Trump Indictment/Trial thread-2023

[Lathum]

Is there really a world where the SC gives a sitting president absolute immunity?

I just can't see it. Should be a 9-0 decision.

[Thomkal]

oh boy Marjorie Taylor Green just held a press conference with many of her other insurrectionists where she chided the media for calling them insurrectionists because they are all lying and should be ashamed...Jim jordan and the republican judiciary committee members put out a tweet saying that president trump did nothing wrong and the case against him is ridiculous

[Atocep]

Judge Cannon's ruling on protecting witnesses and documents should be grounds to have her removed from the case. Her ruling overturns and goes against how classified information is handled, which she has no say in.

Hopefully we get an emergency injunction and Smith's team uses it to get her removed.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Judge Cannon's ruling on protecting witnesses and documents should be grounds to have her removed from the case. Her ruling overturns and goes against how classified information is handled, which she has no say in.

Hopefully we get an emergency injunction and Smith's team uses it to get her removed.

Yeah sounds like the right time for her to be removed.

[Thomkal]

Sadly Conway is trending on twitter right now because Trump is giving a speech here at Coastal Carolina.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Here, they said that they would NOT stay the mandate for an en banc petition. But they still gave Trump until Monday to file with the Supreme Court for a stay, so they are not prejudicing him or trying to overstep the Supreme Court. They are just not going to let him add a two-week delay for no reason

In the filing to the Supreme Court for a stay, Trump's lawyers actually ask the SC the stay to include an en banc hearing. ie. they want to the Supreme court to enforce a stay and throw it back to the appeals court to further delay any trial.

[Thomkal]

Not getting a lot of coverage from what I can see but the false elector scheme in Michigan went on trial today, and there have been some interesting reporting there.

[Lathum]

Fox Host: We’re really tired of hearing about all these political and high profile extramarital affairs. Maybe just be faithful from now on. pic.twitter.com/54iBAbrb2B

— Acyn (@Acyn) February 15, 2024

[Thomkal]

fox getting prepared to not cover Stormy Daniels/Trump trial which is now starting in late march

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Not getting a lot of coverage from what I can see but the false elector scheme in Michigan went on trial today, and there have been some interesting reporting there.

What's happening with it? How strong does the case look?

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

What's happening with it? How strong does the case look?

Kinda hard for me to judge from a non-lawyer background. I think I was mistaken also that this was the trial, but part of the pre-trial process. The Detroit newspapers seem to be covering it:


Prosecutor describes elector plot as 'conspiracy' tied to Trump team

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Kinda hard for me to judge from a non-lawyer background. I think I was mistaken also that this was the trial, but part of the pre-trial process. The Detroit newspapers seem to be covering it:


Prosecutor describes elector plot as 'conspiracy' tied to Trump team

yes but what is your opinion as a twitter, facebook, and constant forum poster?

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

yes but what is your opinion as a twitter, facebook, and constant forum poster?

They seem to have evidence that there was a conspiracy to overturn the election results in Michigan. They flipped at least one of the false electors to testify to that.

[RainMaker]

Sounds like they are admitting to committing crimes but feigning ignorance of the law?

[albionmoonlight]

Supreme Court conferencing today. All of the filings on Trump's motion for a stay pending further proceedings in his immunity appeal have been submitted.

At this point, the Court could (1) grant the stay and expedite nothing (so no trial before election); (2) deny the stay (trial almost certain before election); (3) grant the stay, but consider the motion as a petition for cert, grant that and expedite hearing it (either holding that Trump is immune or holding that he is not and then letting the trial go and then probably have the trial before the election, but it would be close).

And they could do any of those as quickly as this afternoon or as late as . . . whenever they want

[albionmoonlight]

dola: Whatever they do, I hope they speak with one voice.

And I could also see a 9-0 Trump Stays on the Ballot decision out of Colorado at the same time as a short order denying the stay in the J6 case with no noted dissents.

[Lathum]

Does anyone really think they won’t get the five votes to stay so he can run out the clock? Garland really fucked this up.

[flere-imsaho]

As much as I'd like to see him in an orange suit, I just don't see how they (or any court) can say he can't qualify for the ballot if he hasn't actually been convicted of insurrection.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Does anyone really think they won’t get the five votes to stay so he can run out the clock? Garland really fucked this up.

Justices Thomas and Alito are MAGA. They would he happy to delay.

Justice Gorsuch is a judicial arsonist. He'd vote for delay based on some reason he came up with just to prove to himself that he was smarter than everyone else.

But I still think (I'm not sure, but I think) that Justices Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett might just want Trump to go away. And letting his criminal trial go forward ASAP is a way to (possibly) do that.

[GrantDawg]

I also lean that only Thomas and Alito wants an Executive branch that has power with no consequences. I don't think the other Justices are for completely cutting out the Judicial branch from the balance of power.

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[GrantDawg]

I have been listening to the Fanni Willis hearing the last two days, and the most disappointing thing I have heard is that she approached former Governor Roy Barnes to be the special prosecutor for the case and he turned it down. This all would have been quite entertaining if he had been willing to take the job. He turned it down because he had been at the end of white supremacist death threats before and he was not willing to go back to that.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I also lean that only Thomas and Alito wants an Executive branch that has power with no consequences. I don't think the other Justices are for completely cutting out the Judicial branch from the balance of power.

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I would hope the immunity decision would be 9-0 but I don't have faith. I can definitely see them voting for the stay to allow Trump to run out the clock.

[Mota]

As someone watching this from the outside, what is the play here? If Trump is officially the Republican nominee and he gets convicted of any of these things, doesn't that leave them without a contender?
Or does he have "immunity" if he becomes president again and then he can just wipe the slate of all these things?

[albionmoonlight]

Being convicted does not keep him off the ballot.

[Jas_lov]

There are polls that ask if Trump is convicted will you support him and a good 50% of indies and 25% of GOP say no. I just think they'll come up with some other way to rationalize it and it would still be close. Don't know how it would work if he wins. If he's President from house arrest in Maralago or if they make the VP defacto President.

[Thomkal]

judge in the Trump Org fraud case penalizes Trump about 355 million and he and Weisselberg can not operate a business in NY for 3 years, Trump's sons 2 years.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Don't know how it would work if he wins. If he's President from house arrest in Maralago or if they make the VP defacto President.

I asked Chat GPT to make a treatment for a movie about such a wacky scenario, as a comedy. The president is portrayed as the good-guy protagonist - I did another one to make the president the bad guy, but, it was a little too on the nose and kind of depressing.

Spoiler

Logline:
When a notorious troublemaker and former congressman, Ted Johnson, is elected as the President of the United States while under house arrest, chaos ensues as he tries to run the country from the comfort of his own home, with unexpected results.

Act 1:
We open with Ted Johnson, a charismatic but controversial former congressman, being placed under house arrest for a string of wild and outrageous antics. Despite his predicament, Ted refuses to let his spirit be dampened and decides to run for President as a way to stay relevant. To everyone's shock, he actually wins the election, much to the dismay of his handlers and the Secret Service.

Act 2:
Ted's house arrest becomes the Oval Office, much to the chagrin of his uptight Secret Service detail and the amusement of his quirky neighbors. With the help of his loyal but eccentric staff, including his tech-savvy teenage niece and a conspiracy theorist mailman, Ted attempts to govern the country from the confines of his home. Hilarious mishaps occur as Ted tries to navigate important diplomatic meetings via Zoom, accidentally tweets sensitive information, and hosts impromptu press conferences from his backyard.

As Ted's unconventional methods start to yield surprisingly positive results, he gains popularity among the American public, much to the frustration of his political rivals. Meanwhile, Ted's exasperated Secret Service agent tries desperately to keep him out of trouble and uphold the dignity of the presidency, all while dealing with Ted's antics and the nosy neighbors who keep trying to peek over the fence.

Act 3:
As Ted's term comes to a close, he faces one last challenge: a high-stakes international crisis that threatens to derail his presidency and plunge the world into chaos. With the help of his unlikely team and a newfound sense of responsibility, Ted rises to the occasion and saves the day in a series of hilariously improbable events. In the end, Ted learns that being a leader isn't about where you are, but what you do, and he leaves office with the respect and admiration of the nation.

In a heartwarming finale, Ted removes his ankle monitor and bids farewell to his house arrest, ready to embrace whatever adventures lie ahead. As he steps out into the world, he knows that no matter where life takes him, he'll always be remembered as the president who served his country from home.

End of treatment.

[Kodos]

I wonder if Trump is tired of all this winning yet?

[CrimsonFox]

you hate to see it

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I have been listening to the Fanni Willis hearing the last two days, and the most disappointing thing I have heard is that she approached former Governor Roy Barnes to be the special prosecutor for the case and he turned it down. This all would have been quite entertaining if he had been willing to take the job. He turned it down because he had been at the end of white supremacist death threats before and he was not willing to go back to that.

Things took a bad turn for Willis at the end of the hearing. Wade's law partner who had been shielded from testifying to information about the Willis/Wade relationship prior to his hiring as special prosecutor because of attorney-client privilege made a false claim of privilege in the hearing. Sent the whole hearing into a tail-spin. Now he is going to have to testify in chambers to the judge, and if he feels that his testimony is not privileged it is likely to open a whole can of worms.

[JPhillips]

Damn, this is going to cost the Saudis some real money.

[SirFozzie]

With interest (5% for each year after the fraudulent valuations), and the defamation award, I think he needs to put up $500 MILLION to appeal, and he can't do any relationship with a bank chartered or registered in New York State. Which is pretty much like, all of them?

(Million not billion, I went from a Half-Billion to 500 Million and forgot to change the letter in front)

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Damn, this is going to cost the Saudis some real money.

Or the RNC.

[CrimsonFox]

Ma and pa redneck will pay for it tho

[molson]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Ma and pa redneck will pay for it tho

That's a lot of digital trading cards.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I have been listening to the Fanni Willis hearing the last two days, and the most disappointing thing I have heard is that she approached former Governor Roy Barnes to be the special prosecutor for the case and he turned it down.

That loathsome son of a motherless whore and that bitch are the most apt tandem ever. Hellspawn and hellspawn.

My #1 goal in life remains to live long enough to piss on that bastards grave.

[GrantDawg]

Somehow I knew that would be your reaction, Jon.

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[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by molson

That's a lot of digital trading cards.

ma and pa redneck don't know nuthin 'bout no newfangled online whatchacallit...

[CrimsonFox]

why didn't they just object to all this shit since it has nothing to do with trump?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Somehow I knew that would be your reaction, Jon.

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My immense hatred for Barnes is not news to anyone. There really isn't anyone on the planet I despise more.

[Flasch186]

This isn’t true


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[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Damn, this is going to cost the Saudis some real money.

His $400 shoes have.got this.

[Thomkal]

Peter Navarro looking to go to jail even earlier than expected:


Judge threatens ex-Trump aide Peter Navarro with contempt in records fight - POLITICO

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Atocep

His $400 shoes have.got this.

You missed a couple zeros. I can see a rich guy buying it to ingratiate himself with Trump in anticipation of his win. Cheaper than a lunch with Warren Buffet.

Trump’s $399 sneakers are already being listed for up to $45,000 on eBay, but can they hold their value?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Edward64

You missed a couple zeros. I can see a rich guy buying it to ingratiate himself with Trump in anticipation of his win. Cheaper than a lunch with Warren Buffet.

Everything trump releases crashes in value within 6 months. His supporters eat this shit up and then no one else wants to buy it and it ends up not being worth anything.

These shoes won't be any different.

[Kodos]

But I sold my kidney to buy all of Trump's NFTs!

[flere-imsaho]

I'm kind of surprised that Truth Social still exists. I would have thought they would have missed a key infrastructure-related invoice by now.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I'm kind of surprised that Truth Social still exists. I would have thought they would have missed a key infrastructure-related invoice by now.

They're getting loans from a Russian bank tied to Putin. They can probably operate at a loss for a long time considering foreign investment in the company is likely not about turning a profit.

[JPhillips]

lol

He stole the documents because he thought he'd get paid to return them.

Hannity: “I can’t imagine you ever saying, ‘Bring me some boxes we brought back from the White House. I’d like to look at them.’”

Trump: “I would do that..I have the right to take stuff! You know they ended up paying Nixon $18 million for what he had.”
pic.twitter.com/tyY7YFnUym

— The Intellectualist (@highbrow_nobrow) February 26, 2024

[CrimsonFox]

What? lol