Official 2011-12 College Basketball Thread

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

I've watched the last couple of Pitt games. I can't even imagine what it's like to be a Pitt fan this season. Fantastic one moment, terrible the next. You never know what the hell is going to happen from possession to possession.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

The refs have left the Marquette Nova game apparently.

They weren't paying attention the last 10 seconds of the WVU-Syracuse game either.

[TargetPractice6]

LSU just took one of the cheapest shots I've seen in awhile on Anthony Davis. Davis (who injured his shoulder earlier in the game) was going for a break away layup when Malcolm White grabs him by the shoulders and throws him backwards to the ground. White was ejected after the refs took another look at it.

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by Atocep

They weren't paying attention the last 10 seconds of the WVU-Syracuse game either.

Yea. That was disgusting. WVU got absolutely hosed.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Yea. That was disgusting. WVU got absolutely hosed.

meh, it was a terrible call but only would have tied the game

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by digamma

Couldn't agree with you more, Jon. He is one of the good ones.

And in hoops news, Harvard made easy work of Yale, winning 65-35. Have to finish the trip tonight against Brown (definitely a lower tier Ivy team).

Yep. Yale is not so good at sports, as far as I can tell.

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by Chubby

meh, it was a terrible call but only would have tied the game

Not saying WVU would have won, but they at least deserved overtime on such an obvious call.

[Butter]

I knew I should've kept my mouth shut about UD. Their complete lack of defense has been on display in 2 straight games, most embarrassingly losing at home last night to previously 3-18 Rhode Island, 86-81. Dropping them from mid-30's in the RPI to 62.

Jesus fucking Christ.

[mckerney]

I was about to start screaming at the TV when the Minnesota guard drove for a layup with under 5 seconds left and down 3, but thankfully he was fouled and scored a 3 point play leading to a much needed OT win over Illinois.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Wow. KU lets MU and Baylor right back into the title race. Road games are awfully tough this year with no CU and NU to pad the win totals anymore.

As long as Iowa State doesn't choke badly down the wire, they may have locked up a trip to the tournament for themselves Saturday

SI

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

As long as Iowa State doesn't choke badly down the wire, they may have locked up a trip to the tournament for themselves Saturday

SI

Yeah, MU, KU, BU and ISU are all probably locks. The real question becomes who will be the 5th team to emerge (if there is one). Most though KSU, but then they laid an egg yesterday at home against OU.

[Swaggs]

I think, from the Big 12, Missouri, Kansas, and Baylor are all easily in (they are all top 15, by just about any metric available) and are looking at top 4 seeds.

Kansas State is probably the only other team that gets in if the season ends today. They have the very good win over Missouri and a handful of other good wins, with no sub-100 losses (Oklahoma is in the mid-80s right now, so they could look much worse if they continue to falter). They certainly have work left to do, but are in a good position right now.

Iowa State, even with the win over Kansas, is still on the outside looking in. That was really the only remarkable win that they have this season. Their only other notable win was a home victory over Texas (low 60s RPI right now). And, they have a bad loss to Drake. They have games left against Missouri and Baylor twice, so they have the opportunity to climb, but right now they are in a pretty bad position.

Right now, the Big 12 is looking super top heavy between Kansas, Baylor, and Missouri. They should be able to get at least four bids, and if Texas or Iowa State can play well down the stretch, they might be able to sneak a fifth team in.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I think, from the Big 12, Missouri, Kansas, and Baylor are all easily in (they are all top 15, by just about any metric available) and are looking at top 4 seeds.

Kansas State is probably the only other team that gets in if the season ends today. They have the very good win over Missouri and a handful of other good wins, with no sub-100 losses (Oklahoma is in the mid-80s right now, so they could look much worse if they continue to falter). They certainly have work left to do, but are in a good position right now.

Iowa State, even with the win over Kansas, is still on the outside looking in. That was really the only remarkable win that they have this season. Their only other notable win was a home victory over Texas (low 60s RPI right now). And, they have a bad loss to Drake. They have games left against Missouri and Baylor twice, so they have the opportunity to climb, but right now they are in a pretty bad position.

Right now, the Big 12 is looking super top heavy between Kansas, Baylor, and Missouri. They should be able to get at least four bids, and if Texas or Iowa State can play well down the stretch, they might be able to sneak a fifth team in.

If I had to rank the B12 right now, it would probably be.....

KU
MU
BU
ISU
UT
KSU

KSU is just playing some terrible basketball right now. Don't let that ranking fool you. I could see them being the team to tank down the stretch. ISU has plenty of staying power and should finish 4th given their schedule. I think UT is playing better basketball right now than KSU. We'll learn a lot tomorrow night in Austin as to whether UT can keep in the hunt for that fifth spot. I think it'll be a very tight game.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I knew I should've kept my mouth shut about UD. Their complete lack of defense has been on display in 2 straight games, most embarrassingly losing at home last night to previously 3-18 Rhode Island, 86-81. Dropping them from mid-30's in the RPI to 62.

Sorry to see that - in NCAA bid terms it benefits the A10 and UMass to have 5-6 teams separate themselves instead of having 11-12 teams that are good enough to lose to but not good enough to get any recognition for beating them.

UMass, of course, had a huge home win over St. Louis on Saturday but now follows up with a trap game @ URI. Still don't think they'll get in, but they're looking more ikely for an NIT berth and that's a huge step in the right direction considering we only have one SR and our two best players are SO's (5'6 PG Chaz Williams and 6'9, 160 pound SF Raphael Putney).

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Not saying WVU would have won, but they at least deserved overtime on such an obvious call.

You don't work for ESPN. Watching their college hoops coverage the rest of the way, it somehow became the officials taking away a game winning basket at the buzzer. If they had called the goaltend (and even as a Syracuse fan, I will say, it WAS a goaltend) the game would have been tied with Syracuse having the ball and 10.6 seconds left.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Iowa State, even with the win over Kansas, is still on the outside looking in. That was really the only remarkable win that they have this season. Their only other notable win was a home victory over Texas (low 60s RPI right now). And, they have a bad loss to Drake. They have games left against Missouri and Baylor twice, so they have the opportunity to climb, but right now they are in a pretty bad position.

Lunardi had Iowa St. in last week, before beating Kansas. They are solidly in now, not close to the bubble. They can still blow that of course, but I think they'd be in today. Bunch of pretty uninspiring teams on the bubble.

[Atocep]

Well, that's a first. Huggins got a T for yelling at Truck Bryant.

Big East refs, outstanding as always.

[Atocep]

The chances of Huggins making it through this game are pretty slim right now.

[Scoobz0202]

Does the Pitt-WVU series have a chance of surviving? These are usually pretty fun to watch..

"EAT SHIT PITT! EAT SHIT PITT!"

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Does the Pitt-WVU series have a chance of surviving? These are usually pretty fun to watch..

"EAT SHIT PITT! EAT SHIT PITT!"

Short term? Unlikely

In the long term both schools probably want to keep the series going in some way. It should be pretty easy for basketball. Football is going to be tougher to pull off and may end up being played every other year or something like that.

[Atocep]

The officials in this game have been awful on both ends. The T on Huggins was inexcusable though.

With that said, I really feel like our players still have the Syracuse game on their minds.

[Swaggs]

I don't see any reason why we can't play in basketball every year.

For football, I think it will be tough if the Big 12 and/or ACC go to a 9-game schedule (as appears likely).

Pitt has upcoming series with Notre Dame and Penn State (who many Pitt fans consider their real rival), so it would be tough to squeeze another BCS-type into their schedule. Both of those are automatic sell outs.

WVU has a long-standing series against Maryland and an upcoming series with Michigan State, as well as a neutral site game against BYU at FedEx field and our AD seems to be really intent on establishing our presence in the Maryland/DC area.

[yacovfb]

Safe to say we missed woodall just a tad. Hopefully we can keep it going

[cartman]

Frustrating. That is the 7th loss of the season for Texas by two possessions or less. Had a chance to win it on the last shot, but couldn't get the shot to go down.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Good win for Mizzou. Obviously let Texas back into it late when it should have been over, but reacted well to the flagrant foul and still landed the win. 3-6 teams find ways to lose those games.

Matchup for first place Saturday night on ESPN in primetime. First installment of the Border War at Mizzou Arena.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Sad day. Coach Charlie Spoonhour has passed away. Very good coach, but even a better person.

[molson]

Syracuse reinstates Fab Melo, which is obviously huge for them. Without him, they got their first lost, needed a bad call to beat West Virginia, and weren't very impressive in a win at Cincinnati. It's hard to believe there's only 8 games left on the schedule - now they're setup to try to make a run at a #1 seed.

[sterlingice]

Huge week coming up for Kansas:
@ #4 Mizzou Saturday
@ #6 Baylor Wednesday

SI

[Kodos]

I wish the Hoosiers would figure out how to win on the road. Starting in a 20-point hole sure didn't help against Michigan.

[Matthean]

"We've been very fortunate that we're not dependent just on one or two guys," Wolverines coach John Beilein said. "One guy has had a great game, and we were able to squeak by and win. Another day, someone else has been at the top of their game. I just said, 'You know, it is OK if everybody plays pretty well on the same day.' And today was supposed to be the day. For those first 10 minutes, it certainly was."

Pretty much sums up Michigan's season. You can add in some players who have good games just showing up for a half *cough* Hardaway Jr.*cough*.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Huge week coming up for Kansas:
@ #4 Mizzou Saturday
@ #6 Baylor Wednesday

SI

It's a great time to refresh everyone's memory as to just how savage the roots of the murderous Jawhawkers really are.

The Burning of Lawrence…. « Across Our Confederation

The Burning of Lawrence….

“Come all you bold robbers and open your ears,
Of Quantrell the Lion heart you quickly shall hear.
With his band of bold raiders in double quick time,
He came to lay Lawrence low, over the line.

Oh, Quantrell’s a fighter, a bold-hearted boy,
A brave man or woman he’d never annoy.
He’d take from the wealthy and give to the poor
For brave men there’s never a bolt to his door”

It was 147 years ago today that Captain William Quantrill led nearly 400 Missourians from Missouri over the Kansas line to Lawrence , Ks. Although potrayed in the media at the time as an inhumane act, the fact of the matter is that it was no more inhumane than the crimes that had been committed against Missourians for nearly three years prior to Quantrill’s raid on Lawrence.

Information posted by author Paul R. Peterson at www.quantrillsguerrilas.com states:

“Lawrence citizens have always emphatically insisted that the only victims during the Lawrence raid were “peaceable, unarmed citizens.” History proves them wrong.

Lawrence citizen Richard Cordley wrote, “It was not the shooting of a few obnoxious persons. The killing was indiscriminate and mostly in cold blood, the victims being quiet, peaceable citizens. None of them, as far as I know, had taken any part in the early disturbances, and none of them were connected with the border troubles during the war. I do not now recall a single military man among the killed….The guerrillas shot the men they found, without knowing who they were or caring what they were.”

The actual truth about the raid can be found in reviewing the historical record. After he gathered his men for the Lawrence raid Quantrill supplied his men with maps with each targeted house marked for destruction and “Death Lists” of individuals to be killed. The names and places shown came as no surprise. In its entirety it showed the enormity of the opposition and the level of the Kansan’s participation in waging war against her neighboring state. The foremost movers against the institutions in Missouri were those from the east that had come to Kansas in military styled companies associated with the New England Emigrant Aid Society. The remainder of the names were radical abolitionists, operators on the Underground Railroad, who had enticed or stolen slaves from Missouri, newspapermen who were guilty of fomenting unrest and calling for invasion and plunder in Missouri and assassination of Missouri slave owners, and naturally any military men either in the Federal army or Kansas militia.

Robert S. Stevens who took an unofficial accounting of the dead and wounded after the raid recorded 133 names of those killed in Lawrence also listing wounded including both white and Negro casualties. General Thomas Ewing’s Official Report on the sack of Lawrence recorded almost the exact number of casualties listing 140 dead, including 14 from the 14th Kansas Cavalry and 20 from the 2nd Kansas Colored Infantry Regiment with 24 wounded. And Capt. Henry E. Palmer stated 145 lives lost in his account of “The Lawrence Raid, Running Fight with the Guerrillas,” And Lawrence citizen Richard Cordley listed in his account “Pioneer Days in Kansas” 150 dead and 30 wounded. Cordley recounted that “one hundred and twenty-two were deposited in the cemetery, and many others in their own yards.”

In addition Peterson adds that most of the “victims” of the Lawrence , Ks raid were military men:

“A large majority(of the victims) are in the military. Since the Kansas provost-marshal’s files were destroyed in the fire that engulfed the building that held its records we can naturally assume from the accounts emulating from Lawrence that the remainder of the names were in the town’s militia organization”

As I cited in an article that I have previously authored entitled “Quantrill’s Raid Revisited” :

“Many modern day historians, media outlets and public education institutions are quick to call Quantrill’s raid on Lawrence, Kansas a “massacre”. However; there were two primary reasons for Quantrill’s raid on the Eastern Kansas abolitionist stronghold. The first involves operations being conducted by Senator James Lane’s Kansas Jayhawkers.

As General Price was moving North toward Lexington , following his victory at Wilson’s Creek, James Lane and his men were following cautiously behind him plundering Missouri farms and citizens from a safe distance. Once again quoting Peterson:

“While Price’s army was closing on Lexington, rather than render assistance to Mulligan, Lane and his ragtag army of twelve hundred Kansas jayhawkers marched instead against the small pro-Southern town of Osceola, Missouri, in St. Clair County. The Missouri editor of the Weston Argus described the sight of fifty shiftless horsemen riding through his town to join “Lane’s Brigade”…

They were nearly naked, and minus shoes and hats in many cases. They were not armed, but a number of them had hams of meat on their backs, which they no doubt had stolen from some man’s meat house on the road. There are the kind of men that Lane’s Brigade is to be composed of; thieves, cutthroats, and midnight robbers. These hirelings passed through town on a full trot, their eyes looking as big as new moons, as they expected at every corner to be stopped or fired on by the Rebels. On a dark night such soldiers would make a splendid charge on a hen-roost, meat house, negro kitchen or stable, but they can’t fight honest Americans in daylight.”4

This description of the men who belonged to “Lane’s Brigade” provided by Peterson , via the writings of a newspaper editor, paint a vivid portrait of New England Puritans, who immigrated to Kansas in pursuit of a socialist Utopia that ultimately left them desolate and hungry. Jim Lane and his “Kansas Brigade” no doubt had a far greater prize in mind than the “hen-roost, meat house and negro kitchen”.

“Osceola was one of the more prosperous towns in southwest Missouri. At the beginning of the war, the population was greater than 3000…On September 23,1861, when Lane entered the area , there wasn’t a Confederate soldier within miles of the town. With Lane were Col. William Wir’s Fourth Kansas Jayhawker Regiment and Col. James Montgomery’s Third Kansas Jayhawker Regiment. A few residents fired on the jayhawkers so Lane ordered Capt. Thomas Moonlight to shell the town. After the Union guns had receded the town to rubble, nine male inhabitants were brought to the town square for a drumhead court-martial and shot. Most of the remaining residents were women and children.

Banks were an easy target for the jayhawkers, but the Osceola bank prudently had shipped its funds elsewhere. When Lane found little currency in the bank , he ordered the stores, warehouses and homes ransacked. His men loaded the lot into government wagons and any other vehicles they could confiscate. Among Lane’s personal haul were a number of pianos for his home in Lawrence.

He then set the town afire. Of Osceola’s eight hundred buildings all but three were turned to ashes. No consideration was given to political leanings of the homeowners. The plunder included 350 horses, 400 head of cattle , 200 kidnapped slaves, 3000 sacks of flour and 50 sacks of coffee. The jayhawkers also took the county records from the courthouse. Lane stole a fine carriage from the home of his colleague, U.S. Sen. Waldo P. Johnson, and sent it to his family in Lawrence along with several silk dresses.

Eyewitnesses noted that the plunder train of 150 wagons was at least a mile long. Property losses were estimated at more than a million dollars. One jayhawker wrote: As the sun went down Sunday night Osceola was a heap of smoldering ruins. Three thousand people were left homeless when Osceola was burned, and perhaps the fairest city in Missouri had been utterly wiped from the earth”5

Also worth noting is the fact that Peterson reveals:

“The Osceola raid was four times more destructive than the 1863 Lawrence Raid”…

“Many modern day historians, media outlets and public education institutions are quick to call Quantrill’s raid on Lawrence, Kansas a “massacre”. However; there were two primary reasons for Quantrill’s raid on the Eastern Kansas abolitionist stronghold. The first involves operations being conducted by Senator James Lane’s Kansas Jayhawkers.

As General Price was moving North toward Lexington , following his victory at Wilson’s Creek, James Lane and his men were following cautiously behind him plundering Missouri farms and citizens from a safe distance. Once again quoting Peterson:

“While Price’s army was closing on Lexington, rather than render assistance to Mulligan, Lane and his ragtag army of twelve hundred Kansas jayhawkers marched instead against the small pro-Southern town of Osceola, Missouri, in St. Clair County. The Missouri editor of the Weston Argus described the sight of fifty shiftless horsemen riding through his town to join “Lane’s Brigade”…

They were nearly naked, and minus shoes and hats in many cases. They were not armed, but a number of them had hams of meat on their backs, which they no doubt had stolen from some man’s meat house on the road. There are the kind of men that Lane’s Brigade is to be composed of; thieves, cutthroats, and midnight robbers. These hirelings passed through town on a full trot, their eyes looking as big as new moons, as they expected at every corner to be stopped or fired on by the Rebels. On a dark night such soldiers would make a splendid charge on a hen-roost, meat house, negro kitchen or stable, but they can’t fight honest Americans in daylight.”4

This description of the men who belonged to “Lane’s Brigade” provided by Peterson , via the writings of a newspaper editor, paint a vivid portrait of New England Puritans, who immigrated to Kansas in pursuit of a socialist Utopia that ultimately left them desolate and hungry. Jim Lane and his “Kansas Brigade” no doubt had a far greater prize in mind than the “hen-roost, meat house and negro kitchen”.

On August 13, the Kansas City Journal reported that Ewing was at departmental headquarters in St. Louis seeking authorization to banish the families of known guerrillas. From this meeting , five days later, Ewing issued General Orders No. 10.”18

Order number 10 required officers to arrest all men and women , not heads of families, who willfully aided “the enemy”, it also required that persons who were heads of families who willfully aided the enemy, to leave his military district.

This leads to the second reason that Missouri Partisans raided Lawrence , Kansas on August 21′st, 1863:

“Union authorities acting out of frustration for losing most all of their encounters with the guerrillas, decided to banish all Southerns in the area who were helping these men defend their homes. Federal officials issued orders to execute anyone giving aid to the Partisan Rangers.

In the mid summer of July 1863, Federal Occupational troops began to arrest and detain many area women (mainly those related to Missouri Partisan Rangers) who were said to be spying and gathering food & information for the Partisan Rangers.

Among the women detained were close relatives of prominent Partisan Rangers. These included Mary and Josephine Anderson who were sisters of Bill Anderson.

These women were to be detained until arrangements could be made to transport them to St. Louis, where they would be tried.

All the prisoners were incarcerated into a 3 story building named The Longhorn Store and Tavern located on the site of 1409 Grand Avenue, Kansas City, Missouri.

The Longhorn Store and Tavern was a fairly new structure, and was built in 1856. Awaiting transport, The Longhorn Store and Tavern had been converted into a make shift jail house for women.

On August 13, 1863 the 7 year old building suddenly collapsed.

Four women were killed including 14 year old Josephine Anderson, sister of William T. Anderson. Bill’s other sister, Mary Anderson was badly injured (both legs broken).

Also arrested and incarcerated during the collapse were Charity Kerr, sister of John McCorkle (killed), Mrs. Nannie McCorkle, sister-in-law of John McCorkle (uninjured), Susan Vandever, cousin of Cole Younger (killed), Armenia Whitsett Selvey, cousin of Cole Younger (killed).

Here is where the criminal event takes place…

The inner structures and supports of the building were actually weakened by Federal troops so as to make it collapse. Many of the guards had been drinking and celebrating after the collapse, and were overheard bragging and boasting as to the sabotage!!!! “19

Once again, Paul Peterson’s “Quantrill of Missouri” provides an intricately detailed account of this deliberate sabotage. He describes the scene and the building that the Missouri Partisan’s female relatives were being held as follows:

“The unusual construction of the building was that it was actually two separate buildings that shared a common wall as well as floor joists that ran the width of the buildings, almost fifty feet, and rested on the outside walls of both buildings…The soldiers garrisoned in the adjoining guardhouse had examined the building and realized that it could easily be destroyed. A few days prior to August 13, they began to weaken the structure of the Cockrell Building, which they occupied. The soldiers premeditated their designs, known that if they weakened the structural integrity of their own building, it would cause the instability in the adjoining building being used as the female prison.

They began by removing the center posts on the main floor of the guard-house. This left no support for the roof and the floor joists of their own building, thus creating a lever action and causing the adjoining female prison to collapse on top of their own building.

The soldiers gained access to the basement of the Thomas Building and removed the brick pillars that held up the floor joists of the first floor….Not wanting to injure one of their own men, the assassins next door waited until the lone guard left the prison to fetch the water {that they had sent him to get} when they made the final stroke against the supporting column. With the supporting posts and columns in the Cockrell Building finally cut down and removed, the building began to sink. The structure began to fall as the guard was returning. Once the pressure from above started to drive the top stories into the cellar, the supports in the outside walls and, following a lever action, collapsed on top of the guardhouse. “20

This alone would be enough to make one thirst for revenge, but upon examination of further details, it makes one wonder why the Missouri Partisans spared Lawrence, Kansas as long as they did. The “prisoners” included, Charity McCorkle Kerr, Mollie Grinstaff , Martha Anderson , (who at the ripe old age of ten had angered her Union captors , who in turn, had attached a 12 pound ball and chain to her ankle), Molly Anderson , Nannie Harris McCorkle, Susan Crawford Vandever, Armina Crawford Selvey, and Josephine Anderson.

Peterson writes that after the collapse:

“All but five of the eleven women imprisoned here escaped death. Four were killed immediately…{ten-year-old} Martha Anderson, restricted by the ball-and-chain, tried desperately to make it to a window; she lived but here legs were horribly crushed”21

Missouri Partisan, John McCorkle, who rode with Quantrill would later recall:

“This foul murder was the direct cause of the famous raid on Lawrence, Kansas. We could stand no more. Imagine, if you can, my feelings. A loved sister foully murdered and the widow of a dead brother seriously hurt by a set of men whom the name assassins, murderers and cut-throats would be a compliment…The homes of our friends burned, our aged sires, who dared sympathize with us had either hung or shot in the presence of their families and all their furniture and provisions loaded in wagons and with our live stock taken to the state of Kansas. The beautiful country of Jackson county, Cass County and Johnson County were worse than desert, and on every hillside stood lone blackened chimneys, sad sentinels and monuments to the memory of our once happy homes. And these outrages had been done by Kansas troops, calling themselves soldiers, but a disgrace to the name soldier. And now our innocent and beautiful girls had been murdered in a most foul, brutal, savage and damnable manner. We were determined to have revenge, and so, Colonel Quantrill, and Captain Anderson planned a raid on Lawrence, Kansas, the home of the leaders, Jim Lane and Jennison.”

The reality is that the policies of the United States government ( with Lincoln’s blessing) towards Missourians made the Bushwhackers the men they were. They had no other choice. The truth is that Quantrill’s men, on their Lawrence, Ks raid on August 21, 1863 were far more sparing than their Union counterparts had been in Missouri.

[cartman]

And Mizzou has channeled that hate of Kansas into a 94-171 record against the Jayhawks in basketball. Congrats!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

For the KU/MU fans, watching this one brought back a lot of memories. A young Roy Williams. Norm Stewart's birthday. Some of the old Big 8 announcers. Hearnes Center filled far past fire code limits with people literally hanging from some areas of the building.

#1 KU at #4 Mizzou - 1990

[sterlingice]

I can see how two wrongs do indeed make a right. Thank you, slave stater, for showing us the way.

SI

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by molson

Syracuse reinstates Fab Melo, which is obviously huge for them. Without him, they got their first lost, needed a bad call to BE TIED AND HAVE THE BALL WITH 10 SECONDS LEFT BEFORE HEADING TO OVERTIME AGAINST West Virginia, and weren't very impressive in a win at Cincinnati. It's hard to believe there's only 8 games left on the schedule - now they're setup to try to make a run at a #1 seed.

Fixed.

[bhlloy]

I wonder how many bordering countries/states/tribes/areas/peoples haven't killed a shitload of each other in the last 500 years?

The fact that people actually get fired up over the Border War in terms of two colleges playing each other in amateur sports a hundred fifty years later seems pretty quaint to me, but what the hell do I know?

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I wonder how many bordering countries/states/tribes/areas/peoples haven't killed a shitload of each other in the last 500 years?

The fact that people actually get fired up over the Border War in terms of two colleges playing each other in amateur sports a hundred fifty years later seems pretty quaint to me, but what the hell do I know?

I still can't believe the Patriots enjoy playing in London so much, and that London will have them, after the whole Boston Massacre / Tea Party thing...

[DataKing]

Must we bring this shit up every year?? How about we just enjoy what should be a pair of competitive games (for once).

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Just announced that Devonta Pollard, #9 player overall in the class of 2012, will be visiting Mizzou this weekend for the College Gameday/MU-KU game. The below picture tells you all you need to know about this kid's abilities. He actually did touch the bag.



Devonta Pollard - Yahoo! Sports

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Big upset alert. Murray State down by 11 with 17 minutes left. Game on ESPNU.

[Scoobz0202]

Is ESPN.com down for anybody else? I want to go to their shitty site to watch the Murray St game but it won't load

edit: nm. finally loaded but the game isn't on their Watch Live thingy

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Woo.....Murray State went on a 17-2 run right after I posted. Now up by 4.

[MrBug708]

I hate watching games in Hec Ed

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I hate watching games in Hec Ed

Such a madhouse tonight!

Great win by the boys and we showed some real moxy coming back in the second half. We were being dominated in the front court all game and we found a way to get it done. Ross is such a stud. We still have a long way to go but I feel good about out PAC 12 title chances.

[MrBug708]

I wouldn't say it was moxy that won the game for you

[dawgfan]

Huskies really have the Bruins' number in Hec Ed.

Pretty shocking to me how mediocre UCLA has become under Howland - never would have predicted that after the back to back Final Fours.

[MrBug708]

Lack of a PG. We actually execute our offense well this year, we just are lacking in athletes and that translates to defense

[Chief Rum]

Wish it were that simple. It's definitely not just the lack of a PG. The athlete part of it is big, but there are a number of reasons UCLA is where it is, and that starts in the coach's box.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Almost game time........

" I’m not letting anybody in that gym, stadium, state, anything, stop me. It is what it is. They can say what they want. We’ve got to get this ‘W.’” - Thomas Robinson

[Mizzou B-ball fan]