NFL 2018 Season Thread - Page 19

Thomkal · 12-09-2018, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

What in the [big] blue blazes transpired in Washington? I go to the store partway into the second and it's 7-0. It is 34-0 at the half??!

It's so bad Josh Johnson is in now at QB, and scores. He's clearly the answer.

Eaglesfan27 · 12-09-2018, 04:09 PM

WOW! What an ending to the NE-Miami game!

Butter · 12-09-2018, 04:16 PM

The one time Belichick doesn't go for the jugular. Settles for a FG and lose by 1 on the miracle TD

Thomkal · 12-09-2018, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

WOW! What an ending to the NE-Miami game!

I swear every team should be looking for a drug to give NE before every game that makes them think they are in Miami, because crazy stuff just happens to them there nearly every time. No way Miami should have won that game.

Logan · 12-09-2018, 04:24 PM

Putting Gronk out there like a hail mary was actually an option from that distance might have been worse than the Butler SB benching.

Atocep · 12-09-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Putting Gronk out there like a hail mary was actually an option from that distance might have been worse than the Butler SB benching.

Yeah, just caught it. Gronk ended up being the last guy with a shot and showed he had no business on defense.

No idea why he would be on the field in that situation.

Ksyrup · 12-09-2018, 04:35 PM

I was following the end of the game on my phone and didn't understand why they were playing for 3 there. Try to score the TD.

thesloppy · 12-09-2018, 04:57 PM

Good Lord, this DET/ARI game is horrible. Surprise?

Ksyrup · 12-09-2018, 05:00 PM

Funny that Gronk was the last line of defense on a 69 yard TD.

NobodyHere · 12-09-2018, 05:19 PM

You had one job today New England.

Thomkal · 12-09-2018, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy

Good Lord, this DET/ARI game is horrible. Surprise?

Cards never lose to Detroit,,,sound familiar Green Bay?

SirFozzie · 12-09-2018, 05:23 PM

My reaction to that last Dolphins-Pats play.

Anchorman- I'm not even mad, that's amazing - YouTube

Ksyrup · 12-09-2018, 05:34 PM

Longest play from scrimmage to win a game with no time left since the merger in 1970.

Ksyrup · 12-09-2018, 05:38 PM

Please just fire Vance Joseph. What an embarrassment. I knew winning the last 3 weeks was only going to result in a worse draft pick than Denver should get.

bronconick · 12-09-2018, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy

Good Lord, this DET/ARI game is horrible. Surprise?

The official title of this Detroit-Arizona game is “Lions-Cardinals: An Exercise in Coaching Hire Regret.”

BishopMVP · 12-09-2018, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Yeah, just caught it. Gronk ended up being the last guy with a shot and showed he had no business on defense.

No idea why he would be on the field in that situation.

Patriots always have 1 offensive player (usually Gronk, when he was hurt it was Josh Gordon) who's the designated jumper to knock down hail mary's, with all the defensive players coached to stay on the ground... But like Logan said a hail mary probably wasn't a realistic option there with Tannehill at QB. As much as you can blame him/the coaches on it, the multiple DB's who missed tackles also deserve blame :/

Oh well. Pretty brutal 5 minute stretch there from "hey, we might be in the driver's seat for the 1 seed & home field!" to basically zero chance, but it's still just a regular season game. Just going to have to win in Arrowhead unless the Chiefs lose the divisional game, but they certainly look less scary without Kareem Hunt (and they still have Andy Reid coaching them.)

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Funny that Gronk was the last line of defense on a 69 yard TD.

Shit, maybe he intentionally stumbled

Ksyrup · 12-09-2018, 07:17 PM

That was an absolutely brutal PI call on the Eagles, followed by an absolutely brutal PF call on Dallas. Glad the refs are making themselves known!

Jas_lov · 12-09-2018, 07:19 PM

The refs just have no clue what they're doing and nobody knows what the rules are. Joe Philbin challenged two "catches" in the first two minutes of the Packers-Falcons game and lost both. Neither one was a catch.

JPhillips · 12-09-2018, 07:23 PM

Let's just play fourth quarters from now on.

Eaglesfan27 · 12-09-2018, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That was an absolutely brutal PI call on the Eagles, followed by an absolutely brutal PF call on Dallas. Glad the refs are making themselves known!

Both were horrible calls.

bhlloy · 12-09-2018, 07:31 PM

Flags, flags and more flags. The NFL has taken what would have been a really good game in Dallas and turned it into an absolute fucking farce.

Ksyrup · 12-09-2018, 07:37 PM

Mike Pereira sounds embarrassed every time they throw it to him for his take on another bad call.

Thomkal · 12-09-2018, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

The official title of this Detroit-Arizona game is “Lions-Cardinals: An Exercise in Coaching Hire Regret.”

LOL

Galaril · 12-09-2018, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Please just fire Vance Joseph. What an embarrassment. I knew winning the last 3 weeks was only going to result in a worse draft pick than Denver should get.

+1 .... I know it won't happen but they need to dump Elway as well as Musgrave, Woods and Joseph at the end of the season in that order! The locals here wanting to blame Keenum and he is not the problem.

RainMaker · 12-10-2018, 01:38 AM

Thank you Raiders for Khalil Mack.

BishopMVP · 12-10-2018, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

The refs just have no clue what they're doing and nobody knows what the rules are. Joe Philbin challenged two "catches" in the first two minutes of the Packers-Falcons game and lost both. Neither one was a catch.

The refs can be dumb, and were pretty terrible in the 4th quarter of Philly/Dallas, plus Green Bay won going away, but Joe Philbin challenging and losing both challenges in the first 1:23 shouldn't be ignored. Can't blame the refs for his idiocy.

Kodos · 12-10-2018, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

WOW! What an ending to the NE-Miami game!

Wow indeed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-zP1_HvhzM

Logan · 12-10-2018, 09:05 AM

Back to the NE-MIA ending...forget about NE playing too conservatively on that last drive for a minute, but I'm wondering about the strategy to kick the FG there. Obviously doing so to put you up 5 is good in that now you're requiring more than a FG to beat you, but how much worth does that really have if the likelihood of your opponent even getting a FG try is pretty low?

4th and goal from the 4 with Brady and Gronk has to have a fairly good probability of a TD which wins you the game. If you fail, let's assume the same amount of time comes off the clock as the chip shot FG. You're then leaving Miami at its own 4 yard line (or maybe a bit worse) needing to get all the way to your own 40 or so yard line, in less than 16 seconds, with no timeouts, while also getting the 55+ yard FG off. And it's a rookie kicker with a career long of 50.

Ksyrup · 12-10-2018, 09:19 AM

1st and goal from the 7. Obviously you're taking a risk putting the ball in the air, but they could have run a couple of WR screen passes or dump offs to the RBs that could have scored and still run clock.

I would have tried to score before 4th down and then given serious consideration to throwing for it on 4th. If Brady gets enough protection and sits in there, the chances that someone in the Dolphins secondary gets flagged for holding are probably pretty high. Has anyone not watched the NFL this year? Bail-out defensive penalties seem like 10-20% of all 3rd down conversions.

Logan · 12-10-2018, 09:43 AM

Good points. I think now that we're seeing teams go for it on 4th down more, the next change will be teams going for it on longer distances and using the passing game more. Would 4th and 6 from the 50 really be significantly harder for the Saints offense to pick up than 4th and 3? I don't know the numbers, and sample size would probably be an issue in getting a good sense of the likelihood of conversion, but my guess is the difference in the true odds of success across those scenarios are nowhere near the difference in how frequently offenses would try it.

Butter · 12-10-2018, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Wow indeed!

Dolphins Hook And Lateral Against The Patriots - YouTube

Not enough sad New England shots

Ksyrup · 12-10-2018, 09:58 AM

I just think with all of the rules favoring offense, the equation on 4th downs (and end of game strategy in general) needs to be re-thought. Pittsburgh should have tied Oakland in a similar situation yesterday, too. All you need is a DPI (a rule I'd like to see changed to the college rule) or a couple of defensive holding calls to keep a game going and get you into FG or end zone shot range.

JeeberD · 12-10-2018, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Thank you Raiders for Khalil Mack.

And for Amari Cooper.

stevew · 12-10-2018, 11:22 AM

I'm not saying justin Tucker could punt great, but I'm sure he could maybe be like the 20-50th best punter in the league. Eventually some coach will just decide that wasting 1 spot on a guy who should have very limited usage isn't worth it and teams will all laugh 15 years later when nobody has a punter.

Ksyrup · 12-10-2018, 12:01 PM

If kickers practiced at it, some of them surely could be effective enough to make that cost/benefit analysis worth doing.

Ksyrup · 12-10-2018, 12:34 PM

Listening to Kenyon Drake on LeBatard.

"Can you pinpoint the moment you knew you were going to score?"

"Yeah, literally when I saw him (Gronk)."

HA!

Ajaxab · 12-10-2018, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I'm not saying justin Tucker could punt great, but I'm sure he could maybe be like the 20-50th best punter in the league. Eventually some coach will just decide that wasting 1 spot on a guy who should have very limited usage isn't worth it and teams will all laugh 15 years later when nobody has a punter.

Yes, CFL teams have been doing this for decades. The idea makes a lot of sense.

molson · 12-10-2018, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Patriots always have 1 offensive player (usually Gronk, when he was hurt it was Josh Gordon) who's the designated jumper to knock down hail mary's, with all the defensive players coached to stay on the ground... But like Logan said a hail mary probably wasn't a realistic option there with Tannehill at QB. As much as you can blame him/the coaches on it, the multiple DB's who missed tackles also deserve blame :/

Oh well. Pretty brutal 5 minute stretch there from "hey, we might be in the driver's seat for the 1 seed & home field!" to basically zero chance, but it's still just a regular season game. Just going to have to win in Arrowhead unless the Chiefs lose the divisional game, but they certainly look less scary without Kareem Hunt (and they still have Andy Reid coaching them.)

Shit, maybe he intentionally stumbled

Such a fascinating play, can't wait to watch the All-22. (Like you, I was more morbidly fascinated than upset by the loss).

Seems like everything started with the delayed first lateral, where the first Dolphin took a few steps forward before throwing it back. That seemed to paralyze the Patriots' defenders just long enough to where they weren't going to be in position and couldn't catch back up with the Dolphins setting things up downfield. The Dolphins never stopped moving and too many Patriots stopped and had to restart.

Belichick claimed that Gronk wasn't in there for a hail marry, but if they did the play where the ball goes 30-40 yards downfield first before the laterals start. I don't understand why an actual defensive player wouldn't be a better fit on a play like that, but, what do I know. Gronk would only be (marginally) useful if he happened to be right at where the first pass came down - which seems really unlikely when the Dolphins had the whole field to work with. And if the Dolphins used ANY of the rest of the field, Gronk would be a huge liability (which obviously was the case).

albionmoonlight · 12-10-2018, 01:21 PM

I also think that Gronk of five years ago makes that play. He's not the physical freak he once was.

albionmoonlight · 12-10-2018, 01:22 PM

dola: Just thinking about it, what you really want in that situation is probably your best special teams guys. Guys who are used to pursuing and tackling in the open field.

Logan · 12-10-2018, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Such a fascinating play, can't wait to watch the All-22. (Like you, I was more morbidly fascinated than upset by the loss).

Seems like everything started with the delayed first lateral, where the first Dolphin took a few steps forward before throwing it back. That seemed to paralyze the Patriots' defenders just long enough to where they weren't going to be in position and couldn't catch back up with the Dolphins setting things up downfield. The Dolphins never stopped moving and too many Patriots stopped and had to restart.

There seemed to be a point when Drake had the ball where you can see at least a few of the defenders move a bit forward in trying to anticipate/guard against the next lateral and all that did was leave the enormous seam for him to run through.

Ksyrup · 12-10-2018, 03:12 PM

Yeah, Stephon Gilmore stays back guarding against a pitch, it looks like. Once he moved back, that opened the lane. The OL who ran 60 yards down field and got the trap block was probably the biggest key to the whole thing.

AlexB · 12-10-2018, 03:13 PM

You sense the Pats announcers are desperately trying to speak without swearing for the majority of this!

Patriots Radio Announcers React to Stunning Loss vs. Dolphins | NFL Highlights - YouTube

AlexB · 12-10-2018, 03:13 PM

Dola

Sports!

Ksyrup · 12-10-2018, 03:13 PM

I haven't read (or even heard from or about) Bill Simmons in years, but apparently he crapped all over himself yesterday trying to make that play all about the first time it was ever successful, etc., and he rightly got called out for not knowing anything about sports outside of Boston (or the NBA, I guess).

molson · 12-10-2018, 03:38 PM

Simmons is one of those entertainment entities who had a big following who just love to bash him. He's always been more entertainment and casual sports observation than detailed sports analysis, but, it's a formula that works and has made him really popular. His weekly guess the lines podcast with Jimmy Kimmell's cousin is the only sports podcast I regularly listen to. But ya, Simmons "fans" meltdown on him after every podcast, nothing new there.

Edit: And I did read somewhere that this was the first NFL game-ending multiple lateral TD play since 2003 or something (The Steelers had one called back in 2013). The 2003 one was when the Saints kicker missed the extra point afterwards, so you actually have to go back sometime before that to find one that WON a game. The Music City Miracle doesn't technically count because it was only one lateral....And browsing a reddit thread about this, I'm not sure there's EVER actually been a NFL game-ending, game-winning, multiple lateral play, or not one that people have come up with yet.

larrymcg421 · 12-10-2018, 03:45 PM

Yeah, I think Simmons meant game ending play. That's why he referenced Friday Night Lights, since Coach Taylor's teams won on the last play of the game so many times. The Miami-San Diego 1981 play was at the end of the half and the Boise play just sent it to overtime.

Ksyrup · 12-10-2018, 03:49 PM

Miami/Duke was just a couple of years ago, too.

larrymcg421 · 12-10-2018, 03:58 PM

Bill mentioned hook and ladder in his tweet. Miami-Duke, Cal-Stanford, Music City, etc. were not hook and ladders.

albionmoonlight · 12-10-2018, 05:49 PM

Simmons is smart/savvy enough to play the Boston-homer troll card just enough. It keeps a certain segment of fans engaged with him through argument.

12-09-2018, 04:09 PM	#902
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12-09-2018, 04:16 PM	#903
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12-09-2018, 04:35 PM	#907
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I was following the end of the game on my phone and didn't understand why they were playing for 3 there. Try to score the TD. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-09-2018, 04:57 PM	#908
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	Good Lord, this DET/ARI game is horrible. Surprise? __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

12-09-2018, 05:00 PM	#909
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Funny that Gronk was the last line of defense on a 69 yard TD. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-09-2018, 04:24 PM	#905
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Putting Gronk out there like a hail mary was actually an option from that distance might have been worse than the Butler SB benching.

12-09-2018, 05:19 PM	#910
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12-09-2018, 05:23 PM	#912
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	My reaction to that last Dolphins-Pats play. Anchorman- I'm not even mad, that's amazing - YouTube __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

12-09-2018, 05:34 PM	#913
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Longest play from scrimmage to win a game with no time left since the merger in 1970. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-09-2018, 05:38 PM	#914
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Please just fire Vance Joseph. What an embarrassment. I knew winning the last 3 weeks was only going to result in a worse draft pick than Denver should get. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-09-2018, 07:17 PM	#917
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	That was an absolutely brutal PI call on the Eagles, followed by an absolutely brutal PF call on Dallas. Glad the refs are making themselves known! __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-09-2018, 07:19 PM	#918
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	The refs just have no clue what they're doing and nobody knows what the rules are. Joe Philbin challenged two "catches" in the first two minutes of the Packers-Falcons game and lost both. Neither one was a catch.

12-09-2018, 07:23 PM	#919
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Let's just play fourth quarters from now on. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

12-09-2018, 07:31 PM	#921
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Flags, flags and more flags. The NFL has taken what would have been a really good game in Dallas and turned it into an absolute fucking farce.

12-09-2018, 07:37 PM	#922
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Mike Pereira sounds embarrassed every time they throw it to him for his take on another bad call. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-10-2018, 01:38 AM	#925
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Thank you Raiders for Khalil Mack.

12-10-2018, 09:05 AM	#928
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Back to the NE-MIA ending...forget about NE playing too conservatively on that last drive for a minute, but I'm wondering about the strategy to kick the FG there. Obviously doing so to put you up 5 is good in that now you're requiring more than a FG to beat you, but how much worth does that really have if the likelihood of your opponent even getting a FG try is pretty low? 4th and goal from the 4 with Brady and Gronk has to have a fairly good probability of a TD which wins you the game. If you fail, let's assume the same amount of time comes off the clock as the chip shot FG. You're then leaving Miami at its own 4 yard line (or maybe a bit worse) needing to get all the way to your own 40 or so yard line, in less than 16 seconds, with no timeouts, while also getting the 55+ yard FG off. And it's a rookie kicker with a career long of 50.

12-10-2018, 09:19 AM	#929
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	1st and goal from the 7. Obviously you're taking a risk putting the ball in the air, but they could have run a couple of WR screen passes or dump offs to the RBs that could have scored and still run clock. I would have tried to score before 4th down and then given serious consideration to throwing for it on 4th. If Brady gets enough protection and sits in there, the chances that someone in the Dolphins secondary gets flagged for holding are probably pretty high. Has anyone not watched the NFL this year? Bail-out defensive penalties seem like 10-20% of all 3rd down conversions. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-10-2018, 09:43 AM	#930
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Good points. I think now that we're seeing teams go for it on 4th down more, the next change will be teams going for it on longer distances and using the passing game more. Would 4th and 6 from the 50 really be significantly harder for the Saints offense to pick up than 4th and 3? I don't know the numbers, and sample size would probably be an issue in getting a good sense of the likelihood of conversion, but my guess is the difference in the true odds of success across those scenarios are nowhere near the difference in how frequently offenses would try it.

12-10-2018, 09:58 AM	#932
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I just think with all of the rules favoring offense, the equation on 4th downs (and end of game strategy in general) needs to be re-thought. Pittsburgh should have tied Oakland in a similar situation yesterday, too. All you need is a DPI (a rule I'd like to see changed to the college rule) or a couple of defensive holding calls to keep a game going and get you into FG or end zone shot range. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-10-2018, 11:22 AM	#934
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'm not saying justin Tucker could punt great, but I'm sure he could maybe be like the 20-50th best punter in the league. Eventually some coach will just decide that wasting 1 spot on a guy who should have very limited usage isn't worth it and teams will all laugh 15 years later when nobody has a punter.

12-10-2018, 12:01 PM	#935
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	If kickers practiced at it, some of them surely could be effective enough to make that cost/benefit analysis worth doing. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-10-2018, 12:34 PM	#936
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Listening to Kenyon Drake on LeBatard. "Can you pinpoint the moment you knew you were going to score?" "Yeah, literally when I saw him (Gronk)." HA! __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-10-2018, 01:21 PM	#939
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I also think that Gronk of five years ago makes that play. He's not the physical freak he once was.

12-10-2018, 01:22 PM	#940
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	dola: Just thinking about it, what you really want in that situation is probably your best special teams guys. Guys who are used to pursuing and tackling in the open field.

12-10-2018, 03:12 PM	#942
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Yeah, Stephon Gilmore stays back guarding against a pitch, it looks like. Once he moved back, that opened the lane. The OL who ran 60 yards down field and got the trap block was probably the biggest key to the whole thing. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-10-2018, 03:13 PM	#943
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	You sense the Pats announcers are desperately trying to speak without swearing for the majority of this! Patriots Radio Announcers React to Stunning Loss vs. Dolphins \| NFL Highlights - YouTube __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

12-10-2018, 03:13 PM	#944
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	Dola Sports! __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

12-10-2018, 03:13 PM	#945
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I haven't read (or even heard from or about) Bill Simmons in years, but apparently he crapped all over himself yesterday trying to make that play all about the first time it was ever successful, etc., and he rightly got called out for not knowing anything about sports outside of Boston (or the NBA, I guess). __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-10-2018, 03:38 PM	#946
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Simmons is one of those entertainment entities who had a big following who just love to bash him. He's always been more entertainment and casual sports observation than detailed sports analysis, but, it's a formula that works and has made him really popular. His weekly guess the lines podcast with Jimmy Kimmell's cousin is the only sports podcast I regularly listen to. But ya, Simmons "fans" meltdown on him after every podcast, nothing new there. Edit: And I did read somewhere that this was the first NFL game-ending multiple lateral TD play since 2003 or something (The Steelers had one called back in 2013). The 2003 one was when the Saints kicker missed the extra point afterwards, so you actually have to go back sometime before that to find one that WON a game. The Music City Miracle doesn't technically count because it was only one lateral....And browsing a reddit thread about this, I'm not sure there's EVER actually been a NFL game-ending, game-winning, multiple lateral play, or not one that people have come up with yet. Last edited by molson : 12-10-2018 at 03:47 PM.

12-10-2018, 03:45 PM	#947
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Yeah, I think Simmons meant game ending play. That's why he referenced Friday Night Lights, since Coach Taylor's teams won on the last play of the game so many times. The Miami-San Diego 1981 play was at the end of the half and the Boise play just sent it to overtime. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

12-10-2018, 03:49 PM	#948
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Miami/Duke was just a couple of years ago, too. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-10-2018, 03:58 PM	#949
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Bill mentioned hook and ladder in his tweet. Miami-Duke, Cal-Stanford, Music City, etc. were not hook and ladders. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

12-10-2018, 05:49 PM	#950
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Simmons is smart/savvy enough to play the Boston-homer troll card just enough. It keeps a certain segment of fans engaged with him through argument.

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