimed a vote switch mechanic.

Of course not, he claims that he's Thor. This was my line of thinking why I distrust his Thor reveal. It would be a wolf ability that he or one of his fellow wolves might have as I outlined earlier.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by J23

In thinking more, I think the bolded part above isn't necessarily correct. He moved it from one guy with 4 votes (excluding his) to another with 4 votes (excluding his). It was probably just a move to try to get traction with a vote on anyone else.

However, I still think it's noteworthy that he switched back onto EF to make the gap in voting only 1 where a vote switch mechanic would save him and lynch EF.

Originally Posted by J23

Of course not, he claims that he's Thor. This was my line of thinking why I distrust his Thor reveal. It would be a wolf ability that he or one of his fellow wolves might have as I outlined earlier.

Ok here's what I think. I think Chubby is Idunn and knows that J23 is Bragi. J23 doesn't know about Chubby though. J23 is suspicious of Danny's claims because J23 has Duke abilities and thus feels Danny's powers are more likely vote switch abilities than a duplication of his own powers.

Therefore I'm going to

Unvote Chubby

[Autumn]

Good thinking, BK. I hadn't read those roles carefully enough to notice the lovers connection. That seems a good possibility.

I'll have to go back and look. At the time I thought Chubby was just talking about some analysis, not that he really knew anything.

[J23]

I can tell you that your assumption is wrong Barkeep. I'm not Bragi, and I do not have a duke power. I have seen the vote-switch mechanic power in a number of games in the past, and the odd movement at the deadline really makes me think that it was in play here.

[J23]

I had been assuming that Utgaard-Loki had a vote-switch power which would make sense, but I suppose Bragi could have a vote counting as x3 which could have thrown off the numbers.

I think we might want to be extra careful on lynch numbers since a tie vote means an extra random person gets lynched, and it's ovvious that something screwy happened w/ the vote last night.

[mauchow]

I got busy with work and then took a break and got an ice cream cone..

And of course im Still busy with work. I'll try catching up before I go home and mow my lawn so it may be possible I'm out until an HR or two before deadline.

[jeheinz72]

Well, in preliminary self-defense since I'm outta here in an hour

Unvote Racer
Vote Chubby

[jeheinz72]

I'm not overly inclined to think Chubby is a wolf, though I ain't about to just be lynched for kicks.

I gotta think if I do end up getting lynched that there's wolves in them thar hills and they felt they needed to rescue Chubby.

Do with that what you will

[Chubby]

getting caught up, only on page 12 (was reading in the car on the way home)

[Narcizo]

Meh - got wrapped up watching a film and now I have to go to bed. Don't want to leave a single vote, even if I think it's better than the others out there. Don't have time to read through properly either.

Don't think Chubby is a wolf, don't think J23 is a wolf. I guess Heinz could be a wolf, who knows. Is there actually any case against him though.

I prefer ntndeacon. I think voting for Danny is a strange move for someone who's been around for the last year. Having had a go at mau and then done the same thing I'm going to do the same as mckerney and leave my vote where it is and hope people move from Chubby and don't leave my vote all alone. Sorry if something has come up that explains why ntn isn't getting looks but hey ho.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Racer

Vote J23

Going with a EF voter here. I'd like to know if Chubby is just going on hunch that J23 is good or if there is more to it. Not looking for Chubby to reveal more then that. Chose J23 among the EF voters because he's been more quiet then radar then the other ones.

You're voting a villager.

J23 is a family member of mine, I'm pretty convinced he does not have knowledge of me. I put that out there because I feared being duked onto and not getting that info out there. There's 0 reason for me to clear J23 who some thought wasn't even playing last night if I was a wolf.

i'm not a seer and not a bg, that's all I'd like to say at this point about it.

lathum could certainly build trust with me if he said which item he passed me.

but for now, it's time to vote for who should have gotten lynched last night

unvote lathum
vote danny

(still getting caught up)

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Racer

See, that's the thing. I'd like to get Chubby's response here. If it's just Chubby's hunch, then J23 is a fine vote. If it's more then that, then either Chubby's bad or he has a role (either of which point to J23 being good).

not a hunch.

[jeheinz72]

Unvote Chubby
Vote NTNDeacon

I didn't really like my vote on Chubby anyhow, so I'll throw caution to the wind and put myself into a tie

[Chubby]

caught up, questions? fire away. i'd prefer to keep the wolf focus on me, I doubt I got BG'd last night and don't need them setting their sights on somebody else

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

caught up, questions? fire away. i'd prefer to keep the wolf focus on me, I doubt I got BG'd last night and don't need them setting their sights on somebody else

I've got one, given Danny's reveal, do you still think voting for him is wise?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I've got one, given Danny's reveal, do you still think voting for him is wise?

Yup.

[J23]

Originally Posted by Chubby

J23 is a family member of mine, I'm pretty convinced he does not have knowledge of me. I put that out there because I feared being duked onto and not getting that info out there. There's 0 reason for me to clear J23 who some thought wasn't even playing last night if I was a wolf.

Ok, looks like #2 from my list earlier. What Chubby is saying makes sense to me.

Vote Danny