Lost: Season 1 & 2 Discussions - Page 15

CrimsonFox · 10-26-2012, 02:10 AM

hmmmm this episode is trying to be all beautiful mind but also part of "Frame of Mind" from Star Trek the NExt Generation. With the classic Riker line, "if that isn't a real phaser, what happened to Mavek!"

Oh yeah Total Recall too. I widsh they wouldn't have made this ep. I don't like it when they play with the "is it real/is it not real" question. Cause our answer as an audience is always "Well fuck I don't know. You fucking wrote it, you tell mw!'

Libby being in the mental hospital with him is pretty much saying that. THey are implying heavily this is all Hurley's dream which is as unsatisying as Patrick Duffy not really dying.

Creepy guy and his story of "not really typing in the numbers". Damnit that sucks. JOhn is so easily messed with.

CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 04:44 AM

Episode 2-19: S.O.S.

So back when Kate was captured and Jack and Sawyer confronted the bearded guy and bearded guy brought forth fire from everywhere. I thought there was something scary and rather odd about that. That there was no harm done to anyone at all. I expected SOMETHING to happen. on both sides. And at the VERY least I would have thought Jack would have asked where walt was at least and why they took him.

THe whole thing seemed odd.

Then Claire finds the fake beard. Hmmm. Make up and theatrics.

So walking home the other day I bump my head lightly on a lamppost and the reason is because I"m thinking about Lost and realize. Hmmm wait! I kow. The weird bugeyed guy in the hatch IS the bearded guy. It totally fits.

His face is all dirty just like the bearded guy's face was dirty. And the beard really didn't seem to match his face but I noticed he had very bugeyes.

So the last episode where Jack and Kate go out to that place again and there's nothing there. Totally fits. A total Wizard of Oz curtain moment. THere's nothing there. There never WERE any guys. Just guy in a beard that is now in their hatch. Granted there WERE two other guys. Fine. BUt definitely doesn't have to be a lot of guys.. Just a few with expert knowledge of the hatches and machinery. He's also messing with Locke way too muych. I think he pressed the button. I'm sure they had to do that before and saw the heiroglyphics.

Then again, John had never seen the glowy map before. That and the blast doors so that's the only difference. But I'm not belieing anything Henry says at this point. I'm pretty convinced he is the bearded guy.

Oh yeah Michael came back so this episode I"m about to watch I can hear him say "Walt!" 20 more times.

CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 05:29 AM

Episode 2-20: Two for the Road

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spleen1015 · 10-28-2012, 11:47 AM

what happened?

cschex · 10-28-2012, 12:26 PM

Based on his comments, he finished the ep after Michael comes back.

CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cschex

Based on his comments, he finished the ep after Michael comes back.

yup. the end of the ep is a real doozy, Michael suddenly kiling both analucia and libby. I know things aren't always what they seem on this show. But that ending was more contrived than any horror movie I've ever seen. They just spent a whole season building up the backstory of 3 new characters which replace 2 other characters they killed off because (theoretically) they weren't interesting enough. and suddenly they just COINCIDENTALLY kill TWO of them off at the SAME TIME???

I'm sorry but I have to call bullshit on JJ and Damon here. While the impact was huge, it was not satisfying in any way shape or form. Granted since this is a magic fairy island there may be some way they aren't dead.

To guess why Michael did that I see two possibilities....
1) Michael is brainwashed to kill those people specifically or was given some comand by the others to kill everyone or let the Other guy go free or whatever. Brainwashing is one of the more overdone (and one of the worst) drama plot devices I've seen especially in these types of shows.
2) Ana and Libby are actually others and Michael found something out about them. Granted then why did he apologize for killing them.

oh yes I forgot 3) Michael is an asshole and just kills them for random "Walt" reasons. They may have told him to do this or else they'd kioll Walt or something. If this is true then the group has ZERO I mean ZERO reasons left to keep Michael around and should point blank execute him with all 18 of sawyers guns! Every episode now Michael hurts someone and/or causes chaos/dissension/trip that gets them injured. Just KILL HIM! End of problem. Sure you can get Walt back but Michael as a character is no longer good.

I'm pretty pissed really. That was just bad.

sterlingice · 10-28-2012, 04:45 PM

You just feel for Hurley after that

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CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 06:38 PM

Episode 2-21: ?

Yeah John. Eko really needs you shouting his name at him repeatedly while he's trying to concentrate on climbing.

Circle marks the spot!

CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 06:41 PM

John got another hatch for Christmas...

CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 06:41 PM

Ooooh a recliner, TV and video games!

CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 06:43 PM

CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 06:50 PM

nice John. So if anybody's at centtral HQ, they know you are in the Pearl because you sent something up through the tube.

So John is no doubt going to spy on Jack

Hope he sees Michael being an a-hole.

So looks like the button is indeed a psychological test.

CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

You just feel for Hurley after that

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well that was their plan yeah. But it was all too contrived for me to feel anything for anyone at this point. It was way too forced Shakespearean. The whole her getting the blankets for their date and walking into gunfire. I find it really annoying that they just kill off the characters they've just introduced and wasted this season bothering to tell us things about them. What is the frickin point? Did they suddenly decide they didn't like an idea they previously had and "decided to go another direction"? The whole thing was very sloppy. I'm beginning to see that one of the big bullet points of this show and its theme is that the more dangerous things are not the unknowns of that which is around you but the dangers lie within the group of people you are with. I mean all their injuries come from them shooting and beating each other up and falling off cliffs and things brought about by themselves. No one else has actually done anything to them.

So now we're down to Kate as the only thing pretty to look at, unless you count Sawyer

Incidently if it were JUST Ana dying by all that I think I would mind this less. But theyve even done the contrived thing of her saying "Michael" and then dying before continuing. There is nothing new here. Seen it a thousand times.

sterlingice · 10-28-2012, 07:13 PM

I never quite understood the Libby killing. IIRC, the Anna Lucia one was because Michelle Rodriguez couldn't keep from drinking and driving and kept getting arrested.

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CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I never quite understood the Libby killing. IIRC, the Anna Lucia one was because Michelle Rodriguez couldn't keep from drinking and driving and kept getting arrested.

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huh? Really? Never knew that

CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 07:34 PM

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Sincerely hope that bitch doesn't stay on the series long. IF so this is the beginning of downhill

Sheesh they FINALLY were making headway with the Shannon character and this happens.

I guess I got my wish....

sovereignstar v2 · 10-28-2012, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I never quite understood the Libby killing. IIRC, the Anna Lucia one was because Michelle Rodriguez couldn't keep from drinking and driving and kept getting arrested.

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sterlingice · 10-28-2012, 08:22 PM

Ah, both got caught doing the same. D'oh. I guess I never heard about (um, actress who played Libby) as she was lower profile than Rodriguez. I wasn't watching Lost as it was showing initially except at the very end so I didn't keep with a lot of that

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CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

ha! Wow!

Nice timeline here...

"Lost" Girls Arrested For DUI | The Smoking Gun
Lost's Michelle Rodriguez Goes to Jail - Michelle Rodriguez : People.com
Michelle Rodriguez Booted Out Of Jail Already

CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 09:07 PM

From:

Ana Lucia Cortez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The development paragraph...

"In February 2005, Lost producers began looking for a Latina woman in her mid-thirties who would be the leader of the tail section, and a romantic interest for Jack.Michelle Rodriguez's agent called the producers, informing them Rodriguez was interested in the role, but only for a year.Rodriguez, producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, and Lost creator J. J. Abrams met, and Rodriguez explained she would only be interested in one season because she was a "nomadic spirit", but would like to do one wicked arc."

The writing of how all this went down totally smacks of this. Smacks of a planned ending for this character. Yet I think they shot themselves in the foot by even bothering having her on the show. She wasn't very likable. And there just seems to be an emptiness in having almost all of the tailsection people die so quickly. Makes you thik that there wasn't much of a purpose having them on the show to begin with.

The producers liked her energy, so agreed, with the plan to kill Ana Lucia at the end of the season.^[19]

She does have good energy, but again not likable enough. And too "stock character". I found her mother MUCH more interesting to watch.

"Rodriguez felt she had been typecast in tough female roles, so wanted this role to be different. Ana Lucia was planned to start as a tough character, because that is what the audience would expect, then the layers of the character would be gradually peeled back"

Well that's her own fault. It's called n actor's "bag of tricks" and she seemed to have a very limited one. Granted if you keep getting cast as the same, you want to keep working. Thus the catch-22. I do agree that the layers did peel and you saw moments of regret and slowly building of relationships with other characters.

Rodriguez described Ana Lucia as an "animalistic type creature... tamed by the Island. They reconstructed the character slightly to fit what they liked about Rodriguez, such as making her more "street smart" with a "speak-her-mind quality.

All Rodriguez was told about her character was both she and her mother were in the police force. Ana Lucia's style of leadership deliberately contrasts Jack's; Jack is a reluctant leader, whereas Ana Lucia quickly takes charge on her own.

Her relationship with her mother, the police chief, I found fascinating. I didn't feel Ana was a leader though. Just a bully.

"The producers found Ana Lucia to be an unsympathetic character, so Libby was killed at the same time to create an emotional impact."

This is a total horseshit reason to kill off a DIFFERENT character. Absolute doubletalk. You don't remove characters just when they are starting to be interesting unless it's like Charlie Sheen. And I return to what I said before. The killing of both of them at the same time was so contrived that it absolutely had no emotional impact whatsoever to me as far as them dying. The impact was all about Michael suddenly just kiling people.

^"The producers also denied she was killed off because of Rodriguez's behaviour on set, saying although they had no interaction with her, they had been told she had been professional. Rodriguez felt comfortable on the series, but was happy to leave as she felt this would help her grow personally, and become a woman. She had mixed feelings about leaving Hawaii, where Lost is filmed; her allergies were hard to deal with, but she loved the scenery."

Poor planning by everyone I think. Rodriguez should have stayed on the show really. I think her character would have gotten better. Already started a separate love triangle between Kate and Sawyer. Well actually a Square now adding Jack.

sterlingice · 10-28-2012, 09:55 PM

I'm trying to think of characters from the tail section who survived the second season

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spleen1015 · 10-28-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I'm trying to think of characters from the tail section who survived the second season

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CF, DON'T read this spoiler!!!

Spoiler

sterlingice · 10-28-2012, 10:15 PM

I was going to have CF tell me since he'd have a good hand on it.

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CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I was going to have CF tell me since he'd have a good hand on it.

SI

Well I think I have 2 episodes left of the second season but it looks like only Mr Emo and Bernard left. But as I said they still have 2 eps left to pointlessly have someone shoot them. Granted they can always die between seasons and have the characters in season 3 say "oh by the way. Eko ate some bad fish then broke his leg, then fell off a cliff, then Kate accidently shot him in the head yesterday. We buried him already. Let's all be sad."

spleen1015 · 10-28-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Well I think I have 2 episodes left of the second season but it looks like only Mr Emo and Bernard left. But as I said they still have 2 eps left to pointlessly have someone shoot them. Granted they can always die between seasons and have the characters in season 3 say "oh by the way. Eko ate some bad fish then broke his leg, then fell off a cliff, then Kate accidently shot him in the head yesterday. We buried him already. Let's all be sad."

Which leg? You have it all right if you pick the right one.

CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Which leg? You have it all right if you pick the right one.

Actually I should have said he broke his spleen

sterlingice · 10-28-2012, 10:34 PM

Rose and Bernard are a cute couple

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CrimsonFox · 10-28-2012, 10:39 PM

ha I accidently said Mr Emo instead of Eko above...but....same difference

CrimsonFox · 10-30-2012, 12:49 AM

Episode 2-22: Three Minutes

FUCK YEAH Sayid! Fuck YEAH Sawyer! Tell Jack to go FUCK himself!
Jack just can't resist walking into traps even when Michael acts as suspicious as he can.

Tell Michael to fuck himself too.

CrimsonFox · 10-30-2012, 12:54 AM

I think Sayid knows something is up. Sayid is the least stupid person on this island and has the best read on everybody.

CrimsonFox · 10-30-2012, 12:55 AM

LOL!!!!!!!!! Vince playing fetch with Heroine Mary! HAHAHAHAHAHA

CrimsonFox · 10-30-2012, 01:04 AM

Incidently I bet Harold Perrineau didn't need anyone to help him with his lines.

CrimsonFox · 10-30-2012, 01:17 AM

Attaway Sayid! Figure things out! I knew you'd do it!

Incidently doesn't Sun have just the prettiest wide eyes you've ever seen?

sabotai · 10-30-2012, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Incidently doesn't Sun have just the prettiest wide eyes you've ever seen?

YES!

CrimsonFox · 10-31-2012, 02:32 AM

Episode 2-23 & 24: Live Together Die Alone Part 1 & 2

Eko has joined my list of totally annoying obnoxious characters.

I really like Desmond especially the Desmond/Locke interactions. Nice to have someone around that knows a little more about what's going on. I'm storming through the 2 part finale. Michael's been exposed.
Gonna be interesting but I can't hope for any other ending than Michael gets shot and Eko blows up at this point.

I think the moral of this whole series is "Stop being such a stubborn asshole and stop holding secrets that might prevent someone from getting hurt."

CrimsonFox · 10-31-2012, 02:43 AM

HA! OMG the tubes from the Pearl sitting out on the island. I really hope Jack just goes barbarian on their ass. With some Sayid torture too.

CrimsonFox · 10-31-2012, 03:12 AM

hmmm expected more from the season 2 finale.

CrimsonFox · 10-31-2012, 03:21 AM

Glad John finally DIDN'T press the button. Michael has sold his soul. PLEASE someone shoot him. Maybe Walt will do it. Have a slight feeling we won't see Michael and Walt again in season 3. Maybe in a flash forawrd. OH yeah season 3 is next. And that's where I heard this show just goes wrong until it gets back on track.

CrimsonFox · 10-31-2012, 06:34 AM

Well the nice thing is they aren't carrying on with the exact same concepts for the entire show....They muddled about the hatch for a season and then moved on INTO the hatch.

They muddled about the button all of season 2...and now the button is no more. So obviously they will be spending season 3 doing other stuff. Dealing with The Others I guess. I'm surprised they didn't do ANYTHING with Sayid and Jin and SUn doing something. I think that's why the finale just fell down kinda.

Already don't like Madame Cleo. Wanna stuff something in her mouth. Then again she has a good "Disney Evil Queen" vibe to her.

Very interesting btw that Desmond's girlfriend is looking for him. And has found him. The thought that Michael is "gonna get away". Hmmm. I don't think I believe them. Although the other part of me thinks that's just them getting rid of 2 more characters.

Also surprised Walt didn't say ANYthing to Michael about Jack/Sawyer/Kate.

sterlingice · 10-31-2012, 08:30 AM

IIRC, Season 3 was quite strong with only a couple of clunker episodes but there is some frustration as the curtain is pulled back on the Others. That said, you reach the end of season 3 and in the finale, everything changes.

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CrimsonFox · 11-01-2012, 07:06 AM

just realized reading over the imdb cast list that Analucia's mother was Rachel Ticotin! From Total Recall and Falling Down (and even Gargoyles)!
Nice!

sterlingice · 11-01-2012, 09:13 AM

There's a name from the past: Gargoyles. Hard to believe that was Disney

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CrimsonFox · 11-01-2012, 12:57 PM

Not hard at all considering how cute and fluffy they made even stone statues look. Plus it had Jonathan Frakes and Ernest Borgnine. COme on....how offensive could those two get...

CrimsonFox · 11-04-2012, 09:30 AM

Done inserting all season 1 episode labels in place in my posts. Will start the season 2 ones when I"ve had pancakes.

CrimsonFox · 11-04-2012, 05:43 PM

Okay all season 2 names and titles attached to the areas I was talking about them. Obviously some eps I didn't have much to say. Maybe I"ll rectify that someday. ANyway for those who were confused where I was and wanted to comment, now you can

CrimsonFox · 11-04-2012, 05:46 PM

Incidently is there anyone who has a good interview source as to why certain plots went a certain way and especially why certain characters were SUDDENLY written out of the show? THe 1st and 2nd seasons were FULL of this with Shannon and Boone and MIchael and Walt and the "Tailies". Looking for behind the scenes reasons.

10-26-2012, 02:10 AM	#701
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	hmmmm this episode is trying to be all beautiful mind but also part of "Frame of Mind" from Star Trek the NExt Generation. With the classic Riker line, "if that isn't a real phaser, what happened to Mavek!" Oh yeah Total Recall too. I widsh they wouldn't have made this ep. I don't like it when they play with the "is it real/is it not real" question. Cause our answer as an audience is always "Well fuck I don't know. You fucking wrote it, you tell mw!' Libby being in the mental hospital with him is pretty much saying that. THey are implying heavily this is all Hurley's dream which is as unsatisying as Patrick Duffy not really dying. Creepy guy and his story of "not really typing in the numbers". Damnit that sucks. JOhn is so easily messed with. Last edited by CrimsonFox : 10-26-2012 at 02:12 AM.

10-28-2012, 04:44 AM	#702
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Episode 2-19: S.O.S. So back when Kate was captured and Jack and Sawyer confronted the bearded guy and bearded guy brought forth fire from everywhere. I thought there was something scary and rather odd about that. That there was no harm done to anyone at all. I expected SOMETHING to happen. on both sides. And at the VERY least I would have thought Jack would have asked where walt was at least and why they took him. THe whole thing seemed odd. Then Claire finds the fake beard. Hmmm. Make up and theatrics. So walking home the other day I bump my head lightly on a lamppost and the reason is because I"m thinking about Lost and realize. Hmmm wait! I kow. The weird bugeyed guy in the hatch IS the bearded guy. It totally fits. His face is all dirty just like the bearded guy's face was dirty. And the beard really didn't seem to match his face but I noticed he had very bugeyes. So the last episode where Jack and Kate go out to that place again and there's nothing there. Totally fits. A total Wizard of Oz curtain moment. THere's nothing there. There never WERE any guys. Just guy in a beard that is now in their hatch. Granted there WERE two other guys. Fine. BUt definitely doesn't have to be a lot of guys.. Just a few with expert knowledge of the hatches and machinery. He's also messing with Locke way too muych. I think he pressed the button. I'm sure they had to do that before and saw the heiroglyphics. Then again, John had never seen the glowy map before. That and the blast doors so that's the only difference. But I'm not belieing anything Henry says at this point. I'm pretty convinced he is the bearded guy. Oh yeah Michael came back so this episode I"m about to watch I can hear him say "Walt!" 20 more times. Last edited by CrimsonFox : 11-04-2012 at 04:55 PM.

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10-28-2012, 11:47 AM	#704
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	what happened? __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

10-28-2012, 04:45 PM	#707
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	You just feel for Hurley after that SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-28-2012, 12:26 PM	#705
cschex High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX	Based on his comments, he finished the ep after Michael comes back.

10-28-2012, 06:38 PM	#708
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Episode 2-21: ? Yeah John. Eko really needs you shouting his name at him repeatedly while he's trying to concentrate on climbing. Circle marks the spot! Last edited by CrimsonFox : 11-04-2012 at 04:57 PM.

10-28-2012, 06:41 PM	#709
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	John got another hatch for Christmas...

10-28-2012, 06:41 PM	#710
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Ooooh a recliner, TV and video games!

10-28-2012, 06:43 PM	#711
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10-28-2012, 06:50 PM	#712
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	nice John. So if anybody's at centtral HQ, they know you are in the Pearl because you sent something up through the tube. So John is no doubt going to spy on Jack Hope he sees Michael being an a-hole. So looks like the button is indeed a psychological test.

10-28-2012, 07:13 PM	#714
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I never quite understood the Libby killing. IIRC, the Anna Lucia one was because Michelle Rodriguez couldn't keep from drinking and driving and kept getting arrested. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-28-2012, 08:22 PM	#718
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Ah, both got caught doing the same. D'oh. I guess I never heard about (um, actress who played Libby) as she was lower profile than Rodriguez. I wasn't watching Lost as it was showing initially except at the very end so I didn't keep with a lot of that SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-28-2012, 09:07 PM	#720
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	From: Ana Lucia Cortez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The development paragraph... "In February 2005, Lost producers began looking for a Latina woman in her mid-thirties who would be the leader of the tail section, and a romantic interest for Jack.Michelle Rodriguez's agent called the producers, informing them Rodriguez was interested in the role, but only for a year.Rodriguez, producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, and Lost creator J. J. Abrams met, and Rodriguez explained she would only be interested in one season because she was a "nomadic spirit", but would like to do one wicked arc." The writing of how all this went down totally smacks of this. Smacks of a planned ending for this character. Yet I think they shot themselves in the foot by even bothering having her on the show. She wasn't very likable. And there just seems to be an emptiness in having almost all of the tailsection people die so quickly. Makes you thik that there wasn't much of a purpose having them on the show to begin with. The producers liked her energy, so agreed, with the plan to kill Ana Lucia at the end of the season.^[19] She does have good energy, but again not likable enough. And too "stock character". I found her mother MUCH more interesting to watch. "Rodriguez felt she had been typecast in tough female roles, so wanted this role to be different. Ana Lucia was planned to start as a tough character, because that is what the audience would expect, then the layers of the character would be gradually peeled back" Well that's her own fault. It's called n actor's "bag of tricks" and she seemed to have a very limited one. Granted if you keep getting cast as the same, you want to keep working. Thus the catch-22. I do agree that the layers did peel and you saw moments of regret and slowly building of relationships with other characters. Rodriguez described Ana Lucia as an "animalistic type creature... tamed by the Island. They reconstructed the character slightly to fit what they liked about Rodriguez, such as making her more "street smart" with a "speak-her-mind quality. All Rodriguez was told about her character was both she and her mother were in the police force. Ana Lucia's style of leadership deliberately contrasts Jack's; Jack is a reluctant leader, whereas Ana Lucia quickly takes charge on her own. Her relationship with her mother, the police chief, I found fascinating. I didn't feel Ana was a leader though. Just a bully. "The producers found Ana Lucia to be an unsympathetic character, so Libby was killed at the same time to create an emotional impact." This is a total horseshit reason to kill off a DIFFERENT character. Absolute doubletalk. You don't remove characters just when they are starting to be interesting unless it's like Charlie Sheen. And I return to what I said before. The killing of both of them at the same time was so contrived that it absolutely had no emotional impact whatsoever to me as far as them dying. The impact was all about Michael suddenly just kiling people. ^"The producers also denied she was killed off because of Rodriguez's behaviour on set, saying although they had no interaction with her, they had been told she had been professional. Rodriguez felt comfortable on the series, but was happy to leave as she felt this would help her grow personally, and become a woman. She had mixed feelings about leaving Hawaii, where Lost is filmed; her allergies were hard to deal with, but she loved the scenery." Poor planning by everyone I think. Rodriguez should have stayed on the show really. I think her character would have gotten better. Already started a separate love triangle between Kate and Sawyer. Well actually a Square now adding Jack.

10-28-2012, 09:55 PM	#721
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I'm trying to think of characters from the tail section who survived the second season SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-28-2012, 10:15 PM	#723
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I was going to have CF tell me since he'd have a good hand on it. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-28-2012, 10:34 PM	#727
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Rose and Bernard are a cute couple SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-28-2012, 10:39 PM	#728
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	ha I accidently said Mr Emo instead of Eko above...but....same difference

10-30-2012, 12:49 AM	#729
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Episode 2-22: Three Minutes FUCK YEAH Sayid! Fuck YEAH Sawyer! Tell Jack to go FUCK himself! Jack just can't resist walking into traps even when Michael acts as suspicious as he can. Tell Michael to fuck himself too. Last edited by CrimsonFox : 11-04-2012 at 05:11 PM.

10-30-2012, 12:54 AM	#730
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I think Sayid knows something is up. Sayid is the least stupid person on this island and has the best read on everybody.

10-30-2012, 12:55 AM	#731
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	LOL!!!!!!!!! Vince playing fetch with Heroine Mary! HAHAHAHAHAHA

10-30-2012, 01:04 AM	#732
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Incidently I bet Harold Perrineau didn't need anyone to help him with his lines.

10-30-2012, 01:17 AM	#733
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Attaway Sayid! Figure things out! I knew you'd do it! Incidently doesn't Sun have just the prettiest wide eyes you've ever seen?

10-31-2012, 02:32 AM	#735
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Episode 2-23 & 24: Live Together Die Alone Part 1 & 2 Eko has joined my list of totally annoying obnoxious characters. I really like Desmond especially the Desmond/Locke interactions. Nice to have someone around that knows a little more about what's going on. I'm storming through the 2 part finale. Michael's been exposed. Gonna be interesting but I can't hope for any other ending than Michael gets shot and Eko blows up at this point. I think the moral of this whole series is "Stop being such a stubborn asshole and stop holding secrets that might prevent someone from getting hurt." Last edited by CrimsonFox : 11-04-2012 at 05:12 PM.

10-31-2012, 02:43 AM	#736
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	HA! OMG the tubes from the Pearl sitting out on the island. I really hope Jack just goes barbarian on their ass. With some Sayid torture too.

10-31-2012, 03:12 AM	#737
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	hmmm expected more from the season 2 finale.

10-31-2012, 03:21 AM	#738
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Glad John finally DIDN'T press the button. Michael has sold his soul. PLEASE someone shoot him. Maybe Walt will do it. Have a slight feeling we won't see Michael and Walt again in season 3. Maybe in a flash forawrd. OH yeah season 3 is next. And that's where I heard this show just goes wrong until it gets back on track.

10-31-2012, 06:34 AM	#739
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Well the nice thing is they aren't carrying on with the exact same concepts for the entire show....They muddled about the hatch for a season and then moved on INTO the hatch. They muddled about the button all of season 2...and now the button is no more. So obviously they will be spending season 3 doing other stuff. Dealing with The Others I guess. I'm surprised they didn't do ANYTHING with Sayid and Jin and SUn doing something. I think that's why the finale just fell down kinda. Already don't like Madame Cleo. Wanna stuff something in her mouth. Then again she has a good "Disney Evil Queen" vibe to her. Very interesting btw that Desmond's girlfriend is looking for him. And has found him. The thought that Michael is "gonna get away". Hmmm. I don't think I believe them. Although the other part of me thinks that's just them getting rid of 2 more characters. Also surprised Walt didn't say ANYthing to Michael about Jack/Sawyer/Kate.

10-31-2012, 08:30 AM	#740
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	IIRC, Season 3 was quite strong with only a couple of clunker episodes but there is some frustration as the curtain is pulled back on the Others. That said, you reach the end of season 3 and in the finale, everything changes. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

11-01-2012, 07:06 AM	#741
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	just realized reading over the imdb cast list that Analucia's mother was Rachel Ticotin! From Total Recall and Falling Down (and even Gargoyles)! Nice!

11-01-2012, 09:13 AM	#742
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	There's a name from the past: Gargoyles. Hard to believe that was Disney SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

11-01-2012, 12:57 PM	#743
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Not hard at all considering how cute and fluffy they made even stone statues look. Plus it had Jonathan Frakes and Ernest Borgnine. COme on....how offensive could those two get...

11-04-2012, 09:30 AM	#744
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Done inserting all season 1 episode labels in place in my posts. Will start the season 2 ones when I"ve had pancakes.

11-04-2012, 05:43 PM	#745
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Okay all season 2 names and titles attached to the areas I was talking about them. Obviously some eps I didn't have much to say. Maybe I"ll rectify that someday. ANyway for those who were confused where I was and wanted to comment, now you can

11-04-2012, 05:46 PM	#746
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Incidently is there anyone who has a good interview source as to why certain plots went a certain way and especially why certain characters were SUDDENLY written out of the show? THe 1st and 2nd seasons were FULL of this with Shannon and Boone and MIchael and Walt and the "Tailies". Looking for behind the scenes reasons.