2014-15 NFL Offseason Thread (Non Draft Edition) - Page 15

Fidatelo · 02-24-2015, 01:36 PM

The orange looks too Bengals-y to me.

Julio Riddols · 02-24-2015, 02:50 PM

Why not flip the colors on the helmet? Make it a brown helmet with orange and white stripes.

BillJasper · 02-24-2015, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Why not flip the colors on the helmet? Make it a brown helmet with orange and white stripes.

That would take someone with an ounce of creativity.

stevew · 02-24-2015, 03:54 PM

Every team eventually wears red or blue it seems.

albionmoonlight · 02-24-2015, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Winston seems a lot like Roethlisburger. I'd say Ben has rarely been referred to as a student of the game but has thrived due to athletic ability and inate skills that can't be taught.

Good analogy, even down to the lack of personal maturity.

thesloppy · 02-24-2015, 07:21 PM

anybody got any dirt on the alleged Dez Bryant tape that is supposedly about to be released, and being promoted as "worse than Ray Rice"?

BillJasper · 02-24-2015, 07:31 PM

Report: Browns hosting Josh McCown | ProFootballTalk

The Buccaneers had all those weapons and McCown was a disaster. What do the Browns think they can offer to make his game better? Did they ever hire an offensive coordinator?

thesloppy · 02-24-2015, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Report: Browns hosting Josh McCown | ProFootballTalk

The Buccaneers had all those weapons and McCown was a disaster. What do the Browns think they can offer to make his game better? Did they ever hire an offensive coordinator?

They were also looking at Glennon earlier. Because the 2014 Bucs were so awesome.

BishopMVP · 02-25-2015, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

Everything I've been reading about him screams J Russell to me. $100 million arm, $.10 head. I guess that also qualifies him as a N. LaLoosh clone as well.

I thought it was pretty well established that Russell was an addict, Vince Young was an alcoholic, and Ryan Leaf probably a combination of both. I just don't get that vibe from Winston.

BillJasper · 02-25-2015, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

I thought it was pretty well established that Russell was an addict, Vince Young was an alcoholic, and Ryan Leaf probably a combination of both. I just don't get that vibe from Winston.

I think Winston is simply immature. Can he grow out of it and become the next Manning or Brady? I don't know? But, I hope so. A player of his immense talent is good for the NFL.

Dutch · 02-25-2015, 08:34 AM

He can be whoever he wants to be. Just win, baby. But in the immortal words of Tony Dungy..."Availability is greater than ability".

Buccaneer · 02-25-2015, 08:36 AM

Was Brady, Manning, Luck, Rodgers, Brees immature (as opposed to inexperienced) coming out of college? I don't think so. They had already exhibited the maturity, smarts, work ethic and behaviors that would lead them to become great.

BillJasper · 02-25-2015, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Was Brady, Manning, Luck, Rodgers, Brees immature (as opposed to inexperienced) coming out of college? I don't think so. They had already exhibited the maturity, smarts, work ethic and behaviors that would lead them to become great.

Just because we weren't privy to indiscretions doesn't mean there weren't any. The NFL has such a dire need for QB's that Winston is probably the first pick regardless of what has happened off the field. I don't think there's much question about Winston's work ethic.

The question is: are the Buccaneers the right organization to help him mature and reach his potential?

cuervo72 · 02-25-2015, 09:08 AM

I'm not sure Brady exhibited that much if he was drafted in the 6th round. Ok, maybe he wasn't a screw-up, but I think that could be said of a whole lot of college players who never amounted to anything in the pros.

How mature was Terry Bradshaw early in his career?

Buccaneer · 02-25-2015, 09:17 AM

BillJ, no doubt. After all, we saw Manziel drafted in the first round. I wouldn't argue against the need to draft QBs like Winston, young, manziel, etc. but they were/are already starting behind on a tough curve.

BishopMVP · 02-25-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

I'm not sure Brady exhibited that much if he was drafted in the 6th round. Ok, maybe he wasn't a screw-up, but I think that could be said of a whole lot of college players who never amounted to anything in the pros.

How mature was Terry Bradshaw early in his career?

Yup. I also don't think we need to compare him to Brady or Manning (or Luck/Elway a.k.a. Generation Talents). Can he be Ben Roethlisberger or Cam Newton? I think most teams would be happy taking one of them at 1.1

Buccaneer · 02-25-2015, 02:47 PM

The way some had been talking about blowing up teams incl QB, it's either getting a Brady/manning et al or nothing at all.

stevew · 02-25-2015, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy

anybody got any dirt on the alleged Dez Bryant tape that is supposedly about to be released, and being promoted as "worse than Ray Rice"?

Dunno, but I'm going to be regularly refreshing worldstar, blacksportsonline and the likes to find out.

VPI97 · 02-25-2015, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Was Brady, Manning, Luck, Rodgers, Brees immature (as opposed to inexperienced) coming out of college? I don't think so. They had already exhibited the maturity, smarts, work ethic and behaviors that would lead them to become great.

Well, Manning had the sexual harassment allegations while at Tenn. and prior to him, other NFL MVP QB's such as Marino (coke head), Elway (spoiled brat) and Farve (alcoholic) didn't come out of college so squeaky clean.

Thomkal · 02-25-2015, 04:19 PM

Packers release AJ Hawk

A.J. Hawk Released by Packers: Latest Details, Comments and Reaction | Bleacher Report

Bit of a surprise for me, but I don't follow the Packers enough to know how much he has left in the tank. If still in good shape physically, certainly would not mind seeing my beloved Cards going after him-they need to replace Washington pretty badly.

Honolulu_Blue · 02-25-2015, 08:01 PM

Lions released Reggie Bush. It was fun at times, but he hasn't done much the last couple of years and had a hard time staying healthy.

stevew · 02-26-2015, 05:21 PM

Not really a fan of AP anymore, but I love seeing the NFL get toasted in court.

thesloppy · 02-26-2015, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Dunno, but I'm going to be regularly refreshing worldstar, blacksportsonline and the likes to find out.

NFL Media releases 2011 Wal-Mart incident report involving Dez Bryant | ProFootballTalk

Thomkal · 02-27-2015, 07:42 AM

Runaway llamas caught near Phoenix earn 1-year deals with Cardinals - CBSSports.com

Kodos · 02-27-2015, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Not really a fan of AP anymore, but I love seeing the NFL get toasted in court.

Yay for child abusers?

Desnudo · 02-27-2015, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Yay for child abusers?

It's certainly a switch in direction

Kodos · 02-27-2015, 08:13 AM

Nicely played.

Kodos · 02-27-2015, 08:14 AM

It looks like his lawyer is whipping the NFL!

Arles · 03-02-2015, 09:43 AM

Lions aren't going to tag Suh (because of his prior salary, the tag would have been almost $27 mil against the cap). Will be interested to see the UFA interest he gets.

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Packers release AJ Hawk

A.J. Hawk Released by Packers: Latest Details, Comments and Reaction | Bleacher Report

Bit of a surprise for me, but I don't follow the Packers enough to know how much he has left in the tank. If still in good shape physically, certainly would not mind seeing my beloved Cards going after him-they need to replace Washington pretty badly.

Hawk has been done physically for a few seasons. He is a very smart player and a great guy, so the Packers kept him last season to give him one more shot. By midseason, a 2nd year undrafted FA (Barrington) beat him out for the starting spot.

I really like the guy and he was always a pro in Green Bay (even after taking a paycut a few years back), but I can't see him being a key component at ILB any longer. He doesn't have the speed to cover, nor the size to be a big hitter.

Suicane75 · 03-02-2015, 09:51 AM

whats the dealio on the eagles moving up? Really don't want them to mortage heavily on Mariota. Part of me wonders if they're aiming to steal Winston.

albionmoonlight · 03-02-2015, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

whats the dealio on the eagles moving up? Really don't want them to mortage heavily on Mariota. Part of me wonders if they're aiming to steal Winston.

Is there a sense that Foles just isn't quite good enough?

When healthy, he put up pretty good numbers in that system. But I've not followed the Eagles closely enough to really have a sense of the situation.

Lathum · 03-02-2015, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

whats the dealio on the eagles moving up? Really don't want them to mortage heavily on Mariota. Part of me wonders if they're aiming to steal Winston.

As a Giants fan I hope they do.

I think Mariotta is going to be the kind of guy who gets a coach fired.

Thomkal · 03-02-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Lions aren't going to tag Suh (because of his prior salary, the tag would have been almost $27 mil against the cap). Will be interested to see the UFA interest he gets.

Hawk has been done physically for a few seasons. He is a very smart player and a great guy, so the Packers kept him last season to give him one more shot. By midseason, a 2nd year undrafted FA (Barrington) beat him out for the starting spot.

I really like the guy and he was always a pro in Green Bay (even after taking a paycut a few years back), but I can't see him being a key component at ILB any longer. He doesn't have the speed to cover, nor the size to be a big hitter.

Thanks Arles! Pretty much what I thought, but had hoped there was still a little left in the tank for my beloved Cards to tap out.

Suicane75 · 03-02-2015, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Is there a sense that Foles just isn't quite good enough?

When healthy, he put up pretty good numbers in that system. But I've not followed the Eagles closely enough to really have a sense of the situation.

Dunno man, I'm happy with Foles, but a lot of the talk is that he's not the guy, either in Kellys eyes or the fans eyes. I guess we'll see come draft day. I think he's earned this year at least.

Logan · 03-02-2015, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

As a Giants fan I hope they do.

I think Mariotta is going to be the kind of guy who gets a coach fired.

I'd doubt that, even if he ends up being a massive bust (which I also doubt). The hard-working good guys usually don't lead to that sort of result.

QuikSand · 03-02-2015, 03:49 PM

McCown? Really, you're doing this, Browns? Didn't we talk about this?

*shakes head*

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-02-2015, 04:24 PM

I know the Chiefs put the tag on Houston, but I'd be shocked if they didn't work out a long-term deal with him. Valuable player and his comments indicate that he's motivated to sign and stay with KC over the long haul.

Lathum · 03-02-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I'd doubt that, even if he ends up being a massive bust (which I also doubt). The hard-working good guys usually don't lead to that sort of result.

I can easily see a situation where Chip trades up and mortgages the future, Mariotta is a bust, McCoy hits the downward slide, and they are in cap hell with no picks for depth 3 years later and Kelly bolts back to college before getting canned.

A guy can dream? Right?

Scarecrow · 03-02-2015, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I know the Chiefs put the tag on Houston, but I'd be shocked if they didn't work out a long-term deal with him. Valuable player and his comments indicate that he's motivated to sign and stay with KC over the long haul.

Not sure about this anymore since a) he's going to the NFLPA to get reclassified as a DE (for more money), and b) has stated that he won't sign the tag until he has to (game #10).

ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk · 8m8 minutes ago (9:52 am)
Justin Houston will consult with NFLPA to decide whether to file grievance on whether he's a DE not an LB, per source.

ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk · 9m9 minutes ago (9:51 am)
Per league source, Justin Houston already is considering waiting until Week 10 to sign franchise tender to stay with Chiefs.

SteveMax58 · 03-02-2015, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

McCown? Really, you're doing this, Browns? Didn't we talk about this?

*shakes head*

Hey look at the bright side...they will be a lock to draft another top 10 CB next season.

stevew · 03-02-2015, 08:12 PM

Ok, if you're the Raiders(or Jags or Browns) and are sitting on 50M+ of cap room, you gotta at least consider tendering a fat offer to Houston, right? After the draft especially.

You have a QB that you can feel comfortable with I'd guess. Maybe you can give up your pick for 2-3 Philly #1s so they get Mariota?

Worst case is you put a division mate in a serious bind.

stevew · 03-03-2015, 05:40 PM

Shady McCoy traded to the Bills for Kiko Alonzo

Lathum · 03-03-2015, 05:45 PM

Chris Polk getting his shot!

Lathum · 03-03-2015, 05:47 PM

I would love to see the Giants sign Suh then do what it takes to draft Danny Shelton. That would be sick n

BishopMVP · 03-03-2015, 06:13 PM

Somewhat surprising the Pats franchised Gostkowski over McCourty. That all but assures McCourty will sign elsewhere with the weak safety FA and draft class. Still think Revis is a legitimate toss-up, but really hope we re-sign him. I don't think he'll be the type to take a team discount though, so we'll likely cut him and see what the market offers before deciding whether to match.

CU Tiger · 03-03-2015, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Shady McCoy traded to the Bills for Kiko Alonzo

Eagles and Bills swapping Rbs?
I wish.

SPiller would KILL in that Offense.

ColtCrazy · 03-03-2015, 06:48 PM

Like the Bills getting McCoy. Alonzo is a stud if he can come back healthy. Now where's Spiller off to?

cuervo72 · 03-03-2015, 07:22 PM

Oh, snap.

SteveMax58 · 03-03-2015, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I would love to see the Giants sign Suh then do what it takes to draft Danny Shelton. That would be sick n

Dont think they have the cap space for Suh. Unless they cut Prince (only substantial salary they could cut without penalty, or JPP I guess).

But I like what I've seen of Hankins so far in the middle. I like guys like Shelton as well but probably have a bigger need to address.

Lathum · 03-03-2015, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMax58

Dont think they have the cap space for Suh. Unless they cut Prince (only substantial salary they could cut without penalty, or JPP I guess).

But I like what I've seen of Hankins so far in the middle. I like guys like Shelton as well but probably have a bigger need to address.

Well I am a UW alum.....

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cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	I'm not sure Brady exhibited that much if he was drafted in the 6th round. Ok, maybe he wasn't a screw-up, but I think that could be said of a whole lot of college players who never amounted to anything in the pros. How mature was Terry Bradshaw early in his career? __________________ null

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Every team eventually wears red or blue it seems.

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Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	He can be whoever he wants to be. Just win, baby. But in the immortal words of Tony Dungy..."Availability is greater than ability".

02-25-2015, 08:36 AM	#712
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Was Brady, Manning, Luck, Rodgers, Brees immature (as opposed to inexperienced) coming out of college? I don't think so. They had already exhibited the maturity, smarts, work ethic and behaviors that would lead them to become great.

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Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	BillJ, no doubt. After all, we saw Manziel drafted in the first round. I wouldn't argue against the need to draft QBs like Winston, young, manziel, etc. but they were/are already starting behind on a tough curve.

02-25-2015, 02:47 PM	#717
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	The way some had been talking about blowing up teams incl QB, it's either getting a Brady/manning et al or nothing at all.

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Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Packers release AJ Hawk A.J. Hawk Released by Packers: Latest Details, Comments and Reaction \| Bleacher Report Bit of a surprise for me, but I don't follow the Packers enough to know how much he has left in the tank. If still in good shape physically, certainly would not mind seeing my beloved Cards going after him-they need to replace Washington pretty badly.

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Ok, if you're the Raiders(or Jags or Browns) and are sitting on 50M+ of cap room, you gotta at least consider tendering a fat offer to Houston, right? After the draft especially. You have a QB that you can feel comfortable with I'd guess. Maybe you can give up your pick for 2-3 Philly #1s so they get Mariota? Worst case is you put a division mate in a serious bind. Last edited by stevew : 03-02-2015 at 08:17 PM.

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