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Can anyone tell me when Scottie Pippen had his two best seasons from a points per game, rebounds per game and steals per game standpoint? Oh yeah, his best season was 93-94 while his second best season was 94-95. Horace Grant's best season from a PPG perspective, also 93-94. I guess the only conclusion is that Michael Jordan didn't make his teammates better. |
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06-05-2018, 06:20 AM | #702 | |
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If LeBron had gotten 3 more rebounds over two games, he’d be averaging a 40 pt triple double. And the Cavs are still down 0-2. |
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06-06-2018, 07:55 PM | #704 |
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That...that is a terrible idea.
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06-06-2018, 10:10 PM | #705 |
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Lue should get crushed for playing Hood behind Korver and others in games 1-2.
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06-06-2018, 10:32 PM | #706 |
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I’m aggravated the Warriors + KD ring chasing + 70% of the east tanking has robbed me of an enjoyable finals the past two years.
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06-07-2018, 03:04 AM | #708 | |
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06-07-2018, 03:08 AM | #709 |
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The team I support is playing in the Finals and I won't watch any game outside of game 1, unless the Cavs somehow peel off 3 straight wins.
I really hope KD signs elsewhere this offseason, too.
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To put it in perspective, the Nuggets missed the playoffs in the West and would have finished 6th in the East. What makes it even more egregious is these Eastern teams are playing 52/82 games against a worse conference and still can barely get 5 teams over 45 wins. Imagine if Utah or Portland got to play 50/82 against the East - they'd have 55-60 wins. In the end, this whole Durant joining a 73-win team has just sapped the will to win from most teams in the NBA. Outside of Houston and Boston, no one is really trying to compete with them. Atleast in the West, teams like New Orleans, Utah, Minnesota, Portland and Denver have to try to improve themselves or risk missing out on the playoffs. In the east, you can try to tank (Indiana) and still get the 5 seed. Last edited by Arles : 06-07-2018 at 10:51 AM. |
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06-07-2018, 11:10 AM | #711 |
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Per Woj, Colangelo is going “resign” and Brett Brown is going to run things on an interim basis. Did Brown pull a Budenholzer?
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06-07-2018, 11:47 AM | #712 |
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If I'm Philly, I do what I can to get David Griffin and put on a full court press for Lebron.
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06-07-2018, 12:10 PM | #713 | |
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I think you are selling Indiana short. They got rid of a disgruntled player near the end of his contract and picked up a couple of young, hungry guys. It wasn't a tank move. It was a way to avoid letting George walk away in free agency and get something to build on. |
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06-07-2018, 12:30 PM | #714 | ||
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I'd say the Cavs made some rather notable moves in order to "try to get better". Quote:
And just two years ago, 6/7/8 in the west all had worse records than the #8 in the east ... while playing in a conference that was severely top heavy but also had some noticeable bottom feeders. Cycles happen.
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Best outcome Philly could have hoped for if they can get the replacement right. Rehiring Hinkie would be the right thing to do, but I don't think they have the balls to do it. |
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06-07-2018, 08:14 PM | #716 | |
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The idea that the Cavs could lose Kyrie, Lebron and David Griffin to their nearest rivals (Sorry, Toronto) within a year is amazing.
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06-07-2018, 08:24 PM | #717 |
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Would LeBron work with Simmons and Fultz and a team of few shooters?
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06-08-2018, 04:45 AM | #718 |
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I'm not a lebron fan, but I feel bad for him. the Celtics were wise enough to lose game 7. getting sweep in the finals will forever be in the record books.
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06-08-2018, 11:24 AM | #719 | ||
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16-17: 9th in west = 10th in East 15-16: 9th in west = 10th in East 14-15: 9th in west = 6th in East 13-14: 9th in west = 5th in East 12-13: 9th in west = 7th in East 11-12: 9th in west = 9th in East 10-11: 9th in west = 6th in East 09-10: 9th in west = 8th in East 08-09: 9th in west = 5th in East 07-08: 9th in west = 4th in East 06-07: 9th in west = 8th in East 05-06: 9th in west = 6th in East (tie) 04-05: 9th in west = 6th in East (tie) 03-04: 9th in west = 4th in East (tie) So, in 12 of the last 15 years, the 9th place team in the West would have been a playoff team in the East (as high as a 4 seed). That also doesn't account for the West having a much higher win total in their top 7-8 - which makes it harder to win when playing 52/82 against the West. Just look at the 4-8 eastern teams against the west vs east this year: Cleveland (67% E, 50% W), Indiana (62%, 53%), Miami (60%, 43%), Milwaukee (52%, 56%), Washington (54%, 50%). Then look at teams like OKC (67% E, 54% W), New Orleans (70%, 52%), SA (60%, 55%), Denver (60%, 54%) and Clippers (60%, 46%). Pretty much the entire top 10 of the West won 60% of their games against the East. Even the Lakers, who were a bad team against the West (36%), won 53% of their games against the East. It's just a lot harder to be a playoff team in the West - and it has been for 15 years. |
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06-08-2018, 05:00 PM | #720 | |
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I'm not a LeBron fan either (but I do think he is arguably GOAT). Go Warriors, dump'em, embarrass them, kick'em down a couple notches. |
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06-08-2018, 10:05 PM | #721 |
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You could have called time of death after 30ish minutes of tonight
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It's a game where, in this era, you pretty much need 3 high end players, 4 tops.
If the other guy has those and you don't ... you're screwed. Right now, there's one team that has that. And I'm not sure the change won't have to come from that group slipping back toward the pack with time, which eventually wounds us all.
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06-08-2018, 10:46 PM | #723 |
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I think lebron opted out of his contract in the third quarter
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06-08-2018, 11:42 PM | #724 |
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Now the interesting part begins.
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06-09-2018, 12:45 AM | #725 | |
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I think it’s been the case for awhile. The “golden age” of basketball is basically two teams- lakers/Celtics- with 4 high end players each. |
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06-09-2018, 03:43 AM | #726 |
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Eh, is it even interesting any more? If KD returns to Golden State, it doesn't even matter where LeBron ends up other than to see if his Finals streak continues.
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06-09-2018, 07:38 AM | #727 |
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KD's legacy will be interesting as time goes on.
Right now, the "ring chaser" thing is on the front of our minds. But as time goes on, I think that that recedes and his increasingly large collection of championships and MVPs and Finals MVPs will start to look better with time. |
06-09-2018, 09:01 AM | #728 |
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Obviously I would like to see LBJ go to Philly but if not I would LOVE to see him go to OKC and win a championship. The ultimate in your face move to Durant.
I heard that Durant has an opt out? If so I think there needs to be a campaign to flood his social media with taunts that he will really only prove himself if he goes elsewhere to win something instead of taking the easy way out. |
06-09-2018, 10:14 AM | #729 |
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Golden State isn't really sustainable for more than 2 or so more years. Klay will need a monster raise after 2019. He'll be up around 35m/season. Draymond and Iggy expire after 2020. Durant will go up to around 35million or so next year. The amount of tax they'll pay on their top 5 salaries alone is pretty staggering. I mean they might just do it, but in reality they'll have to piece out Draymond and Iggy after next season and hope to get 75% of their production for 20% of the money.
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06-09-2018, 10:21 AM | #730 |
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I actually love all of this because it makes a mockery of the "counting rings" nonsense. I mean, if individual players are ultimately going to be judged on team success, then why not just join a massive superteam?
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06-09-2018, 10:35 AM | #731 |
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Can't decide who I want the Cavs to take as the new face of the franchise after LeBron bolts. I'm hoping that Young or Porter drop to #8 and that seems likely. Most of the Cavs' contracts can be dumped after next season. They owe the Hawks a top 10 protected #1. This team will be pretty bad next season.
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06-09-2018, 01:40 PM | #732 | |
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It's obviously just hearsay until it actually happens, but Klay has repeatedly said it's dumb to think he would leave, and that he makes plenty of money as it is. |
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06-10-2018, 12:47 AM | #733 | |
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Klay could get something like 4/140 in free agency if a team had the means to sign him. Even if he signs with the Warriors for 30million a season, that's a 50%+ raise over his current salary and probably the extra 10m in salary costs them 25-35million in luxury tax penalties. |
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06-11-2018, 09:14 AM | #734 | ||
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The nature of basketball (only five guys on the court at a time, relatively minor injury risk, players able to play ~40 of 48 minutes a game, 7 game series in the playoffs) means that stars will have an outsized impact on who wins the championship. The only things comparable might be starting pitchers (who still can only play ~20% of the games) and quarterbacks. And now with NBA stars making the rational decisions to team up with each other, you end up with 3-4 superduper teams and everyone else. That's not a totally bad thing when you reach the final four. Houston-Golden State was rocking until Paul got hurt. And LeBron vs. any super team is pretty cool. But it does make a lot of the NBA chatter seem kind of pointless. When Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe talk for 10 minutes about what the Hornets or the Grizzlies or the Pacers should do, there's a sense of what does it matter. It's totally good in-depth analysis, but it is not having any effect beyond the first round of the playoffs. I'm not sure what, if anything, the NBA can or should do about this because (as noted above) it seems inherent to the sport. |
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The way the Luxury Tax works, the Warriors won't be in super trouble with it until the season after next (2020-2021); this season was the first year they actually hit the tax. Even though they won't get into the brepeater tax for another year, it's going to have to get mighty creative with all the big names needing new deals: Draymond, Klay, and KD. |
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06-11-2018, 02:38 PM | #736 | |
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It's easy to say b/c it isn't my money. But how often do you have a chance to have a team this historic and keep it together? I'd just pay everyone, luxury tax be dammed. |
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06-11-2018, 02:47 PM | #737 | |
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I mean, we should just rotate stars to Golden State so all the best players can get rings. We'll move Anthony Davis this year, Giannis next year and Porzingis the following year. Eventually, everyone will have their title and can just worry about money. |
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06-11-2018, 02:49 PM | #738 |
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Hard cap a little (say $20 mil) over the tax limit and no max salary. I'd say that would fix it....
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I am 100% in this line. And they have a LOT of money. And they're essentially printing money and are supposed to be in a new stadium in a year+. |
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06-11-2018, 03:33 PM | #740 |
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The regular tax is something like 3.5* after you're 20M over. I know that line increases over time but they can print money and still pay something like 4.5million for each roster filler guy after they've paid their top 5-6 salaries. Just going to be really hard to do IMO
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Not technically the NBA but this is awesome: Zach Lowe on The Basketball Tournament and NBA crunch time
Intentional fouling is the one of the dumbest things in any pro sport and a major reason I've never really got into the NBA, so anything that's a solution to that gets a huge vote of confidence from me. No idea if 7 points is the right number, but the concept is intriguing. |
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Yeah, I'm in already. I dunno about 7 points. I think maybe just starting the 4th quarter with a goal of 25 points might be exciting.
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Definitely agree re: G League. IMO they should be trialing at least one wacky rule change each year in the G League. From a spectator point of view I think the 7 point (or whatever would make more sense in an NBA setting) thing would be an exciting spectacle, but it would feel like a gimmick to me... Kinda like 20/20 cricket does, despite it being unarguably more entertaining. Maybe I'm too much of a purist. It would make me more likely to catch G League games though if they did trial it.
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06-18-2018, 11:46 PM | #744 |
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I'm still drafting Doncic at #1.
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Puma signed Bagley, Ayton and someone else and named Jay Z as a creative director of the line. Should be great to see a new player.
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What's weird to me is there is really no legitimate dissent on any main site about Doncic. The Ringer, ESPN, SI, Sporting News, Bleacher Report, SB Nation, etc. It's just all how great this guy is. I think he's a very good prospect, but there are a lot of red flags to me:
1. He's shot 27% from 3 in 2018. All I hear about is what a great shooter he is. That just hasn't been the case. For the season, he shot 30.8% from 3. 2. Everyone keeps comparing him to Harden, but he just doesn't have close to Harden's first step. Now, the argument is his athleticism will get better with training, but he is really slow compared to the NBA. There's no way he can guard an NBA PG or SG and would probably struggle against most 3s. What's funny is people keep knocking Ayton for his defense and blocking shots. But, what Ayton was great at was being switched onto guards. He did it all year at AZ so he wasn't protecting the rim as much because he could switch: It's crazy to me that so Ayton has taken such a knock for his defense and foot speed when he runs the floor well and may be better able to guard on the perimeter than Doncic: 3. The one knock I've seen on Doncic is his maturity. Here's the an excerpt from the one somewhat negative scouting report I found from an NBA scout (and it took some digging): Quote:
To me, his probable comp is Hedo Turkoglu. The year he was drafted, Turkoglu took his team to the Euroleague final four and averaged 14-5-3. He was a nice playmaker in the NBA, but could never guard at the NBA level and that held him back. Still, that's a very good NBA player. I just don't see Doncic as ever reaching superstar status unless his athleticism and shooting drastically improve. To me, Ayton gives similar production right now but has a much higher ceiling. He was completely misused at Arizona and had to play with another center on the court most of the year. Arizona had very little shooting and teams mostly zoned against them and dropped 2-3 guys on Ayton. You can't play that way in the NBA. Against USC and UCLA in the Pac-12 Tourney, he put up 32-18 and 32-14 because they played him pretty much straight up. I think it's fair to say he isn't a natural shot blocker, but he has the foot speed to switch on the pick and roll and atleast bother perimeter players until he can switch back. Offensively, he is the total package. He can shoot (hit 35% of his 3s), pass, post up and handle the ball. He could be Karl Anthony Towns or Boogie with better perimeter defense/switching ability. That's just a much higher upside than Doncic. I think both will be good players, but the lack of critical eye on Luka by most media sources is a little odd to me. Everyone else (Ayton, Bagley, Trae Young, etc) has been picked apart - but it's been hands off Doncic. Even if anyone tries to criticize him, you get an army of defenders trying to shut them down. Last edited by Arles : 06-19-2018 at 10:53 AM. |
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I wouldn't compare him to Harden (the best iso scorer in the world), but I think he will be a do-everything ball handler which slots pretty neatly into the current NBA world.
Ayton is an exciting prospect no question. I think it's an easier path to success in today's with elite perimeter players than it is to focus on a KAT or Boogie though. But hey, lots of top prospect bigs this draft so maybe things will start to move the other direction.
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Somebody, maybe Deadspin, had a Bagley to Sac story a few days ago.
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