Global Warming is Bullsh!t!

[ISiddiqui]

How the fuck can anyone honestly argue against Global Climate Change? I don't know.... stupidity?

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

"I know for fact that God exists, because yesterday morning I was in a rush, and I got all green lights on the way to work!"

I bet God gets tired of all the micromanaging after a while.

[cartman]

Here's part of the reason. Here's a quote from Sen. Jim Inhofe:

"“I was actually on your side of this issue when I was chairing that committee and I first heard about this. I thought it must be true until I found out what it cost.”"

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

We're all going to die......again!

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

We're all going to die......again!

Hush, you. Your distrust of science and mathematics is already well-documented. No need to continue to press the point home. Obama versus McCain (versus the rest) - Page 148 - Front Office Football Central

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

Mizzou "Dean Chambers" B-ball fan

[JediKooter]

Where's Art Bell when you need him to explain things?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Hush, you. Your distrust of science and mathematics is already well-documented. No need to continue to press the point home. Obama versus McCain (versus the rest) - Page 148 - Front Office Football Central

I bumped that thread back up with a great MBBF quote from it.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I bumped that thread back up with a great MBBF quote from it.

I just don't want to die.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

The funny thing is that most of Europe has had a very tame winter. So our cold isn't very representative of the winter the world over.

In the Netherlands we had no winter at all.

[Alan T]

The western part of North America also had a very mild winter, the scenes from the iditarod sled dog race in Alaska where they at times were riding through tundra with no snow were quite telling.

[JPhillips]

According to my data global warming is bullshit until Friday, when it will become real.

[thesloppy]

I detest the global warming argument. It seems telling to me that folks on both sides will angrily froth and pound the table about what various hypothetical folks should be doing, yet personal responsibility rarely even enters the discussion.

[cartman]

I used to believe that a massive asteroid impact would hit the Earth, until I saw how much it would cost to try and divert it.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs3

Mizzou "Echo Chambers" B-ball fan

FTFY

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Haven't heard this spin before. Certainly a new reason why we're all going to die.

UN science report: Warming worsens security woes - Yahoo News

[flere-imsaho]

Also from the article:

The U.S. Defense Department earlier this month in its once-every-four-years strategic review, called climate change a "threat multiplier" to go with poverty, political instability and social tensions worldwide. Warming will trigger new problems but also provide countries new opportunities for resources and shipping routes in places such as the melting Arctic, the Pentagon report says.

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Haven't heard this spin before.

O RLY? From 2004:

Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us | Environment | The Observer

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Also from the article:

O RLY? From 2004:

Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us | Environment | The Observer

Well, the Pentagon has an easy fix for that.

The effect of Nuclear War on Climate Change | Weather Underground

[Qwikshot]

IPCC 2014: U.N. climate change report warns of dire consequences.

Global climate treaty: U.N.’s Christiana Figueres says we’ll have an agreement in Paris in 2015.

[DaddyTorgo]

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Liberal propaganda designed to steal the SUV's from God-fearing Americans!

[mauchow]

Animals are fleeing Yellowstone apparently.

What concerns people more? Super volcano or climate change?

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by mauchow

Animals are fleeing Yellowstone apparently.

What concerns people more? Super volcano or climate change?

Maybe the Mayans were off by a couple of years.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by mauchow

What concerns people more? Super volcano or climate change?

I would think both would concern us to a major degree.

[JediKooter]

I think a strong case could be made for Justin Bieber.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The western part of North America also had a very mild winter, the scenes from the iditarod sled dog race in Alaska where they at times were riding through tundra with no snow were quite telling.

I'm not quite so sure about that...

March weather will be colder than usual, forecasters say - Canada - CBC News

Wicked cold again slams Edmonton | Edmonton | News | Edmonton Sun

December, February, and March have been brutally cold while January was warmer than normal...overall, it's been a colder winter than normal out here.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

I'm not quite so sure about that...

March weather will be colder than usual, forecasters say - Canada - CBC News

Wicked cold again slams Edmonton | Edmonton | News | Edmonton Sun

December, February, and March have been brutally cold while January was warmer than normal...overall, it's been a colder winter than normal out here.

your article actually backs up what I said

From Saskatchewan eastward — including Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec and most of the Maritime provinces — temperatures are expected to be colder than usual for this time of year. Temperatures in British Columbia and northern Canada are expected to be milder than normal, while Alberta is set to remain seasonal.

The western part of North America was above average temps all winter long. in the U.S, California had a bad drought and warmer temperatures than normal. For much of the winter, Alaska was warmer than most of the Southeastern USA. In Canada, British Columbia was also warmer than normal.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Alan T

For much of the winter, Alaska was warmer than most of the Southeastern USA. In Canada, British Columbia was also warmer than normal.

This stuff frustrates me, just like the people who claim Boston has the same climate DC did 30 years ago. If there's significant warming going on, you don't need to do this.

For grins, I compared Anchorage (a southern coastal Alaska city) to Atlanta (center of the southeast, and much colder than usual this year) for the past winter. I used high temperatures.

Which was warmer?
March: Atlanta 31, Anchorage 0
February: Atlanta 25, Anchorage 2, Tie 1
January: Atlanta 26, Anchorage 5
December: Atlanta 31, Anchorage 0

Total: Atlanta 113, Anchorage 7, Tie 1

It looks like Anchorage had a warm couple of weeks in mid-late January. Otherwise, a fairly normal Alaska winter. Using Fairbanks would make this even more extreme.

But, yes, the Pacific Northwest in general will stay warmer than you'd expect during the winter. By the time you get as far south as Seattle, you're down to six inches of snow per year on average - but when you move inland, especially into the mountains, you get a more familiar winter.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Alan T

your article actually backs up what I said

Keep reading...

This winter was also the coldest for Winnipeg in 35 years, and is the second-coldest stretch of frigid temperatures on record in 75 years.

Even Vancouver, known for its relatively balmy weather, is experiencing one of its coldest and snowiest Februarys in 25 years.

[Alan T]

Here is one map of this winter's temperatures versus "normal" from a global aspect. As expected most of the East Coast was far colder than normal. Most of the west coast was warmer than normal.

Edit: this picture is pretty large. Spoilering it so it does not blow up people's browsers that don't care about it

Spoiler

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

This stuff frustrates me, just like the people who claim Boston has the same climate DC did 30 years ago. If there's significant warming going on, you don't need to do this.

For grins, I compared Anchorage (a southern coastal Alaska city) to Atlanta (center of the southeast, and much colder than usual this year) for the past winter. I used high temperatures.

Which was warmer?
March: Atlanta 31, Anchorage 0
February: Atlanta 25, Anchorage 2, Tie 1
January: Atlanta 26, Anchorage 5
December: Atlanta 31, Anchorage 0

Total: Atlanta 113, Anchorage 7, Tie 1

It looks like Anchorage had a warm couple of weeks in mid-late January. Otherwise, a fairly normal Alaska winter. Using Fairbanks would make this even more extreme.

But, yes, the Pacific Northwest in general will stay warmer than you'd expect during the winter. By the time you get as far south as Seattle, you're down to six inches of snow per year on average - but when you move inland, especially into the mountains, you get a more familiar winter.

I wasn't saying anything from a global warming aspect. It is one of those topics in public I generally avoid such as religion and politics since most people I find are very set in their ways on those topics. I merely have been posting in here regarding the posts about this winter was all as I have found this winter very fascinating from how different it was from other winters I have experienced.

You're right I was probably a little cavalier in my stating much of alaska was warmer than the Southeast U.S. Alaska did have a much warmer winter than normal though, but it is so large from a land mass scale that the temperature in the northern part of the state is quite different than the southern part.

Comparisons for Juneau could probably be made with the Southeast U.S though, but just from looking I found reports showing that Anchorage had a warmer January than Philadelphia and New York City. however once again, this was posted more just for the fun of how crazy a winter it has been than anything else.

[flere-imsaho]

Weather does not equal climate, people.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Weather does not equal climate, people.

+1000000

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Weather does not equal climate, people.

That's really tough for people to get though. I know some otherwise very smart people who legitimately cannot grasp this fact.

Hey guess what - global warming makes ice melt which increases the amount of moisture in the atmospheric system, which affects the weather patterns in a lot of different ways.

I dunno why this is hard to grasp.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Here is one map of this winter's temperatures versus "normal" from a global aspect. As expected most of the East Coast was far colder than normal. Most of the west coast was warmer than normal.

Edit: this picture is pretty large. Spoilering it so it does not blow up people's browsers that don't care about it

Spoiler

But "winter" is not 2 months long.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

But "winter" is not 2 months long.

Winter also "officially" started on December 21st. What's your fucking point?

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Winter also "officially" started on December 21st. What's your fucking point?

Apologies, didn't mean to offend anybody.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Apologies, didn't mean to offend anybody.

I drop the f-bomb regularly, so it doesn't mean I was offended. However, I still don't understand what point you were trying to make.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

I drop the f-bomb regularly, so it doesn't mean I was offended. However, I still don't understand what point you were trying to make.

Alan suggested that western NA had a warmer winter but a warmer than normal January is not a warmer winter. While January was one of the warmest in a long time, February and March were among the coldest in a long time.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Alan suggested that western NA had a warmer winter but a warmer than normal January is not a warmer winter. While January was one of the warmest in a long time, February and March were among the coldest in a long time.

Yes, it was. And it was very warm elsewhere.

This month marked the 29th consecutive February and 348th consecutive month (29 years) with a global temperature above the 20th century average. The last below-average global temperature for February and for any month was February 1985.

March data isn't in yet.

[Chief Rum]

I find it interesting that other potential "world busting" issues like rapidly depleting natural resources and over-population aren't nearly as politicized, divisive or even talked about as global warming. What makes this issue so special?

We don't have threads for these issues or others like those.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

What makes this issue so special?

It's probably because no one denies that these are huge problems.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs3

It's probably because no one denies that these are huge problems.

That makes sense.

Plus, we can always cure overpopulation by carpet-bombing India (runs out of thread).

[Kodos]

Don't forget China!

[Kodos]

I think much of the resistance comes from corporations who don't want to have to change their ways - especially if those changes cost them money.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Kodos

I think much of the resistance comes from corporations who don't want to have to change their ways - especially if those changes cost them money.

This.

Big energy...big money.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Don't forget China!

I was just in China for my grad school project (two more classes then graduation). It's an amazing and scary place due to the fact they build for the sake of building, planning is lacking. Beijing air pollution is for real.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I find it interesting that other potential "world busting" issues like rapidly depleting natural resources and over-population aren't nearly as politicized, divisive or even talked about as global warming. What makes this issue so special?

We don't have threads for these issues or others like those.

Couple other good points made in the thread already, but I also think it's such a massive polarization. For the vast majority of global warming studies/news/discussions, it's one of two things:

1 - Catastrophic global warming is happening, and we're all gonna die.
2 - It's all a lie.

There's no middle ground. If you don't accept 1, you are branded as believing 2, and vice versa.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Couple other good points made in the thread already, but I also think it's such a massive polarization. For the vast majority of global warming studies/news/discussions, it's one of two things:

1 - Catastrophic global warming is happening, and we're all gonna die.
2 - It's all a lie.

There's no middle ground. If you don't accept 1, you are branded as believing 2, and vice versa.

If it's going to be bad, it'll likely be bad after I'm dead.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Couple other good points made in the thread already, but I also think it's such a massive polarization. For the vast majority of global warming studies/news/discussions, it's one of two things:

1 - Catastrophic global warming is happening, and we're all gonna die.
2 - It's all a lie.

There's no middle ground. If you don't accept 1, you are branded as believing 2, and vice versa.

The world we live in now. (especially in the US) You either agree with me 100% or your are an idiot. There is no middle ground in anything anymore. Those days are long gone. I wish they'd come back, but I doubt they will.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by TroyF

The world we live in now. (especially in the US) You either agree with me 100% or your are an idiot. There is no middle ground in anything anymore. Those days are long gone. I wish they'd come back, but I doubt they will.

Now, where's my cane....